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Things you avoid when buying a house
« on: July 18, 2015, 09:54:23 PM »
There are rules I established long ago when renting apartments; not near common areas such as stair wells, pools, play grounds, elevators, etc. Top floor, you get the idea.

I'm sure there are similar things you've learned since buying or living in a house. I know I have and I'm living in my third house.

Here are some of my criteria, what are yours?

-Not on a busy street if can be avoided.

-Not in a dead end.

-No HOA.

-No corner lots or lots at the entrance of a neighborhood.

-Nowhere where all the parking is in front of or around your house.

-Not in a zip code with a high percentage of renters (less critical, but still).


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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2015, 11:48:23 PM »
What's wrong with a dead end street? No through traffic seems like a desirable thing to me.

Anyway, here's my laundry list:

No HOA.

Never buy in a flood zone.

Never buy from a house flipper.

No foundation problems.

No knob and tube wiring.

Not on a crappy lot (undersized compared to neighbors, neighborhood ditch running through it, poor drainage / lowest lot in area, etc).

No obviously trashy or loud neighbors.

Not next to commercial real estate.

No bad smells (industry, sewage, slaughterhouse, livestock, landfills).

No loud industry or business nearby.

House should be higher in elevation than the street.

Avoid having rental properties next door.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2015, 11:50:57 PM »
Good list. Dead end streets attract all manner of ridiculous things because they have no thru traffic. As someone with no children, I don't want to hear other peoples kids loudly playing hockey complete with goal posts feet from my driveway.


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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2015, 12:15:44 AM »
Good list. Dead end streets attract all manner of ridiculous things because they have no thru traffic. As someone with no children, I don't want to hear other peoples kids loudly playing hockey complete with goal posts feet from my driveway.

Exactly the reason I would choose a dead end street.  Good for kids, no cars going through on the way to somewhere else at stupid speeds.  Also, apparently, fewer people who resent the sounds of happy children in their neighbourhood.

I look for:

Well maintained house - foundation, attic, everything.  Location I can reasonably bike or walk most things.  Close to fun stuff.  Not a neighbhourhood full of seniors who will resent my kids.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2015, 06:33:35 AM »
Foundation problems aren't necessarily so bad. Most homes in Texas have them. If it's not cracked, it can be jacked. I had a house that had a foundation issue from a water leak under it. It cost several thousand to fix, but since it was fixed, it didn't deter the buyers at all. If you can spot the cause and address that, it's not too worrisome.

It can be a truly excellent negotiating point in homebuying, though, as most people freak out on it. So, if you are trying to buy a house that has too much of an incline per the inspector, freak out on it and reduce your offer. They'll have to fix it prior to your buying it anyway.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2015, 06:35:58 AM »
One I would add to the list is don't buy the house with the communal mailbox in front of it. Rude people let their dogs shit in that guy's yard while they stopped to get the mail, and then they don't clean it up.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2015, 07:01:21 AM »
Don't pay too much. Even if you can "afford" a "better" neighborhood or whatever, you can make significant gains in your NW over time if you aren't putting aside as much money each month towards your mortgage. And taxes and insurance should be less as well.


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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2015, 08:06:40 AM »
Don't buy within 1 block of a busy shopping street, church etc. This puts added parking pressure in front of your place.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2015, 08:22:33 AM »
Avoid terrible houses, high prices, bad locations.     Also be wary of under-priced houses and houses on the market for a long time which do not appear over-priced.  These are hard to sell homes and you will struggle when you go to sell one day.  Frugal people don't like competitive bidding wars when buying, but they pay off when you sell.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2015, 08:29:21 AM »
I agree with some of the other things posted. Here are a couple of more.

One story so I can paint easily and safely myself.

Must have a bathtub or room for a bathtub to easily be installed.

Safe neighborhood (aka no obvious active drug trade on the street.)

No mildew or mold that makes my nose start running instantaneously.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2015, 09:42:17 AM »
I have a small but growing list.

