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Went to the Mall this weekend...
« on: March 30, 2015, 04:42:26 PM »
...for the first time in 4 years, I went to the Mall to meet a sister in law for dinner. Strollers everywhere, kids begging their parents for the latest iphone, salespeople offering free samples of crap, the one hour wait for a table at Cheesecake Factory, cars honking at each other in the parking lot, $15 movie tickets, .....

It was a hellish nightmare. 

What do you dislike about malls?

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2015, 04:45:26 PM »
I always get lost in malls :(

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2015, 04:48:38 PM »
They're dirty. Disorienting. Loud. Way too many people. Too many to avoid them getting into your personal space.

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2015, 04:53:50 PM »
Wait, the business media says people don't go to the mall anymore.

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2015, 05:40:09 PM »
God, malls... I live very close to the Mall of Americans ca.  Loud, all the stores look the same, people wandering around not looking where they're going, the smells of disgusting food...

And the Crocs.  Oh, my god, the Crocs.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2015, 05:43:46 PM »
Mostly the crowds, I have an aversion to crowded places, especially if it is loud. I think it is a se sort overload issue (at least in part).
Also, nothing there interests me much since I've never been much of a shopper, so no real fun things that outweigh the things I dislike.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2015, 07:06:16 PM »
I went to an outlet mall this weekend. I thought "outlet" would mean "discount" so hoped to find some summer clothes for my son. After an hour, I was bored, frustrated and empty handed. Outlet malls are not what I rember them being.

Now, we have an outdoor mall near my home. Punch me, I deserve it. I really enjoy going. i don't normally buy anything. But, its not overly crowded. Its pretty. In the summer, a stage is set up for local musicians. There is a playground for my son. Its a great place for a stroll and some good people watching.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2015, 07:11:56 PM »
Wait, the business media says people don't go to the mall anymore.

They're just spinning it.  The seventies-style closed mall has simply gone out of fashion and been replaced by outdoor malls.  These are often assembled out of existing "old town" type settings in the historical part of a city and preserve some or most of the original facades.  But if you walk up and down the street you'll realize it's the same stores with the same stuff in them. 

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2015, 07:20:32 PM »
not to mention the nauseating perfume from american eagle and abercrombie.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2015, 08:14:21 PM »
not to mention the nauseating perfume from american eagle and abercrombie.

Oh, and the overwhelming stench from the body shop, or those other lotion/soap/cream/loofah places. Or the scented candle shops, is Yankee candle even still in business.  More sensory overload!

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2015, 06:23:09 AM »
If you're going to a restaurant in the mall, why not just call ahead for a table? Then at least you'll have "served" part of your wait time as you drive to the mall...

I hate the dopey people walking three or four abreast, sloooooowly, blocking up the path or cutting off the people trying to get around them because they won't bother paying attention to their surroundings. IF I'm going to the mall, I have a shopping list and a plan for which stores to visit. Trudge along and drool if you want, but give me a path through, dammit! These people also do the same thing in the parking lot, not letting anyone get by to park or get out.

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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2015, 06:56:11 AM »
Lights. Music. Smells. Each store is different. Conflicting. Layers and layers of lights. Music. Smells. Then add people.

And choices.  I go every year or two for bras and shoes.  Then there are hundreds and thousands of options and I'm a cheapass. I used to try to look at all the clearance racks in the anchor stores, and the other smaller stores I liked...  Now I park as far from the entrance as possible so that I don't have to compete for parking.  Then I walk to the direct entrance of an anchor store and make do with whatever I find there. I may spend a little more per item but I save so much in time and stress. I am only close to malls on vacation. No clothing stores locally.  I've definitely made do with worn under garments instead of leaving the beach to shop. That really helped me see the value of my time.

If only it were easy to bra shop online. 

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2015, 07:02:32 AM »
If only it were easy to bra shop online.

SO TRUE!  That's the only reason to hit a mall, IMO.

