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Using Minivan for Hauling
« on: February 02, 2017, 09:13:18 PM »
I'm considering a used minivan purchase to replace two vehicles, wondering about options. I know some minivans can carry sheets of 4x8 plywood, and I have seen some info on other forums via asking the internets but I'm wondering if anyone on this forum has specifics, pros/cons of hauling construction materials in a minivan. How much can they carry? Does the back hatch need to stay open/tied down? How bad do materials jack up the inside of the car etc. What have you carried? How about gardening materials i.e. mulch?

Anything would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2017, 09:41:18 PM »
Been doing this for years. Make sure you check the trim level of the used van to make sure it fits the 4x8 sheet.  I know in the past, there were some shorter van options. Stay away from those.

I've hauled anything from plywood and drywall, to lumber, flooring, concrete board, tools, furniture, landscape material, bags of dirt and stone, trash, and a lot of people. I know I have loaded more than the max capacity in the past, but never had any issues.

In addition, there usually is no issue with 10 or 12 foot material, set on the dashboard, and getting the gate closed.  Careful closing it though!  Don't shove a 2x through the windshield.  I have done 16' before, but you need to Keep it out the back or through the front window.

As for keeping them in decent shape, always keep moving blankets around. Cover the floors and side panels and be careful loading items.  While minivans are amazing, this isn't a truck bed.  Bulk loose materials can also be problematic. 

I've gone through 3 minivans in my time, and my dad, who showed me the awesomeness and is still doing fun remodeling projects, is on his 4th minivan.  He wears those things out on miles before the interior goes.

Speaking of his adventures, he got the towing package on one of his vans and had routinely hauled a closed trailer to NY and FL moving materials and furniture for his projects.

Alas, I don't have a minivan right now, and have missed having one every day since. If I do get one, I will only get one with stow n go seating for the 2nd and 3rd row.  This leaves the only options as Chrysler products, I believe after 2008.   While Honda makes an outstanding vehicle, it's a deal breaker not having stow n go.  If you plan on using the vehicle for people hauling more often than stuff moving, you don't "need" stow n go, but in my experience, taking out and storing the seats is a royal pain in the rear.  Plus on multiple occasions, we have switched from all seats down to needing additional seat capacity while on the same trip.  You aren't doing that without stow n go.

In all, the minivan will dominate most other vehicles for storage capacity.  It has on numerous occasions hauled more than a pickup truck and any SUV.  And you can close the gate and lock the entire vehicle and keep your materials out of the elements.  And if I hear the damn argument about "just put the cap on the back of the truck" thing, guess what?  You have to store that damn cap if you want to use the bed for bulk, and good luck getting people to sit in the back bed legally with it on.  If you put a cap on a truck bed, you drive around in an SUV with no seats and less hauling volume. 

Minivan for the win.



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Re: Using Minivan for Hauling
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 09:47:05 PM »
You might also consider the cheap 4x8 Harbor Freight trailer - I bought mine on sale and used a coupon, was about $200

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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 09:51:54 PM »
You might also consider the cheap 4x8 Harbor Freight trailer - I bought mine on sale and used a coupon, was about $200

I've considered that for before I get my next van, but I don't have space to store it.  Storage of all this stuff can be an issue.  In the meantime, I've rented uhaul trailers, or paid for deliveries for really big projects.


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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 10:07:40 PM »
Thanks PB for the extensive answer.

You might also consider the cheap 4x8 Harbor Freight trailer - I bought mine on sale and used a coupon, was about $200

I have thought about this. The truck I use only has a bumper hitch, so I would be thinking of spending another $200 or so on a mount.

New tires probably would be a good idea. And the truck isn't very good in the snow. Well, stopping anyway. And I forgot to mention it smells like mouse piss too. But it does work and is paid for.