No swimming pools

No flood zones

No tractor trailer or triaxle dumptruck traffic

No sinkhole problems

No on street parking only

Must have a full basement (for emergency shelter)

Must have a steep roof (to avoid snow accumulation in winter which causes collapses here)

Must be well insulated

Must have a wood stove capable of warming the whole house

Other than that Im open to anything, chances are Ill build my own house, excavate my own basement, and hire someone to pour the basement and do a septic system if all goes according to plan.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2015, 09:55:09 AM »
No Victorian style houses on a hill where the walls bleed
No houses built on a cursed indian burial ground

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2015, 11:01:45 AM »
Things that haven't been mentioned:

-- Houses without windows that open on all four sides of the house.  So many new houses seem to expect you to go from heat to a/c and back to heat, and have terrible ventilation/light from windows.

-- The smell of cat pee.  It's nigh impossible to get rid of and will probably only get worse.

-- Small yard.  I'm a gardener.

-- Corner lot- do you really want to edge that entire sidewalk?

-- Signs of water damage.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2015, 11:45:11 AM »
I'm very handy so I only worry about things that can't be changed or fixed inexpensively. I avoid:

- busy streets
- foundation issues (almost every house here has a full basement and foundation repairs are expensive)
- 2 stories
- too close neighbors
- bad or inefficient floor plans that can't be altered
- there must be a "good" place for a deck accessible from a door on the house
- must have a garage or room to build one

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2015, 11:48:22 AM »
Must have a wood stove capable of warming the whole house

Other than that Im open to anything, chances are Ill build my own house, excavate my own basement, and hire someone to pour the basement and do a septic system if all goes according to plan.

If you're willing to build and do that much work, then the lack of a wood stove shouldn't be a deal breaker. That's just a weekend project.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2015, 11:50:57 AM »
Non-negotiable:
- Neighborhood must have a comprehensive network of sidewalks.
- House must be close to a bus stop.
- Grocery store and various other businesses within a mile.

Nice to have:
- Off-street parking

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2015, 11:53:45 AM »
Lots of sensible stuff in the lists.  One I did not see:

- No disaster local school systems.

The trashy neighbor thing depends.  When we bought our house the neighbors across the street had about 6 older cars, an older RV and a boat.  I looked at the comings and goings and realized this was a blended family with mostly older (college age or close to it) kids driving all those cars.  I figured that it would be a self liquidating problem in a couple of years and got a very nice house at a discount because of it.  3 years later all the college kids had moved on and they sold the enormous elderly RV because it is now just the couple who own the house and their youngest son (15 YO or so) living in the house.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2015, 12:02:50 PM »
Living in Texas with heavy rains, a disqualifying characteristic for me is bad drainage.  Note that this has nothing to do with flood plains.  It's about how the yard is graded.  When it slopes towards the house and it's obvious the water has nowhere to go to drain off your property, you're asking for all kinds of problems.  Think of it this way -- it's better to live on a hill than in a bowl.  You may love the place, but when it rains the bowl will cause you grief.  Foundation problems, mosquitoes, mud patches, dead grass, house flooding, etc.
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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2015, 08:13:32 PM »
No new builds - I want something that is well built and has stood the test of time.
No hidden subdivisions - want to be plowed early and frequently, and have multiple access/egress points in case of emergencies.
Off street parking.
Must have trees - can't stand the moonscape feel of new areas with no mature trees for shade.  Ties in well with criteria #1.
Prefer no wall-to-wall carpeting.
Must have a porch, preferably large enough for a swing or at least chairs.
Prefer unremuddled - no vinyl siding, replacement vinyl windows, etc.
No can ceiling lights.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2015, 09:10:52 PM »
I don't think any of these (except maybe those with an asterisk) are deal-breakers for me, but strong preferences (oops -- ETA -- this is a list of things I DO want, rather than things I'd avoid!] ...