This is all making me so happy to live in Maine.  We have only one real mall (two if you interpret the term broadly) in the entire state.  I don't even think it has an Abercrombie and Fitch.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2015, 07:03:50 AM »
If you're going to a restaurant in the mall, why not just call ahead for a table? Then at least you'll have "served" part of your wait time as you drive to the mall...

I hate the dopey people walking three or four abreast, sloooooowly, blocking up the path or cutting off the people trying to get around them because they won't bother paying attention to their surroundings. IF I'm going to the mall, I have a shopping list and a plan for which stores to visit. Trudge along and drool if you want, but give me a path through, dammit! These people also do the same thing in the parking lot, not letting anyone get by to park or get out.
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2015, 08:06:12 AM »
Some students of mine in class were texting girls and what not that typical teenagers do these days.  After getting them back on task they asked me how I met girls from other schools back in the day.  I replied the food court at the mall.  They were absolutely baffled.  I always had my mom order my clothes from the sears catalog so I never really understood the whole mall shopping phenom.  I would find a coupon buy an ice cream and sit with my friends all day at the food court and look at people.  We would of course attempt to talk to girls from other schools with little to no success.

I found an ice cream store coupon a couple of years ago and went to the mall on a Saturday.  I people watched for a good 4 hours.  American consumerism at its finest.  Paying $80 for a pair of jeans because they are regular priced $149.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2015, 08:14:03 AM »
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Agreed. Just because a life choice is different doesn't invalidate it. That's actually one of the problems I have with MMM. It's not enough that he is happy with his life choices, he has to put down the life choices of all others.

Personally, I like malls. They're a nice place to walk when it is 100 degrees outside.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2015, 08:25:12 AM »
I stopped by our Outlet Mall last Saturday.   It is an outdoor place so much of the distraction mentioned above is not there.  We love to go to the "As seen on TV"  store to browse.   Kids love it!   We don't buy anything. 

So last Saturday was the first sunny nice day and we stopped at bar for a couple of nasty crafty beers and sat on the deck enjoying the sun.  Other than the crap craft beer it was nice. 

Years ago after a divorce the Mall is where I would take my teen daughters to AE and A and F.  It was a bonding experience.   

We don't do this sort of thing often.    Sure, it is a mall.   I find it is best to manage your expectations. 

I don't think I've been to a real indoor mall in at least a year though. 


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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2015, 08:38:30 AM »
The mall is my refuge in the blistering hot Florida summer.   Huge indoor malls are still pretty popular around Orlando and they keep them near frigid all summer.  I bring a hoodie because it actaully feels nippy after coming out of my apartment that's kept at 80 all summer.  I tend to watch a movie at the cinema (hold the face punches, it's my only damn hobby), eat a little froyo, and let all the suburban consumerists pay the bills so I don't have to turn on my AC back home.  #bliss

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2015, 09:42:04 AM »

So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

I can think of an easy fix for those people who don't like the Antimustachian Wall of Shame and Comedy.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2015, 09:44:51 AM »
I live in MN, so I go to the 'Mall of America' occasionally. If you can go when it isn't prime time, it isn't too bad for exercise and there is usually something interesting going on. It isn't a terrible choice for a boring weekend afternoon.

Other malls simply bore me to death.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2015, 09:52:24 AM »
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Agreed. Just because a life choice is different doesn't invalidate it. That's actually one of the problems I have with MMM. It's not enough that he is happy with his life choices, he has to put down the life choices of all others.

Personally, I like malls. They're a nice place to walk when it is 100 degrees outside.

Oh, get over it. At the very core of MMM's magnetism is the over-the-top, somewhat foul-mouthed, condemnation of modern consumerism. I guaran-fucking-tee that he wouldn't be 1/10 as popular if all of his articles were "Well guys, I sure am happy that I don't buy so much stuff and look at all the money I saved so I could retire early. But we're all different and there are no wrong decisions so whatever you do is fine. Now let's hold hand for a chorus of Kumbaya."

