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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #150 on: December 15, 2014, 04:54:43 AM »
My company has a 3 month leave of absence policy (awesome). I have 2 managers (mentor, sponsor). It's a flat organization, IT. Very much a mix of California and New York styles. I like it.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #151 on: December 16, 2014, 10:47:55 PM »
Slightly off topic...but this made me laugh...and applies to so many companies...no matter where in the world in my experience!

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #152 on: December 17, 2014, 07:56:45 PM »
Oh god, yes. I have nothing to do at work - I'm an auditor, and am in between project years. This is actually more of a problem for me because my desk is right at the front, so anyone walking by can see me and my computer. Also, no sound, so can't watch videos. I read all of MMM's posts in about 2 weeks at work, and am now browsing my way through the forum.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #153 on: December 17, 2014, 10:58:49 PM »
Oh god, yes. I have nothing to do at work - I'm an auditor, and am in between project years. This is actually more of a problem for me because my desk is right at the front, so anyone walking by can see me and my computer. Also, no sound, so can't watch videos. I read all of MMM's posts in about 2 weeks at work, and am now browsing my way through the forum.

I hate open office plans. I used to have the same problem. Thankfully at my curent job I have my own office and I can close the dorr and nobody can see inside. Perfect for the do-nothing days!

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #154 on: December 18, 2014, 12:21:29 AM »

I always say, it takes hard work to be as lazy as I am.

Very often so true.  Great quote.

But, I think that is what we put up with rather than prefer.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #155 on: December 18, 2014, 06:45:42 AM »
Slightly off topic...but this made me laugh...and applies to so many companies...no matter where in the world in my experience!

http://iflanimals.com/?p=99

This made me chuckle. Too true. Everyone wants a title.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #156 on: December 18, 2014, 10:10:45 AM »
I totally don't get this.  I am a professor, and when my work is done, it is done.  If I piss around at work, the homework is still there for me to grade, the lesson for tomorrow still needs to be written and the grant application is still due.  If I don't get it done, I have to take it home as it all has deadlines.  Why in the world would I want to piss around at work?  I still do :) but I pay for it later.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #157 on: December 18, 2014, 03:11:10 PM »
I totally don't get this.  I am a professor, and when my work is done, it is done.  If I piss around at work, the homework is still there for me to grade, the lesson for tomorrow still needs to be written and the grant application is still due.  If I don't get it done, I have to take it home as it all has deadlines.  Why in the world would I want to piss around at work?  I still do :) but I pay for it later.

Ah, but what if the class you are prepping for  is actually a seminar series not for another month, and once you have prepped for it, others will find busy "make work" for you (projects/ tasks that don't add value to your work, and marginal usefulness to theirs), like asking you to create and maintaining a staff website about free work lunch and cake events.

What if all your peers were pretending to be busy to avoid being the person on the hook to complete the "make work"?

What if you were just plain lazy and had few consequences, like not being prepared for class.  (I know teachers that don't give homework because then they would have to mark it, of course).

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #158 on: December 18, 2014, 04:31:22 PM »
I totally don't get this.  I am a professor, and when my work is done, it is done.  If I piss around at work, the homework is still there for me to grade, the lesson for tomorrow still needs to be written and the grant application is still due.  If I don't get it done, I have to take it home as it all has deadlines.  Why in the world would I want to piss around at work?  I still do :) but I pay for it later.

Ah, but what if the class you are prepping for  is actually a seminar series not for another month, and once you have prepped for it, others will find busy "make work" for you (projects/ tasks that don't add value to your work, and marginal usefulness to theirs), like asking you to create and maintaining a staff website about free work lunch and cake events.

What if all your peers were pretending to be busy to avoid being the person on the hook to complete the "make work"?


I can't speak for the OP, but as another prof: (a) no one else would know whether or not my prep is complete, (b) there's really no one to "make work" for me other than myself and indirectly, my students (c) regardless, no way in hell I'd be making a staff website about free work lunch and cake events (and where I work, faculty is not "staff" so I was especially confused by this description until I realized that you were perhaps assuming that the professor would too be called staff?).   

 I too just go home when I'm finished.  It's one of the great parts of the jobs-I'm rewarded for working efficiently.   Anything else would drive me crazy.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #159 on: December 19, 2014, 06:39:22 AM »
I too just go home when I'm finished.  It's one of the great parts of the jobs-I'm rewarded for working efficiently.   Anything else would drive me crazy.
That's exactly what drives a lot of us crazy.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #160 on: December 20, 2014, 07:30:03 AM »
I too just go home when I'm finished.  It's one of the great parts of the jobs-I'm rewarded for working efficiently.   Anything else would drive me crazy.
That's exactly what drives a lot of us crazy.

