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« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2016, 11:54:02 AM »
I climb and ski in remote places and I'm contemplating getting a SPOT.  If I understand it correctly you can get an optional service that allows you to sent short text messages (non-emergency).   A friend uses this for solo trips to send in his location to his SO for reassurance and when he has to divert from a planned route.

Some other friends had one last summer when on a peak a party member got severely injured by rockfall - very handy.

Then there are the folks in Canyonlands NP who activated their SPOT - twice - because they were running low on water!!

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« Reply #51 on: February 29, 2016, 11:54:40 AM »


I'd call that a hobo stove!  BTUs are BTUs so you won't save any weight on fuel, you probably need more since I'm guessing it burns less efficiently.  Can is definitely lighter though....I'll give you that much.

There have been studies done on the weight of alcohol stoves + fuel compared to the weight of canister stoves and white gas stoves.  The tipping point is typically around the 7-8 day mark for a trip...alcohol (hobo/cat food) stoves are overall lighter on shorter trips and it eventually tips to canister stoves being lighter as you get out towards a week without resupply.

Can you point to any of the studies?  I'm curious as to their reasoning.  My guess is it's proportional to the amount of fuel you have to carry since a short trip wouldn't require much fuel and the weight of the stove itself would be the overriding factor.  As you have to carry more fuel then it balances out and eventually the white gas stove is a better trade-off.  That would make sense to me.

You're pretty much right on.  Here's a good article about the topic.  http://www.pmags.com/stove-comparison-real-world-use

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« Reply #52 on: February 29, 2016, 12:04:39 PM »
I live very close to the PCT. Every late summer/early fall when the north bounders come thru people invariably are stuck in the mountains surrounded by snow they 'didn't expect' and they don't have any way to contact anyone and don't have the necessary gear to hike themselves out.

I didn't say it couldn't be done. It is hard. And most people that I see don't actually have all 10 essentials. They've made some compromises. And even seasoned backpackers (they've gone 1000 miles + on the PCT already) get screwed once they make it to Washington. I am friends with SAR members here. Some of the rescues are just comical. And we have lots of fatalities here, too. If people had possessed a SPOT device or even a compass, they could have been saved or hiked their way out.

Most of the time leaving something important behind just leaves to a miserable day or two or a hungry day or two. Sometimes it's worse. I am not anti-UL. But I think too many people have jumped on the bandwagon without thoroughly thinking about all possible circumstances.

It's actually quite easy, going for a walk isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. It's pretty easy to get all 10 essential below ten pounds with basic internet research these days. Most of the rangers I've met in parks seem rather luke warm to the idea of the SPOT messenger so I'm surprised you insist it be taken. Most of the rangers I've met seem to feel that people use it too soon or that people back home go crazy if a day goes by without a message. That said I usually do bring one when I'm going somewhere I've never been before. In Alaska and Yukon I also brought a personal locator beacon and still had a 13lb base weight (brought along a camera, camp shoes, kindle, gps and beefier compass as well).

Going for a walk or doing serious backpacking? There's a difference.

To the conversation with the ranger, what state do you live in? I'm just curious. Most SAR folks I know would rather have people use their SPOT too soon than end up dead. An early rescue is better than no rescue at all. Yes, there are financial implications and there are always idiots that use it because they can't be bothered to read the high tide charts, etc. And to the second point, that's silly. You have to have a conversation with the person you are texting. Plans often change in the mountains depending on weather and trail conditions. Having a way to send a change of plans to the person back at home is important in the case of a real emergency. 

As far as bear spray is concerned... not a 10 essential in my book at all and potentially not very helpful if a bear is in your tent anyway.

Going on a backpacking trip without planning for the terrain and weather you expect to encounter is flat out stupid and potentially dangerous.  But I think way too many people equate "ultralight" with "no planning, hope everything goes perfectly".  You can be ultralight AND be prepared for the situation you're going to encounter...these are not in any way mutually exclusive.  Sure, there are people who will be unprepared, but it's not true that all ultralighters are taking excessive risk.

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #53 on: February 29, 2016, 12:12:31 PM »
I climb and ski in remote places and I'm contemplating getting a SPOT.  If I understand it correctly you can get an optional service that allows you to sent short text messages (non-emergency).   A friend uses this for solo trips to send in his location to his SO for reassurance and when he has to divert from a planned route.

Some other friends had one last summer when on a peak a party member got severely injured by rockfall - very handy.

Then there are the folks in Canyonlands NP who activated their SPOT - twice - because they were running low on water!!

My understanding is that a SPOT is good for sending messages to family and such, while a PLB is better for when the SHTF. PLB is directly linked with SAR.

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« Reply #54 on: February 29, 2016, 01:59:09 PM »
Light (or ultralight) backpacking as a metaphor for FIRE is totally applicable.  The same process of optimization applies.  Just as with finance, there is also the infinite continuum of choices and outcomes. 

In hiking, I phrase it as balancing the desired comfort at camp versus on the trail.  A person who likes camping, for whom hiking is something you just have to do to get to the camp site, will optimize toward a heavier pack that provides for the more enjoyable camp experience - bigger tent, more comfortable sleeping pad, camp luxuries like a French Press, etc.  For the opposite person, one for whom camping is merely the act of sleeping in between hiking sessions, the minimal camp gear to provide the required shelter, food, etc is all they should take.  Of course, there is an infinite series of options between the two, and it all depends on the individual to figure out what is right for THEM, in THEIR unique circumstances.

