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tooqk4u22

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Third Party and term limits
« on: October 26, 2012, 02:09:45 PM »
Clearly from the poll the bias is liberal but the undercurrents are libertarian.  As much as I want and think we need a third party I have no conifidence that it will happen. 

That said I think there are some changes that could help, either in general or getting to a third party.

1.  Presidential term limits:
- Current System -  allows for 2 4-year terms. 1st year - settle in, make friends.  Years 2-3 - get stuff done good or bad.  4th year - do nothing but campaign for re-election.
- Proposed - change to single 6-year term.  Economic cycles last 5-7 years typically, this would allow a president enough time to implement his plans and policies and see it through but not so long that the nation is stuck with it if its not working.

2. Congress term limits
- current (2 years, unlimited for house and 6 year term, unlimited for senate).  Senate elections are staggered 1/3rd every two years.
- proposed - match house with senate and limit it to two six year terms total.  Same argument as with president. Staggered turnover with 12 year total limit gives plenty of opportunity to fix things that are not working, takes away incentives to do things only for the sake of getting reelected (I hate career politicians), but allows to get through cycles and ensures that you still have a some seniority/experienced people and fresh blood and ideas. 

I think the above would keep a balanced perspective, allows for regular turnover when needed and combined with lack of infinite terms could pave way for a third party or at least bring the two parties closer together to be more reasonable and actually work FOR the people. 

It may seem like a small thing but career politicians, or more specifically career congressional leaders, is bad, bad, bad. 

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Re: Third Party and term limits
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 05:47:37 PM »

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Re: Third Party and term limits
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2012, 02:15:13 AM »
As much as I want and think we need a third party I have no conifidence that it will happen. 

What I want is 3rd party access to prime-time televised debates, with hard hitting questions and extraordinary pressure for real answers and plans.

I bet a lot more people would vote third party if some of these guys had a chance to speak at the main debates and bring their ideas to the table. Not that they would win, but its the principle of the how they get shutout that just drives me crazy.

They get sidelined to their own separate debate which gets absolutely no media coverage. Mainly due to money/corporate influence over our political system. Until the policies behind campaign finance change, I don't ever see this happening.

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Re: Third Party and term limits
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2012, 02:18:51 AM »
politicians, in general, spend too much time campaigning.

Anyone read this?

http://www.amazon.com/Republic-Lost-Money-Corrupts-Congress--/dp/0446576433/

Hmm... that looks really interesting. Have you read it?

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Re: Third Party and term limits
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2012, 05:32:06 PM »
No, but I did see an interview, and his ideas made a lot of sense. He talked about using a tax-funded voucher system for funding elections, so that politicians wouldn't have to fund raise. He also talked about requiring blind trusts, like this. Basically, he wants us to insulate politicians from money so they can do their jobs like they're supposed to. I just requested it from the library.

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Re: Third Party and term limits
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2012, 09:38:35 PM »
I studied abroad in New Zealand during an election year and was impressed by their (parliamentary) system, which does give third parties some power. Major parties had to form coalitions with third party groups to get a majority vote, so minority views got more of a say as they negotiated to form those partnerships - so for example the democratic party would have to team up with the green party to pass an initiative.

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Re: Third Party and term limits
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2012, 11:26:08 PM »
Public funding of campaigns would go a LONG way in fixing the problems.  Take private money out of the equation, and suddenly the legislators can legislate instead of fundraising all the time, and lobbying groups will have to be influential by something other than money.

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Re: Third Party and term limits
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 10:05:18 AM »
Public funding of campaigns would go a LONG way in fixing the problems.  Take private money out of the equation, and suddenly the legislators can legislate instead of fundraising all the time, and lobbying groups will have to be influential by something other than money.

I also think that all political advertising should be banned from mass media outlets - back to basic stumping for your candidates. To much BS in these adds, and too many dumb people vote based on them alone.

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Re: Third Party and term limits
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 03:17:05 PM »
It's not like all the lying they do is on TV though...

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Re: Third Party and term limits
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2012, 04:43:01 PM »
While your at it - get rid of that electoral college thingy you guys have. Still don't understand that. Have the each persons vote count directly to the person they are voting for.