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BurtMacklin

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The Comfort Crisis
« on: July 30, 2023, 10:53:19 AM »
In MMM's recent post- he recommended reading "The Comfort Crisis"- by Michael Easter. I read it and agree, it's a great read.

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Re: The Comfort Crisis
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2023, 11:35:37 AM »
Maybe this should be posted to The Mustachian Book Club?
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/mustachian-book-club/

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Re: The Comfort Crisis
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2023, 02:50:49 PM »
Maybe this should be posted to The Mustachian Book Club?

Maybe, but the concepts are general-discussion in nature.

Easter gets into the notion of leaving a society, facing a significant challenge that changes you, and incorporating what you learned into your worldview as you re-enter the society…and share it with others.

He refers to this as a misogy event, referring to the Japanese water cleansing ritual, but it’s really something that is shared by dozens of societies throughout the world over vast periods of time. Joseph Campbell would see this as a standard hero journey. Think The Odyssey, Christ, Star Wars, etc.

Good stuff.

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Re: The Comfort Crisis
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2023, 02:20:35 PM »
I haven't read the book, but the post was a little cringy.  To be brutally honest though, most of MMM's content since his divorce has been slightly cringy, irrelevant and hard to relate to.  He acknowledges how silly his "challenge" is--multimillionaire goes on a camping trip and plays with tools, but that didn't do enough to diffuse the cringe for me. 


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Re: The Comfort Crisis
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2023, 08:35:48 PM »
I read it after MMM's latest post and would give it 3.5 out of 5 stars. The parts about being underchallenged, rights of passage, Misogi, etc. resonated with me. But there's a lot of naturalism fallacy and no shortage of speculative causation throughout the book, which reminded me of the Paleo Diet (which he criticizes). It's an easy read though and caused me to reflect anew about where I might be accepting too much comfort and, especially, societal conditioning.

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Re: The Comfort Crisis
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2023, 02:48:41 PM »
My read of The Comfort Crisis is that it's the outdoorsy counterpart to David Brooks's The Second Mountain: they're self-help books for straight white guys who work comfortable jobs that aren't serving any profound purpose.  And there's a real audience of guys who grew up in suburbia with a functional middle class family, got ushered into a reasonable college, and now look at spreadsheets all day.

But writing about how hard your fly-in caribou hunting trip was, or any other super expensive "challenge" that you can concoct was, comes off pretty hollow to people who haven't been on the glide path in life.  It's probably not going to resonate with someone who grew up with unstable housing in New York, or in a refugee camp in Kenya, or as a gay teenager in rural South Dakota with evangelical parents in the '80s.

There's a reasonable message for a somewhat narrow audience in books like The Comfort Crisis, and that's great so far as it goes.  What irks me a bit about them, though, is a tendency to pretend that everyone is similarly comfortable, and an avoidance of any suggestion that the intended audience needs these books as an anecdote to the massive tailwinds and privileges they've had in life, while the vast majority of people on earth and even in the US don't need it because their lives are not comfortable.  The presumption that the straight white male keyboard jockey is the norm covers over the genuinely uncomfortable reality that they're really not the norm.

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Re: The Comfort Crisis
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2023, 03:49:29 PM »
My read of The Comfort Crisis is that it's the outdoorsy counterpart to David Brooks's The Second Mountain: they're self-help books for straight white guys who work comfortable jobs that aren't serving any profound purpose.  And there's a real audience of guys who grew up in suburbia with a functional middle class family, got ushered into a reasonable college, and now look at spreadsheets all day.

But writing about how hard your fly-in caribou hunting trip was, or any other super expensive "challenge" that you can concoct was, comes off pretty hollow to people who haven't been on the glide path in life.  It's probably not going to resonate with someone who grew up with unstable housing in New York, or in a refugee camp in Kenya, or as a gay teenager in rural South Dakota with evangelical parents in the '80s.

There's a reasonable message for a somewhat narrow audience in books like The Comfort Crisis, and that's great so far as it goes.  What irks me a bit about them, though, is a tendency to pretend that everyone is similarly comfortable, and an avoidance of any suggestion that the intended audience needs these books as an anecdote to the massive tailwinds and privileges they've had in life, while the vast majority of people on earth and even in the US don't need it because their lives are not comfortable.  The presumption that the straight white male keyboard jockey is the norm covers over the genuinely uncomfortable reality that they're really not the norm.

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I had a whole response typed out, but deleted it because nothing more really needed to be said. You nailed it.