First off, let me say that light / ultra light is not necessarily more expensive.  Like everything in life, it depends.  For example, the best light weight rain gear in my opinion is a poncho.  Not the 3 dollar kind, but a solid coated nylon that REI has for about $30.  This is lighter, less expensive and far more effective than even the cheapest "breathable" rain jacket.  As a bonus, it also covers your pack, keeping your gear dry as well.  Will a person spend more on a high quality down sleeping bag?  Yes....but in the context of "buy it for life" the boots as metaphor for poor / cheap, frugal / value context, spending a bit extra to buy a high quality down bag the first time will provide a high quality product that, if cared for, will last decades and be the better overall value than a crap bag that needs to be replaced frequently.  The bag I carried on my PCT thru hike in the mid 00's is still going strong as an example of the value proposition of quality.

OK, on to the light hiking / FIRE metaphor:

Both are impacted by positive feedback loops.  In FIRE, every dollar not spent moves from the spending side to the savings side of the savings rate equation.  As we all know from Jacob at ERE and the Shockingly Simple Math, it's all about the savings RATE.  Eliminating $100 in monthly spending both reduces the need for savings to generate the income to support said $100 of spending AND adds to the savings at the same time. 

I use this example to illustrate this effect to the unwashed masses:  Say you're trying to save up that 6 months of emergency fund.  If you save 10%, how long will it take (neglect interest / investment gains to simplify the math)?  Well, for each time increment, I'm spending $9 and saving $1 (the 10% savings, therefore 90% spending), therefore it will take 9 time increments to save up 1 time increment of money.  Therefore it will take 9 increments x 6 months = 54 months, or 4 1/2 years to save up a 6 month emergency fund.  If instead you figure out how to become more efficient on the spending (lower cost cell plan, cut back / eliminate cable, right size the housing, etc) and can save 20%, how long will it take?  It only takes 4 time units to save 1 time increment of expenses (spend 80 / save 20 = 4 / 1).  4 increments x 6 months = 24 months or 2 years ....less than half the time, but only by saving 2x as much.  Note the non-linear, positive feedback effect.

The same positive feedback with non-linear improvements occurs in hiking gear.  The heavier ones gear is, the heavier it needs to be.  The corollary is also true - light gear enables light gear. 

Think of it this way - if you choose a bulky heavy tent (bulk and weight are usually correlated in hiking gear), sleeping bag, thick heavy sleeping pad, white gas stove, big multi-tool of a knife, stainless steel pot, rain parka, pack cover, etc, etc, etc you need a big bulky heavy pack to haul all that shit, adding still more weight.  With all that, you'll also need additional foot and ankle support....heavier footwear.  And be moving slower with all that weight....so need more food and water, further adding to the load, further slowing you down.

OTOH, a compact light shelter, high grade compact packing sleeping bag, light foam pad, soda can or light cartridge stove, titanium or aluminum right sized cook pot, poncho, etc ENABLES a smaller, lighter weight pack.  With the lighter load on ones back, a hiker can get by with lighter, more comfortable and less fatiguing foot wear.  All of this enables a hiker to, with equal effort, cover more miles in a day thereby reducing food load for the planned hike distance.  Given distance between water sources are covered more quickly, thereby reducing the amount of water that must be carried, further reducing carried weight. 

Note the positive feed backs - compact and light gear ENABLES other compact and light gear.  Heavy and bulky REQUIRES other heavy or bulky gear.

FIRE:  The more you spend (lower savings rate) the more you must save / invest to have enough income to support the spending and the exponentially longer it will take due to the lower savings rate.  The less you spend, the exponentially faster you can get to FI due to the combination of less required savings / investments to support the low spending and the higher savings rate.

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #55 on: February 29, 2016, 02:42:28 PM »
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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #56 on: February 29, 2016, 03:34:39 PM »
I live very close to the PCT. Every late summer/early fall when the north bounders come thru people invariably are stuck in the mountains surrounded by snow they 'didn't expect' and they don't have any way to contact anyone and don't have the necessary gear to hike themselves out.

I didn't say it couldn't be done. It is hard. And most people that I see don't actually have all 10 essentials. They've made some compromises. And even seasoned backpackers (they've gone 1000 miles + on the PCT already) get screwed once they make it to Washington. I am friends with SAR members here. Some of the rescues are just comical. And we have lots of fatalities here, too. If people had possessed a SPOT device or even a compass, they could have been saved or hiked their way out.

Most of the time leaving something important behind just leaves to a miserable day or two or a hungry day or two. Sometimes it's worse. I am not anti-UL. But I think too many people have jumped on the bandwagon without thoroughly thinking about all possible circumstances.

It's actually quite easy, going for a walk isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. It's pretty easy to get all 10 essential below ten pounds with basic internet research these days. Most of the rangers I've met in parks seem rather luke warm to the idea of the SPOT messenger so I'm surprised you insist it be taken. Most of the rangers I've met seem to feel that people use it too soon or that people back home go crazy if a day goes by without a message. That said I usually do bring one when I'm going somewhere I've never been before. In Alaska and Yukon I also brought a personal locator beacon and still had a 13lb base weight (brought along a camera, camp shoes, kindle, gps and beefier compass as well).

Going for a walk or doing serious backpacking? There's a difference.

To the conversation with the ranger, what state do you live in? I'm just curious. Most SAR folks I know would rather have people use their SPOT too soon than end up dead. An early rescue is better than no rescue at all. Yes, there are financial implications and there are always idiots that use it because they can't be bothered to read the high tide charts, etc. And to the second point, that's silly. You have to have a conversation with the person you are texting. Plans often change in the mountains depending on weather and trail conditions. Having a way to send a change of plans to the person back at home is important in the case of a real emergency. 