  • *readily accessible to public transit.
  • *all on one level.  Preferably no stairs at all and ADA-compliant, though I've never owned a house that actually was (our current house comes close)
  • *lots of natural light built into the house
  • *no HOA
  • on a dead-end street, ideally in a dead-end neighborhood
  • walking distance to public elementary/middle school
  • *house no more than 2000 sq ft
  • *lot at least 3/4 acre
  • *no grass or anything else about yard/garden requiring maintenance
  • walking distance (with a mile or 2) of retail, greenways
  • neighborhood with at least some racial diversity
  • whole-house attic fan

Most of that stuff's pretty permanent and/or outside my control.  The other stuff (shag carpeting, electric furnance), I can change/fix.
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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2015, 09:29:08 PM »
I would avoid schools and daycares.

Primary schools - If you're on the wrong street and too close to the school, it can be hard to sometimes even get out of your own driveway. And if you think those people care about your ability to get to work while they're in the queue to drop off Little Sally at the school door, think again.

High Schools - When we lived a block from a high school, we were awakened every school day to revving engines and muscle car racing. Apparently it's a thing among teenaged boys to arrive at school early and make a lot of noise with their cars. Parking for students is often limited, so they clutter up the streets with their cars, too.

Daycare - Worse than any school. When I was young, my father owned a home that was right over the fence from a daycare. That was all day, every day noise. Little screaming children. It started at some ungodly hour in the morning and continued well into the evening. It did not halt for Summer break or weekends.

Bogart mentioned trees and I'll second that. We moved into a new, moonscaped neighborhood. You figure you'll plant trees - no big deal. It is a big deal. It takes a decade to get some decent shade from a fast-growing tree like a maple - longer for slow growing trees. I've planted maybe 10 trees around my home and there's still no F-ing shade. The only shade is from the two trees that the builder put in near the street to abide by city tree requirements - and he positioned them so that they shade the street more than our yard. So guess what? People park under them because it's the only shade on the street! EVERY DAY!

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2015, 01:44:00 AM »
No flat roofs.
Roof must have eves.
Must have established garden.

The rest is just location location location.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2015, 02:12:51 PM »
Hmmm....you guys and gals are missing some HUGE issues IMO (although there's a lot of good ones so far).

 - No lahar zones.  The entire town of Orting, for example, is going to be 30' deep under mud, trees and rock when (not if) Mt. Rainier erupts.

 - No cedar shake roofs.  One spark and the house will bark like a dog...WOOF.....as it bursts into flames.

 - No slot canyons or other restricted terrain in fire prone areas (think So Cal).  They're death traps at the horrific end of the scale, or a guarantee to a burnt house on the merely shitty part of the scale.  You just end up with a foundation and chimney as the fire races up the restricting terrain feature.

 - If in fire prone areas, even in gentle terrain, if a home doesn't have defensible space and isn't constructed of highly fire resistant material, then it's a no go.  Roof:  Minimum of tile or metal or equal fire resistant roof (no 3 tab comp).  Exterior of fire resistant material like brick, stone or stucco - no wood siding, vinyl, etc.  Surrounding:  Absolute minimum of 50' of clear space in all directions, preferably a lot more, with fire resistant / not hazardous landscaping (e.g. no big shrubs or plants up against the house, for example).  If in an urban / wild land interface, the forest must have been treated by a knowledgeable forester to reduce the fire danger - thinned, in good health (e.g no bark beetles, etc), with branches and other ladder fuel removed, fire breaks cut into the property perimeter, easy to get permission clear brush & fuels without jumping through tons of hoops of the local govt, etc.

 - Not at the top edge of, on the side of, or at the foot of any hill that is even remotely steep enough to slide.  Land slides are pretty common on the wet side of the PNW during winter months.

 - Variation on the flood plain one (BTW - those of you in flood plains, you suck, since you're sucking at the teat of the tax payer for the subsidized flood insurance, you welfare kings and queens, but I digress.....) is to be on the bluff above a river, especially on the outside edge of a bend.  Rivers shift course - even if you're not down in the flood plain, the river can eat away at the outside edge, eventually taking your property (know a person this happened to - place was 40' above river level, and a couple hundred feet back...no matter, it only took a few years once the river started moving).

