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Title: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Sayonara925 on May 13, 2018, 09:29:14 AM
Ever find yourself wondering why others give importance to something in terms of time/money/effort/energy/etc, but you can't quite understand why?

If so, tell us about it here.  Feel free to rant (or defend).  Like...
 
Harry Potter...I don't get it.
Spending hours each day on FaceBook...I don't get it.
This thread...I don't get it.
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Post by: RWD on May 13, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
Football...
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Post by: Khaetra on May 13, 2018, 10:35:28 AM
I don't get why it bothers some people what others do, especially if it has no impact on their life in any way.
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Post by: PizzaSteve on May 13, 2018, 10:46:49 AM
Smoking tobacco.
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Post by: ExitViaTheCashRamp on May 13, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
My relative - £75,000 per year is not enough, they urgently needs to change job from a good, considerate employer as they need more money... to save for their daughters wedding. The daughter is 5.
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Post by: Trifele on May 13, 2018, 11:46:51 AM
Keurigs.  The waste and expense is mind boggling.
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Post by: jlcnuke on May 13, 2018, 11:55:07 AM
Getting upset that other people don't believe the same things you do about [insert almost any topic here].
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Post by: Zikoris on May 13, 2018, 11:58:16 AM
Television just baffles me. It just seems... boring and stupid? And I hate commercials. I'm not great at sitting still for that long either with nothing occupying me. And then you see these things in the news about how the average person watches 3, 4, 5 hours a DAY of it? I just don't get how people can watch it that much and not lose their minds.
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Post by: Kott308 on May 13, 2018, 12:12:17 PM
A diehard allegiance to a college football team. . . especially a college that you didnít attend
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Post by: Miss Piggy on May 13, 2018, 12:46:42 PM
Smoking tobacco.

I don't care if someone smokes. What I don't get is using the entire world as their ashtray and/or trashcan for the cigarette butts. Do smokers think those things biodegrade quickly, or are they just stupid and uncaring?
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Post by: chloes1 on May 13, 2018, 12:47:40 PM
This was meant to be in reply to the Keurig comment.  Sorry. 


My father gifted me with one.  I promptly went and procured several of the reusable cups, so it's not such a profligate waste.

Still, I must go through a pot a day, and making a pot in the morning takes very little time.

Getting upset that other people don't believe the same things you do about [insert almost any topic here].
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Post by: BlueMR2 on May 13, 2018, 12:50:36 PM
Watching other people play sports.  Doubly, if paying to do so...
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Post by: MissNancyPryor on May 13, 2018, 12:51:18 PM
I don't get virtue signaling. 
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Post by: Miss Piggy on May 13, 2018, 12:56:07 PM
I don't get virtue signaling.

I don't even know what this is.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 13, 2018, 01:02:25 PM
I don't get virtue signaling.

I don't even know what this is.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22virtue%20signaling%22
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Post by: SwordGuy on May 13, 2018, 01:04:21 PM
The part I don't get about high school, college and professional sports isn't that people enjoy watching it.   Or learning about it.   

It's not to my taste, but that's ok.   To each their own.  Live and let live.

I totally get rooting for a team that's got someone on it whom you know.

The first part that really annoys me is all the men I know who clearly feel like "more of a real man" when their team wins a game.

I find that to be totally pathetic.   If their sense of self worth is tied to how well one group of strangers carries a piece of dead pig across a field versus another group of strangers, that's truly sad.  And yet I've known a lot of over-aged boy children who are exactly like that.  Same mentality that causes folks to drive grossly big pickup trucks they don't need so they'll be thought to be manly.   

If you enjoy sports and you're not like that, then there's no need to take it personal.

If you are like that, well, if the shoe fits, you're the one who bought it and put it on. 


The second part that annoys me is that our government caters to this infantilism by subsidizing sports stadiums for millions and millions of dollars.   We "can't afford" to pay teachers but we can "afford" a $33,000,000 to $40,000,000 baseball stadium.   That's right, our community will be spending upwards of $40,000,000 so we can watch men play with their balls in public.  It's ludicrous.   The highest paid government officials in most states are football or basketball coaches.  That's ludicrous.     Was looking at tuition and fees cost for a local state university a couple of weeks ago.  Students will be paying $740 per year for athletic fees.    That's ludicrous.   It's bad enough college costs are so high, but to force students to subsidize football and basketball teams  -- whose culture is often the very antithesis of what an academic culture should be -- with that kind of money is horrible.

We should switch to intra-mural sports that are inexpensive and use the savings to drive down college costs.   Or let those who want to major in sports pay the extra fees.   

You asked, I answered.   


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Post by: MissNancyPryor on May 13, 2018, 01:50:11 PM
I don't get virtue signaling.

I don't even know what this is.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22virtue%20signaling%22

Might find a few examples in this thread.  Just saying, something made me think of it.  Cough. Cough. 

I mentioned something I didn't get on another thread and got jumped on big time.  Personally, I dig a thread like this where you can rag and nag on something without having to worry about getting called out as being judgy.  This is the interweb for crap sake, where anonymous rants are a fun past time. 

Carry on.   
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Post by: pbkmaine on May 13, 2018, 02:20:26 PM
Running. Not good for the body. I am 61 and all my runner friends are having joints replaced. Cut it out, people.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 13, 2018, 02:36:45 PM
Running. Not good for the body. I am 61 and all my runner friends are having joints replaced. Cut it out, people.
Previous research I've done on this didn't seem to indicate that was true and that running can actually strengthen joints.  Having said that, I haven't done much running in in the last 15 years.
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Post by: Slow2FIRE on May 13, 2018, 02:51:32 PM
I don't get why people think its okay to put a nice ding in your car door and not even leave a simple note that says "sorry".

I don't get why people always have to be "first" in line on the highway, even if it means making dangerous driving decisions to get your "pole position".

I don't get why someone would think it is no problem to let their dog crap on the hiking trails, sidewalks, people's yards, public parks, etc and not pick it up.  Especially when the dog craps less than 10 feet away from a dog poop trash can and poop bag dispenser stuffed with disposable bags.
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Post by: Sojourner on May 13, 2018, 03:38:55 PM
I don't get why people think its okay to put a nice ding in your car door and not even leave a simple note that says "sorry".

Agree.  This just happened to me this morning.  And it was my next door neighbor.  Red car, car door directly in line with the red ding.  Still pondering how to handle this.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 13, 2018, 03:40:32 PM
I don't get why people think its okay to put a nice ding in your car door and not even leave a simple note that says "sorry".

Yeah, or do even worse damage and just take off.

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I don't get why someone would think it is no problem to let their dog crap on the hiking trails, sidewalks, people's yards, public parks, etc and not pick it up.  Especially when the dog craps less than 10 feet away from a dog poop trash can and poop bag dispenser stuffed with disposable bags.

This brings back memories of this thread:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/weird-situation-poop-anger-children-swearing-dogs-awful-people/
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 13, 2018, 04:07:55 PM
Same mentality that causes folks to drive grossly big pickup trucks they don't need so they'll be thought to be manly.   


There have been studies showing women are more attracted to men with trucks, especially nice black trucks.  Extra points for larger size.  Google it.
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Post by: EngineeringFI on May 13, 2018, 04:08:09 PM
I don't get tattoos.

They're expensive, and almost guaranteed to create buyer's remorse at some point in the future. If they're visible, they can affect one's career path due to other's subconscious biases. And of course there is still the risk of contracting hepatitis C from getting one, although I believe this has been greatly reduced recent years.
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Post by: undercover on May 13, 2018, 05:15:18 PM
Television just baffles me. It just seems... boring and stupid? And I hate commercials. I'm not great at sitting still for that long either with nothing occupying me. And then you see these things in the news about how the average person watches 3, 4, 5 hours a DAY of it? I just don't get how people can watch it that much and not lose their minds.

Iím general I agree but some series are worth watching like Game of Thrones, Westworld, Breaking Bad, etc. Iím very selective and only watch if itís already regarded as incredible. But weíre talking the equivalent of a very good movie. A very good movie/series can rival a very good book.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 13, 2018, 05:32:54 PM
Television just baffles me. It just seems... boring and stupid? And I hate commercials. I'm not great at sitting still for that long either with nothing occupying me. And then you see these things in the news about how the average person watches 3, 4, 5 hours a DAY of it? I just don't get how people can watch it that much and not lose their minds.

Iím general I agree but some series are worth watching like Game of Thrones, Westworld, Breaking Bad, etc.

That's just one person's rant and opinion, so don't let it bother you that someone else feels differently than you do.  I think TV / movies at home are a very efficient low cost form of entertainment, particularly if you have an antenna and get TV for free and a source for low cost movies.   I have an HTPC for time shifting, so I don't have to watch or wait for commercials and only watch a few different things with any regularity.  I wouldn't want to give it up completely.  Breaking bad was ok, I binge watched the whole series not long after it ended.
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Post by: Carrie on May 13, 2018, 06:05:59 PM
I don't understand people who don't read books, and who seem to be proud of it.
And yes, I personally know people like this.
The question they ask  isn't "what're you reading?" It's "what're you reading for?"

I also don't get vocal Christian folks who still stand behind & defend Trump. Often the same people I mentioned above.
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Post by: Tris Prior on May 13, 2018, 06:30:22 PM
Boyfriend doesn't seem proud of not being a reader, he's just matter of fact about it.... but I really just don't understand not liking reading books. He doesn't have a disability that makes reading difficult. He just doesn't enjoy it - which, whatever, we're all different, but sometimes I find myself really wanting to understand what he finds so distasteful about reading books, you know?

The part I don't get about high school, college and professional sports isn't that people enjoy watching it.   Or learning about it.   

It's not to my taste, but that's ok.   To each their own.  Live and let live.

I totally get rooting for a team that's got someone on it whom you know.

The first part that really annoys me is all the men I know who clearly feel like "more of a real man" when their team wins a game.

I agree with this. This, and the fact that, in my city, watching sports, particularly the Cubs, also seems to largely involve getting blind drunk, sexually harassing people, and otherwise misbehaving. I am a lifelong Chicagoan. For some time, I lived in Wrigleyville. I should've known I was signing up for drunk assholes screaming the names of Cubs players in front of my building at all hours of the night on work nights, or peeing and/or vomiting on the front lawn of my building. I moved out of that neighborhood years ago but still have to deal with blind drunk fans riding the same train line I need to use to get to and from work. My feeling is, if people enjoy watching grown men hit a ball with a stick, have at it - but do they need to get completely shitfaced every time they do so?
 
And, like Swordguy, disclaimer: yes, I know that not all sports fans are like this. I'm reporting what I saw a lot of in 7 years of living near Wrigley Field and now riding the train daily with folks going (staggering?) to and from the games.
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Post by: Pizzabrewer on May 13, 2018, 06:42:51 PM
My workplace is in a mall.  Not far away is a Michael Kors store.  Each window has 3 perfectly positioned purses on display.

Granted I'm not a woman.  Regardless I have no idea how a company like this stays in business, much less sells a single item.  Yet there are always people in the store.



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Post by: bluebelle on May 13, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
I don't get people who aren't intensely curious about the world around them.....we have the scope of the world's knowledge at our finger tips (what a smart phone IS good for), yet I know so many people that will say "mmmm, that's interesting, I don't know", and leave it at that.  Origins of expressions, spellings of words, how to do anything (I'm sure there's a youtube video for it, no matter what it is).....I'm not nosey, I'm not talking about needing to know what people are doing or saying, I'm talking about the WHY and the HOW of the world.  Who gives a crap about what you had for breakfast and posted on facebook, when I could look up how to make something....

It's okay not to know something, but it's not okay to not what to find out the answer once you figure out you don't know something.   Phones are smarter, people are dumber.

thanks for the rant, I feel better now.
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Post by: Awesomeness on May 13, 2018, 07:11:01 PM
Nascar
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 13, 2018, 08:02:04 PM
Wanting to have kids.

Soccer - so boring, give me some NFL football!

Disliking your own state's professional sports team while being a fan of a team from a state you've never lived in and located further away.

Going out to movies.  Just watch a movie at home and avoid the bed bugs and higher costs.

Reading fiction - give me a multi-sensory experience instead of flipping through pieces of paper with words on them.

Smoking / drugs for "entertainment" purposes.

Tattoos

Americans who "get off" on continuously making personal attacks against the president of their country while he helps makes them rich.

Retired neighbors who always wait until I'm home from work to mow their lawns.
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Post by: calimom on May 13, 2018, 09:00:14 PM
Adults who love love LOVE All Things Disney.

I get wanting to take the kids there for a blow out weekend (though I've never done this) I'm talking about fully grown adults who choose to go to Disney-something for their wedding, weeks' long honeymoon, every vacation for 20 years. To have lunch with Goofy. Even those who 'hack' it with points or miles or park passes or whatever. Eschewing Paris, London, Bali, autumn leaves in New England, the beaches of Hawaii, the mountains of Colorado. Really? You'd rather have manufactured fun at a theme park at age 40 or 50? Seriously?

Ditto on the dog poop. And how come people on horses on hiking trails can freely let the horses shit wherever? Sure, it's mostly hay,and the steaming mound is obvious, but who wants to step in it?
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Post by: MrDelane on May 13, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
The question they ask  isn't "what're you reading?" It's "what're you reading for?"

Looks like we got ourselves a reader.

Bill Hicks fan, by chance?
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Post by: LearnTo on May 14, 2018, 02:02:08 AM
I don't get why people think its okay to put a nice ding in your car door and not even leave a simple note that says "sorry".

Agree.  This just happened to me this morning.  And it was my next door neighbor.  Red car, car door directly in line with the red ding.  Still pondering how to handle this.

When I had had my last car, I had an enormous dent, much more than just a ding, that happened anonymously at a Walmart.  When I asked them to pull any security footage, their policy is to refuse unless requested by the police.  OK, fine, file a police report and they'll get to it long after the security footage is erased, or in my case, NEVER.
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Post by: Forever Wednesday on May 14, 2018, 02:19:42 AM
Obsession with home ownership in the UK.
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Post by: Rightflyer on May 14, 2018, 02:47:18 AM
I don't get why it bothers some people what others do, especially if it has no impact on their life in any way.

Leafblowers (and most 2-stroke powered devices in general).

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Post by: Dances With Fire on May 14, 2018, 03:56:26 AM
35-40 year old men playing video games for hours...Don't get it, I have never been a gamer, however most of my nephews are. I really feel bad for the wives and the kids, unless they are spending time with them playing together? I would rather be on the beach, out on the water, or in the mountains. Generational thing I guess.

Related...Movies that all look the same to me. Most seem to look like one big video game...?

Reality T.V. What a waste of time.
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Post by: Maenad on May 14, 2018, 05:25:56 AM
"Rolling coal" - you're spending wasting a bunch of extra money to modify your truck, just to piss someone else off. Some who you assume is judging you from the driver's seat of their Prius.

Really?
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Post by: driftwood on May 14, 2018, 05:35:56 AM
Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.
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Post by: swampwiz on May 14, 2018, 06:28:20 AM
A diehard allegiance to a college football team. . . especially a college that you didnít attend

As an alumnus of my state's flagship university, I always like to comment on my Facebook Friends who didn't attend there but post about my alma mater's sports teams: "I always like to see folks who did not attend the U of ... supporting it" - as a subtle dig.
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Post by: swampwiz on May 14, 2018, 06:30:27 AM
Smoking tobacco.

I don't care if someone smokes. What I don't get is using the entire world as their ashtray and/or trashcan for the cigarette butts. Do smokers think those things biodegrade quickly, or are they just stupid and uncaring?

I can remember making a snarky comment to some guy that asked me if I had a cigarette (I'm not sure if that is a pickup line in the homosexual community or what, but I digress) that it's a good thing that some folks so smoke so that our Social Security taxes are lower.
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Post by: Khaetra on May 14, 2018, 07:15:16 AM
I don't get why it bothers some people what others do, especially if it has no impact on their life in any way.

Leafblowers (and most 2-stroke powered devices in general).

True, those and things like rolling coal do impact others (and can be dangerous/deadly).  I meant more long the lines of who goes to Disney, video games (I am over 50 and play Fortnight and got God of War for Mother's Day..beautiful game!), sports, etc.
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Post by: Rightflyer on May 14, 2018, 07:33:26 AM
I don't get why it bothers some people what others do, especially if it has no impact on their life in any way.

Leafblowers (and most 2-stroke powered devices in general).

True, those and things like rolling coal do impact others (and can be dangerous/deadly).  I meant more long the lines of who goes to Disney, video games (I am over 50 and play Fortnight and got God of War for Mother's Day..beautiful game!), sports, etc.

I do see what you are saying.
The problem is a lot of people who make a lot of noise have no clue that they are impacting other's lives.
Lack of self-awareness I suspect.
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Post by: CindyBS on May 14, 2018, 07:55:15 AM
The majority of things associated with holidays, with the exception of getting together with people you love.

My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving for this reason - you share a lovely meal with loved ones. 

The majority of the other crap - Christmas decorations, gifts, cards, etc. - that is more stress than anything else. Some of it is downright ridiculous IMO.  My kids are 1/16th Irish.  I'm not making them green frosting cupcakes for St. Patrick's day with little gold chocolates.  I don't want insanely overpriced flowers for Valentine's Day.  I don't even particularly like birthday cake.  Why does have it be cake?  Can't it be a dessert I enjoy more like brownies or pie?  (Yes I know it can, but I share a birthday party with my mom and she wants cake so I do cake). 
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Post by: dude on May 14, 2018, 08:12:49 AM
A diehard allegiance to a college football team. . . especially a college that you didnít attend

As an alumnus of my state's flagship university, I always like to comment on my Facebook Friends who didn't attend there but post about my alma mater's sports teams: "I always like to see folks who did not attend the U of ... supporting it" - as a subtle dig.

From your handle, I'm guessing Florida?

What I don't get is haters. People who feel they have to bring others down to lift themselves up. Or raise a stink about something someone else has that they don't but wish they did, with the intent to deprive the other person of the thing that they (the hater) covets. For example, I work in a place where my particular office is remote -- just a few miles -- from the main place of business. As a result, we dress casually here every day, and I've brought my dog to work on many occasions. And invariably, somebody has bitched about one thing or the other, even though my situation in no way affects them one iota. Ah, but the envy -- the idea that someone else could be enjoying something they themselves don't get to enjoy -- it burns them up; they HAVE to make an issue out of it, by god. Fortunately for me, my boss doesn't give a fuck what they think, so their complaints fall on deaf ears. :-)  Fuck the haters.
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Post by: Nurse_Nash on May 14, 2018, 08:46:08 AM
The majority of things associated with holidays, with the exception of getting together with people you love.

My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving for this reason - you share a lovely meal with loved ones. 

The majority of the other crap - Christmas decorations, gifts, cards, etc. - that is more stress than anything else. Some of it is downright ridiculous IMO.  My kids are 1/16th Irish.  I'm not making them green frosting cupcakes for St. Patrick's day with little gold chocolates.  I don't want insanely overpriced flowers for Valentine's Day.  I don't even particularly like birthday cake.  Why does have it be cake?  Can't it be a dessert I enjoy more like brownies or pie?  (Yes I know it can, but I share a birthday party with my mom and she wants cake so I do cake).

I agree with this. We celebrate Christmas the same way we do Thanksgiving - Family and amazing food, sharing stories and experiences. I havent had a Christmas tree (fire hazard) in years and I haven't purchased "Christmas presents" in just as long when I broke away from consumerism.
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Post by: mm1970 on May 14, 2018, 08:53:53 AM
Watching other people play sports.  Doubly, if paying to do so...
I don't do this often but...

My husband and I had our first date playing volleyball.  We played a lot together when younger.

So for awhile, years later, it was a fun thing for us to go to a college game when he was in grad school.  Mostly women's games because the rallies lasted longer.  But we recently had a date night, spent $70 on babysitting and $20 on a men's volleyball game.  It was fun to watch, especially when it's a sport that you (used to) play (mediocre-ly).

Likewise, my big kid plays baseball, though I think he finally decided he's done. So, we go to his games (obv) and it's fun to watch.  Though those are free.
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Post by: FreshPrincess on May 14, 2018, 09:46:08 AM
People who suffer with migraines and/or stomach problems and are unwilling to alter their diets to try and help because it seems 'too extreme'... but are all too willing to pop pills like they're candy and hook themselves up to treatment machines.
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Post by: NV Teacher on May 14, 2018, 10:14:03 AM
I don't get people that have children and then don't seem to want to parent them.
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Post by: FireHiker on May 14, 2018, 10:14:53 AM
People who suffer with migraines and/or stomach problems and are unwilling to alter their diets to try and help because it seems 'too extreme'... but are all too willing to pop pills like they're candy and hook themselves up to treatment machines.

No kidding; I altered my diet (MSG was my biggest trigger, though it took awhile to identify) and went from having 30+ bad migraines a year to maybe 3 or 4 moderate ones. Sure, it won't work for some people if their migraines are triggered by something else, but isn't it at least worth trying to change your diet/keeping a food diary as opposed to spending $$$ on pills right off the bat? I was willing to try almost anything before resorting to pills and I'm so happy that I was able to mostly alleviate mine with dietary changes. I still get a few due to weather changes or hormones, but eliminating 90% of them was well worth saying no to Chick Fil A, for instance.