Exactly,   I could theoretically stop when I am finished, but because I am salaried and in a consulting industry, I am expected to find additional work for the company or find another project (client paid) that needs a hand.   The extra effort only pays off very indirectly -- by getting promotions, discretionary bonus at the end of the year, etc. which people who look busy and are "team players" can do almost as well.    I do, however, just leave work now, when I am "tapped out", even if it is a couple hours early, but I put in far more than the basic 40 hrs most weeks.

It compounds within the office due to the simple fact that sometimes there just is not enough (client) work to go around (about 20% of the time), so people get very good at looking busy during those justified "down times".  Management does not notice / have time to care too much,  because that is when they are the busiest trying to bring in more work...  and the art of "looking busy" begins...

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #161 on: December 20, 2014, 07:52:15 AM »
Glad to hear I'm not the only one with nothing to do at work. I'm very fast when I have a task, taking a fraction of the time my coworkers would take, and sometimes there are just no tasks left. I always do everything I'm supposed to by or well before the deadline, and occasionally do extra stuff no one would expect me to. Still, some days I work as few as 3 hours, though I have had a few 12+ hour days in the past during crazy times.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #162 on: December 20, 2014, 08:31:34 AM »
I totally don't get this.  I am a professor, and when my work is done, it is done.  If I piss around at work, the homework is still there for me to grade, the lesson for tomorrow still needs to be written and the grant application is still due.  If I don't get it done, I have to take it home as it all has deadlines.  Why in the world would I want to piss around at work?  I still do :) but I pay for it later.

You said it.  But, most corporate or salaried jobs are not like that.  Aside from academia, the jobs that are similar in this regard likely are non-creative, don't allow for improvement and paid hourly.  Service employees (lifeguards, waiters.....although these guys work the entire period) and retail (home depot, grocery, malls......who may or may not work the entire time, but still have to stay).

I'd say you're lucky, but presumably you chose this profession for its characteristics including a degree of autonomy that is rare.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #163 on: December 20, 2014, 10:42:58 AM »
All last week, I was feeling tired, so I hit the snooze and came in an hour later. This meant that I was staying an hour later in the evening.

This week, I got kudos from my immediate boss, thanking me for putting in the "extra effort" by staying a little later every day. It's really appreciated, since the department is going through a difficult leadership transition right now.

Maybe if I come in two hours later, I'll get a big bonus!

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Ah! This whole thread is great, but I have to applaud this one. :D

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #164 on: December 25, 2014, 11:11:35 PM »
I too just go home when I'm finished.  It's one of the great parts of the jobs-I'm rewarded for working efficiently.   Anything else would drive me crazy.
That's exactly what drives a lot of us crazy.
Yep, when I was freelance I used to have a 1/2 day minimum for my clients, and usually I could get the work done in less than that. So it was incentive to work more efficiently cause it would bump up my hourly rate. I saw other contractors with an hourly rate who would drag things out as long as possible, cause they needed to do the hours to get paid!

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #165 on: December 28, 2014, 05:14:50 PM »
I just had a flashback to a job I had years ago - I worked for a company who's owner who was highly ADD. He would hire me to come in extra hours, because having me around "helped him focus." I didn't do much but sit in the room with him, listen to him talk, and ask him questions when he'd get off task. So I wonder if it's a matter of perspective, sometimes... they earned a lot more money as a result of the owner finishing tasks vs what they were paying me!

Oh God...  Both my current manager and my previous one were like this.  My previous one was eased out of her position that last time I went on maternity leave.  I expect the same fate for my current manager when I go on maternity leave early next year.  They have both been promoted above their competency level, not because their job is particularly difficult in and of itself, but because it requires relatively quick decision-making, and both just temperamentally can't handle it - they freeze and become paralyzed and can't get anything done, which they process as the job imposing overwhelmingly high demands on their time.  Both used me essentially to make decisions - and then to reinforce, when they became uncertain and started to doubt - and to outline a rationale for those decisions that would be persuasive to others in the organisation.

