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« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2025, 12:07:27 PM »
I’m a biker—maybe 250 miles a month; walker— ~35 miles a month; and I do a little PT-like lifting and stretching too.

I understand the relationship between exercise and weight intellectually, but have never found exercise to do much for weight personally—likely because I’ve exercised the same amount for many years. It’s just me.

If I want to lose weight I eat less calories.

YMMV.

Eating less absolutely works for weight loss.  But exercise can as well.

Duration and intensity are the magic words when exercising to lose weight.  You need long enough duration that you burn through a lot of calories.  I will lose weight when going for regular six hour bike rides.  My tummy just gets full before being able to eat enough to cover the calories when I get home.  High intensity is great in many ways, and you need enough intensity to be working when exercising.  That said I've found that usually I can't keep up high intensity stuff long enough to make a dent in my weight (the exception being extremely high intensity exercise where I get so sick/pukey feeling afterwards that I can't eat).  Medium intensity where you're breathing hard, but can still talk (with a little effort between breaths) seems to be my sweet spot.

This is 100% true.

It is also true that if you maintain roughly the same exercise program and food intake year after year you will weigh about the same “all things being equal”. So, for someone who chooses to maintain the same level of exercise, diet is the answer to weight loss; whereas someone who does not want to change what they eat can choose to exercise more to lose weight.

I think.

I always believed this.  Then menopause hit.  *Nothing* works the same as it used to, and I changed nothing.  Always exercised vigorously and consistently, always could eat pretty much whatever I wanted.  Not any more.  That said, Steve's theory on increasing duration of exercise does seem to work, for what it's worth.  I spent a full week and several weekends this fall doing full day intense hikes, and that did result in weight loss.  Unfortunately, I really can't exercise much more than 2 hours a day on average and work at the same time...and idk if exercising all day every day would eventually lead to overuse injuries.

Hey it's me, the dreaded better-in-menopause lady. Mid-50s. Lifelong hard exerciser. Almost a decade into menopause, I'm in the best shape of my life. VO2 max of a 20-year-old (if my watch is to be believed). I did have trouble with creeping weight gain but a year ago finally lost 15 lbs (currently it's around 10 lbs down) due to a combination of efforts (strength, food tracking, walking, cardio). WHAT you eat is really important, especially protein, for satiety and body composition. NEAT is critically important. Whether menopause or andropause, the body changes over the course of our lives, but those hormone shifts are a tiny percentage of what changes it. Most important is the body recomposition that can happen VERY insidiously (it happened to me, and I blamed menopause for 7 years).

So, it turns out that losing weight, especially losing it quickly, is TERRIBLE for you because it erodes the frame and the engine of your metabolism: Bone and muscle. It's almost as if the weight loss industry has been lying to us. Muscle motor units are precious and when we lose them (as we all do) they don't come back. Prioritize explosive moves (the only way to produce the substances that prevent arthritis) and balance.

Be very careful about intensity (HIIT, or other forms). A little goes a long way, and too much will backfire. The older you get, the more effective you'll find minimalist lifting programs, and light (mostly zone 2) cardio that you LOVE to do. It's a wonderful time of life.

I've now been getting 20k steps a day for all of December, January and February to date! I get a lot of the steps on my rebounder now in the evenings. My kid hates it because apparently the bouncing is driving them crazy. Not my problem, I love bouncing!

I mean, I'm in great shape too, with a well-rounded mix of cardio, strength, and flexibility (I do it all.  Running, biking, hiking, walking, yoga, weight lifting, Hiit, pickleball, kayaking, kickboxing etc), but I'm still experiencing weight creep.  I'm not overweight since I started out on the lower end of BMI, but it's annoying that I can't just eat anything I want anymore.  I have been focusing more on building/retaining muscle, but I guess I have to get more vigilant about my diet.  It just goes against my life philosophy to have to pay attention to my diet when it's just taken care of itself my entire life up until this point, ugh.

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« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2025, 12:13:57 PM »
I’m a biker—maybe 250 miles a month; walker— ~35 miles a month; and I do a little PT-like lifting and stretching too.

I understand the relationship between exercise and weight intellectually, but have never found exercise to do much for weight personally—likely because I’ve exercised the same amount for many years. It’s just me.

If I want to lose weight I eat less calories.

YMMV.

Eating less absolutely works for weight loss.  But exercise can as well.

Duration and intensity are the magic words when exercising to lose weight.  You need long enough duration that you burn through a lot of calories.  I will lose weight when going for regular six hour bike rides.  My tummy just gets full before being able to eat enough to cover the calories when I get home.  High intensity is great in many ways, and you need enough intensity to be working when exercising.  That said I've found that usually I can't keep up high intensity stuff long enough to make a dent in my weight (the exception being extremely high intensity exercise where I get so sick/pukey feeling afterwards that I can't eat).  Medium intensity where you're breathing hard, but can still talk (with a little effort between breaths) seems to be my sweet spot.

This is 100% true.

It is also true that if you maintain roughly the same exercise program and food intake year after year you will weigh about the same “all things being equal”. So, for someone who chooses to maintain the same level of exercise, diet is the answer to weight loss; whereas someone who does not want to change what they eat can choose to exercise more to lose weight.

I think.

I always believed this.  Then menopause hit.  *Nothing* works the same as it used to, and I changed nothing.  Always exercised vigorously and consistently, always could eat pretty much whatever I wanted.  Not any more.  That said, Steve's theory on increasing duration of exercise does seem to work, for what it's worth.  I spent a full week and several weekends this fall doing full day intense hikes, and that did result in weight loss.  Unfortunately, I really can't exercise much more than 2 hours a day on average and work at the same time...and idk if exercising all day every day would eventually lead to overuse injuries.

Hey it's me, the dreaded better-in-menopause lady. Mid-50s. Lifelong hard exerciser. Almost a decade into menopause, I'm in the best shape of my life. VO2 max of a 20-year-old (if my watch is to be believed). I did have trouble with creeping weight gain but a year ago finally lost 15 lbs (currently it's around 10 lbs down) due to a combination of efforts (strength, food tracking, walking, cardio). WHAT you eat is really important, especially protein, for satiety and body composition. NEAT is critically important. Whether menopause or andropause, the body changes over the course of our lives, but those hormone shifts are a tiny percentage of what changes it. Most important is the body recomposition that can happen VERY insidiously (it happened to me, and I blamed menopause for 7 years).

So, it turns out that losing weight, especially losing it quickly, is TERRIBLE for you because it erodes the frame and the engine of your metabolism: Bone and muscle. It's almost as if the weight loss industry has been lying to us. Muscle motor units are precious and when we lose them (as we all do) they don't come back. Prioritize explosive moves (the only way to produce the substances that prevent arthritis) and balance.

Be very careful about intensity (HIIT, or other forms). A little goes a long way, and too much will backfire. The older you get, the more effective you'll find minimalist lifting programs, and light (mostly zone 2) cardio that you LOVE to do. It's a wonderful time of life.