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 11:20:08 PM »
You might also consider the cheap 4x8 Harbor Freight trailer - I bought mine on sale and used a coupon, was about $200
This is my plan. Then I don't have to drive around in a minivan, can sell the pickup that I was using for construction projects, and still haul stuff I need to. Everyone has different needs, however.

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2017, 04:30:24 AM »
Thanks PB for the extensive answer.

You might also consider the cheap 4x8 Harbor Freight trailer - I bought mine on sale and used a coupon, was about $200

I have thought about this. The truck I use only has a bumper hitch, so I would be thinking of spending another $200 or so on a mount.

New tires probably would be a good idea. And the truck isn't very good in the snow. Well, stopping anyway. And I forgot to mention it smells like mouse piss too. But it does work and is paid for.

What truck?  I have a bumper hitch also and I can have a tongue weight of 350 pounds.  What is your hauling weight per the truck specs.  ALSO, Harbor Freight has folding trailers (flatbeds) so you CAN store one in your garage, up against a wall, on its side.

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2017, 05:00:11 AM »
Harbor freight has a fold up trailer that basically leans up against a wall.  I knew a guy that built a whole house using a mid sizes SUV and a fold up harbor freight trailer.  He even hauled trusses with it.  I am not saying it is the best way to go but it can be done.

I just got done building a screened in porch using my minivan to haul.  I was able to get 12' boards in and hauled 10' boards often.  I also did the flashing on my pole barn and those pieces were 12'.  I cut up my dashboard with those because I didn't put anything under them.  It isn't that noticeable but I should have known better.  I put a hitch on the van which was cheap and the Toyota vans are already prepped for a tow hitch.  It cost me a couple hundred dollars for the hitch and the light kit.  I haven't bought a trailer yet but I figured better safe then sorry.

Next I am going to see what it will take to haul longer boards on the roof.  I have seen it done but I don't want to half ass it at the lumber yard and have a miserable trip home.  I don't think it is that complicated but want to have a plan before attempting. 

I think minivans are unbelievably useful especially if you have young kids.  My wife adamantly fought buying a minivan and I got an SUV.  It was horrible.  Guzzled gas, step in height was high, space wasn't great, and it was huge.   After 2 years I begged her to sit in a minivan and she hasn't looked back since.

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2017, 08:04:47 AM »
+1 on the T&C. Highly versatile because of stow-and-go. I've done lots of plywood. I've done a lot of tile but have broken it up into two trips on occasion rather than test the capacity (We're talking 800-1000 square feet of tile.)

Unless you're towing something -- and I never do -- it's more versatile than a pick-up for generally less price. I put on 5K running events and I've packed it full with boxes of T-shirts, road signs and cones, cases of bottled water, etc. I also do a lot of stand-up paddleboarding and it's the best vehicle to haul boards (on the roof); pickups generally are worthless for that.

And, of course, you can put the seats up and haul six other people around. 

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2017, 08:32:06 AM »
How much can they carry?

Less than you think.  I think a lot of them have a payload capacity of 1000-1500 lbs, depending on trim and configuration.  That's not much if you're hauling construction material.  That's, oh, 50 cinder blocks, tops.  If you weight nothing and the fuel tank is empty.

Plenty of people overload them, but just because it fits, does not mean you're within the vehicle weight limits.

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Does the back hatch need to stay open/tied down?

It depends on the van.  Keep bungee cords in one of the rear cargo storage bins to hold it down, and if you're running with the liftgate partially up, run the vents in "outside air" mode, full blower, to help reduce exhaust gas intake.

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How about gardening materials i.e. mulch?

It carries bags of them just fine! :)

If you're going to carry bulk... get a trailer.

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Re: Using Minivan for Hauling
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2017, 08:41:34 AM »
What truck?  I have a bumper hitch also and I can have a tongue weight of 350 pounds.  What is your hauling weight per the truck specs.  ALSO, Harbor Freight has folding trailers (flatbeds) so you CAN store one in your garage, up against a wall, on its side.