As far as bear spray is concerned... not a 10 essential in my book at all and potentially not very helpful if a bear is in your tent anyway.

I come off a bit trollish, sorry about that, but backpacking "seriously" is still just walking with stuff on your back. I know there's one other poster here who is an alpinist - climber which is a different ball game since you are above class 3 scrambling etc. but hiking just isn't that complicated, don't cross fast moving creeks or rivers and be aware of your surroundings pack for all weather conditions. I don't really consider this hard, just basic knowledge required and one foot in front of another. Off trail requires basic navigation skills and solo I stick to obvious routes. I haven't done any off trail traverses of the brooks range or anything, maybe that's what you are referring to.

I'm from Ontario, I hike solo usually. In Denali National Park, Kluane National Park, Tombstone Territorial Park and Sequoia - Kings Canyon the rangers all asked me if someone knew my plans, I told them that my girlfriend was aware and that I had a SPOT and PLB (didn't bring the PLB to California). They all showed concern about the SPOT, worried my girlfriend would start calling, I guess if you don't send ok messages they are fine with that. They also weren't convinced it was as reliable as a PLB, and felt the PLB would be more likely to be used in a "oh shit" moment where as the SPOT might be used in a "I'm tired and lazy" moment. I'm paraphrasing with a bit of exaggeration but the rangers I've talked to about the SPOT don't seem that impressed. Maybe it's the ok messaging that is really the problem and I'm over analyzing their response. To be clear none of them said don't use it or don't bring it but they seemed happier with a PLB than a SPOT.

I bring bear spray in grizzly country but I think an air horn would be better, a woman I was hiking with on the cotton wood trail in Kluane blasted one at a bear and that got him moving faster than us yelling at him/her.
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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #57 on: February 29, 2016, 04:57:04 PM »
SPOT is ok but I have been using my inReach Explorer SE by Delorme and feel it is a much better product.
It is a satellite communicator as well as SOS device
It communicates to my phone via bluetooth to send text messages and gps navigation
I am able to send messages and emails to friends that have a link to my real time location
I can of course text directly from the device , it has worked great to get weather updates or change me expected trip return time
Friends/Family are able to ping your location to see your progress.

Love this thing so much just for all else that it does, hope I don't have to use the SOS

Now lets not get onto the topic of the less intelligent people who have used them incorrectly, there will always be silly people in society.

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #58 on: February 29, 2016, 06:04:59 PM »
This is such a timely thread. I am planning my first backpacking trip for this summer, and when I read the McLelland book, I was struck by the similarities between Mustachianism and UL backpacking too.

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #59 on: March 01, 2016, 07:25:57 AM »
Glad to see this thread.

If you look at my icon it's a Camp 7 North Col 0 degree down bag that I picked up on eBay for $114. It is from the late 70s to early 80s but little used and as new.

I have been an Appalachian Trail hiker for 40 years. Never completed it, but you never know... I've been out West in Montana and Wyoming fished and backpacked up Froze To Death Creek Canyon to a glacial lake at 14,000 feet, climbed scree to the top and was hit with 40 to 60 mile winds, decided that the backpacking ahead of me was life threatening and turned back to the car and the best cheeseburger ever served in a cowboy bar in a quonset hut, canoed the Allagash Wilderness Waterway in Maine and had a moose covered in flies swim in front of the boat, camped at Flamingo in Everglades National Park and watched a flock of thousands of Roseate Spoonbills take flight into an amazing sunset sky, illuminating every bird...

Now I'm just getting into hammock camping and picking up choice UL items on the cheap, too much to list here.  :)

Spring is around the corner here and I'm trying to get my buddies scheduled for trips but even twenty years younger than me they're all complaining about knees and shoulders... Arggh!

I'll chime in again if I see something that I can add value to.

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« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2016, 08:22:21 AM »

Spring is around the corner here and I'm trying to get my buddies scheduled for trips but even twenty years younger than me they're all complaining about knees and shoulders... Arggh!


This is why solo trips are the only way to go for me.

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« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2016, 09:23:23 AM »
I live very close to the PCT. Every late summer/early fall when the north bounders come thru people invariably are stuck in the mountains surrounded by snow they 'didn't expect' and they don't have any way to contact anyone and don't have the necessary gear to hike themselves out.

I didn't say it couldn't be done. It is hard. And most people that I see don't actually have all 10 essentials. They've made some compromises. And even seasoned backpackers (they've gone 1000 miles + on the PCT already) get screwed once they make it to Washington. I am friends with SAR members here. Some of the rescues are just comical. And we have lots of fatalities here, too. If people had possessed a SPOT device or even a compass, they could have been saved or hiked their way out.

Most of the time leaving something important behind just leaves to a miserable day or two or a hungry day or two. Sometimes it's worse. I am not anti-UL. But I think too many people have jumped on the bandwagon without thoroughly thinking about all possible circumstances.

It's actually quite easy, going for a walk isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. It's pretty easy to get all 10 essential below ten pounds with basic internet research these days. Most of the rangers I've met in parks seem rather luke warm to the idea of the SPOT messenger so I'm surprised you insist it be taken. Most of the rangers I've met seem to feel that people use it too soon or that people back home go crazy if a day goes by without a message. That said I usually do bring one when I'm going somewhere I've never been before. In Alaska and Yukon I also brought a personal locator beacon and still had a 13lb base weight (brought along a camera, camp shoes, kindle, gps and beefier compass as well).

Going for a walk or doing serious backpacking? There's a difference.

