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There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« on: May 22, 2014, 12:33:22 PM »
Where I live, one is forced to get cable if you want an internet connection in your home. If you decline cable, the internet connection mysteriously costs MORE.

I have two options for internet. One is outrageously expensive, and the other is even more outrageously expensive.

My choices, as I see them, are two:

1. Sell my home and move to where a third decent and less expensive provider offers service.
2. Eliminate internet service all together.

Monopolies and near-monopolies suck.

I would consider getting rid of the internet, but spouse is quite resistant. Just think, though, the kiddo would not be able to ask about getting online because there would be no online to get onto. Bliss?





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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2014, 12:36:14 PM »
There are no options for:
- Satellite?
- Mobile hotspots?
- DSL?

You could give the kiddo a walky talky set...or the more Mustachian - 2 tin cans and a bit of string...
« Last Edit: May 22, 2014, 12:41:21 PM by Ottawa »

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2014, 12:40:32 PM »
Get the cheapest internet + cable tv bundle, then hide the cable box in the garage. Or just don't plug in the coaxial cable to the TV.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2014, 12:47:49 PM »
If you have a neighbor really close, you could always ask for their password and pitch in x$/month to piggy back off their wifi.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2014, 12:48:42 PM »
Get the cheapest internet + cable tv bundle, then hide the cable box in the garage. Or just don't plug in the coaxial cable to the TV.


Or get rid of the TV and have more room in your house.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2014, 12:51:38 PM »
Don't throw it out.  Most of the flat panel TVs make pretty decent monitors for general internet browsing type stuff.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 01:34:50 PM »
Where I live, one is forced to get cable if you want an internet connection in your home. If you decline cable, the internet connection mysteriously costs MORE.

This is pretty standard actually.  They give a cheaper "bundled rate."
Unless you mean that the internet costs more than the internet+cable, which is a bit nutty.  Definitely an opportunity for some cable provider to exploit.

If you have a neighbor really close, you could always ask for their password and pitch in x$/month to piggy back off their wifi.

I am sure this is against TOS.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 01:47:54 PM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2014, 02:15:36 PM »
Where I live, one is forced to get cable if you want an internet connection in your home. If you decline cable, the internet connection mysteriously costs MORE.

I have two options for internet. One is outrageously expensive, and the other is even more outrageously expensive.

My choices, as I see them, are two:

1. Sell my home and move to where a third decent and less expensive provider offers service.
2. Eliminate internet service all together.

Monopolies and near-monopolies suck.

I would consider getting rid of the internet, but spouse is quite resistant. Just think, though, the kiddo would not be able to ask about getting online because there would be no online to get onto. Bliss?

Same with us!  Comcast? 
We were perfectly fine with their Internet-only plan, then my husband had to call them for some reason, and they told him that if we switched to one that included cable TV it would be cheaper. Maybe they think they can make us TV addicts and raise the price in the future?

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2014, 02:20:41 PM »
You can likely get the same deal without the cable. When I had comcast i was on their 6 month special pricing @ $20. I would call every 6 months and keep it going. I didn't have cable.

Where I live, one is forced to get cable if you want an internet connection in your home. If you decline cable, the internet connection mysteriously costs MORE.

I have two options for internet. One is outrageously expensive, and the other is even more outrageously expensive.

My choices, as I see them, are two:

1. Sell my home and move to where a third decent and less expensive provider offers service.
2. Eliminate internet service all together.

Monopolies and near-monopolies suck.

I would consider getting rid of the internet, but spouse is quite resistant. Just think, though, the kiddo would not be able to ask about getting online because there would be no online to get onto. Bliss?

Same with us!  Comcast? 
We were perfectly fine with their Internet-only plan, then my husband had to call them for some reason, and they told him that if we switched to one that included cable TV it would be cheaper. Maybe they think they can make us TV addicts and raise the price in the future?

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2014, 02:24:16 PM »
CommonCents did mention this earlier.

I would be surprised if the cost of 'Internet' alone exceeds the costs of 'Internet + Cable TV' together. Yes, when you get both together, you often get a discount. But I don't think that the combined cost will be less than the cost of each individual service. If it does, then by all means, get both together BUT don't hook up the TV.