My rant: I don't get people hiking in the wilderness blaring music. If you want to listen to music, fine, wear a fucking earbud. If I'm 10,000 feet up a mountain backpacking (yesterday, in fact) I don't want to hear your music. I want to be in freaking nature.
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Post by: ketchup on May 14, 2018, 10:15:25 AM
Holidays.  Mostly they're just deadlines and excuses for excess.  My most tolerable holiday is probably Halloween, as it seems very socially acceptable to be anywhere from the 0% to 100% spectrum in participating, it has an emphasis on creativity, and zero gift expectations, though it does still encourage gluttony quite a bit.

Sports.  I can understand the enjoyment of playing sports, or watching sports in the general sense.  It can be enjoyable to watch professionals of any kind demonstrate their prowess.  It's not my thing, fine.  But the sort of ethos that leads to die-hard fans of a given team and the Super Bowl being essentially a national holiday is baffling to me.

Consuming significant personal resources to impress people.  I know a guy I work with (NOT a "car guy") that bought a new Dodge Challenger to impress his step-father that he doesn't like.  This guy also has a literal leaky roof in his house that is "too expensive" to fix.  He and his house always smell like a swamp.

Similar: significant disparity on spending relative to the value something provides you.  My grandpa that sends 3-4 emails a week, reads the news, and does literally nothing else with his computer last year bought a $2000 Dell gaming computer "because [he] wanted a good one."  He plugs it into his tiny shitty 2004-era LCD monitor that he likes because it has built-in speakers that barely get used unless someone sends him a video.

I'm sure I've got more...
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Post by: Rightflyer on May 14, 2018, 10:27:51 AM
The majority of things associated with holidays, with the exception of getting together with people you love.

My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving for this reason - you share a lovely meal with loved ones. 

The majority of the other crap - Christmas decorations, gifts, cards, etc. - that is more stress than anything else. Some of it is downright ridiculous IMO.  My kids are 1/16th Irish.  I'm not making them green frosting cupcakes for St. Patrick's day with little gold chocolates.  I don't want insanely overpriced flowers for Valentine's Day.  I don't even particularly like birthday cake.  Why does have it be cake?  Can't it be a dessert I enjoy more like brownies or pie?  (Yes I know it can, but I share a birthday party with my mom and she wants cake so I do cake).


I agree with this. We celebrate Christmas the same way we do Thanksgiving - Family and amazing food, sharing stories and experiences. I havent had a Christmas tree (fire hazard) in years and I haven't purchased "Christmas presents" in just as long when I broke away from consumerism.

Last Christmas we bought a small evergreen in a pot at the local grocery store.
Planted it in the garden last weekend.
I think that is a win-win?

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Post by: AZDude on May 14, 2018, 11:17:46 AM
People who do not plan out anything in advance. Even the simple things like "what is the most efficient, easiest way to get from my home to the grocery store", and instead take some bizarre route involving multiple left turns, none of which happen at a traffic light, construction zones, etc...

Just take a moment before you back out of your driveway to think about how to get where you are going.

People who hate sports and make comments like "its just men playing with their balls", as if their preferred activities are altruistic and universally loved. Don't like sports, cool, but no need to attack other people just because you don't understand something. I would never want to run a marathon or go bungee jumping or sew my own clothes, but there is no need for me to mercilessly mock the people who do.

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Post by: SwordGuy on May 14, 2018, 11:46:37 AM
People who hate sports and make comments like "its just men playing with their balls", as if their preferred activities are altruistic and universally loved. Don't like sports, cool, but no need to attack other people just because you don't understand something. I would never want to run a marathon or go bungee jumping or sew my own clothes, but there is no need for me to mercilessly mock the people who do.

If you go back and read my comments in full, with attention, you'll find my objections in that particular section are having our community taxed for $30,000,000 for that "privilege" (a sum that represents EIGHTEEN PERCENT OF OUR CITY'S ANNUAL GROSS REVENUE), forcing other people to subsidize their enjoyment, and ludicrously thinking they are real men because their team won.   

I have no problem with people who just enjoy watching or playing sports.  Hope they have a wonderful time doing so.   I don't even mind paying taxes for modest facilities in city parks so citizens have a place to play one another.   That's a great use of tax dollars.   

If someone put forward a case study in which they spent EIGHTEEN PERCENT of their gross income on JUST ONE OF MANY sports activities, and yet had serious financial issues in their life and claimed they couldn't afford to deal with the others, we would all be merciless in our disdain of their choices.    That's where I am on my city's boondoggle of a stadium.
And, having seen this scenario play out over and over and over and over all across my country the last 5 decades, I'm just over being polite about it.   It's ludicrous that the highest paid state officials in most states are coaches.   Simply ludicrous.  So, yes, we going millions of dollars into debt so people can watch men play with their balls in public.   

People who enjoy the tax dollars squandered on the sports industrial complex aren't used to being held accountable for the foolishness of that use of our scarce public resources.   I think they should be.   Given that there's always someone's brother-in-law who'll make a killing on the land deal for a stadium, and on another deal to build the stadium, and by the news media who get income from advertising and covering these activities, and the politicians who will get votes for providing these facilities, surely my little voice of scorn can be ignored by sports enthusiasts.  It will certainly be ignored by anyone in power.


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Post by: BookLoverL on May 14, 2018, 12:03:10 PM
I don't get how people are happy to do the same thing all day all the time. Not just with jobs, but with hobbies too - I know a fair few people who seem to spend 80% at least of their free time on THE SAME HOBBY EVERY DAY. Like, it's probably good that this type of person exists. They're of course at liberty to do whatever they want with their time. But, it's just: how are they not really bored?
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Post by: Carrie on May 14, 2018, 12:11:33 PM
I don't get why people read rant posts and then find themselves offended at rants.  Like, it's just your opinion, man.

I don't get why people frequent a message board that discusses something in particular and then 1.doesn't believe it works and says that loudly, every post  2. Finds many reasons why it doesn't work for them, for the majority, whatever, and then disparage those who do subscribe to the method/belief. I've seen this on multiple boards, not just this board in particular. 

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Post by: Schaefer Light on May 14, 2018, 12:27:22 PM
I don't get how people are happy to do the same thing all day all the time. Not just with jobs, but with hobbies too - I know a fair few people who seem to spend 80% at least of their free time on THE SAME HOBBY EVERY DAY. Like, it's probably good that this type of person exists. They're of course at liberty to do whatever they want with their time. But, it's just: how are they not really bored?

I think it's because practicing for thousands of hours is how you get really good at something.
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Post by: sui generis on May 14, 2018, 12:30:47 PM
Boyfriend doesn't seem proud of not being a reader, he's just matter of fact about it.... but I really just don't understand not liking reading books. He doesn't have a disability that makes reading difficult. He just doesn't enjoy it - which, whatever, we're all different, but sometimes I find myself really wanting to understand what he finds so distasteful about reading books, you know?

Are you sure he can read?  Totally not meant to be insulting, I was just listening to a story the other day told by a woman who, something like 5 years into her relationship with a guy finally learned he was illiterate.  She couldn't believe how she could miss something like that that would seem like it would be obvious.  She spent a lot of time trying to reconstruct how she didn't notice.  One thing she related was that when she wrote poetry and wanted him to read it, he would ask her to read it to him because he liked hearing her works in her own voice.  But it was still a mystery in a thousand little ways that she could have possibly not found out.  So yeah, it's terribly unlikely you've missed this, but I just don't get it with her story.  Shocking.

Other things I don't get:  also running.  I only do that when someone's chasing me and I'm terrified (luckily never happened, but I at least envision I would run in that situation), or if I want to catch a bus that I would otherwise miss.  And even then, I consider whether I should just wait  for the next one.  I just don't get doing it for fun.

I don't get people who don't vote.  Or maybe I don't get why it's so easy for me to vote.  I didn't grow up in a family that talked politics or took me to the polling place when they voted.  I literally don't remember any of my 4 parents once talking about voting when I was a kid.  Not only in my family, but my community, my school.  Totally unremarked upon.  But somehow, the day I turned 18, I registered and have voted every time since.  Since it took so little to get me to do it, and it takes so little to keep doing it, it just seems like it would be harder to avoid doing it and I don't get how other people do all that hard work of avoiding it all the time!  I mean, the ROI for me (suspecting my vote makes a difference) barely has to exist at all because it's just something I do without thinking, like brushing my teeth every day.  But at least I know I was taught that and that's how that became a habit.  So there is a big disconnect there for me - I realize it's not the same for a lot of other people, and that's just the way the world is whether I'll ever truly understand it or not.  But I still wish I could be in their heads sometime so I could get it in my gut.
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Post by: AZDude on May 14, 2018, 12:45:04 PM
People who hate sports and make comments like "its just men playing with their balls", as if their preferred activities are altruistic and universally loved. Don't like sports, cool, but no need to attack other people just because you don't understand something. I would never want to run a marathon or go bungee jumping or sew my own clothes, but there is no need for me to mercilessly mock the people who do.

If you go back and read my comments in full, with attention, you'll find my objections in that particular section are having our community taxed for $30,000,000 for that "privilege" (a sum that represents EIGHTEEN PERCENT OF OUR CITY'S ANNUAL GROSS REVENUE), forcing other people to subsidize their enjoyment, and ludicrously thinking they are real men because their team won.   

I have no problem with people who just enjoy watching or playing sports.  Hope they have a wonderful time doing so.   I don't even mind paying taxes for modest facilities in city parks so citizens have a place to play one another.   That's a great use of tax dollars.   

If someone put forward a case study in which they spent EIGHTEEN PERCENT of their gross income on JUST ONE OF MANY sports activities, and yet had serious financial issues in their life and claimed they couldn't afford to deal with the others, we would all be merciless in our disdain of their choices.    That's where I am on my city's boondoggle of a stadium.
And, having seen this scenario play out over and over and over and over all across my country the last 5 decades, I'm just over being polite about it.   It's ludicrous that the highest paid state officials in most states are coaches.   Simply ludicrous.  So, yes, we going millions of dollars into debt so people can watch men play with their balls in public.   

People who enjoy the tax dollars squandered on the sports industrial complex aren't used to being held accountable for the foolishness of that use of our scarce public resources.   I think they should be.   Given that there's always someone's brother-in-law who'll make a killing on the land deal for a stadium, and on another deal to build the stadium, and by the news media who get income from advertising and covering these activities, and the politicians who will get votes for providing these facilities, surely my little voice of scorn can be ignored by sports enthusiasts.  It will certainly be ignored by anyone in power.

I have never been in favor of subsidized sports stadiums for pro teams. College is different, but even then I would never be in favor of the type of stadiums being built.
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Post by: robartsd on May 14, 2018, 12:47:28 PM
Soccer - so boring, give me some NFL football!
I once knew a soccer mom and her kids who liked to tease Dad about how much time in football is between plays - as the team would get out of a huddle they'd say something like "O look they're about to DO something". I can't speak much myself, because I do sometimes enjoy watching baseball where most of the game is played with one guy trying to hit the ball with a bat while another guy throws a ball past him - just about everyone else is standing around in case the batter is successful at putting the ball in play (100's of pitches each game but usually only a few dozen plays).
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Post by: RWD on May 14, 2018, 12:56:00 PM
Soccer - so boring, give me some NFL football!
I once knew a soccer mom and her kids who liked to tease Dad about how much time in football is between plays - as the team would get out of a huddle they'd say something like "O look they're about to DO something". I can't speak much myself, because I do sometimes enjoy watching baseball where most of the game is played with one guy trying to hit the ball with a bat while another guy throws a ball past him - just about everyone else is standing around in case the batter is successful at putting the ball in play (100's of pitches each game but usually only a few dozen plays).
An average NFL football game is only 6% playing:
(http://i.imgur.com/i3OtXsk.png)
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Post by: Travis on May 14, 2018, 01:01:46 PM
The majority of things associated with holidays, with the exception of getting together with people you love.

My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving for this reason - you share a lovely meal with loved ones. 

The majority of the other crap - Christmas decorations, gifts, cards, etc. - that is more stress than anything else. Some of it is downright ridiculous IMO.  My kids are 1/16th Irish.  I'm not making them green frosting cupcakes for St. Patrick's day with little gold chocolates.  I don't want insanely overpriced flowers for Valentine's Day.  I don't even particularly like birthday cake.  Why does have it be cake?  Can't it be a dessert I enjoy more like brownies or pie?  (Yes I know it can, but I share a birthday party with my mom and she wants cake so I do cake).

I've taken to calling most holidays "Hallmark event number (blank)."  Regardless of the reason the holiday was created, it now exists to sell stuff.  If it isn't Hallmark, then it's your local furniture store or car dealership.  Christmas is the only exception because EVERYTHING is for sale.
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Post by: Travis on May 14, 2018, 01:02:32 PM
Obsession with home ownership in the UK.

Why is this an issue? High cost?
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Post by: BookLoverL on May 14, 2018, 01:22:29 PM
I don't get how people are happy to do the same thing all day all the time. Not just with jobs, but with hobbies too - I know a fair few people who seem to spend 80% at least of their free time on THE SAME HOBBY EVERY DAY. Like, it's probably good that this type of person exists. They're of course at liberty to do whatever they want with their time. But, it's just: how are they not really bored?

I think it's because practicing for thousands of hours is how you get really good at something.

I know practising stuff is how you get good at it. I just don't understand how they can actually get their brains to stick to the same project for ages without looking at something else and going "Oooh, shiny!" and ending up splitting their time between at least 5 different things or something.
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Post by: jlcnuke on May 14, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
People who are proud that they vote, but can't answer basic questions about the people they voted for (often those who just show up to vote their party line, or who know they want to vote for "that one guy" so they then just pick people they don't have any clue about to vote for at the same time). They are often the ones posting on Facebook et al about how "you can't say anything if you didn't vote" etc.
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Post by: Still Being on May 14, 2018, 01:39:03 PM
I don't get not getting it
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Post by: simonsez on May 14, 2018, 01:54:56 PM
People who hate sports and make comments like "its just men playing with their balls", as if their preferred activities are altruistic and universally loved. Don't like sports, cool, but no need to attack other people just because you don't understand something. I would never want to run a marathon or go bungee jumping or sew my own clothes, but there is no need for me to mercilessly mock the people who do.

If you go back and read my comments in full, with attention, you'll find my objections in that particular section are having our community taxed for $30,000,000 for that "privilege" (a sum that represents EIGHTEEN PERCENT OF OUR CITY'S ANNUAL GROSS REVENUE), forcing other people to subsidize their enjoyment, and ludicrously thinking they are real men because their team won.   

I have no problem with people who just enjoy watching or playing sports.  Hope they have a wonderful time doing so.   I don't even mind paying taxes for modest facilities in city parks so citizens have a place to play one another.   That's a great use of tax dollars.   

If someone put forward a case study in which they spent EIGHTEEN PERCENT of their gross income on JUST ONE OF MANY sports activities, and yet had serious financial issues in their life and claimed they couldn't afford to deal with the others, we would all be merciless in our disdain of their choices.    That's where I am on my city's boondoggle of a stadium.
And, having seen this scenario play out over and over and over and over all across my country the last 5 decades, I'm just over being polite about it.   It's ludicrous that the highest paid state officials in most states are coaches.   Simply ludicrous.  So, yes, we going millions of dollars into debt so people can watch men play with their balls in public.   

People who enjoy the tax dollars squandered on the sports industrial complex aren't used to being held accountable for the foolishness of that use of our scarce public resources.   I think they should be.   Given that there's always someone's brother-in-law who'll make a killing on the land deal for a stadium, and on another deal to build the stadium, and by the news media who get income from advertising and covering these activities, and the politicians who will get votes for providing these facilities, surely my little voice of scorn can be ignored by sports enthusiasts.  It will certainly be ignored by anyone in power.

I have never been in favor of subsidized sports stadiums for pro teams. College is different, but even then I would never be in favor of the type of stadiums being built.
Wait, don't cities/municipalities vote on this?  The owner of a team can voice their opinion about wanting a certain type of stadium or an update or a location that will offer blah blah.  A city commission puts together a plan.  If the city votes 'Yes', the plan is put to the owner and if they green light the project then you get a huge stadium that can cost millions of taxpayer dollars.  If the city votes 'No', however, it won't spend money on it.  An owner holding a city hostage to build the billionaire their stadium is beside the point, if the city didn't want to play ball metaphorically, then no ball would be played literally.

If cities didn't want the professional franchises or at least didn't want to subsidize the venues to such an extent, they would vote 'No'.  If voting in your city is limited to those at City Hall, maybe next time vote for some people that will align with your interests.  Either way, if delegates or the whole city is voting to spend taxpayer dollars on something, it sounds like democracy is working.

As for states' highest paid "employees" all being collegiate coaches, a lot of this is driven by simple economics*.  Look at the revenues and costs of each sport.  At many universities, especially in the South, football makes so much money (including paying the ludicrous coaching staff salaries) that it is able to pay for the other sports that pretty much all lose money (basketball is usually about a break-even with a few schools in the black).  If Bryant-Denny didn't have 110,000 people in it and say only 30000, I bet Nick Saban wouldn't be making his current salary.  The link below shows Bama football made 45 million in PROFIT in 2017.  The net profit for the entire athletic department was 15 million.  That means all other sports were able to operate at a negative 30 million clip and the athletic department still made money and did not have to touch monies that have to do with education.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/report-alabama-athletics-reports-over-174-million-in-revenue-in-2017/

* So are teacher/educator salaries.  I agree they are low for the service that is provided to our children and communities ignoring supply and demand for a second, but each year thousands of 22/23 year olds are willing to work for these low salaries.  The supply is too high.  Public education will continue to erode until taxpayers are willing to pay more (increased demand) and/or standards for entry to the field are raised higher (limiting supply).
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Post by: Curmudgeon on May 14, 2018, 02:05:38 PM
Why is there such a strong correlation between what political party you identify with, and your belief in climate change?  I mean, do democrats and republicans have different opinions on what constitutes dark matter, or what the speed of light in a vacuum is?  I don't get why climate is a political issue, rather than a scientific one.

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Post by: mak1277 on May 14, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
Why is there such a strong correlation between what political party you identify with, and your belief in climate change?  I mean, do democrats and republicans have different opinions on what constitutes dark matter, or what the speed of light in a vacuum is?  I don't get why climate is a political issue, rather than a scientific one.

Because denying climate change is much more politically expedient than saying, "I believe in climate change, but I care more about pro-business policies than the environment."

(and I'm a Republican).

I don't get - People who complain about things but aren't motivated enough to do anything about it.
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Post by: Travis on May 14, 2018, 02:20:45 PM
Why is there such a strong correlation between what political party you identify with, and your belief in climate change?  I mean, do democrats and republicans have different opinions on what constitutes dark matter, or what the speed of light in a vacuum is?  I don't get why climate is a political issue, rather than a scientific one.

Reductions in pollution requires government regulations or changes to business models which cost money. Costing businesses money = key Republican issue.
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Post by: Stachless on May 14, 2018, 02:45:09 PM
People who hate sports and make comments like "its just men playing with their balls", as if their preferred activities are altruistic and universally loved. Don't like sports, cool, but no need to attack other people just because you don't understand something. I would never want to run a marathon or go bungee jumping or sew my own clothes, but there is no need for me to mercilessly mock the people who do.

If you go back and read my comments in full, with attention, you'll find my objections in that particular section are having our community taxed for $30,000,000 for that "privilege" (a sum that represents EIGHTEEN PERCENT OF OUR CITY'S ANNUAL GROSS REVENUE), forcing other people to subsidize their enjoyment, and ludicrously thinking they are real men because their team won.   

I have no problem with people who just enjoy watching or playing sports.  Hope they have a wonderful time doing so.   I don't even mind paying taxes for modest facilities in city parks so citizens have a place to play one another.   That's a great use of tax dollars.   

If someone put forward a case study in which they spent EIGHTEEN PERCENT of their gross income on JUST ONE OF MANY sports activities, and yet had serious financial issues in their life and claimed they couldn't afford to deal with the others, we would all be merciless in our disdain of their choices.    That's where I am on my city's boondoggle of a stadium.
And, having seen this scenario play out over and over and over and over all across my country the last 5 decades, I'm just over being polite about it.   It's ludicrous that the highest paid state officials in most states are coaches.   Simply ludicrous.  So, yes, we going millions of dollars into debt so people can watch men play with their balls in public.   

People who enjoy the tax dollars squandered on the sports industrial complex aren't used to being held accountable for the foolishness of that use of our scarce public resources.   I think they should be.   Given that there's always someone's brother-in-law who'll make a killing on the land deal for a stadium, and on another deal to build the stadium, and by the news media who get income from advertising and covering these activities, and the politicians who will get votes for providing these facilities, surely my little voice of scorn can be ignored by sports enthusiasts.  It will certainly be ignored by anyone in power.