To the conversation with the ranger, what state do you live in? I'm just curious. Most SAR folks I know would rather have people use their SPOT too soon than end up dead. An early rescue is better than no rescue at all. Yes, there are financial implications and there are always idiots that use it because they can't be bothered to read the high tide charts, etc. And to the second point, that's silly. You have to have a conversation with the person you are texting. Plans often change in the mountains depending on weather and trail conditions. Having a way to send a change of plans to the person back at home is important in the case of a real emergency. 

As far as bear spray is concerned... not a 10 essential in my book at all and potentially not very helpful if a bear is in your tent anyway.

I come off a bit trollish, sorry about that, but backpacking "seriously" is still just walking with stuff on your back. I know there's one other poster here who is an alpinist - climber which is a different ball game since you are above class 3 scrambling etc. but hiking just isn't that complicated, don't cross fast moving creeks or rivers and be aware of your surroundings pack for all weather conditions. I don't really consider this hard, just basic knowledge required and one foot in front of another. Off trail requires basic navigation skills and solo I stick to obvious routes. I haven't done any off trail traverses of the brooks range or anything, maybe that's what you are referring to.

I'm from Ontario, I hike solo usually. In Denali National Park, Kluane National Park, Tombstone Territorial Park and Sequoia - Kings Canyon the rangers all asked me if someone knew my plans, I told them that my girlfriend was aware and that I had a SPOT and PLB (didn't bring the PLB to California). They all showed concern about the SPOT, worried my girlfriend would start calling, I guess if you don't send ok messages they are fine with that. They also weren't convinced it was as reliable as a PLB, and felt the PLB would be more likely to be used in a "oh shit" moment where as the SPOT might be used in a "I'm tired and lazy" moment. I'm paraphrasing with a bit of exaggeration but the rangers I've talked to about the SPOT don't seem that impressed. Maybe it's the ok messaging that is really the problem and I'm over analyzing their response. To be clear none of them said don't use it or don't bring it but they seemed happier with a PLB than a SPOT.

I bring bear spray in grizzly country but I think an air horn would be better, a woman I was hiking with on the cotton wood trail in Kluane blasted one at a bear and that got him moving faster than us yelling at him/her.


No worries. I live in the PacNW where everyone is a "hiker."  So there's some really bad decisions by people who read an article in Backpacker magazine about going UL and then head off into the hills without so much as a trail map.  I can't tell you how many people I've bumped into that don't know what trail they are on, what direction they are headed, and where they want to go. Maybe they'd signal SAR for low water.... lol, they are definitely the problem. Anyone with enough savvy and knowledge can do UL.  UL itself is not the problem, it's the lack of understanding the foundations to DO UL.

I'd be nice if there was a required class (following the previous analogy like a high school finance class equivalent) for outdoorsmanship where you had to read a terrain map, a compass, etc before you could go out alone.  REI offers lots of basic classes but unfortunately not enough people take them here.

I've seen people trying to hike to camp Muir in flip flops across the ice fields who've plucked the cliff marking poles and used them as hiking poles.  A ranger came up to us (I had my 2 year old on my back) and commented how great that she was wearing her hat and sunglasses and asked if we had sunscreen on her (yes). Said we looked awesomely prepared and to carry on! LOL. We're not doing too much hard core stuff these days with a toddler, but I want to teach her to be smart and prepared and make good choices.

I'd like an InReach. Those are cool. I just want something in case I fall and break my leg and no one will be walking by for 3 weeks.

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #62 on: March 01, 2016, 01:03:58 PM »

Spring is around the corner here and I'm trying to get my buddies scheduled for trips but even twenty years younger than me they're all complaining about knees and shoulders... Arggh!


This is why solo trips are the only way to go for me.
Yep I do that too but the shared experience of being able to get to know a new place is fun. It just gets harder as you get older to keep everyone on track for the trips...

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« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2016, 01:28:16 PM »
I'd like an InReach. Those are cool. I just want something in case I fall and break my leg and no one will be walking by for 3 weeks.

Check out the story of Joe Simpson's accident. Self rescue with a  broken leg is still possible ;)

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2016, 04:05:40 AM »
Another lightweight backpacker here! Although not UL by the "official" definitions, I always strive for the minimum weight (and numbers) of items.

The connection to frugality is evident, and I think my interest for both fields have developed simultaneously. The pursuit of lighter gear is however getting in the way of my savings plans, although I do see the purchases as more or less of a one time "buy-it-for-life" kind. I will be upgrading my pack this spring, shaving off 2.3kg (roughly 5lbs) on the pack alone. Crazy!

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« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2017, 06:34:07 AM »
I take light food only only important hiking gears. Everyone has different opinion here.

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« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2017, 08:36:11 AM »
One tool a lot of people overlook is a whistle. If you fall down a steep ravine no one above will see you and may not hear you. I always have one around my neck along with a suunto button compass.

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« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2017, 08:41:21 AM »
I'm far too anxiety prone to go ultralight, but I love seeing what the ultralight people come up with, because they tend to lead the way in gear innovations and DIY projects

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« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2017, 06:46:17 PM »
I'd call that a hobo stove!  BTUs are BTUs so you won't save any weight on fuel, you probably need more since I'm guessing it burns less efficiently.  Can is definitely lighter though....I'll give you that much.

When I was a scout, I used my swiss army knife to make a very nice little stove from a soda can... Efficient and burned clean - now that I think about it, the thing actually had some similarities to the TLUD stoves I read about recently. Air intakes around the bottom and a bit below the top, necked down a bit a the top - fill with fuel (semi-dense packed twigs/chips), put a small firestarter on top and light it. Burns from the top down, and separating the air vents (some high, some low) lets you have a cleaner burn. A real TLUD burns even better because of the chimney.