Also, check if they are charging you the rental costs for the internet modem. You might be able to buy one locally or online. That will usually pay for itself in about 12-18 months.




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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2014, 02:37:36 PM »
But I don't think that the combined cost will be less than the cost of each individual service. If it does, then by all means, get both together BUT don't hook up the TV.

If the OP hates TV and never wants to watch it, then by all means. But cutting the cord doesn't necessarily mean one is anti-television. It can be quite entertaining at times.

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2014, 02:55:36 PM »
Get the cheapest internet + cable tv bundle, then hide the cable box in the garage. Or just don't plug in the coaxial cable to the TV.

Better yet, refuse the cable box and make them give you a CableCard instead. Despite the fact that they claim the first plain cable box is "free" with the TV service subscription, insisting on a CableCard apparently entitled me to a ~$3/month bill credit.

(Note that in my case, simply refusing the cable box without asking for a CableCard instead did not cause them to give me a credit.)

I would be surprised if the cost of 'Internet' alone exceeds the costs of 'Internet + Cable TV' together. Yes, when you get both together, you often get a discount. But I don't think that the combined cost will be less than the cost of each individual service. If it does, then by all means, get both together BUT don't hook up the TV.

It happens sometimes: last year when I renegotiated my rate with Comcast, they insisted that the absolute cheapest Internet by itself was $45/month, but that there was an Internet + basic cable bundle for $40/month.

This year they have a $20/month promotional rate for Internet-only, so I happily canceled the TV part.

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2014, 03:14:07 PM »
But I don't think that the combined cost will be less than the cost of each individual service. If it does, then by all means, get both together BUT don't hook up the TV.

If the OP hates TV and never wants to watch it, then by all means. But cutting the cord doesn't necessarily mean one is anti-television. It can be quite entertaining at times.

It can also be educational.  TV is a tool of communication, just like books, computers, phones, etc.  Not all television programs are equally good or bad, just like not all websites or books are either.  Books are great.  I love books and computers, but I have learned a lot of info from the television too.  I don't advocate watching hours and hours of it each day, but I believe it can be used for good.

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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2014, 03:50:58 PM »
Don't throw it out.  Most of the flat panel TVs make pretty decent monitors for general internet browsing type stuff.

One TV is from 1998, and the other was inherited from grandma. Definitely not flat panels.

The cable box doesn't matter. It's not hard to avoid TV as I rarely like to sit still for that long unless I am reading a book. =-)

I have GOT to figure out a way to get out from under the Evil Empire.

Satellite internet access? I have never heard of that in a city...

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2014, 03:53:27 PM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.




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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2014, 03:56:52 PM »
Get the cheapest internet + cable tv bundle, then hide the cable box in the garage. Or just don't plug in the coaxial cable to the TV.

Better yet, refuse the cable box and make them give you a CableCard instead. Despite the fact that they claim the first plain cable box is "free" with the TV service subscription, insisting on a CableCard apparently entitled me to a ~$3/month bill credit.

(Note that in my case, simply refusing the cable box without asking for a CableCard instead did not cause them to give me a credit.)

I would be surprised if the cost of 'Internet' alone exceeds the costs of 'Internet + Cable TV' together. Yes, when you get both together, you often get a discount. But I don't think that the combined cost will be less than the cost of each individual service. If it does, then by all means, get both together BUT don't hook up the TV.

It happens sometimes: last year when I renegotiated my rate with Comcast, they insisted that the absolute cheapest Internet by itself was $45/month, but that there was an Internet + basic cable bundle for $40/month.

This year they have a $20/month promotional rate for Internet-only, so I happily canceled the TV part.

Where do you live, if you don't mind? I am curious because Comcast won't give me diddly. They have twice offered me a plan that costs MORE and twice offered me a plan that takes a whole $6 off. I hate them with the entire passion of my heart and will not rest until I no longer am forced to use their service. They have lied to me multiple times. They said they would reduce the cost and then--oops!--the guy said there was not $29.99 plan as the previous person had promised. So, he said I could have one for $39.99 and then--oops!--that was actually not available "in my area."