In exchange, I got a much higher level of control over my day to day working conditions that would be normal.  I can't stand sitting in an office doing nothing, and this arrangement has made it possible to negotiate working from home up to four days a week (basically, I come in when needed, with at least two days on deck for meetings - I'll come in every day if face time is actually needed, but average about three days a week in the office).  When I'm not in the office, I'm available constantly on email (and, for my manager only, by phone and text) - the mails are frequent enough that I can't do anything particularly productive with my time, but there's less time wasted with commuting, and I have to deal with fewer people dropping in wanting me to problem-solve for their own work (I still do a great deal of this - it passes the time and maintains pleasant relationships with people who could otherwise become jealous - but channel it into the days when I'd be physically present in the office anyway).  I also get nice incidental interactions with my kids when I can work from home, and I can run mindless errands as long as I'm prepared to pause and reply to a mail while I'm doing it.  All up, it gives more time for things I'd rather be doing.

The thing is, I could do the substantive aspect of my managers jobs much more easily and effectively than they could - it takes /hours/ to brief my manager to handle a single brief meeting with his higher-ups, and he's still less effective at pushing things through than I am.  This isn't speculation: I stand in for his actual role when he's away, and things just go much more smoothly.  However, his job also involves a lot of social nonsense that I can't stand, and that would severely intrude into hours outside of work - retreats and other "bonding" activities with other managers, expected forms of socialisation outside regular working hours, etc.  So, while I could do what I regard as the "job" much more efficiently, I would end up with all this other nonsense...  Do I don't rock the boat; I do what I can to help my managers function; I negotiate what I can to make my working life more pleasant - and I plan to get the hell outta Dodge as quick as I can swing it.

In previous jobs - including previous positions with this same organisation - where I was expected to front up to the workplace for a standard working schedule, I've generally ended up needing to accrue additional roles in order not to be completely and utterly bored.  It's hard to balance this such that you end up with just enough to keep the day full, without ending up with overtime obligations, which I don't want - happy to leave as soon as I'm allowed - but I often ended up with accidental peaks involving much more work than I wanted, in order to have an actual full-time schedule the rest of the time.  It also led to ridiculous situations when I left a position - organisations suddenly needing to find multiple people to take on roles I had been handling.

At the moment, I'm working a ridiculously light schedule, for me, with the work from home period making it largely invisible to other staff, since I'm running every second that I'm physically in the office, and I have a few very visible "high impact" roles that bring me to the fore more than would normally be expected for someone at my level.  (The exception are the admin staff who have to be in during standard business hours every day, and who make regular passive-aggressive comments about my schedule - this requires some social facilitation, since I need them to respond to my requests, but otherwise this is their problem, not mine.)  Even so, trying to plan out my maternity leave replacements makes clear that they will have to spend more to replace me while I'm on maternity leave, than they need to spend while I'm here, even though everyone they will replace me with, will be paid significantly less than I am.  So my current schedule is apparently still more than a "full time" load in terms of the actual outputs it produces...

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #166 on: February 19, 2015, 09:42:55 PM »
The Gervais Principle was an epiphany for me in understanding my own workplace, and the workplace in general. If you read it, read all 6 parts, and don't get hung up on the terms for his archetypes. Losers, Clueless, and Sociopaths were taken from a famous workplace heirarchy cartoon.

http://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #167 on: February 19, 2015, 09:51:43 PM »
There is a Thoreau quote, "As if you could kill time without injuring eternity."

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #168 on: February 19, 2015, 11:29:00 PM »
All last week, I was feeling tired, so I hit the snooze and came in an hour later. This meant that I was staying an hour later in the evening.

This week, I got kudos from my immediate boss, thanking me for putting in the "extra effort" by staying a little later every day. It's really appreciated, since the department is going through a difficult leadership transition right now.

Maybe if I come in two hours later, I'll get a big bonus!

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I've done somewhat the opposite and received the opposite reaction.

In my youth, me and a co-worker literally stayed at work overnight to fix a critical bug to save an important contract. After testing it and sending it to QA, it was around 11AM and, of course, we decided to leave since we'd been there around 24 hours. As I'm leaving,  the boss' boss sees me. He thanked me for fixing the bug and then proceeded to give me flack for missing the corporate quarterly meeting (which I always skipped anyway) and then scolded me for leaving before 5pm.



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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #169 on: February 20, 2015, 09:29:01 AM »
All last week, I was feeling tired, so I hit the snooze and came in an hour later. This meant that I was staying an hour later in the evening.

This week, I got kudos from my immediate boss, thanking me for putting in the "extra effort" by staying a little later every day. It's really appreciated, since the department is going through a difficult leadership transition right now.

Maybe if I come in two hours later, I'll get a big bonus!

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I've done somewhat the opposite and received the opposite reaction.