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« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2017, 06:57:57 PM »
I haven't really done backpacking, but some camping and multiple long-distance day hikes (25+ miles). I don't know if this counts as ultra light but I like to wear clothing with lots of deep pockets and I will keep items in there, mostly food, and just carry a bum pack which holds just water.  I would love to do section hikes, possibly a through hike of one of the national scenic trails, and I would utilize cargo pants for those as well. My legs are stronger than my upper body, and it feels better to have the weight distributed throughout the length of my body, rather than concentrated on my back and hips.

Also, I don't drink that much. And I live in Florida. Sometimes I think people over hydrate themselves. Always carry more water than you think you'll need, yes, but I don't usually need to drink every 15, 30 minutes like people in my hiking group. I nibble on food that has a little sugar and a little salt, and it keeps my electrolytes balanced, keeping the water in my body longer. I wear layers and try not to sweat (more wasted water). I don't mind being a little thirsty either and try to pace out my water use. I will drink some maybe 1-2 miles after I feel the first sign of thirst.

There is an older gentleman and I know who does not drink on the trail at all. I've gone on a hike over 10 miles, in Florida, and he did not drink a drop. Then after the hike he gorges on ice coffee. He's been doing it his whole life and he's in his late 60s,  fit as a fiddle. Listen to your body, not always the "experts".
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« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2017, 07:03:16 PM »
Sometimes I think people over hydrate themselves. ... I wear layers and try not to sweat (more wasted water). I don't mind being a little thirsty either and try to pace out my water use. I will drink some maybe 1-2 miles after I feel the first sign of thirst. ... Listen to your body, not always the "experts".
I think there's a lot of truth to this. I moved away from dromedary bags because it was too easy to drink too much, and over-hydrate, which means you carried extra water for no physiological benefit. When desert hiking, I learned to hike only as fast as I could while breathing only through my nose, to reduce water loss. A dry mouth does not necessarily mean you need to drink. Also, since your kidney can only process about a liter per hour [1], you should not exceed that consumption rate and thus should limit your water loss to less than that rate.

[1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill/

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2017, 05:04:16 AM »
Posting to follow.  I'm planning to do more backpacking in the next couple years.  I haven't done ultralight yet.  Years ago I knew a couple trail runners that did it.  They called it "fast-packing"  (running the trails for days with super minimal gear).  Hardcore.

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« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2017, 08:21:38 AM »
Posting to follow.  I'm planning to do more backpacking in the next couple years.  I haven't done ultralight yet.  Years ago I knew a couple trail runners that did it.  They called it "fast-packing"  (running the trails for days with super minimal gear).  Hardcore.
I really dig this idea and have been moving toward that kind of approach recently. I took a 4-day trip to NYC recently with just a CamelBak and did 13mi on foot one day, which was a lot for me, and still felt great afterward. I weighed the bag on the way out and it was 9# with my shoes strapped to it (I had bought flip-flops) and some water. Doing that for days on trail would be harder unless you had good shelters all along the way, but I can picture it.

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2017, 09:04:47 AM »
I wish ultralighters didn't take themselves so seriously. It's just hiking - you get on a trail and you walk til you get to the end. Use that extra 10lbs of capacity and carry a book, or a deck of cards, or a couple beers and a pizza. Maybe bring enough first aid to help someone else, even if you'll never use it on yourself.

It's amazing how little people can get by with, and sure some people need to learn that lesson. It's also amazing how much more fun you can have with a bit more than the bare necessities

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« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2017, 09:16:18 AM »
I wish ultralighters didn't take themselves so seriously. It's just hiking ...
Absolutely! Smiles before miles!

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« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2017, 09:19:39 AM »
I wish ultralighters didn't take themselves so seriously. It's just hiking - you get on a trail and you walk til you get to the end. Use that extra 10lbs of capacity and carry a book, or a deck of cards, or a couple beers and a pizza. Maybe bring enough first aid to help someone else, even if you'll never use it on yourself.

It's amazing how little people can get by with, and sure some people need to learn that lesson. It's also amazing how much more fun you can have with a bit more than the bare necessities
So much for "to each his own", eh?

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« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2017, 09:26:12 AM »
I'm not telling you what to do, I'm telling you what I think

Do whatever you want. If what you want is the lightest pack on trail, I will think that's silly but feel free to continue.

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« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2017, 09:29:56 AM »
I'm not telling you what to do, I'm telling you what I think

Do whatever you want. If what you want is the lightest pack on trail, I will think that's silly but feel free to continue.
I think there's a time and a place, but for me it's mostly in environments where items of marginal necessity are cheap and plentiful (e.g. NYC) and being able to run with all your shit makes a plan more feasible. I'm just as likely to pack heavy when goals and circumstances support it.
I think blanket dismissals of others' approaches to something are at least as silly as any said approach.. ;)

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« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2017, 09:32:18 AM »
I'm also talking about backpacking, not walking around New York City. You could carry literally nothing, and have your pizza too