I hate them and "hate" is a word I do not use often.

I do not back down against large corporations, so I am thinking of next steps.



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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2014, 04:07:06 PM »
"Hate" is a word that tends to gives the hated entity emotional power over you - how about "detest"?  It seems to fit.

Here Bell once had Internet over satellite, so your dish could get your "cable" and your internet.  They dropped it.  Now IGS and Xplornet do rural service, and their prices are competitive by Canadian standards.  I find Xplornet has good customer service.

I hate them and "hate" is a word I do not use often.

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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2014, 06:06:15 PM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.

You may be able to get a dry loop (with no fee) without having to get land line service.  I assume there was a phone line at some point in your house.

How about tethering a cell data plan? Or using a cheap device to create a hotspot wherever you are! 

Here is a Canadian example of a hotspot http://www.windmobile.ca/plans-and-devices/plans#internet-plans


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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2014, 06:15:16 PM »
My internet company sucked hard when I called them.  However, when I went to the local office (where they actually have a vested interest in keeping customers) things went really smoothly. 

I don't know if that would apply to your situation.  I've got Time Warner, but it's not a monopoly. 

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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2014, 07:39:01 PM »
"Hate" is a word that tends to gives the hated entity emotional power over you - how about "detest"?  It seems to fit.

Here Bell once had Internet over satellite, so your dish could get your "cable" and your internet.  They dropped it.  Now IGS and Xplornet do rural service, and their prices are competitive by Canadian standards.  I find Xplornet has good customer service.

I hate them and "hate" is a word I do not use often.

They do have power over me. That is true...at least until I find another solution! =-)

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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2014, 11:06:00 PM »
Where do you live, if you don't mind? I am curious because Comcast won't give me diddly. They have twice offered me a plan that costs MORE and twice offered me a plan that takes a whole $6 off. I hate them with the entire passion of my heart and will not rest until I no longer am forced to use their service. They have lied to me multiple times. They said they would reduce the cost and then--oops!--the guy said there was not $29.99 plan as the previous person had promised. So, he said I could have one for $39.99 and then--oops!--that was actually not available "in my area."

I hate them and "hate" is a word I do not use often.

I do not back down against large corporations, so I am thinking of next steps.

I know exactly how you feel. I hate Comcast with such a passion that a while back I tried to start my own damn ISP to get away from them (unfortunately, my neighbors were not sufficiently interested). I live in Atlanta (in the city, not the suburbs) and Comcast tries to screw me around the same way they do you.

When I negotiated my rate two years ago, I agreed by phone to one rate and then got billed a higher one. It took a Better Business Bureau complaint to make them listen to their recording and admit that I really was offered that rate (and then it took another one six months later to stop them reneging on the deal again!) The lesson: if in doubt, file with the BBB.

When I renegotiated recently, I got the "not in my area" runaround too. After not getting anywhere with the first phone rep, I received a flyer in the mail with a good offer. Even citing the flyer, when I called back the phone rep still wouldn't give me the deal. I ended up having to go online and talk to an online chat rep to get it. (And then the online chat rep couldn't cancel my cable TV, so I had to call on the phone to talk to the cancellations department. Then they told me I couldn't get the deal, until I told them to read my file where I had insisted that the chat rep write it up.) Extreme persistence and insistence that they cut the bullshit can get results. Let your hatred guide you and give you strength!

I am counting the milliseconds until Google Fiber gets here. It's really the only hope.

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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2014, 11:34:19 PM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.

I have DSL without a landline. Or actually I have Uverse internet only. They keep bugging me though about adding TV.

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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2014, 11:36:53 PM »
I am counting the milliseconds until Google Fiber gets here. It's really the only hope.

Help us Obi Wan.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2014, 12:08:52 AM »
When you call for better rates, ask for the customer retention department.  That will help get you past the first line of phone monkeys who don't have the authority to give you good rates.

If all else fails, email the CEO a sarcastic thank you letter for having such shitty customer service that he saved you money by motivating you to go to a competing service. 