Oh, and malls suck.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2015, 10:10:35 AM »
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Agreed. Just because a life choice is different doesn't invalidate it. That's actually one of the problems I have with MMM. It's not enough that he is happy with his life choices, he has to put down the life choices of all others.

Personally, I like malls. They're a nice place to walk when it is 100 degrees outside.

Exactly.  It's exactly like making fun of the homeless or welfare recipients.  Those people at the mall have no choice, it's completely out of their control.  Not only is it completely out of their control, but every purchase made at the mall should be off limits to criticism or judgement.

EDIT: Also, if those are your views, what are you even doing in this subforum?

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2015, 10:23:30 AM »
Oh, get over it. At the very core of MMM's magnetism is the over-the-top, somewhat foul-mouthed, condemnation of modern consumerism. I guaran-fucking-tee that he wouldn't be 1/10 as popular if all of his articles were "Well guys, I sure am happy that I don't buy so much stuff and look at all the money I saved so I could retire early. But we're all different and there are no wrong decisions so whatever you do is fine. Now let's hold hand for a chorus of Kumbaya."

Oh, and malls suck.

Just like high school. Putting down other people is a fast-track to popularity =D

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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 10:31:39 AM »
Exactly.  It's exactly like making fun of the homeless or welfare recipients.  Those people at the mall have no choice, it's completely out of their control.  Not only is it completely out of their control, but every purchase made at the mall should be off limits to criticism or judgement.

EDIT: Also, if those are your views, what are you even doing in this subforum?

To the question of what I'm doing here: I like personal finance and I don't find it necessary or healthy to have to surround myself with people I agree with 100% of the time.

To the rest: I agree with what the post I quoted said. I was born good at math and my brain apparently releases endorphins or something when I save money rather than spend it. Through almost no effort of my own, I'm already really good at personal finance. It is easier for me than it is for most people.

To use another example, there are fitness blogs that do the same thing. Make fun of and denigrate people who have a hard time with fitness. The thing is though, most people who write fitness blogs are also probably predisposed to like working out. I hate working out. I hate exercising. It feels like a chore every time I do it. So staying in shape is harder for me than it is for someone who writes a fitness blog just because of the way we are wired.

Finally, there is the matter of personal preference. I don't like cars, but I can see the objective reasons why my coworker's BMW is better than my Toyota, even if I don't care about those reasons. Similarly, I can see the reasons why an $80 pair of jeans are better than hand-me-downs even if I'm not buying the jeans.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2015, 10:34:08 AM »
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.


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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2015, 10:57:45 AM »
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Agreed. Just because a life choice is different doesn't invalidate it. That's actually one of the problems I have with MMM. It's not enough that he is happy with his life choices, he has to put down the life choices of all others.

Personally, I like malls. They're a nice place to walk when it is 100 degrees outside.

Exactly.  It's exactly like making fun of the homeless or welfare recipients.  Those people at the mall have no choice, it's completely out of their control.  Not only is it completely out of their control, but every purchase made at the mall should be off limits to criticism or judgement.

EDIT: Also, if those are your views, what are you even doing in this subforum?

So why do you choose to save money and not go to the mall while someone else decides to go to the mall and run up debt. Do'nt even try to answer because you have no idea and the reasons are multi fold, so count you blessings you are in category A not B,  that's it end of story - yo are no fucking hero just an accident of birth and circumstance.
We can continue to try and educate and open people to new ideas, some will change some will not, neither should be the target of ridicule

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2015, 11:08:40 AM »
Exactly.  It's exactly like making fun of the homeless or welfare recipients.  Those people at the mall have no choice, it's completely out of their control.  Not only is it completely out of their control, but every purchase made at the mall should be off limits to criticism or judgement.

EDIT: Also, if those are your views, what are you even doing in this subforum?

To the question of what I'm doing here: I like personal finance and I don't find it necessary or healthy to have to surround myself with people I agree with 100% of the time.

To the rest: I agree with what the post I quoted said. I was born good at math and my brain apparently releases endorphins or something when I save money rather than spend it. Through almost no effort of my own, I'm already really good at personal finance. It is easier for me than it is for most people.