I've now been getting 20k steps a day for all of December, January and February to date! I get a lot of the steps on my rebounder now in the evenings. My kid hates it because apparently the bouncing is driving them crazy. Not my problem, I love bouncing!

I mean, I'm in great shape too, with a well-rounded mix of cardio, strength, and flexibility (I do it all.  Running, biking, hiking, walking, yoga, weight lifting, Hiit, pickleball, kayaking, kickboxing etc), but I'm still experiencing weight creep.  I'm not overweight since I started out on the lower end of BMI, but it's annoying that I can't just eat anything I want anymore.  I have been focusing more on building/retaining muscle, but I guess I have to get more vigilant about my diet.  It just goes against my life philosophy to have to pay attention to my diet when it's just taken care of itself my entire life up until this point, ugh.

I totally agree, I always could eat anything. Never ate much junk, still don't. I still can eat anything, but very slowly have reduced carbs and increased protein. When I track food, it still shows a very good percentage of carbs. That probably means that my carbs were VERY high before. Also, some of the thinking around carbs, and ye olde food pyramid, have changed. So what might have seemed like a pretty clean, complex carb is now not seen quite that way.

BUT all this can and will change over time, as nutritional fads come and go. That's why the final cherry-on-top component of extreme fitness is belief. I don't do it nearly often enough but sometimes if I put an inspirational workout motivation video on before going to the gym, whoo boy do I get into a focused workout. In general I believe I am getting better and better.

I understand that I may hit a wall due to age, at some point (a point that outliers keep extending -- now into 80s and beyond). Or be injured (have been many times before). Or worse. I exercise now just in case none of that happens.

Oh and as for the ability to put on weight, in survival terms, that's optimal. That means the machine is running well, just needs a few adjustments. In through hiking, for example, the last thing you want to be is someone already thin who easily drops weight. That's why I only did half the Colorado Trail, the weight loss was too extreme and I don't think healthy in the least. Maybe if I knew better how to forage and hunt it would be a different story. Eating dandelion greens for a month ain't it.
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« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2025, 03:35:25 PM »
I understand the phenomena and empathize. Aging is different but also throws the math out of wack…

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« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2025, 04:43:56 PM »
I’ve cycled about 1100 miles so far in 2025. Burning about 6000 calories a week, which allows a lot of extra food beyond my maintenance levels.

Although I feel pretty fortunate that I can eat as much food as I can right now to maintain my weight, I could EASILY become overweight or obese. It would be nothing for me to still eat an extra 1000 calories/wk eating sweets, fried foods, fast foods, pizza, etc. You really can’t outwork a crappy diet.

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« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2025, 07:03:24 PM »
I think I'm an oddball. It seems like how active I am plays a more important part in how healthy I feel, how my clothes fit, my stamina. I dont have a scale but while my weight has crept up these last 5 years, it doesn't seem to fluctuate too much.

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« Reply #55 on: February 19, 2025, 05:48:26 AM »
I’ve cycled about 1100 miles so far in 2025. Burning about 6000 calories a week, which allows a lot of extra food beyond my maintenance levels.

Although I feel pretty fortunate that I can eat as much food as I can right now to maintain my weight, I could EASILY become overweight or obese. It would be nothing for me to still eat an extra 1000 calories/wk eating sweets, fried foods, fast foods, pizza, etc. You really can’t outwork a crappy diet.

That's great! I'm at 850 miles for the year so far. Like you, I could easily cycle that much and still put on weight. I still find fasting to be the easiest way for me to lose weight. If I do 24-hour fasts on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, I lose an average of 2.5lbs per week.

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« Reply #56 on: February 19, 2025, 09:39:24 AM »
I think I'm an oddball. It seems like how active I am plays a more important part in how healthy I feel, how my clothes fit, my stamina. I dont have a scale but while my weight has crept up these last 5 years, it doesn't seem to fluctuate too much.
When I am not active, regardless of my weight, I feel sluggish and in a daze. When I am active, regardless of what it is, I feel locked in and clear headed. I only drink on social occasions, so I feel pretty good pretty much most of the time unless I get sick.

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« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2025, 05:40:39 AM »
On my first post in late November 2024, I was down 5 pounds (232 to 227) and 1 inch off my waist (43.5 to 42.5 inches). I'm now down 10 pounds and 2 inches off my waist. I think this is a pretty good win for me in the dead of winter with cold weather. Now that the weather is getting better and spending more time outside, I'm going to be getting more steps.

I have a step counter. I'm averaging 16,500 steps per day since day 1. I slightly modified my diet to restrict processed foods. Less potato chips and cookies. I still eat them, just less of them. I'm not restricting how much I eat. I'm never hungry, but I make an effort to eat meats and vegetables and rice that I make at home.

I haven't really cut back on my drinking yet, but I think that is coming next.

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« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2025, 10:00:56 AM »
@clarkfan1979 I lost about 40 lbs three years ago. The number one thing that I did was start getting 10k steps a day. The second-best thing that I did was only drink on social occasions. The third best thing that I did was meal prep my food.

When I drank, I ate very poorly and that was a double whammy for keeping the pounds on.

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« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2025, 10:24:13 AM »
Lack of walking, due to our excessive car culture and car infrastructure, is one of the big factors in why this country is so fat in the first place.  In most of the world, walking is built in to how people get around.  Free caloric burn and muscle building built into every day without even needing to set aside time for it. 

Anecdotally, I've heard of the various Americans who take European vacations, eat all kinds of sumptuous fatty and high-carb foods, and don't gain any weight (or lose weight) because they're actually using their legs as a mode of transportation for a change.

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« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2025, 11:59:29 AM »
It’s not just walking… it’s high-speed internet/screen time. One study compared neighboring communities with and without fast internet when it was being introduced. The ones with internet gained weight.

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« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2025, 12:00:42 PM »
I have been walking 20k steps a day since Nov 30! It feels great & not hard to do now.

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« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2025, 06:19:55 PM »
It’s not just walking… it’s high-speed internet/screen time. One study compared neighboring communities with and without fast internet when it was being introduced. The ones with internet gained weight.
I do wonder how much our dependency on tech and screens for entertainment has affected our physical health. I should keep track of my key health metrics and compare them to screen time. I wonder what that would look like.

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« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2025, 10:30:46 AM »
It’s not just walking… it’s high-speed internet/screen time. One study compared neighboring communities with and without fast internet when it was being introduced. The ones with internet gained weight.
I do wonder how much our dependency on tech and screens for entertainment has affected our physical health. I should keep track of my key health metrics and compare them to screen time. I wonder what that would look like.

When I started my working life in the 90s, I would go all weekend without looking at a computer. There used to be a concern that longform writing was going to die, and there was plenty of talk about special chairs or other ways to make it possible for people to sit still and read from a computer screen for hours. Guess what, we managed to figure it out lol.

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« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2025, 09:25:18 PM »
Granted, I am way younger, but I even I remember a time where my weekends were mostly tech free. We would watch TV and such, but I didn't have a video game console until about 10 or so. So, there were definitely weekends without tech for me especially in the summer months.