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« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2017, 09:35:31 AM »
Also not talking about fastpacking, peakbagging, various types of climbing, etc. Ultralight backpacking (what this thread is about) is usually a very specific crowd: the 20 mile a day backpacker who for some reason thinks they have to "minimize". I've never heard a climber say they do Ultralight Climbing. All climbs are light, because they're hauling all that stuff straight up. Backpacking is just walking, and you don't need to try as hard
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« Reply #80 on: July 25, 2017, 10:10:43 AM »
 Yeah, hiking is just walking. If anything, ultralight focuses on that more than anything;  The idea of unburdening yourself so you can concentrate on your experience, whether it's the hike, or the scenery, or the mileage. I'm the type of hiker mostly, where I like to get out there and walk, maybe take a few pictures, and do some plant ID. I don't necessarily want to sit down and have a picnic, or play cards in the middle of the woods. I sometimes go out with a hiking group from my state's Trail Association, and they like to go out to eat afterwords, or before. I don't even like to do that. I'm there for the hike and the scenery,  and some company along the way if in a social mood. I'm not big on breaking up a hike to sit and chill. I do enough of that at work, watching TV, or reading a book. I'll take in some scenery for a few minutes, or go exploring…which is just off trail hiking.

I hate the feeling of something getting between my back and the fresh air, or tugging on my shoulders, or hindering/ scratching against my arms as I attempt to free-swing. So I taught myself how to maximize a simple waist/ lumbar pack.  If I could find a decent pair of women's cargo pants, which didn't look like parachute pants, with pockets big and deep enough to put everything I need, I would get rid of the lumbar pack as well. I'm still working on that.

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #81 on: July 25, 2017, 10:23:52 AM »
Also not talking about fastpacking, peakbagging, various types of climbing, etc. Ultralight backpacking (what this thread is about) is usually a very specific crowd: the 20 mile a day backpacker who for some reason thinks they have to "minimize". I've never heard a climber say they do Ultralight Climbing. All climbs are light, because they're hauling all that stuff straight up. Backpacking is just walking, and you don't need to try as hard

 As someone who has done several 27 mile hikes, it's not just going for a walk. You don't just step out your front door in the morning, yawn, stretch your arms out, and go for a 30 mile walk.  And when you get into that much mileage, pack wait does make a difference. Especially on your feet. I don't really get what point you were making, because on one hand you're saying that ULers complicate "walking", but on the other hand you're implying ULers are not making it more of an experience without bringing pizza, beer and cards. I'm perfectly happy with an apple and some beef jerky in my pocket, to "browse" along the way. I don't know how food choice  implies how serious or casual one is about an activity. If someone doesn't eat/ act like a "duuuuude" on the trail, they are too serious?  That's a bit silly. Ultralight doesn't always mean giving up things that are meaningful for you to have on the trail. Sometimes it helps you to cut back on not so necessary necessities, to make room for the things you do want to bring. And like you said there is a difference between going for a walk, and the type of hiker that actually treats it as an exercise or individual sport. Different activities have different challenges. And no thank you I am not interested in having pizza 20 miles in on a hot Florida swamp hike. I'll pass on the diarrhea.
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« Reply #82 on: July 25, 2017, 11:01:21 AM »
Also not talking about fastpacking, peakbagging, various types of climbing, etc. Ultralight backpacking (what this thread is about) is usually a very specific crowd: the 20 mile a day backpacker who for some reason thinks they have to "minimize". I've never heard a climber say they do Ultralight Climbing. All climbs are light, because they're hauling all that stuff straight up. Backpacking is just walking, and you don't need to try as hard

All climbs are light? Climbing gear is pretty damn heavy, so no climbing is usually anything but light. Add on top of that camping gear and you've got a pretty heavy pack, at least 40 lbs. If we did not have the foundation of ultralight backpacking then the pack weight would be absurd, 60+ lbs.

However, to say that climbers do not talk about ultralight climbing is ridiculous, if that were true would this product even exist?
http://blackdiamondequipment.com/en_US/climbing-cams-stoppers-nuts-hexes/camalot-ultralight-BD2621640000ALL1.html

I think pairing down you gear, whether backpacking or climbing, is very useful and can allow you to go farther distances with less stress on your body. It's up to each person to decide what is important to them, considering their level of experience. Personally I don't want to carry extra weight in the form of distractions, book or cards or whatever, I want to be absolutely engrossed in the wilderness and experience every moment of it.

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #83 on: July 25, 2017, 12:46:54 PM »
Also not talking about fastpacking, peakbagging, various types of climbing, etc. Ultralight backpacking (what this thread is about) is usually a very specific crowd: the 20 mile a day backpacker who for some reason thinks they have to "minimize".

I absolutely think I have to minimize! And I will tell you the reason - Because I enjoy walking with 10lbs as opposed to 40lbs, plus it's fun for me to see how light I can go WHILE still remaining safe & comfortable. Carrying that much weight sucks.  Simple. I'm not a camper, I'm a hiker.  I setup most of my gear devoted to that fact.  Also, I try very hard not to be condescending to other hikers(or people in general) who enjoy things differently than I do. 

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« Reply #84 on: July 25, 2017, 12:57:21 PM »
I love ultralight backpacking, got into it before I discovered Mustachianism, so I own a lot of high-end gear.  I soon discovered that I enjoy making my own gear much more, and that it's also usually lighter and customized to what I find important. 

My best friend and have gone through a circular journey with regards to what we spend on gear.  We grew up poor so we had to improvise or go without for a lot of things -- but we spent most of our free time hiking and camping, since it was as close to free fun as we could find.  Then when we had money we spent too much of it on the latest, lightest, techiest gear, and had to spend all our time working to pay for it -- so we didn't have as much free time for hiking and camping.  Finally we realized we could save money and weight by making our own gear (alcohol stoves, tykek tarps, hammocks) and we were back to spending next to nothing.  Now if only more time would free up!