In my youth, me and a co-worker literally stayed at work overnight to fix a critical bug to save an important contract. After testing it and sending it to QA, it was around 11AM and, of course, we decided to leave since we'd been there around 24 hours. As I'm leaving,  the boss' boss sees me. He thanked me for fixing the bug and then proceeded to give me flack for missing the corporate quarterly meeting (which I always skipped anyway) and then scolded me for leaving before 5pm.

I hope you pointed out that you didn't go home the prior night. My experience is one a higher up hears or sees an employee do something that like, you typically get some level of extra respect but rarely does it result in promotions/pay increases/etc.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #170 on: February 20, 2015, 01:36:48 PM »
All last week, I was feeling tired, so I hit the snooze and came in an hour later. This meant that I was staying an hour later in the evening.

This week, I got kudos from my immediate boss, thanking me for putting in the "extra effort" by staying a little later every day. It's really appreciated, since the department is going through a difficult leadership transition right now.

Maybe if I come in two hours later, I'll get a big bonus!

-.-

I've done somewhat the opposite and received the opposite reaction.

In my youth, me and a co-worker literally stayed at work overnight to fix a critical bug to save an important contract. After testing it and sending it to QA, it was around 11AM and, of course, we decided to leave since we'd been there around 24 hours. As I'm leaving,  the boss' boss sees me. He thanked me for fixing the bug and then proceeded to give me flack for missing the corporate quarterly meeting (which I always skipped anyway) and then scolded me for leaving before 5pm.

I hope you pointed out that you didn't go home the prior night. My experience is one a higher up hears or sees an employee do something that like, you typically get some level of extra respect but rarely does it result in promotions/pay increases/etc.

If I did something like that, I'd make darn sure my boss knew before I left.  I'd probably "tell" him instead of "ask" him though. :)

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #171 on: February 21, 2015, 10:11:49 AM »
This is my job exactly. However, unlike some who can entertain themselves and would love hours a day to surf the web or read, I hate it. I feel unmotivated, lethargic, guilty (even though I do the work that needs to be done), and would much rather be busy and engaged (but not so busy that I have to work unreasonable hours). Like one of the previous posters, this has been a pattern for me (basically every single professional job I've had, across several fields), so it makes me pessimistic that changing jobs will help. Also, my current job pays well, is flexible, and has good benefits, most likely better than what I will find in another job. It makes sense for me to stay here for now and continue on the road to FI (we should be able to achieve it in less than 10 years so at least that is a consolation) but sometimes I feel like I can't stand it any longer! Any tips for making it more bearable? I liked the tips about taking long "breaks" in the middle of the day (less visible than coming in late or leaving early). I also write and read online books, and of course surf the internet.

Btw, our company just introduced an "Unlimited PTO policy." In theory, this would be perfect for me, in that I've often wished for a job in which I can just go to work when I need to and leave when I'm done, but in reality, I'm a little afraid to take advantage of it because I don't want people to know how little work I have! I could probably get all my work done in about 50% of the time, but I'm afraid if I only showed up 50% of the time I would soon be out of a job. I'll probably just test the waters by taking partial weeks during the summer when it's slowest, and then seeing what I can get away with. I wish I could find a job where I was engaged and energized, but somehow it's eluded me. One of my main reasons for wanting to FIRE!

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #172 on: February 21, 2015, 10:34:37 AM »
My job only required about two hours per day of actual work, so the rest of the time I tried to look busy. I couldn't stand it!

After a while I decided to go back to school for an MBA. By boss asked me to stay on part time, working only as much time as required to do the job. So now I go to work for only two hours a day, and spend the rest of the time studying. Grad school turned out to be really tough. The good news is, I'm no longer bored!

The other good news is they gave me a 10% hourly raise when I went part time. That helps out with the college bills a little.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #173 on: February 22, 2015, 09:55:26 AM »
The exception are the admin staff who have to be in during standard business hours every day, and who make regular passive-aggressive comments about my schedule - this requires some social facilitation, since I need them to respond to my requests, but otherwise this is their problem, not mine.

Watch out for these people. There was one in my office (the big boss's assistant) who eventually was successful in sabotaging my similarly sweet set up.  I ended up in an even better job at another place, and he realized he had made a mistake not long after I left, but nonetheless she squawked enough about it to him that he started to try to put an end to my arrangement and that it led to me moving on.

Which leads to the next most important thing to the art of not working at work: the art of just doing your own work/non-work without constantly finding reasons to complain that others are not pretending to work as hard as you pretend to work.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #174 on: February 22, 2015, 10:32:46 AM »
I feel sorry for folks in that situation, either in reality or due to their own mindset.

Never had the feeling that there was nothing to do.  Quite the opposite: there was always more doable than time to do it.  Had the good fortune to work with and for very good people for the vast majority of my career.