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« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2025, 07:04:25 AM »
Obligatory "back in my day!" post regarding gaming:
I was a kid in the 70's, when stand up arcade style games got popular.
A little store four miles from my house in the country got a Space Invaders game, then in around 1981 (I was 14, prime video game age) they got a Donkey Kong machine and a Galaga (still my favorite).
I would ride my bmx bike down until I had used up my meager supply of quarters (usually four). My allowance was a few bucks/week.
With all that riding, I was in excellent shape, lol
I didn't just ride for games, though. I probably rode 20-25 miles per day, mostly on single track dirt bike trails, pushing up the hills and riding down.
I never had an Atari 2600. I had a friend with one but I thought the games sucked compared to the arcade versions.
When my DD was little I got a Wii console, we had a lot of fun with that; I really liked the frisbee dog game :-)
I've never played any of the modern games, except one day at my then brother in laws, who had the first Grand Theft Auto. I basically stole a motorcycle and rode around causing mayhem until the SWAT unit flew up in a helo and shot me down. Game over.
I can still kick ass on Galaga, ha. I've forgotten most of the routines on Donkey Kong.

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« Reply #66 on: March 20, 2025, 07:47:33 AM »
The walking vs. running part is pretty straightforward, as long as you go X distance then the calories burned is basically the same.  Unless you do a lot of acceleration / deceleration (HIIT), the city/highway MPG on a car is a good analogy. 

The weight loss part is much more complicated.  If you have the time, I found this 2 hour discussion on metabolic studies between Dr. Mike and Dr. Jason Fung to show just how tricky it is to reach consensus - https://youtu.be/pSwppRQ0dDQ?si=KFx72ZlOMNt3elgD

One thing you mentioned though, you were able to ditch your thyroid medicine.  That alone could account for much of your recent weight loss success.  Once you get your hormones right, many problems with weight gain and loss become much easier.  That's why GLP-1 medications have been so successful, they are a shortcut to getting your hormones back to 'lean person'.

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« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2025, 08:14:12 AM »
The walking vs. running part is pretty straightforward, as long as you go X distance then the calories burned is basically the same.

That didn't sound right to me, so I looked it up.  But all I could find was a time comparison:
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Burning calories:  Running burns more than twice as many calories per minute as walking.   For a person who weighs 160 pounds, walking at a pace of 3.5 miles per hour for 30 minutes burns about 156 calories. Running at 6 mph for the same time burns about 356 calories.
- https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/difference-between-walking-and-running


We know that there are 312 calories burned in an hour walking 3.5 miles for a 160 lb person

3.5/6 = 312/calories burned walking 6 miles
calories burned walking 6 miles = 6(312)/3.5 = 534
So you burn 534 calories walking 6 miles if you're a 160 lb person.

We know that 712 calories are burned in an hour running 6 miles for a 160 lb person.

So comparing the two - 712:534 = 1.33:1 . . . we know that running burns a third more calories than walking.  Which is less than I would have guessed at first glance, but quite a bit more than nothing.  To say it another way - you would have to walk 8 miles to burn as many calories as someone running 6 miles.

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« Reply #68 on: March 20, 2025, 08:44:59 AM »
The walking vs. running part is pretty straightforward, as long as you go X distance then the calories burned is basically the same.

That didn't sound right to me, so I looked it up.  But all I could find was a time comparison:
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Burning calories:  Running burns more than twice as many calories per minute as walking.   For a person who weighs 160 pounds, walking at a pace of 3.5 miles per hour for 30 minutes burns about 156 calories. Running at 6 mph for the same time burns about 356 calories.
- https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/difference-between-walking-and-running

We know that there are 312 calories burned in an hour walking 3.5 miles for a 160 lb person

3.5/6 = 312/calories burned walking 6 miles
calories burned walking 6 miles = 6(312)/3.5 = 534
So you burn 534 calories walking 6 miles if you're a 160 lb person.

We know that 712 calories are burned in an hour running 6 miles for a 160 lb person.

So comparing the two - 712:534 = 1.33:1 . . . we know that running burns a third more calories than walking.  Which is less than I would have guessed at first glance, but quite a bit more than nothing.  To say it another way - you would have to walk 8 miles to burn as many calories as someone running 6 miles.

I didn't say that they were exactly the same, if you'd have read the next sentence, I compared it to the mpg for hwy vs. city driving, which are not the same.  I guess it's a bit of a poor comparison because highway mpg is actually higher than city and running is more like highway driving in most people's minds, but I was trying to get at them being 'roughly' the same which you have now provided a quantitative estimate of...

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« Reply #69 on: March 20, 2025, 08:48:30 AM »
The walking vs. running part is pretty straightforward, as long as you go X distance then the calories burned is basically the same.

That didn't sound right to me, so I looked it up.  But all I could find was a time comparison:
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Burning calories:  Running burns more than twice as many calories per minute as walking.   For a person who weighs 160 pounds, walking at a pace of 3.5 miles per hour for 30 minutes burns about 156 calories. Running at 6 mph for the same time burns about 356 calories.
- https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/difference-between-walking-and-running

We know that there are 312 calories burned in an hour walking 3.5 miles for a 160 lb person

3.5/6 = 312/calories burned walking 6 miles
calories burned walking 6 miles = 6(312)/3.5 = 534
So you burn 534 calories walking 6 miles if you're a 160 lb person.

We know that 712 calories are burned in an hour running 6 miles for a 160 lb person.

So comparing the two - 712:534 = 1.33:1 . . . we know that running burns a third more calories than walking.  Which is less than I would have guessed at first glance, but quite a bit more than nothing.  To say it another way - you would have to walk 8 miles to burn as many calories as someone running 6 miles.

I didn't say that they were exactly the same, if you'd have read the next sentence, I compared it to the mpg for hwy vs. city driving, which are not the same.  I guess it's a bit of a poor comparison because highway mpg is actually higher than city and running is more like highway driving in most people's minds, but I was trying to get at them being 'roughly' the same which you have now provided a quantitative estimate of...

Oh yeah, although it probably seemed that way, I wasn't actually going for 'pedantic dick'.  Over the years I've heard people say that you burn pretty much the same calories for going the same distance or that there's a huge difference.  I was just curious.

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« Reply #70 on: March 20, 2025, 08:58:45 AM »
The walking vs. running part is pretty straightforward, as long as you go X distance then the calories burned is basically the same.

That didn't sound right to me, so I looked it up.  But all I could find was a time comparison:
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Burning calories:  Running burns more than twice as many calories per minute as walking.   For a person who weighs 160 pounds, walking at a pace of 3.5 miles per hour for 30 minutes burns about 156 calories. Running at 6 mph for the same time burns about 356 calories.
- https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/difference-between-walking-and-running

We know that there are 312 calories burned in an hour walking 3.5 miles for a 160 lb person

3.5/6 = 312/calories burned walking 6 miles
calories burned walking 6 miles = 6(312)/3.5 = 534
So you burn 534 calories walking 6 miles if you're a 160 lb person.