 - Nowhere in tornado alley.  Why choose to live in what is effectively the impact area of an artillery firing range?  Short of a solid concrete home with battleship armor fold down plates for window covers, there is no residential structure that will withstand the hit of even a modest strength (EF2) tornado without substantial damage, or worse (yes, there is a touch of hyperbole in this, but only a touch, I should have said heavy cruiser armor).    Yeah, you might survive in that reinforced closet or storm shelter, but meanwhile, your house....or the bits and pieces that used to be your house, plus the contents, are scattered for a half mile or more in all directions.  Compare and contrast with earthquake proofing, which is relatively straightforward to build into a new construction homes (shear walls, lots of steel in the foundation, with bolts / ties for the house, strap down water heaters, auto shutoff gas meters, etc).

 - Tsunami zones.  'Nuff said.

 - Areas subject to storm surge of a hurricane (e.g. less than 50' above sea level anywhere along the East & Gulf Coast).  Same as a Tsunami zone in my book - there's nothing that you can do to harden against this kind of hit.  Related:  Any West Coast coastal property subject to a similar impact.


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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2015, 02:33:53 PM »
Must have a garage.
No large windows on the east/west sides of the house.
No large trees with thorns(had a huge mesquite tree with 1 inch thorns in the front yard of my first house. What a PITA to keep it trimmed).
No corner lot.
Not backing onto a street, busy or not.
Not on the main entrance to a neighborhood.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2015, 02:40:32 PM »
Things that haven't been mentioned:

-- Small yard.  I'm a gardener.

-- Corner lot- do you really want to edge that entire sidewalk?

Corner lots almost always have the biggest yards, though.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2015, 02:52:32 PM »
Hmmm....you guys and gals are missing some HUGE issues IMO (although there's a lot of good ones so far).
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Between volcanoes, earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunami, wildfire and flooding zones - is there much of the US that is safe to live?

Perhaps bits of Minnesota ?

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2015, 03:08:30 PM »
-No shared driveways
-No new/recent construction
-Nothing over 2000 sq ft

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2015, 09:57:14 PM »
Hmmm....you guys and gals are missing some HUGE issues IMO (although there's a lot of good ones so far).
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Between volcanoes, earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunami, wildfire and flooding zones - is there much of the US that is safe to live?

Perhaps bits of Minnesota ?

Yeah, that post showed me that I would never even consider whole swaths of the country: west, tornado alley, coastal areas.  I was thinking micro: properties in my corner of the world.

Thinking in broader terms, I'll add to my list:
No mountains
No wildfire risks
No coastal areas
No tornado prone areas
Must be near steady source of fresh water
Must have temperate climate (no need for AC on regular basis)

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2015, 10:05:35 PM »
Two more that I don't think have been mentioned:

1.  No roof that has less than 10 years' usable life left.  Very expensive to re-roof.

2.  No house that requires a kitchen remodel.  Any other room is ok, as is a kitchen that needs paint or a new appliance or two, but having lived through a 9 month kitchen remodel when I was a child, never again.

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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2015, 10:07:01 PM »
Do not use the home inspector that the realtor recommends. Invariably they are whores that will give a glowing bill of health to any dwelling that is not currently on fire, or filled with starving Pit Bulls.

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« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2015, 10:25:52 PM »
Two more that I don't think have been mentioned:

1.  No roof that has less than 10 years' usable life left.  Very expensive to re-roof.

2.  No house that requires a kitchen remodel.  Any other room is ok, as is a kitchen that needs paint or a new appliance or two, but having lived through a 9 month kitchen remodel when I was a child, never again.

Just curious, do you plan on moving again before the roof needs replacement?  We just replaced our roof for the second time, and it wasn't that expensive.  We spent more to switch to a metal roof, to see if it will last longer than traditional asphalt roofing.  Our first reroof was when we first bought this house, 20 years ago.  We bought it in winter, it needed a new roof, badly, so the money was put in escrow by the seller for the work to be done as soon as the weather warmed up after the sale.  I assume this house has had many roofs over 170 years.  Just a part of normal maintenance.

