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« on: December 11, 2018, 04:54:19 PM »
Ever hear of rich dad poor dad? The author Robert Kiyosaki teamed up with Lear Capital to promote his books and sell gold.   In the video he really brings up some great points and advice to cope for the disaster looming in the future. To start;

1.  Investing in stocks and mutual funds is dead. Stocks are merely just pieces of paper that are manipulated, and starting in the year 2000 we are doomed to never see another meaningful rise again. After all we had 3 major crashes.

2. Your pension will fail. So will your 401k. And he’s right.

3. Social security will never be there for you if you didn’t serve in Vietnam.

4. Hyper inflation is coming and the US dollar will fall.

I know this all sounds horrible but we can all do some steps to combat this dystopian future.

1. Sell 100% of your investments* including but not limited to bonds, etfs, our even our beloved VTSAX. It hasn’t and won’t work anymore. Not sense 2000 anyway. The good old days are gone.

2. Buy silver and gold to replace your 401k or pension from now on*.   Dispite lethargic historic growth this is where you want to be. You may also diversify into chicken eggs as well. Just be sure to check local ordnance’s for raising poultry in your area.

3. Social security is doomed. Just follow the items in step 2 and you’ll be fine.

4.  As our currency will soon fail, load up on gold and silver. If you choose to do so you may sell chicken eggs as well. This will keep your portfolio in tact.

If you want to see it for yourself check out the link.

Rich dad poor dad is a financial guru who has ran down several companies due to outstanding debt and poor business practices and is a trusted name among millions

https://youtu.be/CmKz0OmDtks

*selling assets in your tax advantaged accounts can be complex and expensive to access. You might want to keep them. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow but figured I should add it in anyway

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2018, 05:13:10 PM »
Sounds like your a diehard zerohedge fanatic. But in all seriousness, NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2018, 06:56:28 PM »
OP , I hope your posting this as a joke...

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2018, 07:00:05 PM »
Hahahahahaha

... wait, you were kidding, right? Because, if not --

Hahahahahaha!

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2018, 07:34:58 PM »
What about tin foil futures?  It will be a high demand commodity when everybody needs a hat to protect themselves from the falling sky....

Since world war II, the government has been debasing our tin foil with valueless aluminum.

Need to get the USA back to the tin standard or we're clear in for hyper-mind control going forward.

In the meantime, only invest in pre-1935 tin foil. ;-)

(As with others, I cannot tell if OP's post is in jest or serious.)

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2018, 07:56:20 PM »
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Rich dad poor dad is a financial guru who has ran down several companies due to outstanding debt and poor business practices and is a trusted name among millions
I'm voting for jest.

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2018, 08:00:49 PM »
What about tin foil futures?  It will be a high demand commodity when everybody needs a hat to protect themselves from the falling sky....

Since world war II, the government has been debasing our tin foil with valueless aluminum.

Need to get the USA back to the tin standard or we're clear in for hyper-mind control going forward.

In the meantime, only invest in pre-1935 tin foil. ;-)

(As with others, I cannot tell if OP's post is in jest or serious.)

In my old field, (radiochemistry, gamma spectroscopy) a desire for pre-WWII steel and lead is a thing.

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2018, 08:12:34 PM »
Is that because the other metals in it are less likely to be radioactive isotopes from atom bomb testing?

If so, I would like to buy one ton to make my bomb shelter / cat food vault.

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2018, 08:15:41 PM »
Ever hear of rich dad poor dad? The author Robert Kiyosaki teamed up with Lear Capital to promote his books and sell gold.   In the video he really brings up some great points and advice to cope for the disaster looming in the future. To start;

1.  Investing in stocks and mutual funds is dead. Stocks are merely just pieces of paper that are manipulated, and starting in the year 2000 we are doomed to never see another meaningful rise again. After all we had 3 major crashes.

2. Your pension will fail. So will your 401k. And he’s right.

3. Social security will never be there for you if you didn’t serve in Vietnam.

4. Hyper inflation is coming and the US dollar will fall.

I know this all sounds horrible but we can all do some steps to combat this dystopian future.

1. Sell 100% of your investments* including but not limited to bonds, etfs, our even our beloved VTSAX. It hasn’t and won’t work anymore. Not sense 2000 anyway. The good old days are gone.