We know that 712 calories are burned in an hour running 6 miles for a 160 lb person.

So comparing the two - 712:534 = 1.33:1 . . . we know that running burns a third more calories than walking.  Which is less than I would have guessed at first glance, but quite a bit more than nothing.  To say it another way - you would have to walk 8 miles to burn as many calories as someone running 6 miles.

I didn't say that they were exactly the same, if you'd have read the next sentence, I compared it to the mpg for hwy vs. city driving, which are not the same.  I guess it's a bit of a poor comparison because highway mpg is actually higher than city and running is more like highway driving in most people's minds, but I was trying to get at them being 'roughly' the same which you have now provided a quantitative estimate of...

Oh yeah, although it probably seemed that way, I wasn't actually going for 'pedantic dick'.  Over the years I've heard people say that you burn pretty much the same calories for going the same distance or that there's a huge difference.  I was just curious.

It was an interesting analysis and I've never seen anything definitive.  Just from observation, people that show up to my races and walk vs. the vast majority of runners, the walkers are definitely on the heavier side of the scale.  But all of the articles I read assure us that you burn plenty of calories walking, it just takes a long time and doesn't feel as strenuous...

I do a bit of both, since running is hard on the joints, but walking doesn't get my heart rate up and make me sweat...  most important is that I'm out there everyday, which gets tough in a Norwegian winter or a Houston summer!

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« Reply #71 on: March 20, 2025, 05:25:11 PM »
People tend to drastically overestimate the amount of calories that they burn. That is nothing new. The whole point of walking for weight loss is about building a consistent habit of movement that makes sticking to other healthy habits easier.

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« Reply #72 on: March 21, 2025, 06:23:47 AM »
I always figured the walking vs running calories debate generally boiled down to most people can (or are willing to) walk for much longer periods of time than they can run.    So, if you tell someone to go out and run for 30 minutes; that simply isn't going to happen for a lot of people.  But if you tell them to go on a 3 mile walk through a park or something; that is a more accessible use of an hour of their time.

I've gotten way more people to agree to join me on a 10 mile hike than I have on a 6 mile run, for example.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #73 on: March 21, 2025, 07:33:41 AM »
I always figured the walking vs running calories debate generally boiled down to most people can (or are willing to) walk for much longer periods of time than they can run.    So, if you tell someone to go out and run for 30 minutes; that simply isn't going to happen for a lot of people.  But if you tell them to go on a 3 mile walk through a park or something; that is a more accessible use of an hour of their time.

I've gotten way more people to agree to join me on a 10 mile hike than I have on a 6 mile run, for example.

So if I'm reading between the lines correctly here . . . for maximum calories burned, you should hike 5 miles out into the middle of nowhere and then have a friend in a bear costume jump out of the woods and run after your group the remaining 5 miles home.  :D

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #74 on: March 21, 2025, 08:41:01 AM »
I always figured the walking vs running calories debate generally boiled down to most people can (or are willing to) walk for much longer periods of time than they can run.    So, if you tell someone to go out and run for 30 minutes; that simply isn't going to happen for a lot of people.  But if you tell them to go on a 3 mile walk through a park or something; that is a more accessible use of an hour of their time.

I've gotten way more people to agree to join me on a 10 mile hike than I have on a 6 mile run, for example.

I also find in that hour I’m generally not in a spot to mindlessly snack.  In fact if I get the feeling I want to snack but I’m not actually hungry, it’s a sign for me in fact go on a walk because it gets me a way from the pantry.

On running makes you gain weight, I’m on team it’s not the running it’s the eating.  People tend to interpret being 10% more hungry with 50% and overeat.  Running 20-25 miles a week I try to not eat too much more than normal.  And guess what I May feel like I’m staring when I first sit down, but once I finish eating I’m generally not.  it’s only when I get above 25 miles that I start to notice the true need to eat more.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #75 on: March 24, 2025, 08:08:52 AM »
People tend to drastically overestimate the amount of calories that they burn. That is nothing new. The whole point of walking for weight loss is about building a consistent habit of movement that makes sticking to other healthy habits easier.


I built a very consistent running schedule for 2 years and didn't lose any weight. I ran 65 minutes on average 6 times/week. Now I'm walking 90 minutes a day (6 days/week) and losing weight. For me personally, walking has been much better for weight loss than running. With running, I would get large hunger spikes post workout. I don't get those with walking. Im also more active during the rest of the day with a walking schedule. When I was running, I would sit for long periods of time post workout, because my muscles were tired and sore.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #76 on: March 24, 2025, 10:00:23 AM »
@clarkfan1979 Running can definitely spike your hunger. It really all comes down to diet. There have been times where I was very active but somehow gained weight. I later realized that my diet was just truly terrible. This is when I was in university and ate and drank way too much. You can be as active as you want, but if you just eat like crap, it's hard to stay in shape.

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« Reply #77 on: March 24, 2025, 10:19:14 AM »
Also, with regard to body composition, it’s not aging, it’s the passage of time. As years/decades go by you gradually lose muscle mass due to disuse, increasing screen time/sedentary lifestyle. Endurance training can help when you have enough muscle mass. But over time, endurance training can ALSO lead to poor body composition, because it is a catabolic process — it consumes muscle.

Here’s an explanation from https://www.healthline.com/health/catabolism-vs-anabolism#body-weight:

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Since anabolism and catabolism are parts of your metabolism, these processes affect your body weight. Remember: When you’re in an anabolic state, you’re building and maintaining your muscle mass. When you’re in a catabolic state, you’re breaking down or losing overall mass, both fat and muscle.

You may be able to manipulate your body weight by understanding these processes and your overall metabolism. Both the anabolic and catabolic process lead to fat loss over time. With regard to your weight on the bathroom scale as a benchmark, however, things can get a bit tricky.

If you do a lot of anabolic workouts, you’ll tend to shed fat and maintain or even gain muscle. Muscle is more dense than fat, so your body weight and body mass index may stay higher despite a leaner physique.

Catabolic workouts, on the other hand, may help you shed pounds by working off both fat and muscle. You’ll weigh less, but you’ll also have far less critical muscle mass.

You can think of these processes as an equation to predict whether or not you may lose or gain weight.

It’s important to do ALL the things. You have to do SOME intense cardio (150 minutes a week of moderate and/or vigorous activity). You have to build/maintain muscle sustainably (as in, not in a way that might injure you or cause you to burn out). You have to sleep (when muscle is built). You have to drink water (you excrete fat as CO2 from your lungs, or via urine/sweat). You need balance and flexibility. You need some endurance as well for mental health. And you need walking or some form of non-exercise activity thermogenesis (NEAT).

But if all that seems overwhelming, just start walking!
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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #78 on: March 25, 2025, 05:08:57 AM »
I always figured the walking vs running calories debate generally boiled down to most people can (or are willing to) walk for much longer periods of time than they can run.    So, if you tell someone to go out and run for 30 minutes; that simply isn't going to happen for a lot of people.  But if you tell them to go on a 3 mile walk through a park or something; that is a more accessible use of an hour of their time.