Getting to FI did coincide with running into a few bad apples that were spoiling things at work and made it that much easier to go from FI to FIRE.

I think some of this may have to do with how people perform their jobs.

Some people are very focused and efficient.  They grab a task and bear down on it, killing it quickly.  They tend to need far less than the "normal" amount of time to perform a task, and hence often find themselves with a lot free time on the job.  Since most employers in a traditional setting expect their employees to be sitting in the office for "x" hours per day, these folks need to find fillers (surfing the net, BSing, etc).

Others, doing the same job, looked frazzled for 12-hours per day.  Always busy, busy, busy.  Never a free moment to relax, it's just go go go.  They work long hours.  Get in early, leave late.  Yet they often get no more done than Mr. "Net Surf." 

YES. I'm lucky in my work (own a business with partners) and so, being in the first group, I typically work short days and take reasonably frequent days and afternoons off. I'm usually done with what needs doing by 1 or 2PM, and either leave or, lately, choose to stick around to enjoy socializing with my colleagues and/or to get ahead of longer-term tasks.

The other lawyers in my office are all the second type, and they work much longer days and often come in on weekends. Luckily, because of the nature of the work, it's easy to see in our earnings that I'm doing my fair share or more, so no one thinks twice about my short hours. In a strict 9-5, though, I'd be clawing at my eyelids from boredom, and much more focused on ER than I am.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #175 on: February 22, 2015, 11:19:07 AM »
As a supervisor, the way I look at work is this: I pay you to fulfill a set of tasks and responsibilities. If you do so by physically staying motion every second of the eight hours you are assigned to perform that set in, then I am satisfied. If you do so by taking a coffee break at 12:30 and playing Angry Birds on your phone from 2:30 to 3:15, I am satisfied.

The very bottom line is: are you accomplishing that which you are paid to do?

Agreed. I have a couple of employees, one hourly and one exempt. The hourly employee is very efficient, and if there isn't more to do, she goofs off. I couldn't care less if she's on Facebook and planning her wedding during the downtime, because if we have a task, she jumps to do it, and she does it fast and well. (And she makes her own tasks if there's nothing to do for too long; she's self-motivated, which makes a big difference.)

Our exempt employee isn't particularly efficient, but his finished work is great. So I encourage him not to over-work and burn out, but if he feels he needs to work a longer day to get things done, he's welcome to. He's also welcome to take a long weekend, come in after rush hour, hit the gym for a long lunch, or whatever else he wants, as long as his work gets done--which it does!

Both of them have very "trackable" jobs, which makes it easier on me as the designated HR person. If wedding planning or slow work were actually stopping them from getting things done, I'd know, and that would be an issue. But it's not, so what do I care? We could block Facebook and make sure their monitors were visible at all times, if we wanted them to hate us and hate their jobs, and lose their excellent work to other employers, I suppose--goodness knows many managers choose that route.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #176 on: February 23, 2015, 03:09:52 PM »
I went from private practice to a corporate position almost 5 years ago.  For the first couple of months, I constantly kept asking my manager for more work until he finally sat me down and basically told me that the pace was different here from what I was used to and I needed to calm down (in a nice way, but the message was clear ;-).  The only time when I actually had enough work to fill my day was when both my manager and the other lawyer in my group were out on vacation at the same time and I was covering for both of them in addition to doing my own work....  I still was able to go home at 5 pm.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #177 on: February 26, 2015, 09:21:16 PM »
Let me just say, I am jealous of all those who are involved with high-5 figure or low-6 figure jobs with excellent job security, with many hours of free time per day (some with state pensions!). Congrats, guys and gals, you've made it! Now, where can I find one of these jobs? :P

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #178 on: February 28, 2015, 05:50:36 PM »
Let me just say, I am jealous of all those who are involved with high-5 figure or low-6 figure jobs with excellent job security, with many hours of free time per day (some with state pensions!). Congrats, guys and gals, you've made it! Now, where can I find one of these jobs? :P
In all seriousness... look for boring sounding jobs at big corporations. My job would look painfully boring on a job description (compared to other jobs I could get in the field). I'd actually seen my job before in past years, and I didn't consider it cause it sounded so blah. When I took it, I was in a place where I was ready for a break.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #179 on: March 03, 2015, 01:10:36 PM »
Let me just say, I am jealous of all those who are involved with high-5 figure or low-6 figure jobs with excellent job security, with many hours of free time per day (some with state pensions!). Congrats, guys and gals, you've made it! Now, where can I find one of these jobs? :P