Have you given any thought to the Revenue side of this equation?  Perhaps a giant stadium will require some jobs (they do not build and run themselves after all) that expands your city's tax base in addition to a host of other benefits?
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Post by: Imma on May 14, 2018, 02:55:47 PM
People who suffer with migraines and/or stomach problems and are unwilling to alter their diets to try and help because it seems 'too extreme'... but are all too willing to pop pills like they're candy and hook themselves up to treatment machines.

What I don't get is people giving out all kinds of medical advice out to strangers who didn't ask for your opinion.
I happen to have both an auto-immune disease and frequent migraines and you won't believe the kind of crazy advice I get on an almost daily basis. Even when their intentions are good, I'd rather take the advice of doctors who've spent years studying medicine.
That said, I totally agree that popping pills, especially pain killers, should be avoided as much as possible.

( no offence meant, but there is no link between migraines and food at all. This has been proven wrong a long time ago. Migraine is a brain disease and symptoms start in your brain days before the patient gets a migraine. Because of these developments you get tired / stressed  / crave foods, but it's because of the migraine, not causing it.  Or in the words of my neurologist: "chocolate causes migraines like pickles cause pregnancy". ) 
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Post by: Hedge_87 on May 14, 2018, 03:04:00 PM
People who hate sports and make comments like "its just men playing with their balls", as if their preferred activities are altruistic and universally loved. Don't like sports, cool, but no need to attack other people just because you don't understand something. I would never want to run a marathon or go bungee jumping or sew my own clothes, but there is no need for me to mercilessly mock the people who do.

If you go back and read my comments in full, with attention, you'll find my objections in that particular section are having our community taxed for $30,000,000 for that "privilege" (a sum that represents EIGHTEEN PERCENT OF OUR CITY'S ANNUAL GROSS REVENUE), forcing other people to subsidize their enjoyment, and ludicrously thinking they are real men because their team won.   

I have no problem with people who just enjoy watching or playing sports.  Hope they have a wonderful time doing so.   I don't even mind paying taxes for modest facilities in city parks so citizens have a place to play one another.   That's a great use of tax dollars.   

If someone put forward a case study in which they spent EIGHTEEN PERCENT of their gross income on JUST ONE OF MANY sports activities, and yet had serious financial issues in their life and claimed they couldn't afford to deal with the others, we would all be merciless in our disdain of their choices.    That's where I am on my city's boondoggle of a stadium.
And, having seen this scenario play out over and over and over and over all across my country the last 5 decades, I'm just over being polite about it.   It's ludicrous that the highest paid state officials in most states are coaches.   Simply ludicrous.  So, yes, we going millions of dollars into debt so people can watch men play with their balls in public.   

People who enjoy the tax dollars squandered on the sports industrial complex aren't used to being held accountable for the foolishness of that use of our scarce public resources.   I think they should be.   Given that there's always someone's brother-in-law who'll make a killing on the land deal for a stadium, and on another deal to build the stadium, and by the news media who get income from advertising and covering these activities, and the politicians who will get votes for providing these facilities, surely my little voice of scorn can be ignored by sports enthusiasts.  It will certainly be ignored by anyone in power.

Have you given any thought to the Revenue side of this equation?  Perhaps a giant stadium will require some jobs (they do not build and run themselves after all) that expands your city's tax base in addition to a host of other benefits?

This.

Same reason why a city would want to give tax breaks to any big businesses. You get a lot of money coming into your city from outside sources (hotels, restaurants, etc). I live in a very small community that worked really hard to host state little league baseball for this reason. Our hotel was booked all weekend all of our restaurants had a waiting line and the grocery store parking lot was full all weekend. Even our camp grounds where full. I know for a bigger town this would be a drop in a bucket but you could see how it would scale.
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Post by: Jouer on May 14, 2018, 03:06:23 PM
People who hate sports and make comments like "its just men playing with their balls", as if their preferred activities are altruistic and universally loved. Don't like sports, cool, but no need to attack other people just because you don't understand something. I would never want to run a marathon or go bungee jumping or sew my own clothes, but there is no need for me to mercilessly mock the people who do.

If you go back and read my comments in full, with attention, you'll find my objections in that particular section are having our community taxed for $30,000,000 for that "privilege" (a sum that represents EIGHTEEN PERCENT OF OUR CITY'S ANNUAL GROSS REVENUE), forcing other people to subsidize their enjoyment, and ludicrously thinking they are real men because their team won.   

I have no problem with people who just enjoy watching or playing sports.  Hope they have a wonderful time doing so.   I don't even mind paying taxes for modest facilities in city parks so citizens have a place to play one another.   That's a great use of tax dollars.   

If someone put forward a case study in which they spent EIGHTEEN PERCENT of their gross income on JUST ONE OF MANY sports activities, and yet had serious financial issues in their life and claimed they couldn't afford to deal with the others, we would all be merciless in our disdain of their choices.    That's where I am on my city's boondoggle of a stadium.
And, having seen this scenario play out over and over and over and over all across my country the last 5 decades, I'm just over being polite about it.   It's ludicrous that the highest paid state officials in most states are coaches.   Simply ludicrous.  So, yes, we going millions of dollars into debt so people can watch men play with their balls in public.   

People who enjoy the tax dollars squandered on the sports industrial complex aren't used to being held accountable for the foolishness of that use of our scarce public resources.   I think they should be.   Given that there's always someone's brother-in-law who'll make a killing on the land deal for a stadium, and on another deal to build the stadium, and by the news media who get income from advertising and covering these activities, and the politicians who will get votes for providing these facilities, surely my little voice of scorn can be ignored by sports enthusiasts.  It will certainly be ignored by anyone in power.

Have you given any thought to the Revenue side of this equation?  Perhaps a giant stadium will require some jobs (they do not build and run themselves after all) that expands your city's tax base in addition to a host of other benefits?

Research has shown that economically, tax funded sports stadiums are a net-negative overall. (Don't have that in front of me right now)

I'm a huge sports fan but I am against paying for billionaire's private company assets.  I wasn't always....until I saw the report (that I don't have in front of me to share).
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Post by: Hula Hoop on May 14, 2018, 03:21:43 PM
I don't get running marathons.  Shorter runs I can understand but marathons just seem miserable for everyone involved. 

I also don't get religion, since we're being honest here.  I try to understand religious people and I'm tolerant of their beliefs but I just don't get how people can believe all that stuff.

And same with watching sports.  My husband watches all kinds of sports on TV but I just don't get the fascination with it.
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Post by: sui generis on May 14, 2018, 03:32:18 PM
People who hate sports and make comments like "its just men playing with their balls", as if their preferred activities are altruistic and universally loved. Don't like sports, cool, but no need to attack other people just because you don't understand something. I would never want to run a marathon or go bungee jumping or sew my own clothes, but there is no need for me to mercilessly mock the people who do.

If you go back and read my comments in full, with attention, you'll find my objections in that particular section are having our community taxed for $30,000,000 for that "privilege" (a sum that represents EIGHTEEN PERCENT OF OUR CITY'S ANNUAL GROSS REVENUE), forcing other people to subsidize their enjoyment, and ludicrously thinking they are real men because their team won.   

I have no problem with people who just enjoy watching or playing sports.  Hope they have a wonderful time doing so.   I don't even mind paying taxes for modest facilities in city parks so citizens have a place to play one another.   That's a great use of tax dollars.   

If someone put forward a case study in which they spent EIGHTEEN PERCENT of their gross income on JUST ONE OF MANY sports activities, and yet had serious financial issues in their life and claimed they couldn't afford to deal with the others, we would all be merciless in our disdain of their choices.    That's where I am on my city's boondoggle of a stadium.
And, having seen this scenario play out over and over and over and over all across my country the last 5 decades, I'm just over being polite about it.   It's ludicrous that the highest paid state officials in most states are coaches.   Simply ludicrous.  So, yes, we going millions of dollars into debt so people can watch men play with their balls in public.   

People who enjoy the tax dollars squandered on the sports industrial complex aren't used to being held accountable for the foolishness of that use of our scarce public resources.   I think they should be.   Given that there's always someone's brother-in-law who'll make a killing on the land deal for a stadium, and on another deal to build the stadium, and by the news media who get income from advertising and covering these activities, and the politicians who will get votes for providing these facilities, surely my little voice of scorn can be ignored by sports enthusiasts.  It will certainly be ignored by anyone in power.

Have you given any thought to the Revenue side of this equation?  Perhaps a giant stadium will require some jobs (they do not build and run themselves after all) that expands your city's tax base in addition to a host of other benefits?

Research has shown that economically, tax funded sports stadiums are a net-negative overall. (Don't have that in front of me right now)

I'm a huge sports fan but I am against paying for billionaire's private company assets.  I wasn't always....until I saw the report (that I don't have in front of me to share).

So much this.  I not only have read that study, but I lived it.  And I was grossed out by every minute of it.  And yet it continues to happen and the rich owners and boosters keep getting to pretend the public benefits and no one (successfully) calls them out on it.  It's horrifying to see.
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Post by: robartsd on May 14, 2018, 03:38:56 PM
Research has shown that economically, tax funded sports stadiums are a net-negative overall. (Don't have that in front of me right now)

I'm a huge sports fan but I am against paying for billionaire's private company assets.  I wasn't always....until I saw the report (that I don't have in front of me to share).
Here's a Forbes article (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2015/01/31/publicly-financed-sports-stadiums-are-a-game-that-taxpayers-lose/#72a6327b4f07) on the topic.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 14, 2018, 03:43:57 PM
People who suffer with migraines and/or stomach problems and are unwilling to alter their diets to try and help because it seems 'too extreme'... but are all too willing to pop pills like they're candy and hook themselves up to treatment machines.

No kidding; I altered my diet (MSG was my biggest trigger, though it took awhile to identify) and went from having 30+ bad migraines a year to maybe 3 or 4 moderate ones. Sure, it won't work for some people if their migraines are triggered by something else, but isn't it at least worth trying to change your diet/keeping a food diary as opposed to spending $$$ on pills right off the bat? I was willing to try almost anything before resorting to pills and I'm so happy that I was able to mostly alleviate mine with dietary changes. I still get a few due to weather changes or hormones, but eliminating 90% of them was well worth saying no to Chick Fil A, for instance.

YES. I have celiac disease. I gave up gluten immediately because it was worth it not to have debilitating migraines and GI pain. People seem really confused by this and claim that they "could never do that!" So basically, they're telling me that if they were diagnosed with an autoimmune disease that could be completely treated just by diet, they wouldn't bother. I don't get it.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 14, 2018, 03:48:35 PM
I don't get how people are happy to do the same thing all day all the time. Not just with jobs, but with hobbies too - I know a fair few people who seem to spend 80% at least of their free time on THE SAME HOBBY EVERY DAY. Like, it's probably good that this type of person exists. They're of course at liberty to do whatever they want with their time. But, it's just: how are they not really bored?

I think it's because practicing for thousands of hours is how you get really good at something.

Yes. I sing and cook and knit. Fifteen years ago, I was at best mediocre at all three. Now I sing with small audition-only choirs, cook from scratch most days, and knit my own clothing.

Honestly, I don't get how normal, healthy people are ever bored. The last time I was bored was back in January, when I had the flu and was too sick to concentrate on TV or a book but couldn't sleep. Laying on the sofa with absolutely no energy is boring, for sure. Otherwise, I can always find something at least moderately interesting to do.
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Post by: Hedge_87 on May 14, 2018, 04:42:14 PM
People who hate sports and make comments like "its just men playing with their balls", as if their preferred activities are altruistic and universally loved. Don't like sports, cool, but no need to attack other people just because you don't understand something. I would never want to run a marathon or go bungee jumping or sew my own clothes, but there is no need for me to mercilessly mock the people who do.

If you go back and read my comments in full, with attention, you'll find my objections in that particular section are having our community taxed for $30,000,000 for that "privilege" (a sum that represents EIGHTEEN PERCENT OF OUR CITY'S ANNUAL GROSS REVENUE), forcing other people to subsidize their enjoyment, and ludicrously thinking they are real men because their team won.   

I have no problem with people who just enjoy watching or playing sports.  Hope they have a wonderful time doing so.   I don't even mind paying taxes for modest facilities in city parks so citizens have a place to play one another.   That's a great use of tax dollars.   

If someone put forward a case study in which they spent EIGHTEEN PERCENT of their gross income on JUST ONE OF MANY sports activities, and yet had serious financial issues in their life and claimed they couldn't afford to deal with the others, we would all be merciless in our disdain of their choices.    That's where I am on my city's boondoggle of a stadium.
And, having seen this scenario play out over and over and over and over all across my country the last 5 decades, I'm just over being polite about it.   It's ludicrous that the highest paid state officials in most states are coaches.   Simply ludicrous.  So, yes, we going millions of dollars into debt so people can watch men play with their balls in public.   

People who enjoy the tax dollars squandered on the sports industrial complex aren't used to being held accountable for the foolishness of that use of our scarce public resources.   I think they should be.   Given that there's always someone's brother-in-law who'll make a killing on the land deal for a stadium, and on another deal to build the stadium, and by the news media who get income from advertising and covering these activities, and the politicians who will get votes for providing these facilities, surely my little voice of scorn can be ignored by sports enthusiasts.  It will certainly be ignored by anyone in power.

Have you given any thought to the Revenue side of this equation?  Perhaps a giant stadium will require some jobs (they do not build and run themselves after all) that expands your city's tax base in addition to a host of other benefits?

Research has shown that economically, tax funded sports stadiums are a net-negative overall. (Don't have that in front of me right now)

I'm a huge sports fan but I am against paying for billionaire's private company assets.  I wasn't always....until I saw the report (that I don't have in front of me to share).

So much this.  I not only have read that study, but I lived it.  And I was grossed out by every minute of it.  And yet it continues to happen and the rich owners and boosters keep getting to pretend the public benefits and no one (successfully) calls them out on it.  It's horrifying to see.

Interesting I stand corrected. I'll have to see if I can find the study. Always interested in learning something new.
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Post by: Tris Prior on May 14, 2018, 06:41:08 PM
Are you sure he can read?  Totally not meant to be insulting, I was just listening to a story the other day told by a woman who, something like 5 years into her relationship with a guy finally learned he was illiterate.  She couldn't believe how she could miss something like that that would seem like it would be obvious.  She spent a lot of time trying to reconstruct how she didn't notice.  One thing she related was that when she wrote poetry and wanted him to read it, he would ask her to read it to him because he liked hearing her works in her own voice.  But it was still a mystery in a thousand little ways that she could have possibly not found out.  So yeah, it's terribly unlikely you've missed this, but I just don't get it with her story.  Shocking.

Oh yes, he can read fine. He reads comics. He reads social media and websites. Just is not into books.

I just thought of another one: board games and card games. We have friends who are really into this stuff and always want to pull out a game when we get together. And I'm just like.... meh? I'll participate now and then to be social, but I don't understand why it's fun. To me it feels like work - having to learn and follow rules. I mean, I do that all day long at my job, you know?
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Post by: APowers on May 14, 2018, 07:30:25 PM
Are you sure he can read?  Totally not meant to be insulting, I was just listening to a story the other day told by a woman who, something like 5 years into her relationship with a guy finally learned he was illiterate.  She couldn't believe how she could miss something like that that would seem like it would be obvious.  She spent a lot of time trying to reconstruct how she didn't notice.  One thing she related was that when she wrote poetry and wanted him to read it, he would ask her to read it to him because he liked hearing her works in her own voice.  But it was still a mystery in a thousand little ways that she could have possibly not found out.  So yeah, it's terribly unlikely you've missed this, but I just don't get it with her story.  Shocking.

Oh yes, he can read fine. He reads comics. He reads social media and websites. Just is not into books.

I just thought of another one: board games and card games. We have friends who are really into this stuff and always want to pull out a game when we get together. And I'm just like.... meh? I'll participate now and then to be social, but I don't understand why it's fun. To me it feels like work - having to learn and follow rules. I mean, I do that all day long at my job, you know?

Some of us LOVE rules, and probably should have been lawyers. Also, arguing over the semantics of the rules in margin situations is one of the best parts of playing board games, imo. On the other hand, nobody wants to play Scattergories with me, due to this, so YMMV.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 14, 2018, 08:13:43 PM
Soccer - so boring, give me some NFL football!
I once knew a soccer mom and her kids who liked to tease Dad about how much time in football is between plays - as the team would get out of a huddle they'd say something like "O look they're about to DO something". I can't speak much myself, because I do sometimes enjoy watching baseball where most of the game is played with one guy trying to hit the ball with a bat while another guy throws a ball past him - just about everyone else is standing around in case the batter is successful at putting the ball in play (100's of pitches each game but usually only a few dozen plays).

I watched soccer and know the rules.  I watched the U.S. women's team win some huge games.  But even then, I couldn't bear to watch all of it and jumped forward quite a bit and would reverse if I missed a score (the only good action.  lol).   With football, I don't want to miss a play, as each play is concentrated with heavy action, and will sometime reverse my DVR to watch a play again prior to the replays.  People who don't like it probably don't understand the game and sucked really bad at football themselves.  lol  The only part I really dislike would be the commercials and timeouts (injuries, extended reviews, etc.), but I time-shift every game by at least 30 minutes, so it makes it easy peasy to jump through those in a flash so I'm only watching the good stuff.

I watched the Cubs win the World Series a couple years ago, but other than that, I have a tough time watching much baseball, even with time-shifting and jumping forward to the next pitch.  But it sure as heck beats soccer.  I feel about the same way about hockey as I do soccer.

I basically avoid all college sports.

Teachers are paid very well in many areas when you factor in salary, pension, and the fact that they only work about 9 months a year.   Pro teams are a major benefit for a larger city that isn't realized simply by counting ticket revenue.
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Post by: calimom on May 14, 2018, 08:34:48 PM
I don't get the obsession of so many Americans' fascination with the Royal Family, most specifically the upcoming Royal Wedding. Sure, it's of some cultural and historic cultural note, but the seemingly endless news stories dissecting it and actual people planning to get up at 4 AM wearing bathrobes and cheap tiaras drinking tea while watching it on television is a curious phenomenon.


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Post by: Dee on May 14, 2018, 08:38:29 PM
I don't get how some people appear to think that prostitution is wrong but that participating is pornographic films is less wrong or substantially different. Basically, I don't get why someone would think these two types of sex work are deserving of different levels of judgment.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 14, 2018, 08:42:30 PM
I don't get the obsession of so many Americans' fascination with the Royal Family,

I don't get it, either.  And I'm bombarded with that soap opera crap in the news all the time and jump forward with the DVR to avoid it, but it's never ending.  This American couldn't care less about any of it.  I guess that gives something for the non-sports people to do.  lol
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Post by: Sojourner on May 14, 2018, 09:25:30 PM
Soccer - so boring, give me some NFL football!
I once knew a soccer mom and her kids who liked to tease Dad about how much time in football is between plays - as the team would get out of a huddle they'd say something like "O look they're about to DO something". I can't speak much myself, because I do sometimes enjoy watching baseball where most of the game is played with one guy trying to hit the ball with a bat while another guy throws a ball past him - just about everyone else is standing around in case the batter is successful at putting the ball in play (100's of pitches each game but usually only a few dozen plays).

I watched soccer and know the rules.  I watched the U.S. women's team win some huge games.  But even then, I couldn't bear to watch all of it and jumped forward quite a bit and would reverse if I missed a score (the only good action.  lol).   With football, I don't want to miss a play, as each play is concentrated with heavy action, and will sometime reverse my DVR to watch a play again prior to the replays.  People who don't like it probably don't understand the game and sucked really bad at football themselves.  lol  The only part I really dislike would be the commercials and timeouts (injuries, extended reviews, etc.), but I time-shift every game by at least 30 minutes, so it makes it easy peasy to jump through those in a flash so I'm only watching the good stuff.

I watched the Cubs win the World Series a couple years ago, but other than that, I have a tough time watching much baseball, even with time-shifting and jumping forward to the next pitch.  But it sure as heck beats soccer.  I feel about the same way about hockey as I do soccer.

I basically avoid all college sports.

Teachers are paid very well in many areas when you factor in salary, pension, and the fact that they only work about 9 months a year.   Pro teams are a major benefit for a larger city that isn't realized simply by counting ticket revenue.
It's like I wrote this myself.  I get it.  All the way down to time shifting the DVR exactly.
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Post by: Tris Prior on May 14, 2018, 09:45:32 PM
I don't get the obsession of so many Americans' fascination with the Royal Family,

I don't get it, either.  And I'm bombarded with that soap opera crap in the news all the time and jump forward with the DVR to avoid it, but it's never ending.  This American couldn't care less about any of it.  I guess that gives something for the non-sports people to do.  lol

+1. I happened to be in London last month when the new royal baby was born. My friend (American, like me) messaged me and was all "OMG OMG you're in London and the royal baby is RIGHT THERE, you have to go see the baby!!" Um, OK? Yep, it's a baby all right.
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Post by: Sojourner on May 14, 2018, 10:49:35 PM
Country music twang.  Sounds artificial.  Is that really necessary?
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Post by: BookLoverL on May 15, 2018, 01:12:32 AM
I don't get how people are happy to do the same thing all day all the time. Not just with jobs, but with hobbies too - I know a fair few people who seem to spend 80% at least of their free time on THE SAME HOBBY EVERY DAY. Like, it's probably good that this type of person exists. They're of course at liberty to do whatever they want with their time. But, it's just: how are they not really bored?