I've gotten way more people to agree to join me on a 10 mile hike than I have on a 6 mile run, for example.

So if I'm reading between the lines correctly here . . . for maximum calories burned, you should hike 5 miles out into the middle of nowhere and then have a friend in a bear costume jump out of the woods and run after your group the remaining 5 miles home.  :D

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BRILLIANT!  Imma write that down. :D

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #79 on: March 25, 2025, 05:38:04 AM »
CICO is real, I'm not discounting it, but I am also convinced losing weight is person dependent and not 100% CICO. I have lost weight on 10 minutes of exercise alone. I have lost weight on a ton of exercise but also eating like a lumberjack, all crappy foods and drinking tons of alcohol (some people say you cannot exercise away a bad diet, um I could). Walking is good, but for me I need to do a little (10-30) min high intensity exercise like running to see a difference. I also notice core work is really good. The other part (for all the ladies out there) is weight lifting, losing weight is one thing but you can sculpt your body with weightlifting. I hate it, but I try to do it anyway. Age and hormones play a part. And some people just have a heavier set-weight. So yeah watch your CICO but it also seems like each body is a little different so it might be helpful to keep a food and exercise diary. I don't drink alcohol anymore, but I think that's a big weight gainer for people. Park far away from the entrance of the stores, go the long way around, take the stairs whenever possible, all those in between exercises that don't feel like exercise add up. Get one of those watches that tells you to get up if you've been sitting too long.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #80 on: March 25, 2025, 08:32:20 AM »
You can absolutely exercise away a bad diet.  The intensity and duration of exercise required is well above what most are willing to endure though.

Like, if you think jogging for 45 minutes is going to exercise away several cheeseburgers . . . you're going to be disappointed.  If your idea of fun is holding around 85% max heart rate for five or six hours on a bike first thing in the morning, or doing an hour of heavy compound lifts approaching sets of 80% of your 1rm limit followed by an hour of sprinting hill intervals you're going to have better results.

With very heavy exercise, you actually hit a limit where you can't physically eat enough food to keep weight on.  Like you get tired of chewing, and your stomach is so full it hurts so you stop.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #81 on: March 25, 2025, 04:51:17 PM »
You can absolutely exercise away a bad diet.  The intensity and duration of exercise required is well above what most are willing to endure though.


I wonder if you also ned to be a relatively young man for this to work.

CICO is real, I'm not discounting it, but I am also convinced losing weight is person dependent and not 100% CICO. I have lost weight on 10 minutes of exercise alone. I have lost weight on a ton of exercise but also eating like a lumberjack, all crappy foods and drinking tons of alcohol (some people say you cannot exercise away a bad diet, um I could). Walking is good, but for me I need to do a little (10-30) min high intensity exercise like running to see a difference. I also notice core work is really good. The other part (for all the ladies out there) is weight lifting, losing weight is one thing but you can sculpt your body with weightlifting. I hate it, but I try to do it anyway. Age and hormones play a part. And some people just have a heavier set-weight. So yeah watch your CICO but it also seems like each body is a little different so it might be helpful to keep a food and exercise diary. I don't drink alcohol anymore, but I think that's a big weight gainer for people. Park far away from the entrance of the stores, go the long way around, take the stairs whenever possible, all those in between exercises that don't feel like exercise add up. Get one of those watches that tells you to get up if you've been sitting too long.

I think CICO is so dependent on other factors from gut health to age that it's not really useful for regular people. Not only is calculating your caloric intake reeeeeally difficult, but also our "knowledge" of how many calories are in a particular food is based on very old research using out of date methods.

Weight lifting is great, definitely not a way to lose weight. It would be nice to lose weight but these days (I'm a 44-year-old mom to two young teens and a toddler) I am more interested in injury prevention, energy and longevity. So yeah, I'm trying to eat more protein and fiber and get lots of exercise but especially strength training and mobility type exercises (balance, movements like lunges that help counteract all the sitting, etc.) and if I can get back into my old clothes I would enjoy that, but what I want more than that is that when my youngest is in her early 30s and maybe starting and a family and getting going in her career, she doesn't have to be worried about me being old yet, y'know?

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #82 on: March 25, 2025, 08:32:13 PM »
Is it possible to exercise away a bad diet? Sure, but it is usually exhausting and takes so much time. Most of the time the best ROI and most consistent results come from a good diet. Exercise can help but it is all about diet

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #83 on: March 26, 2025, 04:34:00 AM »
You can absolutely exercise away a bad diet.  The intensity and duration of exercise required is well above what most are willing to endure though.

Like, if you think jogging for 45 minutes is going to exercise away several cheeseburgers . . . you're going to be disappointed.  If your idea of fun is holding around 85% max heart rate for five or six hours on a bike first thing in the morning, or doing an hour of heavy compound lifts approaching sets of 80% of your 1rm limit followed by an hour of sprinting hill intervals you're going to have better results.

With very heavy exercise, you actually hit a limit where you can't physically eat enough food to keep weight on.  Like you get tired of chewing, and your stomach is so full it hurts so you stop.

I recall watching a documentary about the dietary requirements of a top cycling team in the Tour de France. The amount of food those guys consumed was truly astonishing!

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2025, 08:05:23 AM »
You can absolutely exercise away a bad diet.  The intensity and duration of exercise required is well above what most are willing to endure though.

Like, if you think jogging for 45 minutes is going to exercise away several cheeseburgers . . . you're going to be disappointed.  If your idea of fun is holding around 85% max heart rate for five or six hours on a bike first thing in the morning, or doing an hour of heavy compound lifts approaching sets of 80% of your 1rm limit followed by an hour of sprinting hill intervals you're going to have better results.

With very heavy exercise, you actually hit a limit where you can't physically eat enough food to keep weight on.  Like you get tired of chewing, and your stomach is so full it hurts so you stop.

I think this is why a lot of people struggle with weight gain after high school, I know I did.

Your metabolism slows down (then stays flat for like 40 years) but you were used to 2 hour practices daily for three seasons and had the heating habits to match. Plus if you are in college you have access to unlimited food.

Also, the garbage food people hiking the Appalachian trail eat (I live near it) always cracks me up. No way they can replace what they burned daily + Budget + Trail magic makes for some funny looking dinners.



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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2025, 08:27:19 AM »
You can absolutely exercise away a bad diet.  The intensity and duration of exercise required is well above what most are willing to endure though.

Like, if you think jogging for 45 minutes is going to exercise away several cheeseburgers . . . you're going to be disappointed.  If your idea of fun is holding around 85% max heart rate for five or six hours on a bike first thing in the morning, or doing an hour of heavy compound lifts approaching sets of 80% of your 1rm limit followed by an hour of sprinting hill intervals you're going to have better results.