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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2014, 01:25:23 AM »
I feel you. Oh how I absolutely detest dealing with those #*!!%&###. See, I got enraged only by reading your story. I don't even have a problem with any provider, as I am currently sharing my internet with my neighbor, no cable. Perfect deal.
Anyway, don't forget to listen to some Rage Against the Machine after having to talk to customer "service" to let off some steam. Or even before, to get you in the right mood :-) Metallica works, too.

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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2014, 06:26:19 AM »
When you call for better rates, ask for the customer retention department.  That will help get you past the first line of phone monkeys who don't have the authority to give you good rates.

If all else fails, email the CEO a sarcastic thank you letter for having such shitty customer service that he saved you money by motivating you to go to a competing service.

I am fairly certain that they know the one competing service costs $30 more.

I already tried the customer retention thing. They lie and say they will give me a better rate and then they later say it's "not available in my area."


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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2014, 06:31:01 AM »


When I negotiated my rate two years ago, I agreed by phone to one rate and then got billed a higher one. It took a Better Business Bureau complaint to make them listen to their recording and admit that I really was offered that rate (and then it took another one six months later to stop them reneging on the deal again!) The lesson: if in doubt, file with the BBB.

When I renegotiated recently, I got the "not in my area" runaround too. After not getting anywhere with the first phone rep, I received a flyer in the mail with a good offer. Even citing the flyer, when I called back the phone rep still wouldn't give me the deal. I ended up having to go online and talk to an online chat rep to get it. (And then the online chat rep couldn't cancel my cable TV, so I had to call on the phone to talk to the cancellations department. Then they told me I couldn't get the deal, until I told them to read my file where I had insisted that the chat rep write it up.) Extreme persistence and insistence that they cut the bullshit can get results. Let your hatred guide you and give you strength!

I am counting the milliseconds until Google Fiber gets here. It's really the only hope.

The online chat people told me a deal could only be had over the phone. I call on the phone, and they said the deal could only be had via chat. Then they did the whole my-supervisor-is-in-a-meeting thing and will call you back in 24 hours. It's BS.

I am keeping written records of everything. I was thinking of writing the Attorney General's office, my rep in the House of Reps, and the BBB. I would also like to write to some journalists I know to see if this sort of story would be interesting to them.

I figure if I am going to have to waste thousands on this company, I have nothing to lose. I think a good writer with nothing to lose can be a company's worst enemy.






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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2014, 09:35:27 AM »
The online chat people told me a deal could only be had over the phone. I call on the phone, and they said the deal could only be had via chat. Then they did the whole my-supervisor-is-in-a-meeting thing and will call you back in 24 hours. It's BS.

I am keeping written records of everything. I was thinking of writing the Attorney General's office, my rep in the House of Reps, and the BBB. I would also like to write to some journalists I know to see if this sort of story would be interesting to them.

I figure if I am going to have to waste thousands on this company, I have nothing to lose. I think a good writer with nothing to lose can be a company's worst enemy.

If you're getting lied to, filing a complaint with their compliance officer will often take care of it.  If not, then the best course of action is to go to the FCC and whoever grants their license(s) in your state.  Going after their ability to operate and exposing them to fines gets their attention much faster than a lousy BBB complaint.


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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2014, 09:46:57 AM »
In the area where I have my cabin, the County installed fiber using federal grant money and allows private ISPs to operate the service. If had the desire and willingness to pay for internet in my mountain hideaway (which I definitely do not), it would be cheaper and faster than in Seattle. I am a fan of community-owned infrastructure. Infrastructure is one of those places where if people pool resources and have a not-for profit entity running it, it can be less facepunchy.

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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2014, 09:59:09 AM »
The online chat people told me a deal could only be had over the phone. I call on the phone, and they said the deal could only be had via chat. Then they did the whole my-supervisor-is-in-a-meeting thing and will call you back in 24 hours. It's BS.

I am keeping written records of everything. I was thinking of writing the Attorney General's office, my rep in the House of Reps, and the BBB. I would also like to write to some journalists I know to see if this sort of story would be interesting to them.

I figure if I am going to have to waste thousands on this company, I have nothing to lose. I think a good writer with nothing to lose can be a company's worst enemy.