There was (maybe still is?) a quite famous knitting blogger who produced TREMENDOUS numbers of sweaters, socks, and accessories, while working in the US government. It was very clear to the readership that she was knitting half the day away in her closed-door office, and I can't say I didn't envy it at the time. Now, though--ehh. I'd rather finish my work efficiently, and knit at home.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #180 on: March 03, 2015, 02:28:37 PM »
In Africa they call it "Cutting water into little pieces"

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #181 on: March 07, 2015, 09:23:09 PM »
At my current job I rarely have 40 hours of work to do. I think maybe 8 hours a week of actual work? Since I'm a subcontractor I don't want to use my work computer to goof off. This leads to playing with my phone/ staring into space with my mouth open for hours. I take a lot of breaks and will make food at my desk. Sometimes I get to telework and that's awesome.

But this job is the most engaging I've ever had. I'm learning more than I have in years. I once had a job where I had no work for two months. The client was upset that I didn't "seem" busy. My boss lectured me by saying that perception is important. Sigh.

Oh, how I get these gigs. I got a fancy private school degree. I work in Federal Audit. I get hired entirely because of my credentials because I look good on the contract. Sometimes I learn things.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #182 on: March 08, 2015, 04:34:38 AM »
Four pages into this thread, and I still cannot believe there are so many people who are just coasting along at work.  I've been employed in some form or other for 30 years, and I can probably count on one hand the number of days when I didn't have enough work to do.  All of the other days I've had the opposite problem - more work than can be accomplished in a reasonable work day.  I guess in some ways a strong work ethic tends to feed into this situation.  People who are good at getting a lot of work done tend to attract more work.  But I also work in an office where pretty much everyone is very dedicated, and I can't say I've ever known anyone at my current place of employment who was guilty of loafing on the job.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #183 on: March 09, 2015, 08:42:52 AM »
It's March now, and I still don't have anything to do (being going on since mid December). I'm on multiple projects, but nothing is moving. I can't read books at my desk. I can't watch movies, listen to music, and am limited in my web surfing.

The couple of days I've worked from home, I have literally watched movies all day with the laptop next to me so I can deal with anything that does come in.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #184 on: March 09, 2015, 12:59:46 PM »
I work in healthcare, payed hourly, and we work our asses off. I always wondered how we can literally save people from death, but how office people seem to make more, and with what I perceive as a kinder work schedule. Office work sounds like a lot of BS- and for what sounds like a high return on actual work performed. But if I switched careers, moved to the 'burbs and had to commute everyday, I'd probably want to slit my wrists.

Hopefully ten years or less to freedom.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #185 on: March 09, 2015, 03:11:28 PM »
From my old job:
Me: "I'm done all the important work, the not-important work, the prep-for-in-3-months work, and I just did half of my colleague's work because she was 'so busy' (translation: couldn't focus). Is there anything else I can do?"
Boss: "download the kindle app. I recommend these novels."

Ok, then.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #186 on: March 09, 2015, 08:34:15 PM »
I guess in some ways a strong work ethic tends to feed into this situation.  People who are good at getting a lot of work done tend to attract more work.  But I also work in an office where pretty much everyone is very dedicated, and I can't say I've ever known anyone at my current place of employment who was guilty of loafing on the job.
Two of my co-workers now are people I worked 10 years ago at a place where we busted ass every day. We're not any less dedicated here - it's that the work literally does not exist. They want to pay to have a body here 40 hours (or 48 hours for my co-workers) to do 8 hours of work because it's still cheaper than outsourcing to a vendor.

At my first corporate job, my boss told me to slow down. He pointed out that in my old non-corporate jobs, I had to work like a chicken with it's head cut-off cause they couldn't afford for it to be any other way. He said he'd never do that to me - if I wanted to have a lower stress level and a better quality of life, he'd make that happen. I appreciated it cause no one had ever put it that way before. I had just assumed the field was supposed to have overtime, missed meals, stress, etc.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #187 on: March 09, 2015, 10:15:45 PM »
One time I had a non-job.  My title was "team developer".  My job was to help self directed work teams direct themselves.  Hahaha! Im totally serious!   I took the job because my company relocated my family to the area we wanted to move as it was better for DH's business.

Once I realized what a silly non-job it was, I enrolled in an Executive MBA program.  Company paid my tuition, gave me every other Friday off to attend classes, and I did all my homework at the office.

If you have a silly job, why not use your spare time to research, study, write, or any intellectual or creative activity....better than staring out the window and you may even wind up getting a raise or a better job because of it.  If you're close to retirement, use the time to build your financial planning skills, learn a new language for your upcoming international travels!