With very heavy exercise, you actually hit a limit where you can't physically eat enough food to keep weight on.  Like you get tired of chewing, and your stomach is so full it hurts so you stop.

I think this is why a lot of people struggle with weight gain after high school, I know I did.

Your metabolism slows down (then stays flat for like 40 years) but you were used to 2 hour practices daily for three seasons and had the heating habits to match. Plus if you are in college you have access to unlimited food.

Also, the garbage food people hiking the Appalachian trail eat (I live near it) always cracks me up. No way they can replace what they burned daily + Budget + Trail magic makes for some funny looking dinners.

Near as I can figure, metabolism slow-down as you age is a myth.  It's ability to do work in the elderly that takes a hit.

I'm 44 now.  I noticed that at around 40, my ability to exercise as intensely and for as long dropped in a measurable way.  Based on my records, I require more recovery time than in the past after a hard effort, which limits my ability to go as hard.  Specifically:
- I cannot physically move the kind of weight that I used to at 30 when lifting.  The strength just isn't there any more.
- I can go the same distances at around the same times for cycling, but can't do it multiple days in a row like I used to. 

I don't think that my metabolism has really slowed down at all.  If I go for a 160km bike ride at a good pace, I am not able to eat and drink enough in two days to recover the weight that I lose.  Like, I'll still go home, crash in front of the couch, and eat an extra large pizza on my own with no weight gain.  My reduced recovery though, means that I can't do this multiple days back to back.  In my youth I would exercise pretty hard six or seven days a week.  Now, I need one day off a week, and one or two light days.  I need to moderate what I eat on the light and off days because of the reduced load.

So, if you measure and track time/distance or weight/reps and what you eat after doing them, you'll find that these are still around where they used to be.  But if you go by how hard it feels to do exercise then you'll find that you have to eat less because less and less exercise feels harder as you age.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2025, 08:44:39 AM »
You can absolutely exercise away a bad diet.  The intensity and duration of exercise required is well above what most are willing to endure though.

Like, if you think jogging for 45 minutes is going to exercise away several cheeseburgers . . . you're going to be disappointed.  If your idea of fun is holding around 85% max heart rate for five or six hours on a bike first thing in the morning, or doing an hour of heavy compound lifts approaching sets of 80% of your 1rm limit followed by an hour of sprinting hill intervals you're going to have better results.

With very heavy exercise, you actually hit a limit where you can't physically eat enough food to keep weight on.  Like you get tired of chewing, and your stomach is so full it hurts so you stop.

I think this is why a lot of people struggle with weight gain after high school, I know I did.

Your metabolism slows down (then stays flat for like 40 years) but you were used to 2 hour practices daily for three seasons and had the heating habits to match. Plus if you are in college you have access to unlimited food.

Also, the garbage food people hiking the Appalachian trail eat (I live near it) always cracks me up. No way they can replace what they burned daily + Budget + Trail magic makes for some funny looking dinners.

Part of the reason I stopped at the halfway point (263 miles, 17 days) of the Colorado Trail last year instead of completing it in one go was because of the drastic weight loss and horrible nutrition. I tried to eat well but you’re basically living on an assortment of pastes and powders. And dandelions, I ate tons of dandelions. I met a guy who was foraging and fishing. That would have been a much better way to go. But I came to realize that through-hiking is very unhealthy.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2025, 08:57:10 AM »
You can absolutely exercise away a bad diet.  The intensity and duration of exercise required is well above what most are willing to endure though.

Like, if you think jogging for 45 minutes is going to exercise away several cheeseburgers . . . you're going to be disappointed.  If your idea of fun is holding around 85% max heart rate for five or six hours on a bike first thing in the morning, or doing an hour of heavy compound lifts approaching sets of 80% of your 1rm limit followed by an hour of sprinting hill intervals you're going to have better results.

With very heavy exercise, you actually hit a limit where you can't physically eat enough food to keep weight on.  Like you get tired of chewing, and your stomach is so full it hurts so you stop.

I think this is why a lot of people struggle with weight gain after high school, I know I did.

Your metabolism slows down (then stays flat for like 40 years) but you were used to 2 hour practices daily for three seasons and had the heating habits to match. Plus if you are in college you have access to unlimited food.

Also, the garbage food people hiking the Appalachian trail eat (I live near it) always cracks me up. No way they can replace what they burned daily + Budget + Trail magic makes for some funny looking dinners.

Near as I can figure, metabolism slow-down as you age is a myth.  It's ability to do work in the elderly that takes a hit.

I'm 44 now.  I noticed that at around 40, my ability to exercise as intensely and for as long dropped in a measurable way.  Based on my records, I require more recovery time than in the past after a hard effort, which limits my ability to go as hard.  Specifically:
- I cannot physically move the kind of weight that I used to at 30 when lifting.  The strength just isn't there any more.
- I can go the same distances at around the same times for cycling, but can't do it multiple days in a row like I used to. 

I don't think that my metabolism has really slowed down at all.  If I go for a 160km bike ride at a good pace, I am not able to eat and drink enough in two days to recover the weight that I lose.  Like, I'll still go home, crash in front of the couch, and eat an extra large pizza on my own with no weight gain.  My reduced recovery though, means that I can't do this multiple days back to back.  In my youth I would exercise pretty hard six or seven days a week.  Now, I need one day off a week, and one or two light days.  I need to moderate what I eat on the light and off days because of the reduced load.

So, if you measure and track time/distance or weight/reps and what you eat after doing them, you'll find that these are still around where they used to be.  But if you go by how hard it feels to do exercise then you'll find that you have to eat less because less and less exercise feels harder as you age.

What’s really interesting about your observation is that longevity scientists aren’t sure what exactly motor units are, but know that you lose them over time. And you lose more with disuse, and you can’t get them back. That’s why explosive movement is critical. Also, fast movement and reaction time is brain/nervous system training. Your brain learns to be slower and can permanently lose that fast reaction time without practice.

Everyone is slightly different and one person may notice age-related changes in their 30s, other not till their 60s, others not till their 80s. But the trouble with an n=1 type of analysis is that so often we confound other factors with age. What are those factors? Disuse, lack of sleep, stress/cortisol, nutrition, motivation…

In my 20s-30s with young children I had back trouble and felt much older than I do now. In my 50s (knock on wood) I haven’t had back trouble in years, I feel fitter than ever, my VO2 max is that of someone decades younger, etc.

I do think it’s true that you need to prioritize recovery/rest the older you get, and also do your best to avoid injury. Fasting, which had been in fashion for a while for longevity and weight loss, is now falling out of favor because especially men will see a lot of muscle loss or at least lack of growth without enough daily nutrition.

This amazing guy I AM LONGEVITY on YouTube has recently been taking Peter Attia to task for exclusively focusing on VO2 max as a measure of longevity. His point is always you have to do ALL THE THINGS. Anything that you stop doing you will lose the ability to do — not always, but often, permanently.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #88 on: March 26, 2025, 09:02:03 AM »
You can absolutely exercise away a bad diet.  The intensity and duration of exercise required is well above what most are willing to endure though.