To use another example, there are fitness blogs that do the same thing. Make fun of and denigrate people who have a hard time with fitness. The thing is though, most people who write fitness blogs are also probably predisposed to like working out. I hate working out. I hate exercising. It feels like a chore every time I do it. So staying in shape is harder for me than it is for someone who writes a fitness blog just because of the way we are wired.

Finally, there is the matter of personal preference. I don't like cars, but I can see the objective reasons why my coworker's BMW is better than my Toyota, even if I don't care about those reasons. Similarly, I can see the reasons why an $80 pair of jeans are better than hand-me-downs even if I'm not buying the jeans.

Losing weight is hard for me too, i'm just not naturally predisposed to it.  Therefor I shouldn't be judged or criticized for eating mcdonalds. 

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2015, 11:11:15 AM »
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Agreed. Just because a life choice is different doesn't invalidate it. That's actually one of the problems I have with MMM. It's not enough that he is happy with his life choices, he has to put down the life choices of all others.

Personally, I like malls. They're a nice place to walk when it is 100 degrees outside.

Exactly.  It's exactly like making fun of the homeless or welfare recipients.  Those people at the mall have no choice, it's completely out of their control.  Not only is it completely out of their control, but every purchase made at the mall should be off limits to criticism or judgement.

EDIT: Also, if those are your views, what are you even doing in this subforum?

So why do you choose to save money and not go to the mall while someone else decides to go to the mall and run up debt. Do'nt even try to answer because you have no idea and the reasons are multi fold, so count you blessings you are in category A not B,  that's it end of story - yo are no fucking hero just an accident of birth and circumstance.
We can continue to try and educate and open people to new ideas, some will change some will not, neither should be the target of ridicule

Why would I have no idea? You and mathlete are suggesting that one's spending habit is some uncontrollable and unalterable thing.  Either you save, or spend like crazy, and that's just the way you are naturally wired.  I couldn't possibly understand the reasons why I consciously choose not to shop a the mall.  That's all bullshit. 

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2015, 11:19:58 AM »
If you're going to a restaurant in the mall, why not just call ahead for a table? Then at least you'll have "served" part of your wait time as you drive to the mall...

I hate the dopey people walking three or four abreast, sloooooowly, blocking up the path or cutting off the people trying to get around them because they won't bother paying attention to their surroundings. IF I'm going to the mall, I have a shopping list and a plan for which stores to visit. Trudge along and drool if you want, but give me a path through, dammit! These people also do the same thing in the parking lot, not letting anyone get by to park or get out.
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Wow. Switch to decaf, man. You do see, though, the topic of this thread? You do, in fact, see me admit *being at the mall,* which on this forum is already enough to get a fair bit of crap from other posters? Perhaps your mother, some time, somewhere, tried teaching you that it is bad manners to block the sidewalk to the extent that others have trouble getting past?


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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2015, 11:24:20 AM »
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Agreed. Just because a life choice is different doesn't invalidate it. That's actually one of the problems I have with MMM. It's not enough that he is happy with his life choices, he has to put down the life choices of all others.

Personally, I like malls. They're a nice place to walk when it is 100 degrees outside.

Exactly.  It's exactly like making fun of the homeless or welfare recipients.  Those people at the mall have no choice, it's completely out of their control.  Not only is it completely out of their control, but every purchase made at the mall should be off limits to criticism or judgement.

EDIT: Also, if those are your views, what are you even doing in this subforum?

So why do you choose to save money and not go to the mall while someone else decides to go to the mall and run up debt. Do'nt even try to answer because you have no idea and the reasons are multi fold, so count you blessings you are in category A not B,  that's it end of story - yo are no fucking hero just an accident of birth and circumstance.
We can continue to try and educate and open people to new ideas, some will change some will not, neither should be the target of ridicule

Why would I have no idea? You and mathlete are suggesting that one's spending habit is some uncontrollable and unalterable thing.  Either you save, or spend like crazy, and that's just the way you are naturally wired.  I couldn't possibly understand the reasons why I consciously choose not to shop a the mall.  That's all bullshit.