I think it's because practicing for thousands of hours is how you get really good at something.

Yes. I sing and cook and knit. Fifteen years ago, I was at best mediocre at all three. Now I sing with small audition-only choirs, cook from scratch most days, and knit my own clothing.

Honestly, I don't get how normal, healthy people are ever bored. The last time I was bored was back in January, when I had the flu and was too sick to concentrate on TV or a book but couldn't sleep. Laying on the sofa with absolutely no energy is boring, for sure. Otherwise, I can always find something at least moderately interesting to do.

Oh, I'm rarely bored. But I also switch which hobby I'm mainly doing something between every few days and every two weeks. I mean, they come back around cyclically, but, for example, my (retired in her 50s) mum literally spends 80% of her free time knitting and has done for the past couple of years. I understand she gets enjoyment from it, so I encourage her at it, but I could never spend that much time on one hobby for such a length of time. I know this has probably affected my skill level in various things...
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Post by: kei te pai on May 15, 2018, 02:55:34 AM
Guns.
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Post by: FreshPrincess on May 15, 2018, 04:49:01 AM
No offense taken.  I'm not giving medical advice :-)

My point is... why wouldn't someone try it?  And bullocks on the "food doesn't cause migraines." Maybe it's not the food itself CAUSING the migraine, but it can be a reaction by my body trying to process said food.  Like when someone has Celiac Disease, which I have.  And you know when I get my migraine?  2-3 days after I ingest something I shouldn't. I'm no stranger to unsolicited medical advice - I don't give that either.  Only when solicited or someone's whining and that's when I get the "oh, I couldn't cut out <insert XXX food here>".

I had migraines 4 times a week and for awhile they thought I had a brain tumor.  The doctors put me on Topomax and Maxalt and sent me for blood tests and brain scans.  Know what it was?  I'm a Celiac and really needed to stop eating the crap I was eating.  I stopped... and so did the migraines.  I wish my doctors would have told me about potential inflammation in my body because not every body processes every food the same.  I also had a multitude of other symptoms that definitely should have helped them draw the conclusion of diet, but they didn't.  And I was young and trusted them.

My sister has 6-8 migraines a month.  She takes Maxalt like candy.  She refuses to try cutting out some basic things that may be affecting her.  Shoot, at this point I'd just get Botox if I were her.  My sister-in-law has Celiac's and Crohn's.  She also refuses to try cutting out basic things that are known to cause inflammation.  She instead hooks herself up to a Remicade machine once a month for her treatments.

But, no. I don't think that changing your diet is a cure-all.  I do think it's worth it to try.  If it doesn't work, try something else.  I'm all for #betterlivingthroughchemistry when it's necessary.  So, long story short... I don't get people who won't TRY.

People who suffer with migraines and/or stomach problems and are unwilling to alter their diets to try and help because it seems 'too extreme'... but are all too willing to pop pills like they're candy and hook themselves up to treatment machines.

What I don't get is people giving out all kinds of medical advice out to strangers who didn't ask for your opinion.
I happen to have both an auto-immune disease and frequent migraines and you won't believe the kind of crazy advice I get on an almost daily basis. Even when their intentions are good, I'd rather take the advice of doctors who've spent years studying medicine.
That said, I totally agree that popping pills, especially pain killers, should be avoided as much as possible.

( no offence meant, but there is no link between migraines and food at all. This has been proven wrong a long time ago. Migraine is a brain disease and symptoms start in your brain days before the patient gets a migraine. Because of these developments you get tired / stressed  / crave foods, but it's because of the migraine, not causing it.  Or in the words of my neurologist: "chocolate causes migraines like pickles cause pregnancy". )
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Post by: SweetTPie on May 15, 2018, 12:18:17 PM
YES. I have celiac disease. I gave up gluten immediately because it was worth it not to have debilitating migraines and GI pain. People seem really confused by this and claim that they "could never do that!" So basically, they're telling me that if they were diagnosed with an autoimmune disease that could be completely treated just by diet, they wouldn't bother. I don't get it.

Yes, I've gotten this reaction before.  I mean, I get where they're coming from, because before I would have said "that'd be really hard" in regards to giving up all things with gluten.  Let me tell you, having recently developed DH (dermatitis herpetiformis, an itchy rash due to gluten allergy), it's suddenly not that hard at all.  The hard part is figuring out what's safe to eat if you're not the one cooking it (eg eating out), and people seem to think that cooking their own food is just too difficult to manage.

Also, I don't get why they put wheat/gluten into f*ing everything.  I mean, some brands of soy sauce (SOY sauce!) have wheat in them.
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Post by: terran on May 15, 2018, 12:46:35 PM
My rant: I don't get people hiking in the wilderness blaring music. If you want to listen to music, fine, wear a fucking earbud. If I'm 10,000 feet up a mountain backpacking (yesterday, in fact) I don't want to hear your music. I want to be in freaking nature.

The fact that that's becoming acceptable ANYWHERE, let alone up a mountain, is ridiculous.
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Post by: sui generis on May 15, 2018, 01:14:15 PM
My rant: I don't get people hiking in the wilderness blaring music. If you want to listen to music, fine, wear a fucking earbud. If I'm 10,000 feet up a mountain backpacking (yesterday, in fact) I don't want to hear your music. I want to be in freaking nature.

The fact that that's becoming acceptable ANYWHERE, let alone up a mountain, is ridiculous.
Yeah, this one makes me sad.  I kind of get it.  People like listening to music and if they are in a group, they want to all hear it and they are not concerned about (some may even thrill at) the violation of norms and the encroachment on others' enjoyment that they bet no one will speak up about.  But it's still depressing.
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Post by: profnot on May 15, 2018, 02:27:09 PM
People who go on and on and on about a topic in which I have no interest at all.  These people don't even check in with others to see if any one is interested.  They just talk and talk and talk.

The salt in the wound is when they are complaining.


A joke I made up:
One difference between an extrovert and an introvert is the extrovert assumes you are interested in whatever topic he is talking about.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 15, 2018, 02:30:41 PM
YES. I have celiac disease. I gave up gluten immediately because it was worth it not to have debilitating migraines and GI pain. People seem really confused by this and claim that they "could never do that!" So basically, they're telling me that if they were diagnosed with an autoimmune disease that could be completely treated just by diet, they wouldn't bother. I don't get it.

Yes, I've gotten this reaction before.  I mean, I get where they're coming from, because before I would have said "that'd be really hard" in regards to giving up all things with gluten.  Let me tell you, having recently developed DH (dermatitis herpetiformis, an itchy rash due to gluten allergy), it's suddenly not that hard at all.  The hard part is figuring out what's safe to eat if you're not the one cooking it (eg eating out), and people seem to think that cooking their own food is just too difficult to manage.

Also, I don't get why they put wheat/gluten into f*ing everything.  I mean, some brands of soy sauce (SOY sauce!) have wheat in them.

I totally get the ďthatíd be really hardĒ reaction. It was hard. The first time I went to the grocery store after my diagnosis, I ended up crying in the health food aisle because it felt like most of the store was poison (ITA about the soy sauce. When we went to Japan, I packed my own GF soy sauce). I donít get the people who are diagnosed and refuse to change their diets.
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Post by: driftwood on May 15, 2018, 03:46:35 PM

I don't get people who don't vote.   I don't get how other people do all that hard work of avoiding it all the time!

What do you mean by doing "all the hard work of avoiding it all the time"?  It takes no work to not vote. You literally don't change anything about your typical day, on a voting day, and poof! you've not voted!
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Post by: Psychstache on May 15, 2018, 04:05:54 PM
I don't get virtue signaling.

I don't even know what this is.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22virtue%20signaling%22
You're doing God's work, sir.

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Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 16, 2018, 03:09:52 AM
35-40 year old men playing video games for hours...Don't get it, I have never been a gamer, however most of my nephews are. I really feel bad for the wives and the kids, unless they are spending time with them playing together? I would rather be on the beach, out on the water, or in the mountains. Generational thing I guess.

Related...Movies that all look the same to me. Most seem to look like one big video game...?

Reality T.V. What a waste of time.

Gaming puts you in a flow state. People enjoy flow state. You can get it from exercise, work, anything really. That's why gaming is behaviourally addictive. It's kind of sad that some people haven't found another activity that puts them in a flow state, though. Most people have several, and a bit more productive ones than gaming. Although I qualify that by saying that I really enjoy gaming! I'm a grownup, however, so I prioritise work and family over bloody gaming.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 16, 2018, 03:19:56 AM
I don't get politics. Ok, I live in NZ, and this is a place where politicians don't do things like start wars or drop bombs or engage in corruption. It's an easy thing to have no interest in, in NZ. The only other place I've lived is Canada for several years. Similar situation. I might get politics if I lived somewhere else, but currently I don't get politics.

I don't get sport. It's all so frickin tedious. I did have a conversation with someone about why they like sport, though, and they talked about strategies and gameplay. I'm willing to accept that I might just not understand sport.

I don't get organised religion. Totally happy to accept anyone's individual beliefs, as long as they don't try to apply them to me. Seems like it should be an individual relationship with your god.
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Post by: merlin7676 on May 16, 2018, 08:58:22 AM
Running. Not good for the body. I am 61 and all my runner friends are having joints replaced. Cut it out, people.
Previous research I've done on this didn't seem to indicate that was true and that running can actually strengthen joints.  Having said that, I haven't done much running in in the last 15 years.

Home sapiens evolved to be runners. We aren't fast, or camouflaged, or secrete poison. But we are evolved to run for a long time at long distanced. So when we were chasing down that antelope on the savanna, it ran faster but eventually tired and we would come along and catch it
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: FireHiker on May 16, 2018, 09:36:08 AM
Home sapiens evolved to be runners. We aren't fast, or camouflaged, or secrete poison. But we are evolved to run for a long time at long distanced. So when we were chasing down that antelope on the savanna, it ran faster but eventually tired and we would come along and catch it

I just finished reading Born to Run, which you've basically summed up here. I never "got" running either, until I started doing it this year. I get it now. I used to mostly get into the "flow" state that Anna describes by cross stitching, but I get it from running too. If you'd told me six months ago that I would be planning to run a half marathon in a couple weeks and feeling pretty good about it, I never would have believed it. My brother does ultras and I'm intrigued...
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: honeybbq on May 16, 2018, 10:02:02 AM
Agree with the running conversation that is happening.

I used to have a lot of problems running. That was because I thought I could just go run and I'd get better at it. That wasn't the case. Even though I was athletic (soccer, skiing, hockey, etc) none really set the stage for long distance running. I always like low profile shoes, so the Born to Run theory worked for me as well.

Seeing a PT, learning where I was weak - working on some specialized exercises, getting a run gait analysis, and working on it made me a decent long distance runner. I did my first marathon on a very challenging course in 4:10 last year. This year I'm aiming to break 4 which shouldn't be hard considering I picked a flat course.


But back on topic:
I don't get fancy purses. I'm on other boards where women will literally be gleeful that a bag is on sale from 3k down to 2k. What?? I just don't understand. These are not heirlooms. These are leather bags that get dirty, sit on the floor, have crayons and lipstick in them, etc.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GreenEggs on May 16, 2018, 12:18:43 PM
I don't get tattoos.

They're expensive, and almost guaranteed to create buyer's remorse at some point in the future. If they're visible, they can affect one's career path due to other's subconscious biases. And of course there is still the risk of contracting hepatitis C from getting one, although I believe this has been greatly reduced recent years.


Ditto.

And why are most of them ugly? 

Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Dances With Fire on May 16, 2018, 12:26:43 PM
35-40 year old men playing video games for hours...Don't get it, I have never been a gamer, however most of my nephews are. I really feel bad for the wives and the kids, unless they are spending time with them playing together? I would rather be on the beach, out on the water, or in the mountains. Generational thing I guess.

Related...Movies that all look the same to me. Most seem to look like one big video game...?

Reality T.V. What a waste of time.

Gaming puts you in a flow state. People enjoy flow state. You can get it from exercise, work, anything really. That's why gaming is behaviourally addictive. It's kind of sad that some people haven't found another activity that puts them in a flow state, though. Most people have several, and a bit more productive ones than gaming. Although I qualify that by saying that I really enjoy gaming! I'm a grownup, however, so I prioritise work and family over bloody gaming.

Anna, actually thanks for your follow-up post. No one has explained this to me as a non-gamer quite the way you did. I too see this as very addictive and that is why I may be too critical towards the amount of time spent playing...

I DO get "the flow" that you speak of, some would call this as being in "the zone" in sports, running, etc. I am a (former) ice hockey player and snow skier...Yes, the rush, the flow (rhythm) of skates on ice or skis on snow...Other hockey players and skiers will "get this" others may not...Cheers.
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Post by: Hula Hoop on May 16, 2018, 12:27:51 PM
I don't get tattoos.

They're expensive, and almost guaranteed to create buyer's remorse at some point in the future. If they're visible, they can affect one's career path due to other's subconscious biases. And of course there is still the risk of contracting hepatitis C from getting one, although I believe this has been greatly reduced recent years.


Ditto.

And why are most of them ugly?
Same here tattoos.  Most are hideous and even the non-hideous ones become hideous after 10+ years.  Also I can't imagine choosing something now and then having to 'wear' it forever.  I look back on my fashion sense 20 years ago and cringe.  Lucky I didn't get a tattoo.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: DrumAllDay on May 16, 2018, 12:51:56 PM
Luxury pick-up trucks. I don't really get luxury vehicles in general but especially when they are giant pick-up trucks hauling nothing but themselves; an urban cowboy/girl in their business suite commuting to work driving like a jack ass, thinking they own the road.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: simonsez on May 16, 2018, 01:56:32 PM
Expensive paintings (for simplicity, let's say anything 7 figures or higher), especially Mark Rothko and Jackson Pollock artwork and the value some of their pieces* fetch.

*- Their individual bios are interesting, as I think are most that devote themselves to art's various forms - but 3 different colors with horizontal lines or some paint dripped shouldn't be worth 9 figures.  And I don't blame Rothko or Pollock, it's not them driving their own prices up directly.

If a painting really moves you, buy the poster and have it framed for less than $200.  Save the millions for additional enterprises or charity/scientific development.  If it's an ego thing, they'll name a wing after you (side note, I LOVE the "The Anonymous Donor" episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, classic!).

At least with a pissing contest for the nicest house, boat, car, clothing, etc. - all of those things have tangible function provided you live in it or drive it or wear it.
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Post by: Scandium on May 16, 2018, 02:07:46 PM
Home sapiens evolved to be runners. We aren't fast, or camouflaged, or secrete poison. But we are evolved to run for a long time at long distanced. So when we were chasing down that antelope on the savanna, it ran faster but eventually tired and we would come along and catch it

I just finished reading Born to Run, which you've basically summed up here. I never "got" running either, until I started doing it this year. I get it now. I used to mostly get into the "flow" state that Anna describes by cross stitching, but I get it from running too. If you'd told me six months ago that I would be planning to run a half marathon in a couple weeks and feeling pretty good about it, I never would have believed it. My brother does ultras and I'm intrigued...

"Runners live longer, but by less than the time spent running. So they really have to love running"

[some doctor]
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Dicey on May 16, 2018, 02:51:53 PM
I don't get tattoos.

They're expensive, and almost guaranteed to create buyer's remorse at some point in the future. If they're visible, they can affect one's career path due to other's subconscious biases. And of course there is still the risk of contracting hepatitis C from getting one, although I believe this has been greatly reduced recent years.
Ditto.

And why are most of them ugly?
Same here tattoos.  Most are hideous and even the non-hideous ones become hideous after 10+ years.  Also I can't imagine choosing something now and then having to 'wear' it forever.  I look back on my fashion sense 20 years ago and cringe.  Lucky I didn't get a tattoo.
I once saw a very pregnant young woman in a store. She had a strand of bright green ivy tattooed all the way around her belly and was wearing a crop top to show it off. I couldn't help but wonder if she'd actually had it done while pregnant, and what those vines were going to look like post baby or after possible future babies. It was so weird and it must have been expensive. I had to bite my tongue and just walk in another direction. The tattoo actually wasn't ugly but it didn't look like it would stand the test of time.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: mm1970 on May 16, 2018, 04:56:50 PM
Agree with the running conversation that is happening.

I used to have a lot of problems running. That was because I thought I could just go run and I'd get better at it. That wasn't the case. Even though I was athletic (soccer, skiing, hockey, etc) none really set the stage for long distance running. I always like low profile shoes, so the Born to Run theory worked for me as well.

Seeing a PT, learning where I was weak - working on some specialized exercises, getting a run gait analysis, and working on it made me a decent long distance runner. I did my first marathon on a very challenging course in 4:10 last year. This year I'm aiming to break 4 which shouldn't be hard considering I picked a flat course.


But back on topic:
I don't get fancy purses. I'm on other boards where women will literally be gleeful that a bag is on sale from 3k down to 2k. What?? I just don't understand. These are not heirlooms. These are leather bags that get dirty, sit on the floor, have crayons and lipstick in them, etc.

I ran my first 2 half marathons 8-9 years ago.  I'm short and stocky and not "built" for running.  I got injured but managed a 10:00 pace for the second one.  But the injuries sidelined me for years.

So I started running again a couple of years ago.  I've done 3 more half marathons (though I kinda think I'm done.  I'm almost 48, and I'm not built for running, and 13 miles is too. effing. long.) I started working with a running coach last year, and I've found that with exercises to build my hip and core, and work on my turnover and stride (more turnover, shorter stride), that I'm running without injury.

Of course, I'm running a lot slower.  I was thrilled to beat 2:30 on my half last weekend, didn't think it was even possible - not close to my PR and slower than even my first half.
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Post by: pbkmaine on May 16, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
I don't get tattoos.

They're expensive, and almost guaranteed to create buyer's remorse at some point in the future. If they're visible, they can affect one's career path due to other's subconscious biases. And of course there is still the risk of contracting hepatitis C from getting one, although I believe this has been greatly reduced recent years.


Ditto.

And why are most of them ugly?
Same here tattoos.  Most are hideous and even the non-hideous ones become hideous after 10+ years.  Also I can't imagine choosing something now and then having to 'wear' it forever.  I look back on my fashion sense 20 years ago and cringe.  Lucky I didn't get a tattoo.

I don’t generally like tattoos, but one of my sorority sisters got a lovely floral design across her reconstructed breast after cancer surgery. Completely covers the scars and looks great. Makes her feel edgy and beautiful, too.
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Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 17, 2018, 12:16:46 AM
35-40 year old men playing video games for hours...Don't get it, I have never been a gamer, however most of my nephews are. I really feel bad for the wives and the kids, unless they are spending time with them playing together? I would rather be on the beach, out on the water, or in the mountains. Generational thing I guess.

Related...Movies that all look the same to me. Most seem to look like one big video game...?

Reality T.V. What a waste of time.

Gaming puts you in a flow state. People enjoy flow state. You can get it from exercise, work, anything really. That's why gaming is behaviourally addictive. It's kind of sad that some people haven't found another activity that puts them in a flow state, though. Most people have several, and a bit more productive ones than gaming. Although I qualify that by saying that I really enjoy gaming! I'm a grownup, however, so I prioritise work and family over bloody gaming.

Anna, actually thanks for your follow-up post. No one has explained this to me as a non-gamer quite the way you did. I too see this as very addictive and that is why I may be too critical towards the amount of time spent playing...

I DO get "the flow" that you speak of, some would call this as being in "the zone" in sports, running, etc. I am a (former) ice hockey player and snow skier...Yes, the rush, the flow (rhythm) of skates on ice or skis on snow...Other hockey players and skiers will "get this" others may not...Cheers.

Gaming suffers from a weird bias. I mean, reading is just as solitary, inactive, pointless and escapist, but if you spend all day reading you won't get the same response from people as you do talking about gaming. Meh, I say people should just enjoy what they enjoy.
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Post by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on May 17, 2018, 12:21:49 AM
Running. Not good for the body. I am 61 and all my runner friends are having joints replaced. Cut it out, people.
Previous research I've done on this didn't seem to indicate that was true and that running can actually strengthen joints.  Having said that, I haven't done much running in in the last 15 years.