1974 Dodge D100. I don't really like bumper hitches for a handful of reasons, but besides those the truck needs new tires, new springs/shocks, transmission rebuild/overhaul, and I'm not willing to do those at this point. Also like others, I don't want to store a trailer, folding or no.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2017, 08:49:57 AM »
I have an 07 Honda Odyssey and I believe I can haul around 8 full sheets of 3/4" plywood with the front seats still slid all the way back and the back door fully latched. I've done more but it requires sliding the front seats forward and bungee strapping the rear gate closed. It's a tight fit with the plastic paneling in the back, too tight for putting a blanket inbetween so there is some scuffing that can happen if you aren't careful but I'm utilitarian with my vehicles so I really don't care. I can also haul quite a bit of 10' lumber down the center with the little table between the driver and passenger seat flipped down. Eventually you get high enough you start getting into the dash though.

The one big advantage minivans have over trailers is that I can haul my materials in all weather without tarps and I don't have to worry about making other stops and having people steal stuff since with a minivan it can be locked up. Most big box home improvement stores have overhangs to keep you dry while you load things so I can pop down and get a half dozen sheets of drywall in the pouring rain and never worry about a tarp. I like that I can throw my tools in the back of the minivan overnight and lock it up so I don't have to load and unload them twice a day into a trailer. The biggest advantage is that my construction material hauler also doubles as a people carrier so when we have extras, we can all go in the same vehicle. My guests might object to being told they have to ride in a trailer.

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2017, 11:56:57 AM »
Those folding trailers look perfect. Are they as usable and convenient as they seem?

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2017, 12:34:37 PM »
I used one of the HF folding trailers to haul a road racing motorcycle back and forth to the race track for a couple (pre-mustachian) years.  Seemed pretty darn good to me.  I built it with an extra thick plywood floor for added stability.  I didn't fold and unfold it often, it was a pain and I had enough storage space that I didn't bother, but it could be done.

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2017, 12:39:57 PM »
I was gifted a 2003 Dodge Grand Caravan Sport a few years ago. I took it (it was free) reluctantly. My wife drives it. I have hauled 10 foot boards in there. Also a dishwasher and a washing machine. You can fit two kids and all the shit you have to bring along no problem.  Another thing is it makes travel with longer rides with kids super comfortable. Seems smarter than a wagon or definitely SUV. Hardest part is accepting reaching the stage of life where you drive a minivan.

If a tree fell on it I would go out and buy a new one tomorrow. 

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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2017, 03:53:20 PM »
I used one of the HF folding trailers to haul a road racing motorcycle back and forth to the race track for a couple (pre-mustachian) years.  Seemed pretty darn good to me.  I built it with an extra thick plywood floor for added stability.  I didn't fold and unfold it often, it was a pain and I had enough storage space that I didn't bother, but it could be done.
I was afraid it would be more of a pain than it looked. I too have enough room, not sure if I should spring for a regular or folding version though.

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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2017, 05:16:11 PM »

If a tree fell on it I would go out and buy a new one tomorrow.

This times 1000.

Sorry if your ego won't let you own a minivan I think you might need to work on your ego!

Minivans are the most flexible vehicle on earth, they are cheap, they are fuel efficient compared to most in their class. They are Gods gift to families and their utility simply cannot be overstated.

I mean sure they might not be able to handle 4,000 pounds of material, but don't you spring for the $100 delivery fee to not have to load all that yourself?

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2017, 06:39:23 PM »
It depends. I don't have one because another FWD vehicle isn't useful. The car handles person transport, and the truck handles stuff transport and person transport when the car can't make it out of the driveway. Which, this winter, was several weeks worth.

And we go a lot of places a car can't get when camping.

Just, please, pay attention to gross vehicle weight.

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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2017, 11:53:52 AM »
Owned several minivans over the years and Grand Caravan had the biggest rear area of all of them I've owned. Could haul 4x8 sheets with the hatch closed. Just be careful of putting too much weight in the back as they aren't built to handle heavy loads like cargo vans and trucks are.