2. Buy silver and gold to replace your 401k or pension from now on*.   Dispite lethargic historic growth this is where you want to be. You may also diversify into chicken eggs as well. Just be sure to check local ordnance’s for raising poultry in your area.

3. Social security is doomed. Just follow the items in step 2 and you’ll be fine.

4.  As our currency will soon fail, load up on gold and silver. If you choose to do so you may sell chicken eggs as well. This will keep your portfolio in tact.

If you want to see it for yourself check out the link.

Rich dad poor dad is a financial guru who has ran down several companies due to outstanding debt and poor business practices and is a trusted name among millions

https://youtu.be/CmKz0OmDtks

*selling assets in your tax advantaged accounts can be complex and expensive to access. You might want to keep them. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow but figured I should add it in anyway

Step away from the bong.  Repeat:  Step away from the bong. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2018, 09:10:17 PM »
Is that because the other metals in it are less likely to be radioactive isotopes from atom bomb testing?

If so, I would like to buy one ton to make my bomb shelter / cat food vault.

Generally, yes, especially Cobalt-60, which has two high energy gammas per disintegration.
Some isotopes of iron are radioactive themselves.  It is important in very low background measurements, not so much for determining health hazards, which are much larger amounts easily detected.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2018, 09:36:15 PM »
I'm voting for jest.

I would have thought so too, but given how many typos are in the post the OP may actually believe it.  ordnance’s, in tact, Dispite...

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2018, 09:41:40 PM »
I'd guess the OP is not sarcastic given that rational thought is so passé these days. What has happened that so many loonies are cropping up in the US these days? Were there always this many conspiracy theorists around and I just never noticed because the president wasn't constantly retweeting them? Or has something been added to the water recently? (Dam them Illuminati and they're water poizoning!!1!)

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2018, 10:05:53 PM »
I'd guess the OP is not sarcastic given that rational thought is so passé these days. What has happened that so many loonies are cropping up in the US these days? Were there always this many conspiracy theorists around and I just never noticed because the president wasn't constantly retweeting them? Or has something been added to the water recently? (Dam them Illuminati and they're water poizoning!!1!)

Well, if the OP is from Flint, MI then yes, the municipal water was poisoned. Otherwise, the Trump Admin is planning to roll back the Clean Water Act so there may soon be “something” in much of the water supply.

The US has always had its share of nutjobs. They’re coming out of the shadows because now everyone’s opinion counts equally as fact unless it’s an actual fact, at which point the White House declares it to be “fake news.”

That said, the disclaimer in italics in the original post suggests to me that it is satire.

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2018, 10:56:00 PM »
He's obviously being sarcastic:

"Rich dad poor dad is a financial guru who has ran down several companies due to outstanding debt and poor business practices and is a trusted name among millions"


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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2018, 01:02:09 AM »
Don't show this to my GF

She may start saying a ring is an investment. (Ok joke aside where she is from jewelry is seen as a sort of investment/store of wealth)

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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2018, 02:02:50 AM »
How can there be any debate about whether it's sarcastic? It's hilarious too.

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2018, 02:27:11 AM »
The subject matter was very misleading. Disappointed another fairytale

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2018, 03:56:24 AM »
Don't show this to my GF

She may start saying a ring is an investment. (Ok joke aside where she is from jewelry is seen as a sort of investment/store of wealth)

I read an article in a (Norwegian) financial magazine that was about diamonds. The article was about how to distingue expensive diamonds from (slightly) cheaper diamonds. Answer is that only a qualified professional can tell the difference, and even they don't agree with each other. Shops can also bluff you into buying the cheaper type for the real thing. Conclusion: real, expensive diamonds keep their value because they are rare. Especially Australian diamonds are, because they are rarer. They are a good investment. You'll need to buy them in a trusted (read: expensive) shop.

Maybe, if everyone follows the instructions in the first post, the gold and silver prices will indeed go up for a while?

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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2018, 04:45:14 AM »
OP , I hope your posting this as a joke...

+1 Utter BS...

Robert Kiyosaki has been promoting gold for the last 15 years or so.

The argument of not owning "paper assets" has also been used as fear mongering among marketers of books, investment news letters, and management firms.

Those "paper assets" represent REAL companies with real earnings. Owning bonds are contracts to those companies as well as national and local governments. GNMA bonds are loans to outstanding mortgages...as in real estate loans. Owning REIT'S will give you real estate exposure as well.