So people who who find themselves in less fortunate positions to you - such as in debt, overweight, unemployed are just weak willed people? - if so what makes them weak willed and you such a hero in control of ever facet of you existence?

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2015, 11:27:37 AM »
If you're going to a restaurant in the mall, why not just call ahead for a table? Then at least you'll have "served" part of your wait time as you drive to the mall...

I hate the dopey people walking three or four abreast, sloooooowly, blocking up the path or cutting off the people trying to get around them because they won't bother paying attention to their surroundings. IF I'm going to the mall, I have a shopping list and a plan for which stores to visit. Trudge along and drool if you want, but give me a path through, dammit! These people also do the same thing in the parking lot, not letting anyone get by to park or get out.
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Wow. Switch to decaf, man. You do see, though, the topic of this thread? You do, in fact, see me admit *being at the mall,* which on this forum is already enough to get a fair bit of crap from other posters? Perhaps your mother, some time, somewhere, tried teaching you that it is bad manners to block the sidewalk to the extent that others have trouble getting past?
She did teach me not to judge those less fortunate than ourselves because we have no idea what's going on with them.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2015, 11:39:58 AM »
Just jumping in this 'happy' thread to say that I can HATE malls without judging those who like malls. I'm not sure where the accusations of judgment came from.

I also dislike when people walk in a way that blocks me from getting past, in malls or otherwise.

I don't know why exactly, but my eyes get very dry and itchy in malls. Something in the air. I also get mild anxiety after awhile and have to leave to get some fresh air. Maybe it's the crowds, or the smell. Not sure.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2015, 11:59:46 AM »
Losing weight is hard for me too, i'm just not naturally predisposed to it.  Therefor I shouldn't be judged or criticized for eating mcdonalds.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2015, 12:02:54 PM »
I like how the poster named "2lazy2retire" is an avid defender of consumerism.  Thanks for the chuckle.

Malls suck.  Everyone knows that.  I'm not sure how anything else is even a defensible position.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2015, 12:12:26 PM »


I don't know why exactly, but my eyes get very dry and itchy in malls. Something in the air. I also get mild anxiety after awhile and have to leave to get some fresh air. Maybe it's the crowds, or the smell. Not sure.

Oh, god, that happens to me, too. During the holiday season, I find that being in malls will often make me sick to my stomach. I think it's probably a combination of having heavy clothes on (so being hot) and the off gassing of all the new products.  It's a real thing, man.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2015, 12:34:11 PM »
Hate malls.

Love the "Wall of Shame" on MMM.



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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2015, 12:34:40 PM »
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Agreed. Just because a life choice is different doesn't invalidate it. That's actually one of the problems I have with MMM. It's not enough that he is happy with his life choices, he has to put down the life choices of all others.

Personally, I like malls. They're a nice place to walk when it is 100 degrees outside.

Oh, get over it. At the very core of MMM's magnetism is the over-the-top, somewhat foul-mouthed, condemnation of modern consumerism. I guaran-fucking-tee that he wouldn't be 1/10 as popular if all of his articles were "Well guys, I sure am happy that I don't buy so much stuff and look at all the money I saved so I could retire early. But we're all different and there are no wrong decisions so whatever you do is fine. Now let's hold hand for a chorus of Kumbaya."


Not to mention, I don't think this is a simple case of MMM just putting down the choices of others because they haven't made the same choices he has.  He has been very clear in his blog that what he is "putting down" (which I would term "calling attention to") is a system and way of life that is incredibly destructive.  Destructive to the environment, destructive to our pocketbooks, and perhaps most importantly, destructive to our well-being. 

