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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2017, 06:24:34 AM »
Words of Wisdom: Chase your savings rate before interest rates.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2017, 07:00:27 AM »
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This means that out of every $100 in after-tax income Americans bring in, approximately $5.70 is being saved for things like retirement, emergency expenses, and rainy-day savings.

Why are people saving after tax income for retirement? They really ought to be putting more of that in pre-tax if their savings rate is so low!

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2017, 07:08:09 AM »
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save more money, put it in the right places, and allocate it wisely. If you do all of those well, your dream of financial freedom could become a reality.

This makes me cringe a little. This is what the financial planners say, then start making high fee portfolios with front load charges for people.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2017, 09:16:55 AM »
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This means that out of every $100 in after-tax income Americans bring in, approximately $5.70 is being saved for things like retirement, emergency expenses, and rainy-day savings.

Why are people saving after tax income for retirement? They really ought to be putting more of that in pre-tax if their savings rate is so low!

I suspect it is a combo of reasons. 1) Ignorance: plenty of people don't understand 401ks and IRAs and the tax implications of each. I've had to explain this to several college educated people I know. 2) Lack of access: A lot of people (I think approx 50% of workers) do not have access to a 401k through work, so aren't prodded by the potential match. Those people could still do IRAs of course, and some do. 3) Uncertain cash flow/lack of emergency fund: lots of people need their savings accounts to do double or triple duty (retirement and emergency fund, etc.) and do not want to 'lock up' savings in a vehicle that would be hard to access without penalty.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2017, 09:44:19 AM »
That's not bad.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2017, 09:52:14 AM »
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This means that out of every $100 in after-tax income Americans bring in, approximately $5.70 is being saved for things like retirement, emergency expenses, and rainy-day savings.

Why are people saving after tax income for retirement? They really ought to be putting more of that in pre-tax if their savings rate is so low!

I suspect it is a combo of reasons. 1) Ignorance: plenty of people don't understand 401ks and IRAs and the tax implications of each. I've had to explain this to several college educated people I know. 2) Lack of access: A lot of people (I think approx 50% of workers) do not have access to a 401k through work, so aren't prodded by the potential match. Those people could still do IRAs of course, and some do. 3) Uncertain cash flow/lack of emergency fund: lots of people need their savings accounts to do double or triple duty (retirement and emergency fund, etc.) and do not want to 'lock up' savings in a vehicle that would be hard to access without penalty.

Makes sense. I should check my privilege.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2017, 10:08:25 AM »
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This means that out of every $100 in after-tax income Americans bring in, approximately $5.70 is being saved for things like retirement, emergency expenses, and rainy-day savings.

Why are people saving after tax income for retirement? They really ought to be putting more of that in pre-tax if their savings rate is so low!

I suspect it is a combo of reasons. 1) Ignorance: plenty of people don't understand 401ks and IRAs and the tax implications of each. I've had to explain this to several college educated people I know. 2) Lack of access: A lot of people (I think approx 50% of workers) do not have access to a 401k through work, so aren't prodded by the potential match. Those people could still do IRAs of course, and some do. 3) Uncertain cash flow/lack of emergency fund: lots of people need their savings accounts to do double or triple duty (retirement and emergency fund, etc.) and do not want to 'lock up' savings in a vehicle that would be hard to access without penalty.

I heard that 401K is just Wall Street stealing your money. Stay away!! Invest in an iPhone and an Audi instead.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2017, 10:47:53 AM »
Higher than I expected actually.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2017, 11:16:28 AM »
Neat to get that update. Here's a breakdown by age group. Millennial's coming in at -2%.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/02/02/heres-how-much-the-typical-american-saved-last-yea.aspx

Wonder what the average Mustachian savings rate would be?

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2017, 11:46:20 AM »
Neat to get that update. Here's a breakdown by age group. Millennial's coming in at -2%.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/02/02/heres-how-much-the-typical-american-saved-last-yea.aspx

Wonder what the average Mustachian savings rate would be?