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2017, 01:33:16 PM »
Curious because I don't know, does the GVW depend on mostly the frame, or could you beef up a minivans suspension and tires to allow for heavier loads? Just for discussions sake.

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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2017, 03:04:22 PM »
Curious because I don't know, does the GVW depend on mostly the frame, or could you beef up a minivans suspension and tires to allow for heavier loads? Just for discussions sake.

As not-the-manufacturer, nothing you do can affect the GVWR and even upgrading things won't change that.

Usually, it's a combination of suspension (bottoming out being an issue), brakes, and general design strength.  You can exceed it, at your own risk, and at the risk of insurance not covering you in an accident, but I generally don't recommend it.

They're just not the right vehicles for hauling a lot of heavy material.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2017, 08:50:53 PM »
I was looking at this
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/03/chrysler-unveils-minivan-as-ram-delivery-truck/1#.WJfxoRsrKUk
didn't know there was such a thing

but it doesn't seem to have much more carrying capacity than a regular minivan.

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2017, 11:57:58 PM »
Dodge Grand Caravan.  Single best construction haul vehicle there is...
Washer AND Dryer, AND two kids with you.
or TWO pallets worth of electric bike parts (in boxes).

Note - low bed for loading, which I liked.   I hated using the upper rack and we eventually bought a trailer / hitch, too.


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« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2017, 02:33:53 AM »
Dodge Grand Caravan.  Single best construction haul vehicle there is...
Washer AND Dryer, AND two kids with you.
or TWO pallets worth of electric bike parts (in boxes).

Note - low bed for loading, which I liked.   I hated using the upper rack and we eventually bought a trailer / hitch, too.
This, plus what Grande said above. I drove a 2006 Dodge Grand Caravan for a company car and hauled shit around in it all the time, including 4'x'8 foam core mounted graphics that had to lay flat. Much more finicky than sheets of plywood, which also fit easily. When it was time to turn it in, I sold it to my sister. It now has 200,500 miles on it.

Instead of getting a brand new company car, I scrounged around in the fleet and found a 2007 DGC with a slightly bigger engine and only 30k miles that was about to age out of the fleet. I convinced them to let me have it. When the company car program was eventually scrapped, I bought it. It was a workhorse as well. I reluctantly sold it at about 132,000k when DH, who does all the repairs, insisted it was time. Both were V6's and were equipped with beefed up suspensions and towing packages from the factory. I know they don't have a great reputation, but I loved those vans to pieces. They had plenty of power and could haul endless amounts of shit and/or passengers. Oh, almost forgot: the "Stow & Go" seats were the bomb!

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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2017, 07:08:50 PM »
Someone asked about GVWR. A little bit of everything goes into GVWR - frame strength (or body strength, if it's a unibody, as minivans are), spring rates, braking capacity, tire ratings, and so on. The only one of those you have any real control over is the tires.

Anyway, I do think that minivans are fantastic. Not so much to drive, but their usability and value are unbeatable. If you carry people as well as stuff, I think RT Chrysler minivans are hard to beat from a functional perspective (if not from a quality one), as you can fold all seats into the floor in under 5 minutes.

If you don't mind, or even seek out, something a bit different, and your stuff-hauling needs include 4-8 sheets of things but not too much weight, OG full-size station wagons (e.g. big GM wagons through the mid-90s) will in nearly all cases fit 4-8 sheets inside with the tailgate closed.


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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2017, 07:17:06 PM »
Or if you haul enough, regularly, and need 4WD, a truck. :)

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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2017, 08:36:25 PM »
Or if you haul enough, regularly, and need 4WD, a truck. :)

But...but... but can you haul that much AND 6 people squished uncomfortably together in that truck? I mean, this seems to be reasonable thing Americans expect of their vehicle...