If you're getting lied to, filing a complaint with their compliance officer will often take care of it.  If not, then the best course of action is to go to the FCC and whoever grants their license(s) in your state.  Going after their ability to operate and exposing them to fines gets their attention much faster than a lousy BBB complaint.

Whoa. Love this idea.

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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2014, 10:45:19 AM »
How much is Comcast?  I guess it doesn't matter, there's no cable to my house.  My DSL through Centurylink would cost about $55/month by itself, but I also have the land line phone so it's closer to $90. 

My wife needs the land line to use her TDD to make calls through a relay service, as she's deaf.  I keep asking her to find out from her deaf friends how they use phones to call hearing people but she won't do it or doesn't understand what they tell her.


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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2014, 10:57:49 AM »
How much is Comcast?  I guess it doesn't matter, there's no cable to my house.  My DSL through Centurylink would cost about $55/month by itself, but I also have the land line phone so it's closer to $90. 

"Normal" (i.e., chump) prices are probably something like $45-$60/month. Through negotiating and BBB complaints, I have been and will be paying the following (nominal prices, before taxes/junk fees):
  • mid 2012-mid 2013: $30/month (20Mbps, no TV)
  • mid 2013-mid 2014: $40/month (20Mbps, basic cable TV)
  • mid 2014-late 2014: $20/month (20Mbps (or 25? not sure), no TV)
  • late 2014-mid 2015: $25/month (20Mbps (or 25? not sure), no TV)
For comparison purposes, if (AT&T) DSL worked at my house it would cost $10-$20 for 1-6 Mbps, depending on negotiations.

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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2014, 01:05:40 PM »
How much is Comcast?  I guess it doesn't matter, there's no cable to my house.  My DSL through Centurylink would cost about $55/month by itself, but I also have the land line phone so it's closer to $90. 

My wife needs the land line to use her TDD to make calls through a relay service, as she's deaf.  I keep asking her to find out from her deaf friends how they use phones to call hearing people but she won't do it or doesn't understand what they tell her.

Couldn't she use text to voice? http://www.textrelay.org/


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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2014, 01:35:37 PM »
I lucked out that I am grandfathered as an unlimited data customer for Verizon Wireless (since all new customers and new contracts limit data to 2 gb per month, which is nothing for the money.)  So what I do for internet service is just purchase a program for a one-time fee of $8 called PDANet to use my phone as a wireless hotspot (or tether by USB cable) without paying extra to Verizon for the privilege.  I get talk, text, and unlimited internet for all my needs for under $90/mo.  All I have to do to keep it is purchase replacement phones off eBay or Amazon (or Craigslist) instead of getting a new subsidized phone and I have wireless internet anywhere I can get a 3G or 4G LTE signal.  Some people say that Verizon throttles the speed of the connection after 2 gb, but I haven't experienced that at all.  I have had no issues using the internet as I see fit.

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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2014, 01:59:32 PM »
I have Comcast and have been round the bend with them on this issue.  I'm now using OTA HD signals for my TV. I don't have a cable box. I only want their Internet service.  Turns out it is cheaper to pay for Internet + "Basic TV" than just "Internet" if all you want is internet access.   
I originally signed up for the "internet + basic", which was $52 for internet and $12 for TV because at that time you would get the unscrambled QAM signals through their cable, instead of getting them via an OTA antenna.  It seemed worth it because with that set up I got locals channels plus a few extra channels via the embedded QAM signal....

Well, true to form, they start chipping away...When they turned off the QAM signal, I switched over to an OTA signal.  Then I called them to discontinue the TV part of my package, thinking I would save money, but then the cost jumped to $65 for just the internet.
Had to have them re-add the TV part to lower my cost again. 
Maddening. 
I suppose you could just use your smartphone's 3g/4g access for the internet, but that is not practical when your children need a PC and internet for school homework assignments.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2014, 02:02:41 PM »
My wife needs the land line to use her TDD to make calls through a relay service, as she's deaf.  I keep asking her to find out from her deaf friends how they use phones to call hearing people but she won't do it or doesn't understand what they tell her.

This is yet another topic I really should tack onto the guide under the VoIP section.