In short, companies will continue to do business, sell you and I goods and services, and take out loans for operating costs.
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2018, 05:00:38 AM »
How can there be any debate about whether it's sarcastic? It's hilarious too.

Indeed, the sarcasm is dropping off the original post.

I checked some of the other posts by the OP and he seems like a normal MMM-poster in general, despite a low number of posts.

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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2018, 05:34:25 AM »
I'm voting for jest.

I would have thought so too, but given how many typos are in the post the OP may actually believe it.  ordnance’s, in tact, Dispite...

I noticed the grammar, such as "has ran down."  Snobby of me, I know, but when I see such poor grammar, there is a part of me that doubts whatever the writer is trying to say.

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2018, 06:44:08 AM »
Gold and silver are for sheep who can't think for themselves and blindly follow some leader.  I've gone my own way as a strict contrarian and bought coal.  Physical coal.  I made a special deal where I only have to store 100 tons in my yard.  Another 900 tons are stored at the mine for me.  When the meteor crashes into all those solar panels and the government outlaws fracking, making natural gas generators obsolete, all those power plants are going to be paying through the nose for coal and that's when I strike and sell my 1,000 tons for one hundred BILLION dollars.

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2018, 07:43:03 AM »
Gold and silver are for sheep who can't think for themselves and blindly follow some leader.  I've gone my own way as a strict contrarian and bought coal.  Physical coal.  I made a special deal where I only have to store 100 tons in my yard.  Another 900 tons are stored at the mine for me.  When the meteor crashes into all those solar panels and the government outlaws fracking, making natural gas generators obsolete, all those power plants are going to be paying through the nose for coal and that's when I strike and sell my 1,000 tons for one hundred BILLION dollars.

Now this is some quality sarcasm.

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2018, 10:49:03 AM »
Sorry soccerluvof4.  The title was based on Robert Kyosaki’s comments in the beginning of the video.  My intent was not to disappoint you. Yes my grammar could be better but no I was not serious. As I watched the video I cringed at “stocks are just paper”.  My real plan is to invest in 100% stocks, mostly through indexing in vtsax or vti with maybe a small percentage of individual stocks (>5%) mostly for fun. Maybe one day I might buy a few tons of coal to add to my portfolio from car jack in the future too. Great plan by the way! 

On a side note... are there really any people on this forum who think stocks are really just paper with no “real” value?

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2018, 12:15:54 PM »
Its worthwhile to read the Wikipedia article on Robert Kiyosaki. The guru has some flaws and failures.

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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2018, 01:30:15 PM »
I strongly recommend moving your money to scrotal tissue. It will absolutely be the currency of the future. Once civilization collapses and we lose the ability to mine metals from the earth, we'll need something to replace gold as a store of value. Since the global population will decline, ball paper will retain its value. You can't just print more of it so you can trust that the value will be stable.

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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2018, 01:41:22 PM »
When is the last time a stock certificate was actually printed on paper? I know they sell old ones on eBay and stuff.

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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2018, 01:50:36 PM »
You might enjoy reading "Pound Foolish." The author covers the Rich Dad, Poor Dad fiasco, as well as the philosophies of several other prominent financial gurus.

https://www.amazon.com/Pound-Foolish-Exposing-Personal-Industry/dp/1591844894

Here's a description:

If you’ve ever bought a personal finance book, watched a TV show about stock picking, listened to a radio show about getting out of debt, or attended a seminar to help you plan for your retirement, you’ve probably heard some version of these quotes:

“What’s keeping you from being rich? In most cases, it is simply a lack of belief.” —SUZE ORMAN, The Courage to Be Rich

“Are you latte-ing away your financial future?” —DAVID BACH, Smart Women Finish Rich

“I know you’re capable of picking winning stocks and holding on to them.” —JIM CRAMER, Mad Money

They’re common refrains among personal finance gurus. There’s just one problem: those and many simi­lar statements are false.

For the past few decades, Americans have spent billions of dollars on personal finance products. As salaries have stagnated and companies have cut back on benefits, we’ve taken matters into our own hands, embracing the can-do attitude that if we’re smart enough, we can overcome even daunting financial obstacles. But that’s not true.

In this meticulously reported and shocking book, journalist and former financial columnist Helaine Olen goes behind the curtain of the personal finance industry to expose the myths, contradictions, and outright lies it has perpetuated. She shows how an industry that started as a response to the Great Depression morphed into a behemoth that thrives by selling us products and services that offer little if any help.