Home sapiens evolved to be runners. We aren't fast, or camouflaged, or secrete poison. But we are evolved to run for a long time at long distanced. So when we were chasing down that antelope on the savanna, it ran faster but eventually tired and we would come along and catch it

We did not evolve to run antelope down. That antelope would be so far ahead of you, it's forgotten you exist. We evolved to solve problems and make things like traps - even as simple a trap as herding those antelope off a cliff. And then we problem solved by learning to dry and preserve meat. We can process cause and effect, we can imagine things that don't currently exist and we can imagine future events. That's our talent. We are problem solvers.
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Post by: runbikerun on May 17, 2018, 12:58:43 AM
We absolutely did evolve to run down antelope: humans are absolute garbage at every aspect of physical prowess except distance running. A human in good condition and hot weather can cover more distance in a day than any other land animal. We're hairless and sweaty because it lets us cool more effectively than other animals, and our stride when running is fabulously economical. Other animals are faster over short distances, but we are the kings and queens of endurance. An antelope can put several hundred metres between it and a human, but not every ninety seconds: eventually its body gives up and it's caught.

We are the remorseless, unstoppable horror film monsters of the animal kingdom.
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Post by: runbikerun on May 17, 2018, 01:08:40 AM
There's actually a hypothesis that our intelligence was an evolutionary side effect: switching to a vertical stance for running meant we ended up with babies born very early in gestation compared to other primates' gestation periods. Because human babies were so comparatively helpless from the start, selecting the right mate became crucial to maximise the chances of reproductive success, and so intelligence emerged as a way of spotting the right long term partner.
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Post by: Rightflyer on May 17, 2018, 02:55:45 AM
We absolutely did evolve to run down antelope: humans are absolute garbage at every aspect of physical prowess except distance running. A human in good condition and hot weather can cover more distance in a day than any other land animal. We're hairless and sweaty because it lets us cool more effectively than other animals, and our stride when running is fabulously economical. Other animals are faster over short distances, but we are the kings and queens of endurance. An antelope can put several hundred metres between it and a human, but not every ninety seconds: eventually its body gives up and it's caught.

We are the remorseless, unstoppable horror film monsters of the animal kingdom.

...Along with wolves. Which may go some way to explaining our affinity with them (and their descendants).
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Post by: MrThatsDifferent on May 17, 2018, 04:24:39 AM
People who have their heads stuck in smartphones while walking across the street! I donít get it!
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Post by: GreenEggs on May 17, 2018, 05:20:57 AM
I don't think anybody's mentioned vaping yet.  I think there are almost as many vape shops around here as mattress stores.  Btw, are mattress stores a front for something?  How many mattresses do they really sell?  "Something" has to be going on, right?

Getting back to vaping, what's the huge puff of smoke that we see pouring out of cars & from dudes vaping down the sidewalks?  It looks like something from a cartoon.  Is it steam or something?  Sure doesn't "look" like a healthy alternative to smoking.

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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 17, 2018, 05:27:57 AM

Speaking of video gaming, I don't get "watching" other people play video games.  When I was younger, I always hated that part and couldn't wait until it was my turn to play again.  But now, "watching" is a thing.
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Post by: Sojourner on May 17, 2018, 06:29:17 AM
Coincidentally, I was contacted by a sibling last evening, asking if I knew of any job their son could do.  His gaming thing is getting out of hand and all he seems to want, when he's not being kept busy with something else, is park himself in front of the computer with earphones and smack those buttons...for crazy amounts of hours.

I fear this sort of thing is not uncommon.  I'd rather see him running down antelope or pretty much anything else that's even slightly more productive.
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Post by: mak1277 on May 17, 2018, 06:44:37 AM
We absolutely did evolve to run down antelope: humans are absolute garbage at every aspect of physical prowess except distance running. A human in good condition and hot weather can cover more distance in a day than any other land animal. We're hairless and sweaty because it lets us cool more effectively than other animals, and our stride when running is fabulously economical. Other animals are faster over short distances, but we are the kings and queens of endurance. An antelope can put several hundred metres between it and a human, but not every ninety seconds: eventually its body gives up and it's caught.

We are the remorseless, unstoppable horror film monsters of the animal kingdom.

I'm not well-enough educated on the subject to say whether this is true or not.  What I *do* know, is that I'm thankful I can walk, at any pace I choose, into a grocery store and buy a steak.  Running may be in our evolutionary history, but that doesn't mean we have to play ball.  We're beyond that now.
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Post by: ketchup on May 17, 2018, 08:23:43 AM
I think there are almost as many vape shops around here as mattress stores.  Btw, are mattress stores a front for something?  How many mattresses do they really sell?  "Something" has to be going on, right?
I really don't get this one.  Last year I walked past a Mattress Firm across the street from .... a Mattress Firm.  I did a double-take.

Vape shops at least make a little sense (people have to keep buying the consumables) but the ubiquity of mattress stores is just bizarre.  Aren't all the best/best value mattresses online now anyway?  I'm not super educated on the market, as we bought our mattress used about five years ago.
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Post by: slappy on May 17, 2018, 08:36:51 AM
Coincidentally, I was contacted by a sibling last evening, asking if I knew of any job their son could do.  His gaming thing is getting out of hand and all he seems to want, when he's not being kept busy with something else, is park himself in front of the computer with earphones and smack those buttons...for crazy amounts of hours.

I fear this sort of thing is not uncommon.  I'd rather see him running down antelope or pretty much anything else that's even slightly more productive.

My brother was like this. He ended up at the local recruiter's office. Now he flies Blackhawks.
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Post by: honeybbq on May 17, 2018, 10:05:20 AM
Agree with the running conversation that is happening.

I used to have a lot of problems running. That was because I thought I could just go run and I'd get better at it. That wasn't the case. Even though I was athletic (soccer, skiing, hockey, etc) none really set the stage for long distance running. I always like low profile shoes, so the Born to Run theory worked for me as well.

Seeing a PT, learning where I was weak - working on some specialized exercises, getting a run gait analysis, and working on it made me a decent long distance runner. I did my first marathon on a very challenging course in 4:10 last year. This year I'm aiming to break 4 which shouldn't be hard considering I picked a flat course.


But back on topic:
I don't get fancy purses. I'm on other boards where women will literally be gleeful that a bag is on sale from 3k down to 2k. What?? I just don't understand. These are not heirlooms. These are leather bags that get dirty, sit on the floor, have crayons and lipstick in them, etc.

I ran my first 2 half marathons 8-9 years ago.  I'm short and stocky and not "built" for running.  I got injured but managed a 10:00 pace for the second one.  But the injuries sidelined me for years.

So I started running again a couple of years ago.  I've done 3 more half marathons (though I kinda think I'm done.  I'm almost 48, and I'm not built for running, and 13 miles is too. effing. long.) I started working with a running coach last year, and I've found that with exercises to build my hip and core, and work on my turnover and stride (more turnover, shorter stride), that I'm running without injury.

Of course, I'm running a lot slower.  I was thrilled to beat 2:30 on my half last weekend, didn't think it was even possible - not close to my PR and slower than even my first half.

Good job! I know we all focus on speed and times, but there is a lot of good things happening even when you aren't chasing a PR.

In one of my running magazines, there was an article about how 5ks and 10ks are a great distance for "non" runners, if you will. It gets you off the couch enough to keep you in shape, doesn't take you away from your family for too long, and you still get benefits of being active without as much risk for injury. 20 minutes a night is what my PT said, to keep those stabilization and minor muscles strong enough to keep you running without pain.

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Post by: Schaefer Light on May 17, 2018, 10:27:01 AM
People who have their heads stuck in smartphones while walking across the street! I donít get it!
Natural selection may eventually take care of that ;).  Couldn't resist with the evolutionary posts just above yours.
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Post by: I'm a red panda on May 17, 2018, 10:34:27 AM

Speaking of video gaming, I don't get "watching" other people play video games.  When I was younger, I always hated that part and couldn't wait until it was my turn to play again.  But now, "watching" is a thing.

I don't watch gaming on youtube, but when I was a kid there was one ninetndo for a neighborhood group of 8 kids. I wasn't one of the oldest, nor one of the owners, so I never got to play- I watched. Now as an adult, I prefer to spend time with my husband watching him play than play myself. 
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Post by: Travis on May 17, 2018, 10:48:27 AM
People who have their heads stuck in smartphones while walking across the street! I donít get it!
Natural selection may eventually take care of that ;).  Couldn't resist with the evolutionary posts just above yours.

Between staring at smartphones or living with earbuds jammed in, I'm amazed the streets aren't littered with bodies of the mugged and vehicular manslaughters.  There is a 50 yard stretch of my bicycle commute that I must be on the sidewalk.  It is narrow and often has one or two pedestrians that I overtake from behind. I will shout "excuse me!" at a volume that would be considered rude and aggressive, but if they're "plugged in" they don't notice me at all. I'll shout this from 5 feet away without them flinching. Yesterday a guy who was paying attention nearly jumped out of his shoes and I had to explain why I was so loud.
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 17, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
Bottled water (when tap water is typically better quality).  Swiffers (instead of a mop/broom).  Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).  Car alarms (when left to go off on a near daily basis, how effective do you really believe that they are?).  Tying your self worth/feelings of masculinity to the vehicle you drive.  Not paying off a credit card each month.

WTF people, you can do better!
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Post by: slackmax on May 17, 2018, 12:50:41 PM
I don't get why people remodel a perfectly good kitchen, etc. just because they are tired of the old stuff, which functions perfectly well, and can anyone really give a **** what kind of countertop you have???  I would possibly get it if it weren't so outrageously expensive. I would possibly get it if you are addicted to carpentry and you want it to be a DIY project.     
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Post by: driftwood on May 17, 2018, 12:55:38 PM
Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).

If you live where you need to clear debris like leaves from gravelly areas, the leaf blower is a hugely valuable tool.  The rake takes the rocks along with the leaves. Also really efficient way of getting leaves and other kind of debris in one place to be picked/scooped up for disposal, especially on large properties and parking lots. I don't know enough about grass to say definitively, but it's probably also better for the yard plants than a rake would be. When I've raked lawns I end up taking a large portion of the grass with the leaves. It's one of the few powered tools where I begrudgingly recognize their value.
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Post by: Curmudgeon on May 17, 2018, 01:43:12 PM
Similar to what someone else said, but... I don't get people who go camping, but bring along their stereos, TVs with satellite dish, microwave, A/C etc.  And then, leave the area trashed when they go.  If you want all the comforts of home, why not stay home?  If you enjoy the beauty of the outdoors, why do you leave all your trash behind?
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 17, 2018, 01:57:02 PM
Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).

If you live where you need to clear debris like leaves from gravelly areas, the leaf blower is a hugely valuable tool.  The rake takes the rocks along with the leaves. Also really efficient way of getting leaves and other kind of debris in one place to be picked/scooped up for disposal, especially on large properties and parking lots. I don't know enough about grass to say definitively, but it's probably also better for the yard plants than a rake would be. When I've raked lawns I end up taking a large portion of the grass with the leaves. It's one of the few powered tools where I begrudgingly recognize their value.

Truth be told, I'm not entirely convinced there's much reason to rake leaves ever.  Why waste so much of your life trying to prevent leaves from doing what they're designed to do by nature?  If you hate seeing leaves on a lawn, cut down all the nearby trees.  (Not sure why anyone would be hellbent on raking gravel either.)

:P
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Post by: Zikoris on May 17, 2018, 03:38:22 PM
I like watching my boyfriend play video games because I can tell him what to do :) I don't have the reflexes to play most action games myself (though more and more companies are implementing "story mode" or "super duper easy mode" for people like me), but I'm really good at figuring out puzzles and maps and stuff. My boyfriend is awful at that stuff - I think he's gotten lost in pretty much every game he's ever played alone until I rescue him. But he has good reflexes and doesn't get killed constantly, unlike me. So it turns into a bit of a joint effort.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 17, 2018, 06:34:15 PM
I like watching my boyfriend play video games because I can tell him what to do :) I don't have the reflexes to play most action games myself (though more and more companies are implementing "story mode" or "super duper easy mode" for people like me), but I'm really good at figuring out puzzles and maps and stuff. My boyfriend is awful at that stuff - I think he's gotten lost in pretty much every game he's ever played alone until I rescue him. But he has good reflexes and doesn't get killed constantly, unlike me. So it turns into a bit of a joint effort.

That makes sense.  I was actually thinking about the people who make big money on youtube with videos of playing video games because of the people who enjoy watching - there's no engagement at all in those cases.
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Post by: Dave1442397 on May 17, 2018, 06:41:20 PM
Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).

If you live where you need to clear debris like leaves from gravelly areas, the leaf blower is a hugely valuable tool.  The rake takes the rocks along with the leaves. Also really efficient way of getting leaves and other kind of debris in one place to be picked/scooped up for disposal, especially on large properties and parking lots. I don't know enough about grass to say definitively, but it's probably also better for the yard plants than a rake would be. When I've raked lawns I end up taking a large portion of the grass with the leaves. It's one of the few powered tools where I begrudgingly recognize their value.

Truth be told, I'm not entirely convinced there's much reason to rake leaves ever.  Why waste so much of your life trying to prevent leaves from doing what they're designed to do by nature?  If you hate seeing leaves on a lawn, cut down all the nearby trees.  (Not sure why anyone would be hellbent on raking gravel either.)

:P

It takes me a good 16 hours to blow leaves every year (I usually do it twice, 8 hours each time). That's just the front yard and maybe an 8 foot swathe around the house. I do the front because it looks like crap with leaves all over, plus they mostly blow down the driveway and into the garage if I don't take care of them. I blow them away from the foundation around the house to avoid trapping water all winter. I leave the back yard alone, so the leaves do their thing and disappear around this time of the year.

We tried raking leaves the first year we lived here, and after spending a weekend without making an appreciable difference, I bought a RedMax EB7001, which has served faithfully for the past 16 years.
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Post by: Rightflyer on May 18, 2018, 12:44:34 AM
Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).

If you live where you need to clear debris like leaves from gravelly areas, the leaf blower is a hugely valuable tool.  The rake takes the rocks along with the leaves. Also really efficient way of getting leaves and other kind of debris in one place to be picked/scooped up for disposal, especially on large properties and parking lots. I don't know enough about grass to say definitively, but it's probably also better for the yard plants than a rake would be. When I've raked lawns I end up taking a large portion of the grass with the leaves. It's one of the few powered tools where I begrudgingly recognize their value.

Truth be told, I'm not entirely convinced there's much reason to rake leaves ever.  Why waste so much of your life trying to prevent leaves from doing what they're designed to do by nature?  If you hate seeing leaves on a lawn, cut down all the nearby trees.  (Not sure why anyone would be hellbent on raking gravel either.)

:P

It takes me a good 16 hours to blow leaves every year (I usually do it twice, 8 hours each time). That's just the front yard and maybe an 8 foot swathe around the house. I do the front because it looks like crap with leaves all over, plus they mostly blow down the driveway and into the garage if I don't take care of them. I blow them away from the foundation around the house to avoid trapping water all winter. I leave the back yard alone, so the leaves do their thing and disappear around this time of the year.

We tried raking leaves the first year we lived here, and after spending a weekend without making an appreciable difference, I bought a RedMax EB7001, which has served faithfully for the past 16 years.

Your neighbours must love you.
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Post by: Dave1442397 on May 18, 2018, 05:07:27 AM
Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).

If you live where you need to clear debris like leaves from gravelly areas, the leaf blower is a hugely valuable tool.  The rake takes the rocks along with the leaves. Also really efficient way of getting leaves and other kind of debris in one place to be picked/scooped up for disposal, especially on large properties and parking lots. I don't know enough about grass to say definitively, but it's probably also better for the yard plants than a rake would be. When I've raked lawns I end up taking a large portion of the grass with the leaves. It's one of the few powered tools where I begrudgingly recognize their value.

Truth be told, I'm not entirely convinced there's much reason to rake leaves ever.  Why waste so much of your life trying to prevent leaves from doing what they're designed to do by nature?  If you hate seeing leaves on a lawn, cut down all the nearby trees.  (Not sure why anyone would be hellbent on raking gravel either.)

:P

It takes me a good 16 hours to blow leaves every year (I usually do it twice, 8 hours each time). That's just the front yard and maybe an 8 foot swathe around the house. I do the front because it looks like crap with leaves all over, plus they mostly blow down the driveway and into the garage if I don't take care of them. I blow them away from the foundation around the house to avoid trapping water all winter. I leave the back yard alone, so the leaves do their thing and disappear around this time of the year.

We tried raking leaves the first year we lived here, and after spending a weekend without making an appreciable difference, I bought a RedMax EB7001, which has served faithfully for the past 16 years.

Your neighbours must love you.

My neighbors have just as many leaves, and both next door neighbors also use backpack blowers. When you live in a 60-year-old development with this many trees, you're going to hear plenty of yard equipment in the fall. I must have well over 100 trees on my property alone.
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Post by: somers515 on May 18, 2018, 05:13:33 AM
Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).

If you live where you need to clear debris like leaves from gravelly areas, the leaf blower is a hugely valuable tool.  The rake takes the rocks along with the leaves. Also really efficient way of getting leaves and other kind of debris in one place to be picked/scooped up for disposal, especially on large properties and parking lots. I don't know enough about grass to say definitively, but it's probably also better for the yard plants than a rake would be. When I've raked lawns I end up taking a large portion of the grass with the leaves. It's one of the few powered tools where I begrudgingly recognize their value.

Truth be told, I'm not entirely convinced there's much reason to rake leaves ever.  Why waste so much of your life trying to prevent leaves from doing what they're designed to do by nature?  If you hate seeing leaves on a lawn, cut down all the nearby trees.  (Not sure why anyone would be hellbent on raking gravel either.)

:P

It takes me a good 16 hours to blow leaves every year (I usually do it twice, 8 hours each time). That's just the front yard and maybe an 8 foot swathe around the house. I do the front because it looks like crap with leaves all over, plus they mostly blow down the driveway and into the garage if I don't take care of them. I blow them away from the foundation around the house to avoid trapping water all winter. I leave the back yard alone, so the leaves do their thing and disappear around this time of the year.

We tried raking leaves the first year we lived here, and after spending a weekend without making an appreciable difference, I bought a RedMax EB7001, which has served faithfully for the past 16 years.

Your neighbours must love you.

My neighbors have just as many leaves, and both next door neighbors also use backpack blowers. When you live in a 60-year-old development with this many trees, you're going to hear plenty of yard equipment in the fall. I must have well over 100 trees on my property alone.

Sounds like someone should spend less time blowing leaves and more time reading MMM: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/12/05/muscle-over-motor/
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Post by: Dave1442397 on May 18, 2018, 07:06:24 AM
Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).

If you live where you need to clear debris like leaves from gravelly areas, the leaf blower is a hugely valuable tool.  The rake takes the rocks along with the leaves. Also really efficient way of getting leaves and other kind of debris in one place to be picked/scooped up for disposal, especially on large properties and parking lots. I don't know enough about grass to say definitively, but it's probably also better for the yard plants than a rake would be. When I've raked lawns I end up taking a large portion of the grass with the leaves. It's one of the few powered tools where I begrudgingly recognize their value.

Truth be told, I'm not entirely convinced there's much reason to rake leaves ever.  Why waste so much of your life trying to prevent leaves from doing what they're designed to do by nature?  If you hate seeing leaves on a lawn, cut down all the nearby trees.  (Not sure why anyone would be hellbent on raking gravel either.)

:P

It takes me a good 16 hours to blow leaves every year (I usually do it twice, 8 hours each time). That's just the front yard and maybe an 8 foot swathe around the house. I do the front because it looks like crap with leaves all over, plus they mostly blow down the driveway and into the garage if I don't take care of them. I blow them away from the foundation around the house to avoid trapping water all winter. I leave the back yard alone, so the leaves do their thing and disappear around this time of the year.

We tried raking leaves the first year we lived here, and after spending a weekend without making an appreciable difference, I bought a RedMax EB7001, which has served faithfully for the past 16 years.

Your neighbours must love you.

My neighbors have just as many leaves, and both next door neighbors also use backpack blowers. When you live in a 60-year-old development with this many trees, you're going to hear plenty of yard equipment in the fall. I must have well over 100 trees on my property alone.

Sounds like someone should spend less time blowing leaves and more time reading MMM: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/12/05/muscle-over-motor/

Mmm, nope. I'm not wasting 80+ hours raking leaves. I can ride my bike 1600 miles in 80 hours - that['s my exercise.
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Post by: dignam on May 18, 2018, 07:25:19 AM
35-40 year old men playing video games for hours...Don't get it, I have never been a gamer, however most of my nephews are. I really feel bad for the wives and the kids, unless they are spending time with them playing together? I would rather be on the beach, out on the water, or in the mountains. Generational thing I guess.

Related...Movies that all look the same to me. Most seem to look like one big video game...?

Reality T.V. What a waste of time.

Gaming puts you in a flow state. People enjoy flow state. You can get it from exercise, work, anything really. That's why gaming is behaviourally addictive. It's kind of sad that some people haven't found another activity that puts them in a flow state, though. Most people have several, and a bit more productive ones than gaming. Although I qualify that by saying that I really enjoy gaming! I'm a grownup, however, so I prioritise work and family over bloody gaming.

Anna, actually thanks for your follow-up post. No one has explained this to me as a non-gamer quite the way you did. I too see this as very addictive and that is why I may be too critical towards the amount of time spent playing...