Like, if you think jogging for 45 minutes is going to exercise away several cheeseburgers . . . you're going to be disappointed.  If your idea of fun is holding around 85% max heart rate for five or six hours on a bike first thing in the morning, or doing an hour of heavy compound lifts approaching sets of 80% of your 1rm limit followed by an hour of sprinting hill intervals you're going to have better results.

With very heavy exercise, you actually hit a limit where you can't physically eat enough food to keep weight on.  Like you get tired of chewing, and your stomach is so full it hurts so you stop.

I think this is why a lot of people struggle with weight gain after high school, I know I did.

Your metabolism slows down (then stays flat for like 40 years) but you were used to 2 hour practices daily for three seasons and had the heating habits to match. Plus if you are in college you have access to unlimited food.

Also, the garbage food people hiking the Appalachian trail eat (I live near it) always cracks me up. No way they can replace what they burned daily + Budget + Trail magic makes for some funny looking dinners.

Near as I can figure, metabolism slow-down as you age is a myth.  It's ability to do work in the elderly that takes a hit.

I'm 44 now.  I noticed that at around 40, my ability to exercise as intensely and for as long dropped in a measurable way.  Based on my records, I require more recovery time than in the past after a hard effort, which limits my ability to go as hard.  Specifically:
- I cannot physically move the kind of weight that I used to at 30 when lifting.  The strength just isn't there any more.
- I can go the same distances at around the same times for cycling, but can't do it multiple days in a row like I used to. 

I don't think that my metabolism has really slowed down at all.  If I go for a 160km bike ride at a good pace, I am not able to eat and drink enough in two days to recover the weight that I lose.  Like, I'll still go home, crash in front of the couch, and eat an extra large pizza on my own with no weight gain.  My reduced recovery though, means that I can't do this multiple days back to back.  In my youth I would exercise pretty hard six or seven days a week.  Now, I need one day off a week, and one or two light days.  I need to moderate what I eat on the light and off days because of the reduced load.

So, if you measure and track time/distance or weight/reps and what you eat after doing them, you'll find that these are still around where they used to be.  But if you go by how hard it feels to do exercise then you'll find that you have to eat less because less and less exercise feels harder as you age.

Agreed, I thought I read somewhere it decreases around 20 then plateaus until 60s

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« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2025, 09:06:34 AM »
You can absolutely exercise away a bad diet.  The intensity and duration of exercise required is well above what most are willing to endure though.

Like, if you think jogging for 45 minutes is going to exercise away several cheeseburgers . . . you're going to be disappointed.  If your idea of fun is holding around 85% max heart rate for five or six hours on a bike first thing in the morning, or doing an hour of heavy compound lifts approaching sets of 80% of your 1rm limit followed by an hour of sprinting hill intervals you're going to have better results.

With very heavy exercise, you actually hit a limit where you can't physically eat enough food to keep weight on.  Like you get tired of chewing, and your stomach is so full it hurts so you stop.

I think this is why a lot of people struggle with weight gain after high school, I know I did.

Your metabolism slows down (then stays flat for like 40 years) but you were used to 2 hour practices daily for three seasons and had the heating habits to match. Plus if you are in college you have access to unlimited food.

Also, the garbage food people hiking the Appalachian trail eat (I live near it) always cracks me up. No way they can replace what they burned daily + Budget + Trail magic makes for some funny looking dinners.

Near as I can figure, metabolism slow-down as you age is a myth.  It's ability to do work in the elderly that takes a hit.

I'm 44 now.  I noticed that at around 40, my ability to exercise as intensely and for as long dropped in a measurable way.  Based on my records, I require more recovery time than in the past after a hard effort, which limits my ability to go as hard.  Specifically:
- I cannot physically move the kind of weight that I used to at 30 when lifting.  The strength just isn't there any more.
- I can go the same distances at around the same times for cycling, but can't do it multiple days in a row like I used to. 

I don't think that my metabolism has really slowed down at all.  If I go for a 160km bike ride at a good pace, I am not able to eat and drink enough in two days to recover the weight that I lose.  Like, I'll still go home, crash in front of the couch, and eat an extra large pizza on my own with no weight gain.  My reduced recovery though, means that I can't do this multiple days back to back.  In my youth I would exercise pretty hard six or seven days a week.  Now, I need one day off a week, and one or two light days.  I need to moderate what I eat on the light and off days because of the reduced load.

So, if you measure and track time/distance or weight/reps and what you eat after doing them, you'll find that these are still around where they used to be.  But if you go by how hard it feels to do exercise then you'll find that you have to eat less because less and less exercise feels harder as you age.

Agreed, I thought I read somewhere it decreases around 20 then plateaus until 60s

Yes, that’s the latest research. But beyond that, “metabolism” as a general concept is a red herring for improving your overall health. And “weight loss” is an actively damaging concept for improving your health.

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« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2025, 08:21:32 AM »
Just doing planks, squats, push up and pull ups and that is 90% of the muscles

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« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2025, 11:08:09 AM »
Just doing planks, squats, push up and pull ups and that is 90% of the muscles

I mean, sure, but pull ups take equipment and especially if you need assisted pull ups, which a lot of women do! I used to be able to do a couple of pull ups but that was after practicing with the assisted pull up machine at the gym until I saw that my app was calculating my 1 rep maximum as my body weight. Now that I've gained a bunch of weight (doing fertility treatments during a global pandemic that was coincidentally a year of family tragedy will really do that to you) it is simply out of the question. I have a neoprene barbell so I've been doing barbell rows as my "pull" exercise.

Maybe I should get one of those giant bands so I can do assisted chin ups at home- I do have a chin up bar- but they do look awkward...

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« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2025, 12:49:11 PM »
Just doing planks, squats, push up and pull ups and that is 90% of the muscles

I mean, sure, but pull ups take equipment and especially if you need assisted pull ups, which a lot of women do! I used to be able to do a couple of pull ups but that was after practicing with the assisted pull up machine at the gym until I saw that my app was calculating my 1 rep maximum as my body weight. Now that I've gained a bunch of weight (doing fertility treatments during a global pandemic that was coincidentally a year of family tragedy will really do that to you) it is simply out of the question. I have a neoprene barbell so I've been doing barbell rows as my "pull" exercise.

Maybe I should get one of those giant bands so I can do assisted chin ups at home- I do have a chin up bar- but they do look awkward...

I have a pull up bar in the kitchen doorway (because teens) and while I can do pull-ups unassisted, the way to get there is to do negatives. You can stand on a chair, hold on in the top position, and gradually drop down using your muscles as much as possible to go down slowly. It’s also an amazing stretch to just hang there. More advanced stretch is hang from one hand, then the other. You don’t have to fully hang either, can be on a chair.

