Author Topic: UK Chancellor vs Mustachian  (Read 1942 times)

ExitViaTheCashRamp

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UK Chancellor vs Mustachian
« on: August 16, 2015, 12:31:21 PM »
Good Evening !

 Been reading the site for a while, wanted to share this as my own personal example of why increasing a tax -- may result in less gathered. So in the recent budget, the UK chancellor decided to go after my company :( I run a limited company with me, myself and my multiple personalities as the sole employee.

 To avoid tax, my company pays me a low directors fee (which happens to be the limit of my annual tax allowance), then after other company expenses (accountancy fees, travel costs, my lunch ^^), the company then pays 20% corporation tax. Whatever remains gets paid to me as a dividend which is tax free -- which is most of my income. So the chancellor in the recent budget wants to put a stop to this and announces a new 7.5% tax on dividends *sniff* in the next tax year after the first £5k. So what to do, just cough up like he wants ? A quick back of an envelope calculation and the total tax he wants will be a significant dent for my household income.. so sod him.

Next day, there is a sign on my bedroom door (a.k.a. my office) offering employment as my company decides the required paperwork is just too much for the sole employee and it makes sense to have spare capacity in case my companies clients require additional projects. My wife wanders in and applies - she is so bright and enthusiastic about the role she is given the job on the spot. We agree on a fixed salary of the exact amount of the tax free allowance.

 The employee forms a new union called (Pay Less Tax Union) with the director and complains to the sole shareholder (me) at the lack of decent pension provision. After a hard battle, the director is delighted to announce a new company pension which under close inspection happens to match the amounts paid by the director and employee used to pay out of their personal bank accounts.

 Net Result: The company has higher expenses (employee & pension costs), so far less corp tax is paid on the remaining profit. Household income has now increased (since employee costs are now almost pure profit, rather than being subject to corp tax as a dividend), household income now under threshold of next years dividend tax.

 Only downside, money is going into pensions which cannot be accessed until ~57 or later. Other plans needed to be able to FiRe at 50.

Playing with Fire UK

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Re: UK Chancellor vs Mustachian
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 07:02:19 AM »
This is excellent.

Are there any expenses that your office now needs to accommodate the new employee? Perhaps the company could fund a generous employee canteen?

Fingers crossed the pension age stays at 57. Would there be any benefit in putting more in the pension of the older spouse?

mohawkbrah

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Re: UK Chancellor vs Mustachian
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 08:09:04 AM »
" So the chancellor in the recent budget wants to put a stop to this and announces a new 7.5% tax on dividends *sniff* in the next tax year after the first £5k."

thats confusing me. what about the 10% dividend tax credit? this sounds like madness!

ExitViaTheCashRamp

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Re: UK Chancellor vs Mustachian
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 10:56:54 AM »
>>  Playing with Fire UK

 Some excellent suggestions.. Already planned a bi-weekly off site strategy meetings at selected eateries (we like eating out) ! Have to be reasonable careful though - easy for non-mustachian habits to form.

 The access age of 57 is by far (imho) the greatest risk to my plans. I've recently changed my plan to assume access will be denied until 60 (2038 for me), just can't see Labour not touching it when they get back in ~2025.

>> mohawkbrah

 Yes, the near 100 year old rules are being swept aside. After the first 5k of unwrapped (ISA/pension), you have to pay: 7.5% (basic rate), 32.5% (higher rate), 38.1% (additional rate)

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!