Not doing the actual math but it looks to be around 40-50% from this poll here:

http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/what-is-your-savings-rate/

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2017, 12:27:09 PM »
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This means that out of every $100 in after-tax income Americans bring in, approximately $5.70 is being saved for things like retirement, emergency expenses, and rainy-day savings.

Why are people saving after tax income for retirement? They really ought to be putting more of that in pre-tax if their savings rate is so low!

I suspect it is a combo of reasons. 1) Ignorance: plenty of people don't understand 401ks and IRAs and the tax implications of each. I've had to explain this to several college educated people I know. 2) Lack of access: A lot of people (I think approx 50% of workers) do not have access to a 401k through work, so aren't prodded by the potential match. Those people could still do IRAs of course, and some do. 3) Uncertain cash flow/lack of emergency fund: lots of people need their savings accounts to do double or triple duty (retirement and emergency fund, etc.) and do not want to 'lock up' savings in a vehicle that would be hard to access without penalty.

Makes sense. I should check my privilege.

While I always understood there were advantages to be had, I never took the time to investigate where or how to get them because my savings was so low, it didn't seem worth my time.  Only when i started to bring in decent money and see some commas in my savings did I worry enough to not want to fuck things up.  That's when I started learning.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2017, 01:04:59 PM »
-2% for <35 year olds? Does that mean that the average under 35 year old person spends 2% more each month than they make? Meaning they're either dipping into their savings or racking up debt?

Or did I not get that right?

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2017, 01:11:14 PM »
-2% for <35 year olds? Does that mean that the average under 35 year old person spends 2% more each month than they make? Meaning they're either dipping into their savings or racking up debt?

Or did I not get that right?

Could also be spending parents money.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2017, 01:15:38 PM »
-2% for <35 year olds? Does that mean that the average under 35 year old person spends 2% more each month than they make? Meaning they're either dipping into their savings or racking up debt?

Or did I not get that right?
I don't think they have savings to dip into. They are racking up debt.  Much of it is probably student loan debt.

I wonder how they factor mortgages into these calculations.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2017, 01:54:57 PM »
A negative overall savings rate for the college or recently graduated-age doesn't surprise me.  An average rate of nearly 6% is astounding.  Wasn't it practically zero just a decade ago?  Or are we looking at different ways of measuring "savings?"

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2017, 01:56:30 PM »
A negative overall savings rate for the college or recently graduated-age doesn't surprise me.  An average rate of nearly 6% is astounding.  Wasn't it practically zero just a decade ago?  Or are we looking at different ways of measuring "savings?"

I swear I remember hearing that the average US savings rate was negative before the housing crash.  I'm pleasantly surprised that it's as high as it is now.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2017, 02:29:12 PM »
A negative overall savings rate for the college or recently graduated-age doesn't surprise me.  An average rate of nearly 6% is astounding.  Wasn't it practically zero just a decade ago?  Or are we looking at different ways of measuring "savings?"

I swear I remember hearing that the average US savings rate was negative before the housing crash.  I'm pleasantly surprised that it's as high as it is now.

Looks like most sites show a low in 2005 of 1.90% so there were certainly parts of the population that would have been negative.  Highest was 17% in 1975.

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2017, 09:35:58 AM »

While I always understood there were advantages to be had, I never took the time to investigate where or how to get them because my savings was so low, it didn't seem worth my time.  Only when i started to bring in decent money and see some commas in my savings did I worry enough to not want to fuck things up.  That's when I started learning.

same here

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Re: The US savings rate is 5.7%
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2017, 11:06:08 AM »

While I always understood there were advantages to be had, I never took the time to investigate where or how to get them because my savings was so low, it didn't seem worth my time.  Only when i started to bring in decent money and see some commas in my savings did I worry enough to not want to fuck things up.  That's when I started learning.

same here

Same.  Also, I think this savings rate is a pleasant surprise for Americans, who are notoriously terrible savers. I wonder how much is due to 'forced' savings because loan restrictions have tightened so much? (Related: will the savings rate then plummet again when the GOP inevitably loosens restrictions back up? Let's check back in four years...)

 

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