I DO get "the flow" that you speak of, some would call this as being in "the zone" in sports, running, etc. I am a (former) ice hockey player and snow skier...Yes, the rush, the flow (rhythm) of skates on ice or skis on snow...Other hockey players and skiers will "get this" others may not...Cheers.

Gaming suffers from a weird bias. I mean, reading is just as solitary, inactive, pointless and escapist, but if you spend all day reading you won't get the same response from people as you do talking about gaming. Meh, I say people should just enjoy what they enjoy.

This.  There is a stigma applied to gamers that should also be applied to people who read all the time.  Hell, even people who watch TV all the time are generally given a pass.  But nope, not gamers.  At least you're actually working toward something/interacting (sometimes even with other people), which you cannot generally say with watching TV.
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Post by: dude on May 18, 2018, 07:38:20 AM
Football...

As in, the game itself? Or the peculiar phenomenon of people gluing themselves to TV sets every fall weekend (the best time of year to be outdoors) to watch the game?

Because the game -- man, I tell you, I loved it more than anything when I was playing it in my youth. It's hard to describe that feeling of walking out onto the field under the lights on a Friday night with everyone cheering, or the high of dominating your opponent in a physical contest of wills, of smashing somebody in the mouth to make that touchdown-saving tackle. It was the greatest feeling in my life, seriously. And I learned a lot about fighting through adversity, teamwork, hard work, showing up on time, commitment, etc, etc. Life lessons that still impact me to this day.

Of course, I get that in today's world with what we now know about CTE and its lasting impacts, it's hard to feel the same way about the game. I probably wouldn't let my kids play if I had kids, and that's hard for me to say, because there was a time in my life when I dreamed of having kids who would be gridiron warriors I could cheer on from the sidelines.

Anyone else here have the same experience?
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Post by: driftwood on May 18, 2018, 07:59:38 AM
Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).

If you live where you need to clear debris like leaves from gravelly areas, the leaf blower is a hugely valuable tool.  The rake takes the rocks along with the leaves. Also really efficient way of getting leaves and other kind of debris in one place to be picked/scooped up for disposal, especially on large properties and parking lots. I don't know enough about grass to say definitively, but it's probably also better for the yard plants than a rake would be. When I've raked lawns I end up taking a large portion of the grass with the leaves. It's one of the few powered tools where I begrudgingly recognize their value.

Truth be told, I'm not entirely convinced there's much reason to rake leaves ever.  Why waste so much of your life trying to prevent leaves from doing what they're designed to do by nature?  If you hate seeing leaves on a lawn, cut down all the nearby trees.  (Not sure why anyone would be hellbent on raking gravel either.)

:P

I don't, anymore. It was a chore I had as a kid and teen, which I did again when I owned my first house, and then again when I rented and was legally responsible to keep the lawn tidy. I don't even 'believe in' grass anymore. Grow a plant to cut the plant, but you can't eat the plant?  Then add threes for shade but they drop leaves to kill the grass and monopolize nutrients for themselves, so you gotta rake up those leaves too, but be careful you don't kill the grass!  You wouldn't want it to die and leave you without mowing responsibilities. Next place I rent yard maintenance will be in the lease as a responsibility of the owner.  I don't give a shit about maintaining a frail, fake ecosystem for a landlord.
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Post by: chloes1 on May 18, 2018, 07:59:58 AM
If you ever figure it out, let me know -- please?

My son would do just that all day if I let him!


I like watching my boyfriend play video games because I can tell him what to do :) I don't have the reflexes to play most action games myself (though more and more companies are implementing "story mode" or "super duper easy mode" for people like me), but I'm really good at figuring out puzzles and maps and stuff. My boyfriend is awful at that stuff - I think he's gotten lost in pretty much every game he's ever played alone until I rescue him. But he has good reflexes and doesn't get killed constantly, unlike me. So it turns into a bit of a joint effort.

That makes sense.  I was actually thinking about the people who make big money on youtube with videos of playing video games because of the people who enjoy watching - there's no engagement at all in those cases.
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Post by: I'm a red panda on May 18, 2018, 08:47:10 AM
Is it any different than watching a TV show really?
Like a cooking show when you have no intention of making the dish yourself?
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Post by: Chris22 on May 18, 2018, 08:56:42 AM
Leaf blowers (when rakes exist).

If you live where you need to clear debris like leaves from gravelly areas, the leaf blower is a hugely valuable tool.  The rake takes the rocks along with the leaves. Also really efficient way of getting leaves and other kind of debris in one place to be picked/scooped up for disposal, especially on large properties and parking lots. I don't know enough about grass to say definitively, but it's probably also better for the yard plants than a rake would be. When I've raked lawns I end up taking a large portion of the grass with the leaves. It's one of the few powered tools where I begrudgingly recognize their value.

Truth be told, I'm not entirely convinced there's much reason to rake leaves ever.  Why waste so much of your life trying to prevent leaves from doing what they're designed to do by nature?  If you hate seeing leaves on a lawn, cut down all the nearby trees.  (Not sure why anyone would be hellbent on raking gravel either.)

:P

I don't, anymore. It was a chore I had as a kid and teen, which I did again when I owned my first house, and then again when I rented and was legally responsible to keep the lawn tidy. I don't even 'believe in' grass anymore. Grow a plant to cut the plant, but you can't eat the plant?  Then add threes for shade but they drop leaves to kill the grass and monopolize nutrients for themselves, so you gotta rake up those leaves too, but be careful you don't kill the grass!  You wouldn't want it to die and leave you without mowing responsibilities. Next place I rent yard maintenance will be in the lease as a responsibility of the owner.  I don't give a shit about maintaining a frail, fake ecosystem for a landlord.

Aside from being aesthetically pleasing to most people, a healthy lawn will keep soil from eroding due to rain and creating runoff, will help absorb water and keep your yard from being a muddy mess, keeps out other invasive weeds, and provides an excellent place to play for kids or for sports for adults. 
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Post by: SachaFiscal on May 18, 2018, 09:10:47 AM
I don't get why people think its okay to put a nice ding in your car door and not even leave a simple note that says "sorry".

Agree.  This just happened to me this morning.  And it was my next door neighbor.  Red car, car door directly in line with the red ding.  Still pondering how to handle this.

I miss the days when people just kept dogs in their backyards and that's where they pooped.  I never sit on grass in public parks anymore because chances are there was poop there.
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Post by: ChpBstrd on May 18, 2018, 10:00:14 AM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.
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Post by: Chris22 on May 18, 2018, 10:06:12 AM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it. 
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Post by: Travis on May 18, 2018, 10:32:09 AM
Is it any different than watching a TV show really?
Like a cooking show when you have no intention of making the dish yourself?

I suppose with a cooking show you might pick up a more real-world applicable skill set in the process. 
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Post by: OtherJen on May 18, 2018, 10:33:19 AM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.
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Post by: Travis on May 18, 2018, 10:34:42 AM
Football...

As in, the game itself? Or the peculiar phenomenon of people gluing themselves to TV sets every fall weekend (the best time of year to be outdoors) to watch the game?

Because the game -- man, I tell you, I loved it more than anything when I was playing it in my youth. It's hard to describe that feeling of walking out onto the field under the lights on a Friday night with everyone cheering, or the high of dominating your opponent in a physical contest of wills, of smashing somebody in the mouth to make that touchdown-saving tackle. It was the greatest feeling in my life, seriously. And I learned a lot about fighting through adversity, teamwork, hard work, showing up on time, commitment, etc, etc. Life lessons that still impact me to this day.

Of course, I get that in today's world with what we now know about CTE and it's lasting impacts, it's hard to feel the same way about the game. I probably wouldn't let my kids play if I had kids, and that's hard for me to say, because there was a time in my life when I dreamed of having kids who would be gridiron warriors I could cheer on from the sidelines.

Anyone else here have the same experience?

Why Americans love football vs other sports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIkqNiBASfI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIkqNiBASfI)
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Post by: RWD on May 18, 2018, 11:54:09 AM
Football...

As in, the game itself? Or the peculiar phenomenon of people gluing themselves to TV sets every fall weekend (the best time of year to be outdoors) to watch the game?

Because the game -- man, I tell you, I loved it more than anything when I was playing it in my youth. It's hard to describe that feeling of walking out onto the field under the lights on a Friday night with everyone cheering, or the high of dominating your opponent in a physical contest of wills, of smashing somebody in the mouth to make that touchdown-saving tackle. It was the greatest feeling in my life, seriously. And I learned a lot about fighting through adversity, teamwork, hard work, showing up on time, commitment, etc, etc. Life lessons that still impact me to this day.

Of course, I get that in today's world with what we now know about CTE and it's lasting impacts, it's hard to feel the same way about the game. I probably wouldn't let my kids play if I had kids, and that's hard for me to say, because there was a time in my life when I dreamed of having kids who would be gridiron warriors I could cheer on from the sidelines.

Anyone else here have the same experience?

I get the appeal of the game itself. I typically enjoy watching it. There's a nice combination of strategy, athleticism, and teamwork. I'm sure it's fun to play too (when you aren't getting injured and CTE). What I don't get is the ridiculous amounts of time and resources that are devoted to the game. The gigantic stadiums, the numerous staff, the paraphernalia, the time spent traveling to games and watching games, etc. Everything is excessive for what boils down to just another competitive sport.
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 18, 2018, 12:26:57 PM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.

I've personally witnessed squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, skunks, deer, a black bear, and a fox defecate in yards I've lived at over the years.  You might be placing unwarranted blame.  :P
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Post by: OtherJen on May 18, 2018, 12:35:48 PM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.

I've personally witnessed squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, skunks, deer, a black bear, and a fox defecate in yards I've lived at over the years.  You might be placing unwarranted blame.  :P

I'm sure it's possible, although the amount and consistency of the shit ruled out the first four, I've never seen a deer or fox in our inner-ring suburban neighborhood (at least not during the last 15 years that we've lived here), and we don't have bears in the area. We do, however, have some neighbors who fail to properly secure their dogs and others who don't clean up droppings on a regular basis. Occam's razor, although I suppose it could also have been cats or other humans.
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Post by: ChpBstrd on May 18, 2018, 12:36:09 PM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.
The interesting thing about lawns is that they compel us to blame other people and animals for the poop rather than the presence of the lawn itself. I.e. we tend to neglect that another solution to the problem (and many other problems) is to not have a lawn, or at least not expect them to be sterile play surfaces and have our day ruined when reality intrudes upon this illusion. Will we end up shaking our fists in the air at the birds dropping poop on our grass? Earthworms are shitting all over the place just beneath the surface. Topsoil itself is composed of decomposing organic matter, including poop. Even blue ribbon lawns are full of bacteria, fungi, molds, alge, viruses, and parasites for various species.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 18, 2018, 12:38:01 PM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.
The interesting thing about lawns is that they compel us to blame other people and animals for the poop rather than the presence of the lawn itself. I.e. we tend to neglect that another solution to the problem (and many other problems) is to not have a lawn, or at least not expect them to be sterile play surfaces and have our day ruined when reality intrudes upon this illusion. Will we end up shaking our fists in the air at the birds dropping poop on our grass? Earthworms are shitting all over the place just beneath the surface. Topsoil itself is composed of decomposing organic matter, including poop. Even blue ribbon lawns are full of bacteria, fungi, molds, alge, viruses, and parasites for various species.

I feel like this is being deliberately obtuse. I live in a community where people are expected to control and clean up after their pets (i.e., the animals for which they have consciously assumed responsibility, not the natural fauna) per city ordinances. If one doesn't want to do that, perhaps one should live elsewhere.
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Post by: Jouer on May 18, 2018, 12:41:05 PM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.
The interesting thing about lawns is that they compel us to blame other people and animals for the poop rather than the presence of the lawn itself. I.e. we tend to neglect that another solution to the problem (and many other problems) is to not have a lawn, or at least not expect them to be sterile play surfaces and have our day ruined when reality intrudes upon this illusion. Will we end up shaking our fists in the air at the birds dropping poop on our grass? Earthworms are shitting all over the place just beneath the surface. Topsoil itself is composed of decomposing organic matter, including poop. Even blue ribbon lawns are full of bacteria, fungi, molds, alge, viruses, and parasites for various species.

The issue with dog poop for me isn't seeing dog poop. It's the people being so inconsiderate that they didn't pick it up when they saw their dog do it. I have a dog. I love dogs. I don't like people who don't clean up their shit. I see it as no different than tossing a cigarette butt or garbage on the ground. Be better than that people, for Christ sakes!
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Post by: Chris22 on May 18, 2018, 12:55:23 PM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.

I've personally witnessed squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, skunks, deer, a black bear, and a fox defecate in yards I've lived at over the years.  You might be placing unwarranted blame.  :P

Which one of those animals takes a dump the size of a large breed dog?  Frankly, the guy up the street with the little schnauzer can let it crap in my yard, I don't really care.  The guy across the street with the husky or the guy down the block with the giant whatever it is?  Please no. 
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Post by: profnot on May 18, 2018, 01:41:42 PM
Re gaming -

There are some VERY funny videos made by women who got fed up with their gamer boyfriends.

In the search area, type Girlfriend smashes Xbox and you'll see lots.

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Post by: GuitarStv on May 18, 2018, 02:02:50 PM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.

I've personally witnessed squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, skunks, deer, a black bear, and a fox defecate in yards I've lived at over the years.  You might be placing unwarranted blame.  :P

Which one of those animals takes a dump the size of a large breed dog?  Frankly, the guy up the street with the little schnauzer can let it crap in my yard, I don't really care.  The guy across the street with the husky or the guy down the block with the giant whatever it is?  Please no.

I remember the bear poop took several shovels to clear.  :P
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 18, 2018, 02:16:43 PM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.
The interesting thing about lawns is that they compel us to blame other people and animals for the poop rather than the presence of the lawn itself. I.e. we tend to neglect that another solution to the problem (and many other problems) is to not have a lawn, or at least not expect them to be sterile play surfaces and have our day ruined when reality intrudes upon this illusion. Will we end up shaking our fists in the air at the birds dropping poop on our grass? Earthworms are shitting all over the place just beneath the surface. Topsoil itself is composed of decomposing organic matter, including poop. Even blue ribbon lawns are full of bacteria, fungi, molds, alge, viruses, and parasites for various species.

I feel like this is being deliberately obtuse. I live in a community where people are expected to control and clean up after their pets (i.e., the animals for which they have consciously assumed responsibility, not the natural fauna) per city ordinances. If one doesn't want to do that, perhaps one should live elsewhere.

I agree.  I'm not getting some of these people who aren't getting.
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Post by: GreenEggs on May 18, 2018, 02:41:43 PM
This thread has turned to shit. 

Come on folks, you've got to have more important things to bitch about than dog poo.  This is like a Southpark episode. 

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Post by: Dicey on May 18, 2018, 08:51:05 PM
Lol, we replaced our lawn with slate chips. Dogs don't poop there any more and our Redwood trees don't kill the grass any more either, for the win. Here's what I don't get: our house is surrounded by Redwoods. Therefore, we are not good candidates for solar technology as it currently exists. WHY do the phone calls from people trying to sell us solar never stop?
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Post by: Sojourner on May 18, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
Lol, we replaced our lawn with slate chips. Dogs don't poop there any more and our Redwood trees don't kill the grass any more either, for the win. Here's what I don't get: our house is surrounded by Redwoods. Therefore, we are not good candidates for solar technology as it currently exists. WHY do the phone calls from people trying to sell us solar never stop?

Wonder what happens in this case to Californians building new buildings where it's now required they install solar.  What if it doesn't make sense in their particular location?
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Post by: Dicey on May 18, 2018, 09:27:39 PM
Lol, we replaced our lawn with slate chips. Dogs don't poop there any more and our Redwood trees don't kill the grass any more either, for the win. Here's what I don't get: our house is surrounded by Redwoods. Therefore, we are not good candidates for solar technology as it currently exists. WHY do the phone calls from people trying to sell us solar never stop?

Wonder what happens in this case to Californians building new buildings where it's now required they install solar.  What if it doesn't make sense in their particular location?
Best guess: New Builds = No Trees Yet. Also, for scratch built projects, they might pay a little more attention to site topography and  building orientation. When it comes to CA building codes, particularly municipal building codes, sense has nothing to do with it. For more on this topic, go see my friend Johnny over at Granola Shotgun. Love that guy! Fair warning: it's a helluva rabbit hole!
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Post by: GreenEggs on May 19, 2018, 09:30:14 AM
Waiters who don't give you all of your change, assuming that you don't care about the coins.  It would be fine if they rounded the bill down in the customers' favor, but they usually round the bill up. 

Also, when did the response to "thank you" become "no problem"?  When I thank a waiter I'd like a "you're welcome" or "it's my pleasure" in reply.  Maybe I'm getting old...

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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 19, 2018, 09:42:36 AM
Waiters who don't give you all of your change, assuming that you don't care about the coins.  It would be fine if they rounded the bill down in the customers' favor, but they usually round the bill up. 

Also, when did the response to "thank you" become "no problem"?  When I thank a waiter I'd like a "you're welcome" or "it's my pleasure" in reply.  Maybe I'm getting old...

Another is, "you bet."  I find myself using "no problem" and "you bet" sometimes.  I don't think about it - it's automatic.
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Post by: Spiffy on May 19, 2018, 07:26:41 PM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?
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Post by: undercover on May 19, 2018, 09:08:16 PM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?

I don't think it's always better...but I do it sometimes because I feel like I'm more mentally aware of my surroundings when I back into a parking spot than when I'm backing out into the aisle when I'm leaving. Not sure which is statistically better in terms of fewer overall accidents but at minimum it's the same amount of effort/damage done. At best it's same effort and maybe slight safer?

It could also be a psychological thing of wanting to tackle a problem as soon as it arrives rather than waiting until you have to.
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Post by: RWD on May 19, 2018, 10:20:38 PM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?

I don't think it's always better...but I do it sometimes because I feel like I'm more mentally aware of my surroundings when I back into a parking spot than when I'm backing out into the aisle when I'm leaving. Not sure which is statistically better in terms of fewer overall accidents but at minimum it's the same amount of effort/damage done. At best it's same effort and maybe slight safer?

It could also be a psychological thing of wanting to tackle a problem as soon as it arrives rather than waiting until you have to.

Yeah, it's a situational awareness thing. When backing into a spot you only have to worry about stationary cars. When backing out it may be difficult to see the other cars moving through the parking lot.
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Post by: Travis on May 19, 2018, 10:20:51 PM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?

I see this a lot with pickup trucks.  I think it has something to do with how the tires are spread out in relation to the rest of the vehicle. it affects the truck's turning ability in such a way that it's easier to back up into a spot and drive out than parking "normally."
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Post by: MrsWolfeRN on May 20, 2018, 06:46:53 AM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?

I see this a lot with pickup trucks.  I think it has something to do with how the tires are spread out in relation to the rest of the vehicle. it affects the truck's turning ability in such a way that it's easier to back up into a spot and drive out than parking "normally."

I think it's a show-off thing. I ask to get out first if I am the passenger and the driver wants to park backwards because it gives me motion sickness.
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Post by: SweetTPie on May 20, 2018, 07:40:30 AM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?

I don't think it's always better...but I do it sometimes because I feel like I'm more mentally aware of my surroundings when I back into a parking spot than when I'm backing out into the aisle when I'm leaving. Not sure which is statistically better in terms of fewer overall accidents but at minimum it's the same amount of effort/damage done. At best it's same effort and maybe slight safer?

It could also be a psychological thing of wanting to tackle a problem as soon as it arrives rather than waiting until you have to.

Yeah, it's a situational awareness thing. When backing into a spot you only have to worry about stationary cars. When backing out it may be difficult to see the other cars moving through the parking lot.

This, plus it can also be a habit.  In some of the areas where I worked, companies would train/require guys driving the company trucks to back into the spots, and so they just got used to doing it.  They were working long hours, so anything to make things safer at the end was a good idea.  Also, I heard that it's easier and faster to GTFO if something goes bad. (Oilfields)
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Post by: PoutineLover on May 20, 2018, 09:01:08 AM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?

I don't think it's always better...but I do it sometimes because I feel like I'm more mentally aware of my surroundings when I back into a parking spot than when I'm backing out into the aisle when I'm leaving. Not sure which is statistically better in terms of fewer overall accidents but at minimum it's the same amount of effort/damage done. At best it's same effort and maybe slight safer?

It could also be a psychological thing of wanting to tackle a problem as soon as it arrives rather than waiting until you have to.

Yeah, it's a situational awareness thing. When backing into a spot you only have to worry about stationary cars. When backing out it may be difficult to see the other cars moving through the parking lot.
This is exactly the reason I always back in instead of out. Unless I can drive through instead.
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Post by: Travis on May 20, 2018, 10:06:21 AM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?

I don't think it's always better...but I do it sometimes because I feel like I'm more mentally aware of my surroundings when I back into a parking spot than when I'm backing out into the aisle when I'm leaving. Not sure which is statistically better in terms of fewer overall accidents but at minimum it's the same amount of effort/damage done. At best it's same effort and maybe slight safer?

It could also be a psychological thing of wanting to tackle a problem as soon as it arrives rather than waiting until you have to.