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« Reply #85 on: July 25, 2017, 02:36:51 PM »
I love ultralight backpacking, got into it before I discovered Mustachianism, so I own a lot of high-end gear.  I soon discovered that I enjoy making my own gear much more, and that it's also usually lighter and customized to what I find important.

Oh yeah, I went way down the rabbit hole on MYOG.  Cuben fiber tarps & mids, down quilts and bags, stoves, etc.  Taught me how to sew.

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Re: Ultralight backpacking
« Reply #86 on: July 25, 2017, 02:58:11 PM »
@LMoot @Zoltani ... I am right there with you
We do it because we want to move efficiently over big elevation or long distances without exerting energy on unnecessary weight.

I just did Mt Baker in a fast and light day trip with a 23L pack. Our team of 3 carried the best basic items and used good management across us for our technical gear and 10 essentials. We crushed distance and elevation because we went as light as possible.

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« Reply #87 on: July 25, 2017, 11:10:03 PM »
I'm into UL backpacking. I could never get below about 20 pounds before I decided I was light enough and then added things back to 30, and then went on a hike where no water was available for three days and got up to more than 40. Or at least, I was before I got a house, wife, and found MMM. I have not had the chance to get out recently and I really miss it. I especially miss thunderstorms I realized watching one the other day. The anxiety of watching them build on the horizon, or over your head. The colors in the sunset. The fear while racing down a mountain top while lighting hits the peak 500 feet above you. The sting of dime (or quarter!) sized hail.  The smell of 10,000 wild flowers after the first two hours of heavy rain after a month of dryness, with mule deer frolicking around. Pitching your tarp extra low to keep out the strong winds. Eating peanut M&M's exhausted under a poncho tarp while it pours freezing water on you but a rainbow appears over a lake.
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« Reply #88 on: July 25, 2017, 11:32:38 PM »
I just did Mt Baker in a fast and light day trip with a 23L pack. Our team of 3 carried the best basic items and used good management across us for our technical gear and 10 essentials. We crushed distance and elevation because we went as light as possible.

How much of that gear did you actually use?  A friend of mine did Baker in a day with a camelback full of cytomax and a pair of aluminum crampons and literally nothing else but the clothes on his back.  Not even a pocketknife.  In fact, every Cascade volcano except Glacier can be done as a day trip if you're in decent shape. 

Most of my big climbs are in the opposite camp, rarely less than 65 pounds and sometimes over 80 when wet.  We camped in the Rainier summit crater for a week a while back, as all of the other teams that had tried to go fast and light had to bail early when the shit rolled in because they didn't have enough fuel to cook at high altitudes, or their bags weren't warm enough, or they didn't count on not being able to dry out their socks.  When laying siege against mother nature, it pays to come prepared. 

Ultralighting is for flatlanders.  Ultralight climbers are dead climbers.  As a younger man I watched them carry Babu Chiri off Everest in 2001 in a white sheet, after trying to set a speed record.  This year I read about Uli Steck and did not feel the slightest twinge of surprise. 

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« Reply #89 on: July 26, 2017, 02:23:48 AM »
I'm working towards ultralight, though I'm usually a little above 10 lbs base weight.

What I love is how there's a positive feedback loop. If you make one thing lighter, it makes it possible for other things to become lighter.

For example, if I cut back on the weight and bulk of something, I can use a smaller pack. The lighter pack means that I can use lighter footwear, and leave my trekking poles behind. And because my load is lighter, I'm expending less energy, and I can (slightly) reduce my food and fuel load. Because I don't need to consume so many calories, I can take a slightly smaller cookpot. Since I'm no longer carrying trekking poles, I can cut the carrying loops off my pack. And so on...

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« Reply #90 on: July 26, 2017, 09:22:30 AM »
I just did Mt Baker in a fast and light day trip with a 23L pack. Our team of 3 carried the best basic items and used good management across us for our technical gear and 10 essentials. We crushed distance and elevation because we went as light as possible.

How much of that gear did you actually use?  A friend of mine did Baker in a day with a camelback full of cytomax and a pair of aluminum crampons and literally nothing else but the clothes on his back.  Not even a pocketknife.  In fact, every Cascade volcano except Glacier can be done as a day trip if you're in decent shape. 

Most of my big climbs are in the opposite camp, rarely less than 65 pounds and sometimes over 80 when wet.  We camped in the Rainier summit crater for a week a while back, as all of the other teams that had tried to go fast and light had to bail early when the shit rolled in because they didn't have enough fuel to cook at high altitudes, or their bags weren't warm enough, or they didn't count on not being able to dry out their socks.  When laying siege against mother nature, it pays to come prepared. 

Ultralighting is for flatlanders.  Ultralight climbers are dead climbers.  As a younger man I watched them carry Babu Chiri off Everest in 2001 in a white sheet, after trying to set a speed record.  This year I read about Uli Steck and did not feel the slightest twinge of surprise.

Oh ya ...totally hear you as when we are on approach hikes we always joke how lucky through hikers have it lol. As for my baker climb we split our ten essentials across each other. Had our crevasse gear, axe, crampons, helmet and then a few layers for the varying weather. I packed my digital camera of course but we used it all and as for food I had my bladder, snickers, electrolytes and a sandwhich. As for Rainier, that is a whole other beast and my friends did it the following weekend after our Baker trip and I couldn't join which I was bummed about. Fast and Light is about wise choices and knowing the terrain as well as objective hazards. Like you said Baker is a totally doable day trip and I love that kind of a day challenge.