Malls suck.  I'm just going to say that.  Why do they suck?  Well, they don't suck in every way.  They are good if you need to get something specific and you want to make sure you go somewhere where you know they will have it.  Or they are good if you need to do Christmas shopping, for example, and you want a wide variety of things in one place so you can buy everything in one go.  Or they are good if, for example, you live in a very hot or very cold place, and you want somewhere to walk that is climate controlled (as is the Mall of America here in MN, where I sometimes go to walk in the winter). 

They do suck, however, in that they are enormous consumer centers that consume tons and tons of resources.  They encourage people to come there to spend lots and lots of money on things they don't need, and eat lots of high-calorie foods that will make them less healthy.  They suck because they help encourage people to consider shopping a hobby -- the act of looking for and purchasing non-necessary items as a pastime.  They suck because going into them puts you in contact with off gassing of petroleum products, headache-inducing fluorescent lights, and a completely artificial environment that removes you even more from the natural world.  They suck because they help drive the notion that things can give us happiness.  They suck because when people go into them and look at products, they are being exposed to aggressive marketing that is designed to make them feel either: a) awesome because they have the newest, trendiest things (which of course they have to keep renewing to keep feeling awesome); or b) anxious and bad because they either can't afford all the things they want, or they don't look as good in the clothes as the models in the pictures do (but they keep buying the products anyway, because hey, "shopping therapy").  Malls suck because they are designed to capitalize on a system that wants to make slaves of us all. 

I can say all of that without it being a condemnation of people who go to them.  I can wish that malls weren't so prevalent, because I want people to be happier and I honestly think that we would all be happier if consumer culture wasn't so all-pervasive, without it being a douchey critique of anyone who has ever had an enjoyable moment in a mall.

Malls suck.  I sometimes go to them.  I sometimes even enjoy myself at them.  But I'm also aware that they are detrimental to us in some fundamental ways.  This is all part of being a critical thinker, and working to not be a consumerist slave.  And a crucial part of MMM's message is meant to help people understand that.  If that seems to some like simply "judging" other people because they don't do what he does, I'd suggest that they are not reading carefully enough.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2015, 12:50:42 PM »
Yes, Kris, totally agree. The last time I was (reluctantly) dragged into a mall, I stepped into Boston Store, made a grand, sweeping gesture with my arm, and announced, "Take a good look around, everything you see here will be in a landfill 10 years from now."

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2015, 01:00:52 PM »
Not to mention, I don't think this is a simple case of MMM just putting down the choices of others because they haven't made the same choices he has.  He has been very clear in his blog that what he is "putting down" (which I would term "calling attention to") is a system and way of life that is incredibly destructive.  Destructive to the environment, destructive to our pocketbooks, and perhaps most importantly, destructive to our well-being.

I think in general, MMM gives a lot of really sound, general advice. I think that the people most in need of his advice though, are people who are upset with their own situation and who don't realize that they're kind of banging their heads against the wall. There are plenty of people though, who are happy spending money on the kinds of things he slags off. For example, it's clear from his blogs that he isn't a fan of video games. Cool. He just doesn't get it I guess. That doesn't invalidate that my choice to play video games is a good one though =D. People spend money on things that make them happy. For some people, that is an early retirement. For others that is living it up in their 20s. Ultimately, it is important to balance the things in life that are important to you.

To the "destructive to the environment" point though, I am a human being. I have no illusions that my existence is anything but God-awful for the environment. The existence of my house precludes the existence of 2000 square feet of nature and the same is true of everyone. So I'm not sure it's wise to start casting stones at people buying processed foods or drinking out of Styrofoam containers or anything.

Malls suck.  I sometimes go to them.  I sometimes even enjoy myself at them.  But I'm also aware that they are detrimental to us in some fundamental ways.  This is all part of being a critical thinker, and working to not be a consumerist slave.  And a crucial part of MMM's message is meant to help people understand that.  If that seems to some like simply "judging" other people because they don't do what he does, I'd suggest that they are not reading carefully enough.

That's certainly one way to look at it. I think Mississippi Mudstache was on the right track when he was speaking to MMM's popularity.