Yeah, it's a situational awareness thing. When backing into a spot you only have to worry about stationary cars. When backing out it may be difficult to see the other cars moving through the parking lot.

This, plus it can also be a habit.  In some of the areas where I worked, companies would train/require guys driving the company trucks to back into the spots, and so they just got used to doing it.  They were working long hours, so anything to make things safer at the end was a good idea.  Also, I heard that it's easier and faster to GTFO if something goes bad. (Oilfields)

In the military we're trained to back into every parking space, even if we have a trailer.
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Post by: wenchsenior on May 20, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?

I don't think it's always better...but I do it sometimes because I feel like I'm more mentally aware of my surroundings when I back into a parking spot than when I'm backing out into the aisle when I'm leaving. Not sure which is statistically better in terms of fewer overall accidents but at minimum it's the same amount of effort/damage done. At best it's same effort and maybe slight safer?

It could also be a psychological thing of wanting to tackle a problem as soon as it arrives rather than waiting until you have to.

Yeah, it's a situational awareness thing. When backing into a spot you only have to worry about stationary cars. When backing out it may be difficult to see the other cars moving through the parking lot.
This is exactly the reason I always back in instead of out. Unless I can drive through instead.

Yes.  People drive like complete morons in parking lots.  They don't pay attention, they cut across lanes, and they speed. Twice I have seen people drive right over pedestrians in parking lots.  So it is a lot easier to see clearly what is happening with said morons when you back into a slot, and pull out of a slot.  Or, as you said, drive through to an opposite slot, which is my preference.
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Post by: BookLoverL on May 20, 2018, 12:57:36 PM
I like to drive in and back out of parking spaces, but to be fair the car parks I usually frequent aren't really that busy. And if I go to a bigger car park I find a space that I can drive right through. Definitely for me I'd worry far more about backing into the car in the next parking space than I would about failing to notice a car manoeuvring in a nearby section of the car park.
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 20, 2018, 06:50:27 PM
Backing into the place you park is almost always safer.  There's no through traffic to watch out for in the parking spot.

(Of course, the ideal way to park is to drive through a double empty spot.  No backing up involved at all coming or going.)
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Post by: BookLoverL on May 21, 2018, 01:40:15 AM
Well, the places where I don't look for a spot I can drive through are generally places such as my local village hall, where there actually is no traffic unless you happen to be there at the exact moment one of the classes that takes place there lets out.

On another parking-related note, I hate parallel parking and I've forgotten how to do it. I have a very small car and I don't really get how people with giant cars manage to park at all.
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Post by: GreenEggs on May 21, 2018, 04:58:45 AM

On another parking-related note, I hate parallel parking and I've forgotten how to do it. I have a very small car and I don't really get how people with giant cars manage to park at all.


It's probably harder in England because you're steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car and you're also driving on the wrong side of the street.  Oh, and you know that all the cameras are watching you screw it up.  ;) 

I find parallel parking is a bit easier after a few beers, but they don't want us drinking and driving these days.  Damned government takes the fun out'a everything. 
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Post by: goatmom on May 21, 2018, 05:19:43 AM
I don't get gambling.  I've been to Vegas and Atlantic City.  I find it incredibly boring and icky at the same time.
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Post by: NoraLenderbee on May 21, 2018, 02:24:33 PM

Also, when did the response to "thank you" become "no problem"?  When I thank a waiter I'd like a "you're welcome" or "it's my pleasure" in reply.  Maybe I'm getting old...

About 40 years ago, near as I can recall.
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Post by: slappy on May 21, 2018, 02:30:26 PM
Waiters who don't give you all of your change, assuming that you don't care about the coins.  It would be fine if they rounded the bill down in the customers' favor, but they usually round the bill up. 

Also, when did the response to "thank you" become "no problem"?  When I thank a waiter I'd like a "you're welcome" or "it's my pleasure" in reply.  Maybe I'm getting old...

I always say "you're welcome" or "my pleasure", especially when i was a waitress.  My customer service training that me that "no problem" was not a good way to respond. I don't recall the reasoning.
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Post by: Dabnasty on May 21, 2018, 03:00:33 PM
Waiters who don't give you all of your change, assuming that you don't care about the coins.  It would be fine if they rounded the bill down in the customers' favor, but they usually round the bill up. 

Also, when did the response to "thank you" become "no problem"?  When I thank a waiter I'd like a "you're welcome" or "it's my pleasure" in reply.  Maybe I'm getting old...

I always say "you're welcome" or "my pleasure", especially when i was a waitress.  My customer service training that me that "no problem" was not a good way to respond. I don't recall the reasoning.

I've heard it's because it uses negative words. Seems plausible. I still prefer to use "no problem" at work or with people I'm more acquainted with.
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Post by: wageslave23 on May 21, 2018, 03:12:20 PM
Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.

Yes 100X!  I remember in college having nothing to do after 3pm on Friday and people saying lets meetup to pregame at 8pm before going to a party at 9.  Why not start drinking at 3pm, party from 4-9:30, and be home in bed sleeping at 10pm (or having sex, since that was always the goal if rarely achieved).

Even now someone will ask me if I want to go see a band. 
I'm like yeah sounds good what time to they play? 
9pm on Tuesday.
So I'm supposed to dick around for 3 hrs waiting until 9, stay up until 12pm and be miserable the next day just so some people can feel "cool"?  No one lives at home anymore with a curfew, staying out late is not rebellious its just dumb. 
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Post by: Imma on May 21, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
Waiters who don't give you all of your change, assuming that you don't care about the coins.  It would be fine if they rounded the bill down in the customers' favor, but they usually round the bill up. 

Also, when did the response to "thank you" become "no problem"?  When I thank a waiter I'd like a "you're welcome" or "it's my pleasure" in reply.  Maybe I'm getting old...

I always say "you're welcome" or "my pleasure", especially when i was a waitress.  My customer service training that me that "no problem" was not a good way to respond. I don't recall the reasoning.

I was trained to say "at your service" (well, the literal translation of that in my language).  "No problem" is not a good way to respond, because it is obviously no problem for you to help someone when it's your job that you get paid to do. "No problem" sounds like you're doing someone a favour instead of doing your duty.

No problem has taken over in this country too. I'm not really bothered by that particular sentence, but I don't get why so many customer service people are so overly friendly and informal. I always prefer to keep a polite distance when working with clients, both now and back in my customer service days.
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Post by: Xlar on May 21, 2018, 03:22:59 PM
Backing into the place you park is almost always safer.  There's no through traffic to watch out for in the parking spot.

(Of course, the ideal way to park is to drive through a double empty spot.  No backing up involved at all coming or going.)

This is why I always back in as well. It is the same amount of effort but much safer.

When you back in you have driven past the spot and know for sure that there is nothing there. When you pull out you do not need to go very far to see down the lane to see any speeding cars. Plus people (especially children) are obvious in front of you and you will not run them over. Much, much safer for everyone!

Here is an article on the topic: https://www.vox.com/2016/8/1/11926596/safer-back-into-parking-spaces (https://www.vox.com/2016/8/1/11926596/safer-back-into-parking-spaces)
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Post by: Travis on May 21, 2018, 04:18:02 PM
Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.

Yes 100X!  I remember in college having nothing to do after 3pm on Friday and people saying lets meetup to pregame at 8pm before going to a party at 9.  Why not start drinking at 3pm, party from 4-9:30, and be home in bed sleeping at 10pm (or having sex, since that was always the goal if rarely achieved).

Even now someone will ask me if I want to go see a band. 
I'm like yeah sounds good what time to they play? 
9pm on Tuesday.
So I'm supposed to dick around for 3 hrs waiting until 9, stay up until 12pm and be miserable the next day just so some people can feel "cool"?  No one lives at home anymore with a curfew, staying out late is not rebellious its just dumb.

My next door neighbors made it a point to do their heavy drinking on the evening prior to a federal holiday so they could spend their paid day off recovering rather than go back to work with a hangover.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 21, 2018, 04:43:58 PM
Backing into the place you park is almost always safer.  There's no through traffic to watch out for in the parking spot.

(Of course, the ideal way to park is to drive through a double empty spot.  No backing up involved at all coming or going.)

Yes, I have nearly been hit by a few of those idiots coming through a parking spot from the next row over into the spot I'm just turning into that is in MY row of traffic.  I don't get these people.
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Post by: Miss Piggy on May 21, 2018, 06:51:30 PM
Backing into the place you park is almost always safer.  There's no through traffic to watch out for in the parking spot.

(Of course, the ideal way to park is to drive through a double empty spot.
No backing up involved at all coming or going.)

For the life of me, I cannot figure out what you mean here. The two bolded sentences seem to contradict each other to me.

Aside from that, if someone wants to back into a spot, fine...but don't make me wait to get by while it takes you 8 attempts to get it right. (Not you personally, GuitarStv.)
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Post by: Sojourner on May 21, 2018, 07:59:33 PM
Backing into the place you park is almost always safer.  There's no through traffic to watch out for in the parking spot.

(Of course, the ideal way to park is to drive through a double empty spot.
No backing up involved at all coming or going.)

For the life of me, I cannot figure out what you mean here. The two bolded sentences seem to contradict each other to me.

Aside from that, if someone wants to back into a spot, fine...but don't make me wait to get by while it takes you 8 attempts to get it right. (Not you personally, GuitarStv.)

I thought he meant...when someone is facing forward in a parking space (parked normally), when they exit the space they will need to back out semi-blindly into a thru-traffic lane where there are potential hazards such as moving vehicles (also pedestrians/shopping carts).  But if that person instead backs into the space, when he backs into that stall, the stall itself has no traffic he needs to be concerned with (hence, "There's no through traffic to watch out for in the parking spot.")

Ideally, rather than having to back into a parking space, it is far easier if you can simply pull forward into that space from the space that is normally accessed from the next lane over (hence, "double-empty spot").  If that's still not clear, imagine pulling forward into a parking space normally, but then you notice the one immediately in front of you is also empty, so you simply pull forward another 20ft or so into that space instead, so now you are facing forward such that when you exit, you can pull out forward instead of backward.

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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 21, 2018, 08:01:30 PM
Backing into the place you park is almost always safer.  There's no through traffic to watch out for in the parking spot.

(Of course, the ideal way to park is to drive through a double empty spot.
No backing up involved at all coming or going.)

For the life of me, I cannot figure out what you mean here. The two bolded sentences seem to contradict each other to me.

Aside from that, if someone wants to back into a spot, fine...but don't make me wait to get by while it takes you 8 attempts to get it right. (Not you personally, GuitarStv.)

That's the thing.  They are contradictory because they are referring to two different things.  If you back into a parking spot,  and stop to park, you're not driving through it.  If you pull into a parking spot and continue to drive through to the parking spot facing it, then you are facing out of the facing parking spot, which is what I was referring to in my last post.  You wouldn't be able to do that if there were cement dividers between the rows, but we don't have those where I work, so I've had some near accidents due to those people driving through parking spots into parking spots a row over.

Edit:  Sojourner was posting the same time I was - describes it well.
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Post by: Miss Piggy on May 21, 2018, 09:01:41 PM
Backing into the place you park is almost always safer.  There's no through traffic to watch out for in the parking spot.

(Of course, the ideal way to park is to drive through a double empty spot.
No backing up involved at all coming or going.)

For the life of me, I cannot figure out what you mean here. The two bolded sentences seem to contradict each other to me.

Aside from that, if someone wants to back into a spot, fine...but don't make me wait to get by while it takes you 8 attempts to get it right. (Not you personally, GuitarStv.)

I thought he meant...when someone is facing forward in a parking space (parked normally), when they exit the space they will need to back out semi-blindly into a thru-traffic lane where there are potential hazards such as moving vehicles (also pedestrians/shopping carts).  But if that person instead backs into the space, when he backs into that stall, the stall itself has no traffic he needs to be concerned with (hence, "There's no through traffic to watch out for in the parking spot.")

Ideally, rather than having to back into a parking space, it is far easier if you can simply pull forward into that space from the space that is normally accessed from the next lane over (hence, "double-empty spot").  If that's still not clear, imagine pulling forward into a parking space normally, but then you notice the one immediately in front of you is also empty, so you simply pull forward another 20ft or so into that space instead, so now you are facing forward such that when you exit, you can pull out forward instead of backward.

Yes, that explanation makes sense. I was thinking of the "parking" aspect and not the "pulling out to leave" aspect, so the two statements, in that context, were contradictory to me (because the "pulling through to the forward spot" creates "through traffic" and precludes someone else from backing into same spot).
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: dustinst22 on May 21, 2018, 11:42:33 PM
religion
bad music blaring (why do so many people have deplorable taste in music?)
expensive jewelry/watches
trendy clothing
timeshares
people in general
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Nudelkopf on May 22, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
bad music blaring (why do so many people have deplorable taste in music?)
I don't get music at all. Or ipods. Who wants to listen to sounds all the time?? I don't like sounds for no reason.
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Post by: MrsWolfeRN on May 22, 2018, 09:56:41 PM
I sort of get sports but I don't understand how people decide which team to like, especially when choosing a team that isn't the most local for them.  They all seem the same to me.
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Post by: nnls on May 22, 2018, 10:09:49 PM
I sort of get sports but I don't understand how people decide which team to like, especially when choosing a team that isn't the most local for them.  They all seem the same to me.

I chose my team at age 7 based on the fact they had the colour purple as a team colour. My mum and dad both wanted me to choose their team as mine, and up until about 7 I just supported their teams.
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Post by: Bro-mero on May 22, 2018, 11:33:55 PM
bad music blaring (why do so many people have deplorable taste in music?)
I don't get music at all. Or ipods. Who wants to listen to sounds all the time?? I don't like sounds for no reason.

I am quite the opposite. My favorite musical artists have had an incredible impact on my life. I couldn't imagine my life without music
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 22, 2018, 11:57:48 PM
bad music blaring (why do so many people have deplorable taste in music?)
I don't get music at all. Or ipods. Who wants to listen to sounds all the time?? I don't like sounds for no reason.

Oh I love music, growing up playing the piano since I was 4.  Guess I just don't understand bad music, which seems very abundant.  I'm a music snob I guess.
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Post by: SwordGuy on May 23, 2018, 12:30:53 AM
In the military we're trained to back into every parking space, even if we have a trailer.

Was visiting a military installation in my area and drove my sedan behind a pickup truck  into a parking lot.  The pickup truck turned left into the first empty parking spot and I turned right into the first empty spot (which happened to be across from where the truck now was).   I'm not one to dawdle, so I got out of my sedan and started towards the building.

Found out later that driver was mad as hell at me because they were going to back into the spot I used.   I found it out from her husband, whom I knew.

That's how I learned about that custom. :)



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Post by: TartanTallulah on May 23, 2018, 12:43:40 AM

On another parking-related note, I hate parallel parking and I've forgotten how to do it. I have a very small car and I don't really get how people with giant cars manage to park at all.


It's probably harder in England because you're steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car and you're also driving on the wrong side of the street. 

Yes! I once commented to my husband that although I'm not normally skilled at parallel parking I can perform the manoeuvre inch-perfect in my workplace car park, a single line of cars on the right hand side of the driveway. He pointed out the obvious explanation.

Other things I don't get. People evangelising about the merits of slimming diets on which they, personally, appear to be getting fatter and fatter. Reality check, folks. You're not weak, lazy or greedy, the diet sucks.
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Post by: Jouer on May 23, 2018, 07:45:08 AM
bad music blaring (why do so many people have deplorable taste in music?)
I don't get music at all. Or ipods. Who wants to listen to sounds all the time?? I don't like sounds for no reason.

Oh I love music, growing up playing the piano since I was 4.  Guess I just don't understand bad music, which seems very abundant.  I'm a music snob I guess.

Nobody likes music they don't like.  ;-)
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Post by: dude on May 23, 2018, 08:18:00 AM
religion
bad music blaring (why do so many people have deplorable taste in music?)
expensive jewelry/watches
trendy clothing
timeshares
people in general

Good god, timeshares!!  Yes, that is one I'll NEVER get!
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 23, 2018, 08:18:56 AM
bad music blaring (why do so many people have deplorable taste in music?)
I don't get music at all. Or ipods. Who wants to listen to sounds all the time?? I don't like sounds for no reason.

Oh I love music, growing up playing the piano since I was 4.  Guess I just don't understand bad music, which seems very abundant.  I'm a music snob I guess.

I'm not sure that 'bad music' as such really exists.

As a rule, I don't like most modern R&B (classic R&B and funk are fantastic though), an awful lot of rap (although there are certainly some great artists in the field, the genre as a whole doesn't tend to excite me too much), modern country (which seems to be rock with an accent, and maybe a slide guitar in the background), classical, most big band style jazz.  That said, I can almost always find something in a recorded song to focus on that's interesting, well crafted, or just sounds good.  Maybe the drum loop, lyrical rhythm, or samples in a rap song . . . maybe there's a complex build up or nice harmony in a classical tune, maybe the vibrato in the R&B singer's voice is excellent.

Re-listening to things that I loved as a child can be quite eye opening.  Stuff that I didn't really get can open up into a whole new world.  Stuff that I was crazy about can turn out to be kinda hackneyed thirty years later.  There's no bad music, just music that does or doesn't work for you at a particular time in your life.  (This can be frustrating when it seems that few other people listen to the music that most excites you though.)
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Post by: Adam Zapple on May 23, 2018, 08:26:09 AM
I don't get people who park "backwards". How is it better to back up into a tiny parking space than to back out into open space when you are ready to drive away. Do people need to justify their backup cameras? Are you Batman and need to drive away very quickly? Why?

It is much easier to back into a tight parking space than it is to pull in forward.  I can't explain the physics at the moment but it just is.  It also saves you from blindly backing out of a space when you leave after a big SUV or van parks next to you.  I'm always afraid to back over some little kid or something when my view is blocked on both sides and I'm trying to navigate my way out of a space backward.  When you back OUT of a space you need to pull your car like 2/3 or 3/4 of the way out before you have a full view of oncoming cars or pedestrians.  When you back into a space you have a good view of what is behind you because you just surveyed the area as you pulled forward past the space.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 09:18:00 AM


Nobody likes music they don't like.  ;-)

Well yes, but it seems to me that 99% of music is of bad quality, but I'm in bizzarro world where everyone loves this bad stuff.  It's sorta like everyone around me has decided on Wendy's for every meal.  To be fair, I think the same exists in art as well, it's just that people are afraid to call bad art for what it is.  We live in an age where it's looked down upon to judge.
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Post by: Chris22 on May 23, 2018, 09:46:18 AM
I sort of get sports but I don't understand how people decide which team to like, especially when choosing a team that isn't the most local for them.  They all seem the same to me.

Oftentimes it's because they saw something at an impressionable age.  My dad grew up in NOLA, and due to the quirks of broadcasting (and before they had the Saints), they got all of the Green Bay games on TV.  The first game he remembers watching was the Ice Bowl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_NFL_Championship_Game) and he got hooked, was a GB fan ever since. 

Same with me, I was a casual football fan, but my freshman year of college my roommate was a big Patriots fan, and we saw the Cinderella story of Drew Bledsoe going down and Tom Brady stepping up and taking the team to a super bowl win, and it stuck with me and I got bigger into Patriots football (or jumped on the bandwagon, if you like). 

My other sport, college basketball, growing up in CT EVERYONE is a college basketball fan because UCONN has always been so dominant (women) and in the 90s (men), plus Big East basketball is huge, almost like football to the SEC.  Then I ended up going to another Big East school, and obviously then had a connection and have been a huge fan/supporter of my alma mater's team ever since. 
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Post by: Travis on May 23, 2018, 10:35:47 AM
I sort of get sports but I don't understand how people decide which team to like, especially when choosing a team that isn't the most local for them.  They all seem the same to me.

Oftentimes it's because they saw something at an impressionable age.  My dad grew up in NOLA, and due to the quirks of broadcasting (and before they had the Saints), they got all of the Green Bay games on TV.  The first game he remembers watching was the Ice Bowl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_NFL_Championship_Game) and he got hooked, was a GB fan ever since. 

Same with me, I was a casual football fan, but my freshman year of college my roommate was a big Patriots fan, and we saw the Cinderella story of Drew Bledsoe going down and Tom Brady stepping up and taking the team to a super bowl win, and it stuck with me and I got bigger into Patriots football (or jumped on the bandwagon, if you like). 

My other sport, college basketball, growing up in CT EVERYONE is a college basketball fan because UCONN has always been so dominant (women) and in the 90s (men), plus Big East basketball is huge, almost like football to the SEC.  Then I ended up going to another Big East school, and obviously then had a connection and have been a huge fan/supporter of my alma mater's team ever since.

My best friend lives in Sacramento, but likes the Dodgers and the Cowboys.  He has a very loose personal connection to Los Angeles, but absolutely nothing tying him to Texas. Maybe he just likes the color blue?
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Post by: Chris22 on May 23, 2018, 10:54:00 AM
I sort of get sports but I don't understand how people decide which team to like, especially when choosing a team that isn't the most local for them.  They all seem the same to me.