That being said I really want to do some hiking challenges that take in bigger distance and explore more terrain. These don't involve technical alpine and are often "flatlanders" as you said which would make it fine to go the lightweight route.

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« Reply #91 on: July 26, 2017, 10:56:42 AM »
Sol, you camped in the Rainier summit crater for a week? Was that planned or forced due to a storm?

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« Reply #92 on: July 26, 2017, 11:08:05 AM »
Sol, you camped in the Rainier summit crater for a week? Was that planned or forced due to a storm?

Very planned.  Carefully, meticulously, exhaustively planned.

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« Reply #93 on: July 26, 2017, 11:13:11 AM »
I'm also talking about backpacking, not walking around New York City. You could carry literally nothing, and have your pizza too
Hahaha! Hilarious, but one does occasionally require clothing, toiletries, and other supplies for planned activities.
Anywho, at the end of the day, various approaches bring happiness to a wide variety of people, even to the same person attempting a different trip. Cheers.

Sol, you camped in the Rainier summit crater for a week? Was that planned or forced due to a storm?

Very planned.  Carefully, meticulously, exhaustively planned.
That sounds *awesome*. Do tell.

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« Reply #94 on: July 26, 2017, 11:15:57 AM »
There's a major difference between planning to camp on the summit for a week and planning to go fast and light. There is no shame in bailing due to weather, as we say the mountain will still be there for another day. Perhaps I am just not understanding your story above when you compare yourself camping there for a week to the folks trying for a fast and light ascent. What is the point in that comparison when there are two different goals altogether?


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« Reply #95 on: July 26, 2017, 11:39:12 AM »
Perhaps I am just not understanding your story above when you compare yourself camping there for a week to the folks trying for a fast and light ascent. What is the point in that comparison when there are two different goals altogether?

My point was that there is an appropriate time for each strategy, but the window for ultralighters is pretty damn narrow.  My Rainer summit trip had a 50% failure rate because half of the folks thought they could go fast and light, get in and get it done and get out, and they severely underestimated what it's like to survive up there.  They had no safety margin, so they suffered and then failed.  They tried to cheat around the edges, and some trips just don't allow for that.  I think ultralighters have WAY overstepped their bounds by promoting the philosophy outside of AT throughhikes with minimarts every day or two.

Having said that, I've done a bunch of ultralight trips with about 15 pounds, including Shasta, Hood, St. Helens, Baker, and big parts of the Ptarmigan traverse in Washington, plus a handful of others like a 1 day Presi traverse in NH and Long's Peak in CO.  My longest was 28 miles in a day in Argentina.  In good weather, with cell phone coverage and other people nearby, you can risk a little more. 

That sounds *awesome*. Do tell.

It was way more awesome than that, but I've already said too much.  In the interest of preserving the last shred of my privacy, I'll demur for now.  Ask me again a year from now.

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« Reply #96 on: July 26, 2017, 11:53:27 AM »
My first backpacking trip was about 18 years ago.  Those early trips entailed a 45-50 lb pack for 3-4 nights.  I knew no better.  Over time I've been all over the map playing with gear, trying to go lighter, trying to sleep better at night, etc.  These days I'm at at about 30 lbs for a 4 day trip with food and water.

Recent trips are lightweight, not ultralight.  My base weight is about 15 lbs.  I trade off the low base weight for extra amenities, like a beer to go with dinner the first night or two, pudding for dessert or lunch, and an apple or orange for lunch each day.  Most folks target <2lbs per day for food, I usually consume over 3 lbs due to my choices.  I take a puffy jacket and raincoat even when the weather report says there is zero chance of precipitation, as I'd feel unsafe not bringing them.  Basically I have margin and luxury built in, which is a conscious choice.

I tried going as light as I could a few time, using a thin foam pad, no spare or luxury food, less spare clean underwear, etc.  It was less fun, so I swung back to a happy middle-ground that works for me.

I see lightweight as an enabler to go farther, make room for some luxury, but not an end in itself.  Ultra-lighters would be horrified to see my assorted extra crap.

I have plans to do the PCT once FIRE, and trips like that will justify more sacrifice on luxury, but I still have some years before I can pull both off.
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« Reply #97 on: July 27, 2017, 06:40:16 AM »
Oh, boy.  I am on vacation right now, and this thread has me dreaming of trying my 2 night backpack solo trip as soon as I get home.
I think I am down to 15 lb base weight... so "light", not ultralight, but I did not over spend on any individual item...(no cuben fibre for me).

           2lb sleeping bag, 2.5 lb shelter (tarp, poncho, bug screen), 2 lb bag, 1/2lb sleep pad, 1 lb down sweater and warm gear, 1 lb cooking gear.. plus clothes, guy lines, trekking poles, light, filter, safety & medicine stuff.

My fitness is improving a bit too..so I hope the climb (hike) up is easier than I expect.  After all, the 5 easiest pounds to lose are those on my hips...  But which of the fabulous spots should I go to?  LOL!  So much mountain, so little time.

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« Reply #98 on: July 27, 2017, 01:19:11 PM »
While I COULD go ultralight (<10 lb base) if needed, I've only done it on an overnight. Usually my base is 12-13 lbs. I have also continued to add in small luxury items (e.g., going from small Neoair to the XL for the width) the past few years. Just did a trip with my 10 year old in CO and will head back to Wind River Range in August.

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« Reply #99 on: July 27, 2017, 02:08:34 PM »
Someone else mentioned that spreading the weight around your body can help a lot more than removing a couple of pounds from your pack.

I am going to try adding a front chest bag this year, with the weight supported by the hipbelt, and removed from the backpack.