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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2015, 07:03:58 AM »
Interesting how some of the newer posts are geography specific.  I could say not on Leda Clay (it turns to quick clay in the proper circumstances) but that would eliminate large chunks of the Ottawa Valley.  So I will say not near a stream if on Leda clay (or any other unstable clay).  And of course if you buy here you need to know how to cope with winter cold and summer humidity.

Every place has weather issues (I include fires here since they are dependent on plants which are dependent on weather).  If you know your area, you know what are the local hazards and what to avoid given those hazards.  And bluffs - Lake Ontario is enlarging as the Scarborough bluffs erode, so I would not want to buy in that area.  Toronto MMers, how are Scarborough bluff prices compared to the rest of the city?  Lovely area, slowly disappearing.

Other choices will be personal - I love gardening so I want a large lot.  A colleague was away all summer on field work, so wanted a small lot with almost no garden. 

I would add - if buying an older house, make sure the plumbing and electrical have been properly upgraded, and stairs and doorways are wide enough.  It is always fun hearing about how someone managed to get an appliance through doors that it was 2" too wide for, but not something I want to live through.

For those of us getting a bit older, maybe look at a house thinking about 20 years down the road?  Can the basement laundry be relocated to the main floor when the need arises?  Can it be made wheelchair accessible easily?

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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2015, 07:44:08 AM »
Hmmm....you guys and gals are missing some HUGE issues IMO (although there's a lot of good ones so far).
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Between volcanoes, earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunami, wildfire and flooding zones - is there much of the US that is safe to live?

Perhaps bits of Minnesota ?

Yeah, that post showed me that I would never even consider whole swaths of the country: west, tornado alley, coastal areas.  I was thinking micro: properties in my corner of the world.

Thinking in broader terms, I'll add to my list:
No mountains
No wildfire risks
No coastal areas
No tornado prone areas
Must be near steady source of fresh water
Must have temperate climate (no need for AC on regular basis)

Would love to know that spot when you find it! :)

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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2015, 07:45:46 AM »
The next time I buy a house, I'm going to spend a lot of time scoping out the neighbors and traffic patterns in the surrounding area.  I can look at the house itself and know if it would be a good fit pretty quickly, but researching the neighbors and traffic (at different times of day) takes time.  It might be easy to make a left turn out of a subdivision during the middle of the day, but that same left turn might be next to impossible at 8AM or 5PM.  Those are the types of things that I would want to observe more closely the next time I buy a house.

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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2015, 08:14:28 AM »
I wish I hadn't bought a house that backed up to a small country road.  That road is about to become an interstate exit :(

Things I told my realtor:
1) Must have a tub somewhere in the house; prefer no tub in master bathroom
2) Must have dedicated parking, even if it is just a parking pad in the lot; but this house we were looking specifically for a 3-car garage.
3) Pay attention to any easments (we have a water line through our backyard, and will have to pay to resod if the city ever digs it up...but it is their responsibility to maintain.)
4) No HOA
5) No corner lots (I am NOT shoveling that much sidewalk)
6) Close fire hydrant
7) Not located directly at communal mailboxes
8) Windows that allow airflow through the house
9) Ordinances allow fenced backyard. (None of that invisible fence BS- my dog's prey drive is way too high; she'd absolutely let herself be shocked to go after a rabbit.)
10) No flood zones
11) Stairs must be positioned in a way to allow a chair lift to be installed if necessary
12) Bedrooms must be positioned away from master bedroom. (I do not want to be able to stand in my doorway and reach into the children's rooms.)
13) Strong preference for a walk-out basement
14) Strong preference for a finished basement
15) Deck MUST have stairs to access the yard if "1st story" is not ground level in the back. (In our current house we had to negotiate the builder to add these, as they never seem to.)
16) DO NOT SHOW US ANY HOUSE MORE THAN 5% OUR BUDGET. WE AREN'T INTERESTED. (The 5% was because we could negotiate down.)