People in life (and on the Internet especially) seek affirmation. We like to be told that what we're doing is right and what everyone else is doing is wrong. That's why blogs like this get so popular.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2015, 02:34:22 PM »
Oh, get over it. At the very core of MMM's magnetism is the over-the-top, somewhat foul-mouthed, condemnation of modern consumerism. I guaran-fucking-tee that he wouldn't be 1/10 as popular if all of his articles were "Well guys, I sure am happy that I don't buy so much stuff and look at all the money I saved so I could retire early. But we're all different and there are no wrong decisions so whatever you do is fine. Now let's hold hand for a chorus of Kumbaya."

Oh, and malls suck.

Just like high school. Putting down other people is a fast-track to popularity =D

"Please like me because look at how nice and non-judgement I am!" also has its adherents.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2015, 03:28:36 PM »
I hate shopping at malls and so I never shop there.  When I need to get something done I tend to want to do it the most direct way possible and all the noisy wandering people at the mall get in the way of that.  I barely shop anywhere anyways.

I do enjoy going to the mall on my own (without the kids) to people watch and wander around and look at all the random stuff and laugh at price tags, and eat a DQ cone. In this situation I do not shop nor have anything to buy (except for the ice cream cone).

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2015, 03:41:42 PM »
I think Mississippi Mudstache was on the right track when he was speaking to MMM's popularity.

Yes, I agree, to a certain extent.  Sure, MMM is obviously appealing to people who have already started to question their spending habits, or have already gotten a bit of a bad taste in their mouths about some of the negative aspects of consumer culture.  Clearly, he's speaking to a population where the door has already been cracked open a little bit, rather than a population that has no desire or inclination to examine the negative ways that their participation in consumerist culture might be impacting their lives.  People who don't have the door cracked open won't be receptive to him. 

And yes, his very strong voice and presence is designed to attract those people to a more "mustachian" way of life.  It's kind of a counter-cult of personality to counteract the cult of consumerism.  But I disagree that his primary audience (at least the one he is "marketing" to) are the people who are already there.  Yes, people seek affirmation in other people.  And he knows that.  So he's creating a "large" presence to counteract the large presence of the consumerist message.  Over the top, probably -- but you know, I prefer MMM calling me a consumer sucka outright and mocking me for face punch-worthy activity directly, to the advertising I'm barraged with all day long, which finesse their messages and try to make me feel good about myself, but which are ultimately more judgmental, cynical, and talking down to me than anything MMM has ever said. 

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2015, 04:05:58 PM »
What do you dislike about malls?

That I can't afford all the cool stuff there.  And that my house isn't big enough to properly store all the cool stuff if I could afford it.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2015, 04:40:01 PM »
Malls are just depressing and crowded.  Same reason I hate the zoo.

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« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2015, 04:45:25 PM »
I dislike the mall during super crowded times. But I actually go to our mall a fair amount, even more so when I was ice skating 4 days a week, because that is where the rink is...

My biggest problem is the noise and the smells.  So many stores pump insanely loud music so the noise pollution in the corridors is crazy. And the candles, perfume and incense are out of control.


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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2015, 07:34:59 PM »
I am not a fan of the mall either.  I can't move much faster than a shuffle while I am in there and yet somehow, this makes me feel tired faster.  I don't get it.  I live close to the biggest mall in my city and when I need to go there, I plan to go to 2 stores and then get the hell out.  If the weather is half-decent outside, I don't walk through the mall, I get outside and walk on the street to get to the place in the mall I am going to.  Just don't much like it in there.  :(

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She said, "Ye can we get married at the mall?"

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« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2015, 08:56:35 AM »
I don't go to the mall. It's not an efficient way to get what limited items I want. I tend to frequent a few grocery stores and a few specialist stores with the rest being purchased online. The mall just doesn't serve my needs well.

I think a mall is great for shopping as an activity. It puts a whole lot of retail options in one spot under a roof and provides food options. So if you want to spend the day enjoying some retail entertainment it does make a lot of sense.