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #188 on: March 10, 2015, 04:33:13 AM »
One time I had a non-job.  My title was "team developer".  My job was to help self directed work teams direct themselves.  Hahaha! Im totally serious!   I took the job because my company relocated my family to the area we wanted to move as it was better for DH's business.

Once I realized what a silly non-job it was, I enrolled in an Executive MBA program.  Company paid my tuition, gave me every other Friday off to attend classes, and I did all my homework at the office.

If you have a silly job, why not use your spare time to research, study, write, or any intellectual or creative activity....better than staring out the window and you may even wind up getting a raise or a better job because of it.  If you're close to retirement, use the time to build your financial planning skills, learn a new language for your upcoming international travels!

I agree - I am getting trained to be an assessor, which would cost around £2k [$3,200?] for free at my organisation and do all my homework and meetings during work time. 

Today, I am working from home.  I have ONE task I have to do, should take about an hour if I stretch it out.  I'll probably spend most of today online and watching TV with my laptop beside me.  This is getting really boring, but I've been looking and so far haven't found anything at a comparable salary.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #189 on: March 10, 2015, 06:54:34 AM »
All last week, I was feeling tired, so I hit the snooze and came in an hour later. This meant that I was staying an hour later in the evening.

This week, I got kudos from my immediate boss, thanking me for putting in the "extra effort" by staying a little later every day. It's really appreciated, since the department is going through a difficult leadership transition right now.

Maybe if I come in two hours later, I'll get a big bonus!

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This is so true and I hate it. It doesn't matter how late you come in, as long as people have the impression that you are staying late, you are perceived as hard working. I am a morning person and would love to come in at 7am or earlier every day and then leave in the early afternoon. But of course I can't do that, this would be highly frowned upon and I am sure I would be perceived as a slacker. Staying late...even if I do absolutely nothing...is all that people care for.

Worked for a short time in Tokyo for a UK employer. We had Japanese co-workers who indicated that this was one of the main reasons they enjoyed working for a non Japanese company. The whole tradition of not leaving before your boss is still enshrined in the culture there and is likely a high cause of stress .

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #190 on: March 10, 2015, 06:19:50 PM »
I serve financial types, so I know of what some of you speak.

I use down time to give more attention to tasks I would normally rush through, or I collect and analyze resources (data or information) for future use. Idleness at work makes for a very long day.

My boss goes non-stop; I can't live that way, so I just try to go with the flow and store energy during those down periods so that I have more when things pick up.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #191 on: March 10, 2015, 07:39:30 PM »
Sometimes I wish I had a job where this was an option. I can't imagine not working during the time you're at work. I'm a nurse, and if I don't work from the moment I hit the floor until the person coming on takes over from me, I wouldn't have a job. Not for more than a day, anyway. And I'd be bored shitless, quite frankly. :)

This.  I'm a surgical nurse & there is no down-time or time to get bored.  Usually the only time I even get to sit down all day is during lunch break (that's a 30 minute break during a 10- 12 hour work shift.  Seriously.)

Many times DH will chat over dinner about some trending internet/ twitter story & can't believe I haven't heard about it yet.   Ummmm, yeah.  NO.  Most doctors & patients would prefer I don't web surf during surgery!!

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #192 on: March 14, 2015, 06:55:04 PM »
I work a 3-12s schedule, working Friday Saturday and Sunday. I have a desk job that requires being around to answer phone calls, emails, etc but not much in the way of big projects.

It's Saturday and I've already done all of my weekly tasks, with frequent article/mmm/outside breaks. I guess tomorrow I can work on monthly and quarterly stuff...

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #193 on: March 15, 2015, 04:29:14 AM »
The exception are the admin staff who have to be in during standard business hours every day, and who make regular passive-aggressive comments about my schedule - this requires some social facilitation, since I need them to respond to my requests, but otherwise this is their problem, not mine.

Watch out for these people. There was one in my office (the big boss's assistant) who eventually was successful in sabotaging my similarly sweet set up.  I ended up in an even better job at another place, and he realized he had made a mistake not long after I left, but nonetheless she squawked enough about it to him that he started to try to put an end to my arrangement and that it led to me moving on.

Which leads to the next most important thing to the art of not working at work: the art of just doing your own work/non-work without constantly finding reasons to complain that others are not pretending to work as hard as you pretend to work.