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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2017, 10:51:39 PM »
My truck fits 6 comfortably...

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2017, 12:18:52 AM »
My truck fits 6 comfortably...
Nice....

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2017, 12:48:40 AM »
My truck fits 6 comfortably...
So does ours, but I still miss my Dodge Grand Caravans.

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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2017, 12:07:47 PM »
My truck fits 6 comfortably...
Nice....

I know "truck" is seen as a dirty word on these forums, but sometimes they're the right tool for the job.  As long as it's getting used as a truck regularly and not as a commuter vehicle, I don't see the problem with using one.

And most of them are designed for hauling heavy things, so you're not exceeding gross vehicle weight when full.

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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2017, 12:26:26 PM »
My truck fits 6 comfortably...
Nice....

I know "truck" is seen as a dirty word on these forums, but sometimes they're the right tool for the job.  As long as it's getting used as a truck regularly and not as a commuter vehicle, I don't see the problem with using one.

And most of them are designed for hauling heavy things, so you're not exceeding gross vehicle weight when full.
Amen!

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2017, 01:58:17 PM »
Thought about this this morning.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2017, 02:16:22 PM »
Yeah... the first screams "I don't ever use my bed!"

Between the stacks taking space and the bed height, it's mostly useless back there.

Another nice thing with having a truck that's mostly used as a truck is that parking matters less, so crew cab/long bed is more doable.

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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2017, 05:07:56 PM »
Or if you haul enough, regularly, and need 4WD, a truck. :)

But...but... but can you haul that much AND 6 people squished uncomfortably together in that truck? I mean, this seems to be reasonable thing Americans expect of their vehicle...

Hey,  We took the Grand Caravan on many logging roads (marked 4x4) to get to the camping sites.   There were very few locations where I would drive previously with the Jeep that the GC would not handle, albeit more slowly.   It really helps when your vehicle is 9+ year old, in terms of where one is willing to take it.

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2017, 04:41:56 PM »
For the record, I don't think crew cabs are very practical. If a truck isn't hauling something in the back, it doesn't make sense to me. Not for hauling people, but I still understand why it makes more sense to have the crew cab to haul people and stuff at the same time.

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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2017, 05:20:56 PM »
For the record, I don't think crew cabs are very practical. If a truck isn't hauling something in the back, it doesn't make sense to me. Not for hauling people, but I still understand why it makes more sense to have the crew cab to haul people and stuff at the same time.

It depends on what you're using it for.  Our truck is the "lots of people transport" as it can fit 6 comfortably, is the stuff hauler, and is also the "is more likely to get out of the driveway" vehicle in the winter.  We spent quite a few weeks where the truck and my motorcycle were the only things getting out of the driveway, and the motorcycle was iffy (Ural, sidecar, 2WD).  So, yeah, my wife & daughter took the truck places.  It's not ideal from a fuel and maintenance perspective, but it's better than them being stuck at home for weeks on end.  Which, towards the end of the winter, was the other option.

If you're planning to do longer distance camping/towing, a crew cab lets you put stuff inside the cab as well.  With a 5th wheel hitch, there's not much room for other stuff in the bed.

It's just more flexible, and that I don't really fit in parking spaces doesn't bug me much given how rarely it gets driven to such places.

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« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2017, 01:52:22 AM »
Or if you haul enough, regularly, and need 4WD, a truck. :)

But...but... but can you haul that much AND 6 people squished uncomfortably together in that truck? I mean, this seems to be reasonable thing Americans expect of their vehicle...

Hey,  We took the Grand Caravan on many logging roads (marked 4x4) to get to the camping sites.   There were very few locations where I would drive previously with the Jeep that the GC would not handle, albeit more slowly.   It really helps when your vehicle is 9+ year old, in terms of where one is willing to take it.
I have ridden with people who drive vehicles like this down roads that I wouldn't take an ATV down. It can be done. It won't be done by me.

 

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