Olen calls out some of the biggest names in the business, revealing how even the most respected gurus have engaged in dubious, even deceitful, prac­tices—from accepting payments from banks and corporations in exchange for promoting certain prod­ucts to blaming the victims of economic catastrophe for their own financial misfortune. Pound Foolish also disproves many myths about spending and saving, including:

    Small pleasures can bankrupt you: Gurus popular­ized the idea that cutting out lattes and other small expenditures could make us millionaires. But reduc­ing our caffeine consumption will not offset our biggest expenses: housing, education, health care, and retirement.
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    Women need extra help managing money: Product pushers often target women, whose alleged financial ignorance supposedly leaves them especially at risk. In reality, women and men are both terrible at han­dling finances.
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« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2018, 02:37:28 PM »
Stocks are pieces of paper, yes...so what? If it's good enough for Warren Buffet, good enough for me. I generally trust the advice of people not actively trying to screw me out of money over hucksters like Kyosaki. It's a shame so many people respect this guy.

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« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2018, 02:58:18 PM »
A lot nuttier stuff than paper has been used for currency over the centuries. 

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« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2018, 06:04:10 PM »
A lot nuttier stuff than paper has been used for currency over the centuries.
I see what you did there!

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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2018, 06:58:50 PM »
In the meantime, only invest in pre-1935 tin foil. ;-)

I traded all of my pre-1935 tin foil for pre-1964 Model 70 Winchester rifles.

That's the only thing that will really matter when these things come to pass.

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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2018, 02:43:00 AM »
Rich Dad Poor Dad was a good book for noobs. But this guy is a sleazeball.

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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2018, 04:00:23 AM »
Sorry soccerluvof4.  The title was based on Robert Kyosaki’s comments in the beginning of the video.  My intent was not to disappoint you. Yes my grammar could be better but no I was not serious. As I watched the video I cringed at “stocks are just paper”.  My real plan is to invest in 100% stocks, mostly through indexing in vtsax or vti with maybe a small percentage of individual stocks (>5%) mostly for fun. Maybe one day I might buy a few tons of coal to add to my portfolio from car jack in the future too. Great plan by the way! 

On a side note... are there really any people on this forum who think stocks are really just paper with no “real” value?


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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2018, 10:30:35 AM »
Gold and silver are for sheep who can't think for themselves and blindly follow some leader.  I've gone my own way as a strict contrarian and bought coal.  Physical coal.  I made a special deal where I only have to store 100 tons in my yard.  Another 900 tons are stored at the mine for me.  When the meteor crashes into all those solar panels and the government outlaws fracking, making natural gas generators obsolete, all those power plants are going to be paying through the nose for coal and that's when I strike and sell my 1,000 tons for one hundred BILLION dollars.

And the great part about coal, is that if you have a large enough pile, it self-combusts! So you can use it to heat your house in the meantime! It's a win-win!

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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2018, 12:19:56 PM »
I supply coal to Santa.  He picks it up at Newcastle, every December 23.

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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2018, 01:43:40 PM »
Gold and silver are for sheep who can't think for themselves and blindly follow some leader.  I've gone my own way as a strict contrarian and bought coal.  Physical coal.  I made a special deal where I only have to store 100 tons in my yard.  Another 900 tons are stored at the mine for me.  When the meteor crashes into all those solar panels and the government outlaws fracking, making natural gas generators obsolete, all those power plants are going to be paying through the nose for coal and that's when I strike and sell my 1,000 tons for one hundred BILLION dollars.

And the great part about coal, is that if you have a large enough pile, it self-combusts! So you can use it to heat your house in the meantime! It's a win-win

Be careful, Remember the Maine!  (at least the alternate explanations of coal bunker fire/explosions).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_%28ACR-1%29

Edit: TL;DR of the wiki article; "coal bunker fire/explosions"


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« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2018, 12:26:26 PM »
I'd guess the OP is not sarcastic given that rational thought is so passé these days. What has happened that so many loonies are cropping up in the US these days? Were there always this many conspiracy theorists around and I just never noticed because the president wasn't constantly retweeting them? Or has something been added to the water recently? (Dam them Illuminati and they're water poizoning!!1!)

There have always been loonies.  The internet has provided a place to congregate.  I don't think OP is one of them.