Yeah, I just saw an email announcing that the most serious passive-aggressive complainer had just been shifted into a new position that I know to be a demotion - I've only been on maternity leave for three weeks now, and can't help but feel a small element of satisfaction that the guy didn't even make it a single month once I left the role (while he clearly regarded me as a problem, the reality is that - working in the office or from home - I caught a lot of his mistakes before they had a chance to draw down the ire of his own higher-ups.  His (lack of) capacity will have been more visible since I've been away, but I hadn't actually expected him to get moved into a lower responsibility position so quickly...).

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« Reply #194 on: March 15, 2015, 06:27:25 AM »
I find the best way to look busy at work is to play with excel.   I make up spreadsheets for my budget, my investments, my retirement plan, my favorite college football team's depth chart, etc.

This is perfect because anyone walking by my cube sees excel and thinks I'm doing actual work.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #195 on: March 15, 2015, 07:26:19 AM »
So, with all your collective experience, a question: If you were put in position of managing your clone self, how would you adjust your job to retain the strength of your freedom of movement while using your abilities to further benefit the department or company as a whole? This would require your still being content to stay and not start looking elsewhere to regain what you lost through this experiment. Any thoughts from you hypothetical clone managers?
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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #196 on: April 30, 2015, 02:35:19 PM »
So, with all your collective experience, a question: If you were put in position of managing your clone self, how would you adjust your job to retain the strength of your freedom of movement while using your abilities to further benefit the department or company as a whole? This would require your still being content to stay and not start looking elsewhere to regain what you lost through this experiment. Any thoughts from you hypothetical clone managers?
The first adjustment I'd make would be to let myself work from home.  Or at least leave the office when my work is done.  This whole sitting at a desk from 8-to-5 thing just isn't how human beings were meant to work.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #197 on: April 30, 2015, 04:01:47 PM »
This whole topic is something I've been railing against for most of my working life. I hate the whole idea of time based work and the culture surrounding it. Give me a task, I'll get it done. I might work on it some in the AM or some after the kids go to bed. As long as it comes in done within schedule and is high quality you should be happy right?

The above is how I work now, but I checked out of the regular office thing quite a while ago. Work from home most of the time and on-site at the customer the rest.

Nothing wrong with the office for collaboration and team building, but for a lot of jobs its REALLY inefficient in terms of actual productivity.

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #198 on: April 30, 2015, 07:03:24 PM »
Sometimes I wish I had a job where this was an option. I can't imagine not working during the time you're at work. I'm a nurse, and if I don't work from the moment I hit the floor until the person coming on takes over from me, I wouldn't have a job. Not for more than a day, anyway. And I'd be bored shitless, quite frankly. :)

This.  I'm a surgical nurse & there is no down-time or time to get bored.  Usually the only time I even get to sit down all day is during lunch break (that's a 30 minute break during a 10- 12 hour work shift.  Seriously.)
I'm an RN and the only one I know that gets paid to sit and do nothing most of the time. I work prn and fill in for nurses that staff factories. They mostly do paperwork and work comp that they don't care about teaching me, so I do about 10 minutes of filing and then sit for the rest of the shift and wait for someone to get hurt. Most of the time it's a splinter, but I've had to send a few to the ER.  When I'm not filling in, I'm at our office on the phone doing health coaching. When my clients don't answer, I sit and wait for the next one to answer. This has been the perfect job for studying and I will graduate with my masters soon.  I went into nursing to avoid the office environment but I always get sucked back in. I've never worked in a hospital but I've had a variety of experience in so many different areas. I admit, sitting and waiting sometimes sucks the life out of me and I go home drained.

Many times DH will chat over dinner about some trending internet/ twitter story & can't believe I haven't heard about it yet.   Ummmm, yeah.  NO.  Most doctors & patients would prefer I don't web surf during surgery!!

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Re: The art of not working at work
« Reply #199 on: May 04, 2015, 11:03:41 AM »
This article and the ensuing discussion really hit home for me. In all the jobs I have had I have always found I had lots of extra time on my hands. At first I worried that I was missing some key element of my job, but when I figured out that I was still getting more done than my peers it became clear that either a) I was more efficient in the time I was working than my peers, or b) they spent even more time goofing off than I did.

I despise the "putting in your time" culture in my office and most others. If I get my crap done, I should be able to leave when I want. I've started leaving a little early and coming in a little late during our slow times, but I still have lots of idle time I struggle to fill. For whatever reason I have always felt odd about working on side gigs at the office, although in reality it isn't any different than just surfing the net. I would love a work from home gig where I could do what I need to and spend the rest of my time doing other stuff without the corporate overlords (or nosy coworkers) watching to see if I am sitting at my desk.