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2015, 08:46:47 AM »
Good list. Dead end streets attract all manner of ridiculous things because they have no thru traffic. As someone with no children, I don't want to hear other peoples kids loudly playing hockey complete with goal posts feet from my driveway.

I was wondering about the dead end criteria, but it really makes sense now that you've explained it. I had never thought about that. Good point to consider!

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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2015, 08:53:47 AM »
I had to chuckle a little as I read this list, when we purchased our house a couple years ago we had about 3 houses in the entire town that was in our price range to choose from. Expanding our price up and down allowed us to consider about 6 houses, and we ended up picking the neighborhood we liked best and settling for a house we didn't really love. This year we remodeled and now the house will work well for us, and we are loving the neighborhood. Just pointing out that just because you have a list, doesn't mean you can follow it. And the most important thing is knowing the priority of your list. It still goes back to location location location, and even though other houses had better features from our list, we are very happy with the choice we made because of the location the house is in. The smaller the market the more compromises you need to make. Some day hopefully we will be able to buy a house without such huge compromises, and then I can make a big list and make sure to follow it.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2015, 09:01:49 AM »
I'm surprised, on a MMM post, how many of the "avoid" criteria are in the realm of quick/easy DIY fixes. If you want the best house for your money, cut your list down to things that really are irreconcilable (HOA, smells, traffic, and other location-based issues) or prohibitively expensive (major structural/site issues, etc). Want a finished basement? Finish it. Want a well-insulated house? Insulate it... and so on.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2015, 09:12:50 AM »
Want a finished basement? Finish it.

After living in a fixer upper for years, one of the things on our list was "no projects".

Just pointing out that just because you have a list, doesn't mean you can follow it.
Part of it depends on why you are moving.  If we weren't able to find everything on our list (or at least the big things- for instance, I don't have plumbing for a utility sink or a screen porch) we just would have not moved at all. We wanted our forever home. We weren't moving to another compromise. We already had that.
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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2015, 09:15:20 AM »
1. Not located right next to apartments. 
2. Not located right next to a group home.  Recently one of the group home residents (has special needs) was off his meds and walking through a neighborhood filled with kids, and decided to run away from the group home managers.  The police were called 4 times in a week.  How popular do you think this group home is at the moment, especially among people with little kids?

Unfortunately, group homes can be created after you move in.  My parents' area has an ongoing controversy with a group home that had residents moved into it from a city 75 miles away, under cover of night.  The home's residents have not been well behaved, there have been an average of 2 calls to emergency services per day since they were relocated by the governor (from a secure facility) months ago.  Local homeowners are not pleased that the group home is located next to a popular park with a playground.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2015, 09:19:43 AM »
After living in a fixer upper for years, one of the things on our list was "no projects".
I'd never be able to buy again >.<

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2015, 09:23:07 AM »
After living in a fixer upper for years, one of the things on our list was "no projects".
I'd never be able to buy again >.<

It's been 3 years, and we are considering finally painting over the builder beige. But we are cheap, so it might be awhile before we even do that.  But it has been a blissful project free 3 years.  The old house was nothing but something to fix.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2015, 01:27:38 PM »
Good list. Dead end streets attract all manner of ridiculous things because they have no thru traffic. As someone with no children, I don't want to hear other peoples kids loudly playing hockey complete with goal posts feet from my driveway.

What about grown ups?


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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2015, 01:56:29 PM »
I have a small but growing list.

No swimming pools

No flood zones

No tractor trailer or triaxle dumptruck traffic

No sinkhole problems

No on street parking only

Must have a full basement (for emergency shelter)

Must have a steep roof (to avoid snow accumulation in winter which causes collapses here)

Must have potential to be well insulated


I've bolded for emphasis those that are a huge factor for me, but also:

No foundation problems


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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2015, 02:11:54 PM »
Two more that I don't think have been mentioned:

1.  No roof that has less than 10 years' usable life left.  Very expensive to re-roof.

2.  No house that requires a kitchen remodel.  Any other room is ok, as is a kitchen that needs paint or a new appliance or two, but having lived through a 9 month kitchen remodel when I was a child, never again.