711 service is supposed to be coming to VoIP operators just as 911 service is now technically required. As of right now, the only provider from the guide I know of that offers 711 service is VOIPo. That only addresses half of the service for TTY/TDD, unfortunately. There's still one major technical hurdle that must be crossed by using this sort of equipment on a VoIP line: call quality and stability, which requires a VoIP provider and ATA hardware that ideally supports the T.38 FAX codec. TTY/TDD can technically work under ideal connections with the G.711u codec as well (as some have reported), but since it's still a codec optimized for voice and not data, there can be some scrambling issues, especially if you don't do QoS control at your router to give VoIP network priority.

Basically, any provider from the guide that would work well for anyone wanting to do analog FAX, PERS or alarm service on their VoIP line should also work well with a TTY/TDD device.

Given most all the VoIP providers on the list don't provide 711 service, there are ways around this by setting up some sort of speed-dial for your state's TTY 800 number service center. I know the FCC is mandating this now and sometimes yelling at them about getting a VoIP provider active on the service might be necessary, but try reaching out to the VoIP provider first, let them know about these requirements, and try asking nicely to get the service implemented before going thermonuclear with the FCC on the issue. Something about flies, honey and vinegar. You get the idea.
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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2014, 02:15:49 PM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.

I have DSL without a landline. Or actually I have Uverse internet only. They keep bugging me though about adding TV.

I have DSL without a landline, too. Through regular old AT&T DSL, not U-Verse. It's $43/month (includes taxes, fees, etc.), which is just ok for the speeds I get, but Time Warner Cable internet is more expensive in my area. Those are the only two options I have. I got DSL because I have DISH (still under contract until September, then I'm going to try and cut the cord), which is cheaper than Time Warner.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2014, 06:07:07 PM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.

You can't get "dry loop" DSL? I thought most providers were offering it now. You definitely do not want satellite unless you're a masochist.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2014, 06:59:51 PM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.

You can't get "dry loop" DSL? I thought most providers were offering it now. You definitely do not want satellite unless you're a masochist.
Verizon did offer it and now they are removing as an option for many areas.  They removed it from ours.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2014, 07:03:29 PM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.

You can't get "dry loop" DSL? I thought most providers were offering it now. You definitely do not want satellite unless you're a masochist.
Verizon did offer it and now they are removing as an option for many areas.  They removed it from ours.

That doesn't necessarily mean you still can't do dry loop on Verizon lines through third party DSL service providers like DSLExtreme.

http://www.dslextreme.com/support/kb/order-info/stand-alone-dsl-service-faq

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2014, 07:19:18 PM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.

You can't get "dry loop" DSL? I thought most providers were offering it now. You definitely do not want satellite unless you're a masochist.
Verizon did offer it and now they are removing as an option for many areas.  They removed it from ours.

That doesn't necessarily mean you still can't do dry loop on Verizon lines through third party DSL service providers like DSLExtreme.

http://www.dslextreme.com/support/kb/order-info/stand-alone-dsl-service-faq
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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2014, 11:54:22 PM »
I have found, that when dealing with companies like this, that to tell their Customer Retention Dept that you will gladly pay their biggest competitor double what you pay them, simply to keep them from making any money....AND telling them that you are VERY active on Social Media (true or not) and can basically guarantee that you will deny them future revenue from potential customers, they cave and give you what you want for a decent price. I pay $24.00 + taxes for 15Mb internet. (They have started to charge $5/ month for modem after 5 years service....will be buying a modem next month to nip that in the bud as well). Hope this helps.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2014, 06:23:18 AM »
I have found, that when dealing with companies like this, that to tell their Customer Retention Dept that you will gladly pay their biggest competitor double what you pay them, simply to keep them from making any money....AND telling them that you are VERY active on Social Media (true or not) and can basically guarantee that you will deny them future revenue from potential customers, they cave and give you what you want for a decent price. I pay $24.00 + taxes for 15Mb internet. (They have started to charge $5/ month for modem after 5 years service....will be buying a modem next month to nip that in the bud as well). Hope this helps.

Thanks. I did that. Did not work. They don't care.