Another concept for getting unassisted pull-ups is something called greasing the groove. Basically you are rehearsing the movement slowly, standing on a chair or stool or milk crate if necessary to take weight off.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2025, 01:21:30 PM »
Just doing planks, squats, push up and pull ups and that is 90% of the muscles

I mean, sure, but pull ups take equipment and especially if you need assisted pull ups, which a lot of women do! I used to be able to do a couple of pull ups but that was after practicing with the assisted pull up machine at the gym until I saw that my app was calculating my 1 rep maximum as my body weight. Now that I've gained a bunch of weight (doing fertility treatments during a global pandemic that was coincidentally a year of family tragedy will really do that to you) it is simply out of the question. I have a neoprene barbell so I've been doing barbell rows as my "pull" exercise.

Maybe I should get one of those giant bands so I can do assisted chin ups at home- I do have a chin up bar- but they do look awkward...

I have a pull up bar in the kitchen doorway (because teens) and while I can do pull-ups unassisted, the way to get there is to do negatives. You can stand on a chair, hold on in the top position, and gradually drop down using your muscles as much as possible to go down slowly. It’s also an amazing stretch to just hang there. More advanced stretch is hang from one hand, then the other. You don’t have to fully hang either, can be on a chair.

Another concept for getting unassisted pull-ups is something called greasing the groove. Basically you are rehearsing the movement slowly, standing on a chair or stool or milk crate if necessary to take weight off.

Second the concept of negatives.  I've helped several people develop the strength to do pull-ups from being able to to zero to 10+.  All started with them holding the bar, jumping as high as they can go, and slowing the descent.  You don't need special equipment.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #94 on: March 30, 2025, 03:30:06 PM »
It is actually pretty crazy how far some body weight exercises will go

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2025, 04:07:32 PM »
Just doing planks, squats, push up and pull ups and that is 90% of the muscles

I mean, sure, but pull ups take equipment and especially if you need assisted pull ups, which a lot of women do! I used to be able to do a couple of pull ups but that was after practicing with the assisted pull up machine at the gym until I saw that my app was calculating my 1 rep maximum as my body weight. Now that I've gained a bunch of weight (doing fertility treatments during a global pandemic that was coincidentally a year of family tragedy will really do that to you) it is simply out of the question. I have a neoprene barbell so I've been doing barbell rows as my "pull" exercise.

Maybe I should get one of those giant bands so I can do assisted chin ups at home- I do have a chin up bar- but they do look awkward...

I have a pull up bar in the kitchen doorway (because teens) and while I can do pull-ups unassisted, the way to get there is to do negatives. You can stand on a chair, hold on in the top position, and gradually drop down using your muscles as much as possible to go down slowly. It’s also an amazing stretch to just hang there. More advanced stretch is hang from one hand, then the other. You don’t have to fully hang either, can be on a chair.

Another concept for getting unassisted pull-ups is something called greasing the groove. Basically you are rehearsing the movement slowly, standing on a chair or stool or milk crate if necessary to take weight off.

Second the concept of negatives.  I've helped several people develop the strength to do pull-ups from being able to to zero to 10+.  All started with them holding the bar, jumping as high as they can go, and slowing the descent.  You don't need special equipment.

Fine, fine, I did some damn negatives. IMO the pull up bar IS special equipment! Our house has no place it can be permanently installed and it also cannot be conveniently stored due to our house being an older one with limited storage and quite small for our family size. I drug it out of the basement and up the stairs and hung it from the bathroom doorframe upstairs. I can't jump that high so I had to stand on a stool and have my teenage son move it for me as I descended (additional logistical challenge).

I did exactly 3, in place of one of my sets of barbell rows. At my age (44), I am cautious of injury. Did not enjoy but at least it was something different! The teenager did two sets of negatives.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2025, 06:03:18 PM »
Just doing planks, squats, push up and pull ups and that is 90% of the muscles

I mean, sure, but pull ups take equipment and especially if you need assisted pull ups, which a lot of women do! I used to be able to do a couple of pull ups but that was after practicing with the assisted pull up machine at the gym until I saw that my app was calculating my 1 rep maximum as my body weight. Now that I've gained a bunch of weight (doing fertility treatments during a global pandemic that was coincidentally a year of family tragedy will really do that to you) it is simply out of the question. I have a neoprene barbell so I've been doing barbell rows as my "pull" exercise.

Maybe I should get one of those giant bands so I can do assisted chin ups at home- I do have a chin up bar- but they do look awkward...

I have a pull up bar in the kitchen doorway (because teens) and while I can do pull-ups unassisted, the way to get there is to do negatives. You can stand on a chair, hold on in the top position, and gradually drop down using your muscles as much as possible to go down slowly. It’s also an amazing stretch to just hang there. More advanced stretch is hang from one hand, then the other. You don’t have to fully hang either, can be on a chair.

Another concept for getting unassisted pull-ups is something called greasing the groove. Basically you are rehearsing the movement slowly, standing on a chair or stool or milk crate if necessary to take weight off.

Second the concept of negatives.  I've helped several people develop the strength to do pull-ups from being able to to zero to 10+.  All started with them holding the bar, jumping as high as they can go, and slowing the descent.  You don't need special equipment.

Fine, fine, I did some damn negatives. IMO the pull up bar IS special equipment! Our house has no place it can be permanently installed and it also cannot be conveniently stored due to our house being an older one with limited storage and quite small for our family size. I drug it out of the basement and up the stairs and hung it from the bathroom doorframe upstairs. I can't jump that high so I had to stand on a stool and have my teenage son move it for me as I descended (additional logistical challenge).

I did exactly 3, in place of one of my sets of barbell rows. At my age (44), I am cautious of injury. Did not enjoy but at least it was something different! The teenager did two sets of negatives.

Awesome! Yeah it’s ugly, ours is in the kitchen doorway in our 100+year old house. Older kid took it away when they moved out, but I missed how ugly it looked and now we have it back! Like I said I use it to stretch a lot too.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #97 on: April 05, 2025, 11:01:43 AM »


Awesome! Yeah it’s ugly, ours is in the kitchen doorway in our 100+year old house. Older kid took it away when they moved out, but I missed how ugly it looked and now we have it back! Like I said I use it to stretch a lot too.

I wish we had anywhere that we could leave it up most of the time! Our only framed doorways are bedrooms and bathrooms that need to be closed regularly. Before we had the cuckoo, we left it up in the doorway to her room sometimes, which was my Covid office. But I think that if I just get in the habit of getting it out, installing it, and putting it away after, it won't feel so burdensome.

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #98 on: April 08, 2025, 05:48:30 AM »
Could you install a bar permanently in the basement somewhere?  You'd get the added benefit of adding a stair climb every time you went to do pullups.  If you're feeling spicy, you could install the bar with a length of chain supporting each side to bring it lower for you to reach, as well as for the bonus challenge of instability (serious, not joking).

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Re: Walking and weight loss
« Reply #99 on: April 08, 2025, 05:57:56 AM »
.There are many undeniable health advantages to regular exercising, but weight loss isn't really one of them unless you fix the underlying metabolic issues... as high-fat diet advocate Vinnie Tortorich likes to say: "exercise is a poor way to lose weight."

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