I spent $500 on a fly fishing rod at a local store so I'm not going to judge somebody for buying something fancy at the mall. It's just not of interest for me.

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Re: Went to the Mall this weekend...
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2015, 09:33:11 AM »
So we here at MMM have an aversion to buying stuff and all that comes with that culture, but FFS stop been so f@cking judgmental. Yippee we are so smart compared to all those idiots at the Mall. Everyone is different and always will be thankfully, the fact that you make smarter choices is because you are blessed with the ability/wiring to do so. Why not go down the city and make fun of the homeless, or people on welfare ( some on here like to do that already, "its all their own fault - if only the worked hard like I do").
The whole wall of shame and comedy smacks to me of a group of posters who are not comfortable with their own choices if they feel the need to bash everyone else's. There will always be someone less complete than you and always someone more complete than you.

Agreed. Just because a life choice is different doesn't invalidate it. That's actually one of the problems I have with MMM. It's not enough that he is happy with his life choices, he has to put down the life choices of all others.

Personally, I like malls. They're a nice place to walk when it is 100 degrees outside.

Oh, get over it. At the very core of MMM's magnetism is the over-the-top, somewhat foul-mouthed, condemnation of modern consumerism. I guaran-fucking-tee that he wouldn't be 1/10 as popular if all of his articles were "Well guys, I sure am happy that I don't buy so much stuff and look at all the money I saved so I could retire early. But we're all different and there are no wrong decisions so whatever you do is fine. Now let's hold hand for a chorus of Kumbaya."


Not to mention, I don't think this is a simple case of MMM just putting down the choices of others because they haven't made the same choices he has.  He has been very clear in his blog that what he is "putting down" (which I would term "calling attention to") is a system and way of life that is incredibly destructive.  Destructive to the environment, destructive to our pocketbooks, and perhaps most importantly, destructive to our well-being. 

Malls suck.  I'm just going to say that.  Why do they suck?  Well, they don't suck in every way.  They are good if you need to get something specific and you want to make sure you go somewhere where you know they will have it.  Or they are good if you need to do Christmas shopping, for example, and you want a wide variety of things in one place so you can buy everything in one go.  Or they are good if, for example, you live in a very hot or very cold place, and you want somewhere to walk that is climate controlled (as is the Mall of America here in MN, where I sometimes go to walk in the winter). 

They do suck, however, in that they are enormous consumer centers that consume tons and tons of resources.  They encourage people to come there to spend lots and lots of money on things they don't need, and eat lots of high-calorie foods that will make them less healthy.  They suck because they help encourage people to consider shopping a hobby -- the act of looking for and purchasing non-necessary items as a pastime.  They suck because going into them puts you in contact with off gassing of petroleum products, headache-inducing fluorescent lights, and a completely artificial environment that removes you even more from the natural world.  They suck because they help drive the notion that things can give us happiness.  They suck because when people go into them and look at products, they are being exposed to aggressive marketing that is designed to make them feel either: a) awesome because they have the newest, trendiest things (which of course they have to keep renewing to keep feeling awesome); or b) anxious and bad because they either can't afford all the things they want, or they don't look as good in the clothes as the models in the pictures do (but they keep buying the products anyway, because hey, "shopping therapy").  Malls suck because they are designed to capitalize on a system that wants to make slaves of us all. 

I can say all of that without it being a condemnation of people who go to them.  I can wish that malls weren't so prevalent, because I want people to be happier and I honestly think that we would all be happier if consumer culture wasn't so all-pervasive, without it being a douchey critique of anyone who has ever had an enjoyable moment in a mall.

Malls suck.  I sometimes go to them.  I sometimes even enjoy myself at them.  But I'm also aware that they are detrimental to us in some fundamental ways.  This is all part of being a critical thinker, and working to not be a consumerist slave.  And a crucial part of MMM's message is meant to help people understand that.  If that seems to some like simply "judging" other people because they don't do what he does, I'd suggest that they are not reading carefully enough.
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