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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2014, 06:27:45 AM »
I lucked out that I am grandfathered as an unlimited data customer for Verizon Wireless (since all new customers and new contracts limit data to 2 gb per month, which is nothing for the money.)  So what I do for internet service is just purchase a program for a one-time fee of $8 called PDANet to use my phone as a wireless hotspot (or tether by USB cable) without paying extra to Verizon for the privilege.  I get talk, text, and unlimited internet for all my needs for under $90/mo.  All I have to do to keep it is purchase replacement phones off eBay or Amazon (or Craigslist) instead of getting a new subsidized phone and I have wireless internet anywhere I can get a 3G or 4G LTE signal.  Some people say that Verizon throttles the speed of the connection after 2 gb, but I haven't experienced that at all.  I have had no issues using the internet as I see fit.

Thank you. I will look into PDAnet. I had been wondering if it would make sense to go back to a standard phone plane with the internet and then see if/how I can legally use it as a hotspot.

I also looked into getting AT&T, which I can get via my iPad. The cost is high for what you get though and the amount of data is small.

I am attempting to leave no stone unturned.


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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2014, 06:29:57 AM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.

You can't get "dry loop" DSL? I thought most providers were offering it now. You definitely do not want satellite unless you're a masochist.
Verizon did offer it and now they are removing as an option for many areas.  They removed it from ours.

That doesn't necessarily mean you still can't do dry loop on Verizon lines through third party DSL service providers like DSLExtreme.

http://www.dslextreme.com/support/kb/order-info/stand-alone-dsl-service-faq
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Sadly, I entered my address on the website and was told DSL Extreme is not available in my area. I will consider internet access options in my new location if I ever move again. It really stinks to be stuck with these limited terrible choices. It's...unAmerican! lol In a country where I can chose from 95 detergents at the grocery store, you'd think I'd have more selection for internet access. (I know it's different...just kidding around. )


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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2014, 07:17:57 AM »
I'm almost positive you can get DSL much cheaper.

DSL is via the phone company. One then is forced to get a land line with the internet instead of the cable with the internet. It costs $30 more than the Cable Company of Doom.

You can't get "dry loop" DSL? I thought most providers were offering it now. You definitely do not want satellite unless you're a masochist.
Verizon did offer it and now they are removing as an option for many areas.  They removed it from ours.

That doesn't necessarily mean you still can't do dry loop on Verizon lines through third party DSL service providers like DSLExtreme.

http://www.dslextreme.com/support/kb/order-info/stand-alone-dsl-service-faq
I could kiss you!

Sadly, I entered my address on the website and was told DSL Extreme is not available in my area. I will consider internet access options in my new location if I ever move again. It really stinks to be stuck with these limited terrible choices. It's...unAmerican! lol In a country where I can chose from 95 detergents at the grocery store, you'd think I'd have more selection for internet access. (I know it's different...just kidding around. )
I am sorry it did not work for you, but extremely happy it worked for me. It is going to save me $8/month.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2014, 07:18:26 AM »
http://millenicom.com/

This is mobile wifi.  I looked and I use less than their maximum.  At the moment I'm in a single location so I have Cox for internet, which is slightly cheaper.  However, as a way to get out from under Comcast, it might be an option.

Then again, if it doesn't appear to be a good solution I'd like to know that as well, since at some point I'll probably go to them just to have the mobility.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2014, 07:22:27 AM »
http://millenicom.com/

This is mobile wifi.  I looked and I use less than their maximum.  At the moment I'm in a single location so I have Cox for internet, which is slightly cheaper.  However, as a way to get out from under Comcast, it might be an option.

Then again, if it doesn't appear to be a good solution I'd like to know that as well, since at some point I'll probably go to them just to have the mobility.

I would love that! That is what AT&T offered--sort of--with their "iPad plan." My name and not theirs.

The mobile wifi you mentioned says you can download 20 GB. I am not sure how much we use yet.

I did notice that it costs $165 to start up and then $90/month. That is more than I pay now, yet I will look for other mobile wifi plans now that I now they exist.

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Re: There's No Such Thing as "No Cable"
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2014, 08:33:46 AM »
Oldtoyota, I'm finding it surprising that none of the tactics mentioned so far are working for you. Where (roughly) do you live? Maybe knowing the specific market we can find better options for you.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!