We redid our kitchen when we moved into our current house. We weren't particularly fantastic at the budget, but we still did it (excluding appliances, which were new enough - but including floor) for in the neighborhood of $10k if I remember correctly, and it took somewhere around one month... not nine!  My kitchen-related criteria would be EITHER a kitchen we have to do minimal stuff on, OR a kitchen that is far enough gone that we can get a good deal on the house and then make it the way we want.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2015, 02:13:14 PM »
When we bought our starter home that has now become our forever home we had only a short list of non-negotiables:

Must have either a dining room or an eat-in kitchen (believe it or not, some homes in our price range didn't have either)
Must have off-street parking
Must have a basement (unfinished or not)
Must have a deep lot that could accommodate an addition

This short list served us well. We ended up buying a home with only one bathroom on the second floor. It sucked for several years (and through two pregnancies), but now we have an addition with an extra bedroom and bathroom. We also bought a house with a relatively high ceiling in the basement. This made finishing the basement much more possible. Without the things above, this wouldn't have become our forever home, but with a few expensive tweaks (additions do NOT come cheap, especially ones with a basement), we never have to move again.

We played around with buying a house on a busy street, but we are very happy that we didn't. Also, although it is good for drainage, I can't stand houses with a steep front yard. They are a nightmare to mow. These were not non-negotiables, though. We just lucked out that we didn't buy a house that we regret.

Oh, and +1,000 to thinking about the potential for flooding and its placement regarding this. This never crossed our newbie minds, but this wet summer has let many of our friends to get flooded basements, many of whom are at the bottom of a hill.


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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2015, 02:17:46 PM »
I have a small but growing list.

No swimming pools

No flood zones

No tractor trailer or triaxle dumptruck traffic

No sinkhole problems

No on street parking only

Must have a full basement (for emergency shelter)

Must have a steep roof (to avoid snow accumulation in winter which causes collapses here)

Must have potential to be well insulated


I've bolded for emphasis those that are a huge factor for me, but also:

No foundation problems

Yes, the main thing I dislike about our house -- really the only thing -- is that it is a 1920s brick home with absolutely no insulation. Brick on plaster sucks! And the only way to really solve the problem is to either turn our period bungalow into a stucco home, or lose a decent amount of sq footage on the inside by framing in new walls with insulation. I don't really want to do either.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2015, 04:18:51 PM »
is that it is a 1920s brick home with absolutely no insulation. ....or lose a decent amount of sq footage on the inside by framing in new walls with insulation. I don't really want to do either.
Or the mustachian solution - wear down jackets indoors.

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Re: Things you avoid when buying a house
« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2015, 04:44:17 PM »
is that it is a 1920s brick home with absolutely no insulation. ....or lose a decent amount of sq footage on the inside by framing in new walls with insulation. I don't really want to do either.
Or the mustachian solution - wear down jackets indoors.

We do okay in the winter. But it sucks to always feel cold and to pay more than other people you know just to keep your house....well, honestly, fucking cold. Plus even if the thermostat says it is 65 in the house, it feels colder than 65 does in other peoples' homes. I know that sounds bogus but it's true. It's the draftiness.

The bigger problem is in the summer. When it gets into the mid-90s - which is does for a few weeks of the summer - sometimes our air runs almost constantly to keep the house at 79-80 degrees. We're no primadonnas, but I am jealous of people who can, you know, cool their homes to 76 degrees once in a while. Like I said, this is the only thing that I don't like about our house. It is solidly built, other than the fact that they didn't use insulation back then and obviously didn't place or build ducts and returns with air conditioning in mind.

In hindsight, even though I like brick homes more, I might have chosen an older frame home with all the same interior touches that this one has.

 

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