Oftentimes it's because they saw something at an impressionable age.  My dad grew up in NOLA, and due to the quirks of broadcasting (and before they had the Saints), they got all of the Green Bay games on TV.  The first game he remembers watching was the Ice Bowl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_NFL_Championship_Game) and he got hooked, was a GB fan ever since. 

Same with me, I was a casual football fan, but my freshman year of college my roommate was a big Patriots fan, and we saw the Cinderella story of Drew Bledsoe going down and Tom Brady stepping up and taking the team to a super bowl win, and it stuck with me and I got bigger into Patriots football (or jumped on the bandwagon, if you like). 

My other sport, college basketball, growing up in CT EVERYONE is a college basketball fan because UCONN has always been so dominant (women) and in the 90s (men), plus Big East basketball is huge, almost like football to the SEC.  Then I ended up going to another Big East school, and obviously then had a connection and have been a huge fan/supporter of my alma mater's team ever since.

My best friend lives in Sacramento, but likes the Dodgers and the Cowboys.  He has a very loose personal connection to Los Angeles, but absolutely nothing tying him to Texas. Maybe he just likes the color blue?

Who knows?  There's also the key player thing; lots of Bulls fans because they liked Jordan, etc.
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Post by: mak1277 on May 23, 2018, 11:30:00 AM


Nobody likes music they don't like.  ;-)

Well yes, but it seems to me that 99% of music is of bad quality, but I'm in bizzarro world where everyone loves this bad stuff.  It's sorta like everyone around me has decided on Wendy's for every meal.  To be fair, I think the same exists in art as well, it's just that people are afraid to call bad art for what it is.  We live in an age where it's looked down upon to judge.

It's for this reason that I'm happy I know nothing about music.  I have absolutely no ability to judge "good" from "bad".  I can only react to what I like.  I am certain that much/most/all? of what I like might be terrible, but I just don't care.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 23, 2018, 01:11:24 PM


Nobody likes music they don't like.  ;-)

Well yes, but it seems to me that 99% of music is of bad quality, but I'm in bizzarro world where everyone loves this bad stuff.  It's sorta like everyone around me has decided on Wendy's for every meal.  To be fair, I think the same exists in art as well, it's just that people are afraid to call bad art for what it is.  We live in an age where it's looked down upon to judge.

It's for this reason that I'm happy I know nothing about music.  I have absolutely no ability to judge "good" from "bad".  I can only react to what I like.  I am certain that much/most/all? of what I like might be terrible, but I just don't care.

I've been a choral musician for 25 years (including as a founding member of a chamber choir). Music, like all art, is subjective. I know what I like and don't like. Someone else's tastes may be completely opposite from mine. I may not understand WHY someone likes something that I despise, but the music isn't objectively bad just because I don't like it.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 01:25:14 PM
While I agree there is some subjectivity to music and art, there is absolutely a difference between good and bad art/music. The more extreme the difference, the easier it is to tell.  If I draw a little landscape, that art is not as good as an example by Monet.  Even if my mom looks at it and loves it as if it's the best thing ever, it isnít better.  It is worse.  Itís OK for my mom to like it more; that is her subjective opinion.  But it would be silly of her to try to objectively claim it was better.  It isnít.  That is a fact.   I donít know how to draw.  Every technical aspect would be worse.  Every creative aspect would be worse.  Is my mom stupid for liking mine more?  No.  Do I look down on her?  No.  Absolutely not.  And if I write a piece of music with 3 notes, it isn't going to be better than a piece by Mozart.  There is absolutely an objectivity to art and music, and that's why great examples stand the test of time.  Quality art and quality music is recognized regardless of culture or background and is recognized through all ages and holds up regardless of current trends. 
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Post by: OtherJen on May 23, 2018, 01:31:58 PM
While I agree there is some subjectivity to music and art, there is absolutely a difference between good and bad art/music. The more extreme the difference, the easier it is to tell.  If I draw a little cartoon, that cartoon is not as good as a piece by Monet.  Even if my mom looks at it and loves it as if it's the best thing ever, it isnít better.  It is worse.  Itís OK for my mom to like it more; that is her subjective opinion.  But it would be silly of her to try to objectively claim it was better.  It isnít.  That is a fact.   I donít know how to draw.  Every technical aspect would be worse.  Every creative aspect would be worse.  Is my mom stupid for liking mine more?  No.  Do I look down on her?  No.  Absolutely not.  And if I write a piece of music with 3 notes, it isn't going to be better than a piece by Mozart.  There is absolutely an objectivity to art and music, and that's why great examples stand the test of time.

Ah, I didn't know we were comparing kindergarten-level noodling on a piano to the Met opera. I assumed your 99% of "bad" music referred to the music available in concert halls and conservatories and on the radio.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 01:33:36 PM



Ah, I didn't know we were comparing kindergarten-level noodling on a piano to the Met opera. I assumed your 99% of "bad" music referred to the music available in concert halls and conservatories and on the radio.

That's why I said the more extreme the example, the easier it is to tell.  However, even with less drastic comparisons the same holds true.  This also applies to literature and other forms of art.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 23, 2018, 01:36:20 PM



Ah, I didn't know we were comparing kindergarten-level noodling on a piano to the Met opera. I assumed your 99% of "bad" music referred to the music available in concert halls and conservatories and on the radio.

That's why I said the more extreme the example, the easier it is to tell.  However, even with less drastic comparisons the same holds true.  This also applies to literature and other forms of art.

Hmm. I know people who love Vaughn Williams' "A Sea Symphony" but hate Handel's "Messiah". Is one objectively better than the other? Why?

I also know people who love "Jane Eyre" but hate "Wuthering Heights". Again, is one objectively better? Why?
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 01:37:32 PM
I think the true test of art is how well it holds up over very long periods of time (as in centuries) and across all cultures.  Only over time can we really recognize something that's great in my opinion.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 23, 2018, 01:40:18 PM
I think the true test of art is how well it holds up over very long periods of time (as in centuries) and across all cultures.  Only over time can we really recognize something that's great in my opinion.

YMMV, I guess. I'm content to enjoy non-greatness.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 01:40:52 PM
My only point is that it bugs me when people say ďItís all subjective.Ē  No, it isnít.  Your enjoyment is, obviously.  But Iíd like to think real quality art is a bit more than a fleeting ďI like this so that means its good.Ē
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 23, 2018, 01:43:39 PM
Punk music is objectively worse than opera in every measurable way.  The guitarist usually can't play more than a power chord, the singer can't hold a tune, the drummer (while fast) is usually unable to hold a steady beat, and the bass player is barely able to keep up plucking his single notes.  Yet, I'd rather listen to the Ramones than Pavarotti any day of the week. 

Cobain was a terrible guitarist with a mediocre voice . . . but the music he created is still popular, years after his death.  Bob Dylan was a terrible singer.  There's a tremendous amount of good music that's written with just three or four chords.

Technical skill (and virtuosity) is well and good, and can be objectively critiqued . . . but I'm not sure you can say that it makes music 'better'.  Is every classically trained pianist a better performer than every grizzled bluesman who can't even read music?

The more that you go back into the history of music, the more that you see that what we like is largely dependent upon where we grew up and what we're used to hearing.  Chinese opera sounds like cats being tortured to me.  Listening to a sitar is painful.  My background is western music, which follows different tonal rules.

Play someone from the 14th century a rock or blues guitar solo from today and they would likely hate it.  The common minor scale being played over a major progression (and especially bending up to the b5) that blues brought us just wouldn't make sense to their ears because they don't have the cultural context for it.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 23, 2018, 01:45:55 PM
My only point is that it bugs me when people say ďItís all subjective.Ē  No, it isnít.  Your enjoyment is, obviously.  But Iíd like to think real quality art is a bit more than a fleeting ďI like this so that means its good.Ē

Okay. And it bothers me when people declare an extremely high percentage (e.g., 99%) of art to be "bad". Somehow that doesn't seem like an objective assessment.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 01:47:38 PM
My only point is that it bugs me when people say ďItís all subjective.Ē  No, it isnít.  Your enjoyment is, obviously.  But Iíd like to think real quality art is a bit more than a fleeting ďI like this so that means its good.Ē

Okay. And it bothers me when people declare an extremely high percentage (e.g., 99%) of art to be "bad". Somehow that doesn't seem like an objective assessment.

Well thats just my opinion.  I also think most books written are bad.  There is a lot of mediocrity in our world.  My high expectations allow me to enjoy something of real quality more.  By being discerning, I enjoy the good stuff more (just my thing).  Same goes for food.
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Post by: ketchup on May 23, 2018, 01:48:46 PM
My only point is that it bugs me when people say ďItís all subjective.Ē  No, it isnít.  Your enjoyment is, obviously.  But Iíd like to think real quality art is a bit more than a fleeting ďI like this so that means its good.Ē
So far this has consisted of the "Mad Men is better than Jersey Shore" type of comparisons.  What about things that some may consider to otherwise be on the same "level"?  Is Mozart better than Bach?  Who gets to decide?
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Post by: OtherJen on May 23, 2018, 01:51:06 PM
My only point is that it bugs me when people say ďItís all subjective.Ē  No, it isnít.  Your enjoyment is, obviously.  But Iíd like to think real quality art is a bit more than a fleeting ďI like this so that means its good.Ē
So far this has consisted of the "Mad Men is better than Jersey Shore" type of comparisons.  What about things that some may consider to otherwise be on the same "level"?  Is Mozart better than Bach?  Who gets to decide?

Exactly my point, thank you!
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 01:51:52 PM

So far this has consisted of the "Mad Men is better than Jersey Shore" type of comparisons.  What about things that some may consider to otherwise be on the same "level"?  Is Mozart better than Bach?  Who gets to decide?

I don't think it's about who decides which is better.  One is objectively better quality.  Being able to recognize why something is better is the hard part.  In the case of Mozart/Bach, there is no need to compare them as they both produced extremely high quality (and different) works.
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Post by: Dollar Slice on May 23, 2018, 01:56:28 PM
Bob Dylan was a terrible singer.

He still is, last time I checked ;-)

I can't help but think someone who thinks 99% of music is bad doesn't actually like music very much. :-/  Reminds me of my dad, who likes fairly specific categories of classical music and a few show tunes, and thinks most everything else is awful. (P.S. Get off his lawn!)
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 01:58:26 PM


I can't help but think someone who thinks 99% of music is bad doesn't actually like music very much.

Quite the contrary, I LOVE music!  It's a huge part of my life, I grew up in an extremely musical family (we all began learning to play the piano before we could walk).  I also love food, but not bad food which unfortunately there is also a lot of!

I guess I'm just weird, which is why I'm putting this on the "I don't get It" thread.  There are lots of things I don't get that everyone else seems to think is totally normal.  This all explains why I don't relate to most people.
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 23, 2018, 02:02:45 PM
Can you tell me which food is objectively better, sweet or spicy?
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
Can you tell me which food is objectively better, sweet or spicy?

Haha, good one.  I'd say both can be high quality depending on what the food is and the skill level of the chef!
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Post by: ketchup on May 23, 2018, 02:05:42 PM
Can you tell me which food is objectively better, sweet or spicy?

Haha, good one.  I'd say both can be high quality depending on what the food is and the skill level of the chef!
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 02:06:23 PM
Grizzly.  Obviously.
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Post by: Dollar Slice on May 23, 2018, 02:14:06 PM
Polar!

I can't help but think someone who thinks 99% of music is bad doesn't actually like music very much.

Quite the contrary, I LOVE music!  It's a huge part of my life, I grew up in an extremely musical family (we all began learning to play the piano before we could walk).  I also love food, but not bad food which unfortunately there is also a lot of!

I guess I'm just weird, which is why I'm putting this on the "I don't get It" thread.  There are lots of things I don't get that everyone else seems to think is totally normal.  This all explains why I don't relate to most people.

I guess I will put you down as my "I don't get it" then :-)  Maybe there is a better word for what you are, like a "music connoisseur." When I think of people who love something it tends to be a lot more all-encompassing. Like if someone says they love kids, and then says "but 99% of kids are bad" you would find that weird, wouldn't you? Or "I love hiking but 99% of forest trails objectively suck"?

I dunno. I guess we all have internal definitions of words that don't always match other people.


P.S. I think that is the first time in my life I ever spelled "connoisseur" right on my first try. Only took 40 years.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 02:17:18 PM
Like if someone says they love kids, and then says "but 99% of kids are bad" you would find that weird, wouldn't you?



I don't think that's a good example.  I use food as an example.  Is all food good?  Hell no!  Think of how discerning a chef is when it comes to food, only a very small percentage qualifies as really good. But that chef definitely loves food more than most people do!

Really good music (imo) is very difficult to create!  Which is why there is so much bad out there.  Again, just my opinion.

Or someone who enjoys watching high level sports.  They would probably like to watch the best compete rather than low level amateurs.

One of my hobbies is playing tournament-level competitive bridge.  When I was learning the game, I enjoyed playing at the local clubs.  Not so much anymore, because the level of the play is so bad its uninteresting and doesn't provide the intellectual stimulation I'm looking for in competing.  I think this is similar.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 23, 2018, 02:18:24 PM
P.S. I think that is the first time in my life I ever spelled "connoisseur" right on my first try. Only took 40 years.

Congratulations! I'm still working on "maintenance". I'm up to about a 50% correct rate on the first try (for a word that I type out at least once per day). Topic: I don't get why I have so much trouble remembering the correct spelling of that word.
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Post by: Dollar Slice on May 23, 2018, 02:25:41 PM
I don't think that's a good example.  I use food as an example.  Is all food good?  Hell no!  Think of how discerning a chef is when it comes to food, only a very small percentage qualifies as really good. But that chef definitely loves food more than most people do!

Or someone who enjoys watching high level sports.  They would probably like to watch the best compete rather than low level amateurs.

I think it's the exact opposite. I don't really like sports, and the only games I ever watch are the best of the best (Olympics, X Games, World Series, etc.) because I think they're more exciting than regular games. My co-worker who is a superfan of basketball loved watching the NBA, college ball, women's basketball, Olympic basketball, her kid's high school games, etc. etc. My brother, who loves baseball, will go to triple-A games and have a great time. And he'll watch his team play any chance he gets on TV or in person.

I love pizza, and can definitely appreciate the finer points (I've been to Italy and tried different places in Naples etc.) but I also just... love pizza, and will eat it on a weekly basis at a variety of local places. There's a difference between loving food and being a foodie. I bet most chefs will go out and eat greasy fried crap at 3AM after they get off their shift...
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 02:28:43 PM
I bet most chefs will go out and eat greasy fried crap at 3AM after they get off their shift...

Oh they will, but they will go for the good stuff!  I know a couple chefs that love street food in NYC for example.  But they are still discerning about what is good and what isn't.  There is absolutely a quality difference even when it comes to the greasy stuff!  In my opinion this ability to tell the difference in quality is what allows you to enjoy it more!   I'm not looking to just eat anything, I want the good stuff (whether it be street food, or a hole in the wall, Italian, Indian, Sushi, etc).  Bad music grates the ears in a way just like horrible food grates on the tongue.  There is a harmonization that good quality has, and when it isn't there it's like someone scratching a chalk board with their nails.  Just because I don't like Panda Express or KFC doesn't mean I don't love food lol.  And most of the music out there right now, in my opinion, is like KFC and Panda Express -- utter commercialized Justin Bieber type crap, created for the sole purpose of making $ instead of good art.  From my perspective, the person who doesn't love food is the one who will just eat anything.
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 23, 2018, 02:50:54 PM
I bet most chefs will go out and eat greasy fried crap at 3AM after they get off their shift...

Oh they will, but they will go for the good stuff!  I know a couple chefs that love street food in NYC for example.  But they are still discerning about what is good and what isn't.  There is absolutely a quality difference even when it comes to the greasy stuff!  In my opinion this ability to tell the difference in quality is what allows you to enjoy it more!   I'm not looking to just eat anything, I want the good stuff (whether it be street food, or a hole in the wall, Italian, Indian, Sushi, etc).  Bad music grates the ears in a way just like horrible food grates on the tongue.  There is a harmonization that good quality has, and when it isn't there it's like someone scratching a chalk board with their nails.

It's just a difference in outlook maybe.

I've found though, that your mindset can powerfully change the way you experience the same thing.

While I'm not looking to eat crappy food, or listen to crappy music, or view crappy pieces of art.  Yet, I can get as much (or more) enjoyment from a grilled cheese sandwich as much as a truffle stuffed lobster.  I'd even argue that the former with friends will always be better than the latter alone, regardless of quality of preparation.  I try not to create expectations before an experience because they can sometimes get in the way of enjoyment of that experience.  You get too caught up thinking about what something could be and forget to be in the moment and enjoy it for what it is.

Back to your music example, if you're looking for a particular harmonization in music you're going to miss out on rhythmically complex music with little harmonization.  You're going to miss out on music that doesn't fit the western music theory that your ear is used to hearing.  That ends up with you as an ouroboros, constantly chasing your tail in a search for endless sameness . . . which seems kinda miserable to me.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 02:53:21 PM

Back to your music example, if you're looking for a particular harmonization in music you're going to miss out on rhythmically complex music with little harmonization.  You're going to miss out on music that doesn't fit the western music theory that your ear is used to hearing.  That ends up with you as an ouroboros, constantly chasing your tail in a search for endless sameness . . . which seems kinda miserable to me.

Definitely agree it's important to experience different types of music.  And art.  100%.  But even with different types of music/art I think there is a massive difference in quality.  Usually with time the good stuff stands.
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Post by: Proud Foot on May 23, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Can you tell me which food is objectively better, sweet or spicy?

Haha, good one.  I'd say both can be high quality depending on what the food is and the skill level of the chef!
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Grizzly.  Obviously.


False, Black Bear (https://www.quotes.net/show-quote/62027)

On the topic of music, I really do not understand why mumble rap is so poplular. You can barely understand any of the words they are saying and the ones you can understand is because they repeat it over and over again.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 23, 2018, 03:32:27 PM

On the topic of music, I really do not understand why mumble rap is so poplular. You can barely understand any of the words they are saying and the ones you can understand is because they repeat it over and over again.

Canít judge!
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Post by: WranglerBowman on May 23, 2018, 03:49:14 PM
Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.

Amen.  It has to be a group effort though so the parties over at the same time.  I used to start drinking early, thinking I would then be asleep by 9 or 10.  The next morning I would be curious why I'm still tired if I went to sleep around 10...then one of my friends would say "we shut the bar down last night", after going to 3 other bars that I had no recollection of...#earlydrinkingblackout
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Post by: Travis on May 23, 2018, 04:16:41 PM
Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.

Amen.  It has to be a group effort though so the parties over at the same time.  I used to start drinking early, thinking I would then be asleep by 9 or 10.  The next morning I would be curious why I'm still tired if I went to sleep around 10...then one of my friends would say "we shut the bar down last night", after going to 3 other bars that I had no recollection of...#earlydrinkingblackout

I don't get: people who drink to the point of not remembering that night and being proud of it - and wanting to do it again.

I was in my technical school with a guy who could only hold a conversation that consisted of how much he had to drink the night before.  It was obvious he never slept enough and would just blurt out in random conversation that he was going to get lit up again that night.  This was a Monday-Saturday thing.  I was 19, he was 21, and the 30 year old "old men" in our class finally had enough and asked if being drunk and lethargic was his ambition in life since it was all he did or talked about.  Thanksgiving weekend was spent out on the town which (surprise, surprise) he was drunk or asleep for most of it.  I had to drive his date home at the end of the evening because he passed out at 8pm at the party.
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Post by: WranglerBowman on May 23, 2018, 04:19:26 PM
I don't get why just about every neighbor tells you how you should keep your yard/house...if you want to pay my mortgage I'll keep my yard/house any way you want.
I don't get how people can do the exact same routine every...single...day and be perfectly content.
I don't get being overweight and doing nothing about it. 
I don't get 98.32% of people as a whole, they're the absolute worst.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on May 23, 2018, 04:54:55 PM


Nobody likes music they don't like.  ;-)

Well yes, but it seems to me that 99% of music is of bad quality, but I'm in bizzarro world where everyone loves this bad stuff.  It's sorta like everyone around me has decided on Wendy's for every meal.  To be fair, I think the same exists in art as well, it's just that people are afraid to call bad art for what it is.  We live in an age where it's looked down upon to judge.

Yeah, most music is crap that I don't like to listen to, but sometimes you're subjected to it just by being out in public.  It seems like everyone likes to judge and speak out on things, and this forum is a good example.  I definitely don't agree with many opinions expressed here, just as with the greater public.  So I agree with some commenters that I don't get most people in general.
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Post by: MDfive21 on May 24, 2018, 10:28:13 AM
here's what i don't get.  not really $$ related, but neither are the 50 posts about art and music ;)

WHY do people who live in Houston have large, cold-weather, long-haired dogs??

your huskie is sweating his ass off and looks like he's going to keel over.  your tibetan mastiff is going to have a heat stroke.  your bernese mountain dog is not supposed to be at sea level in 90+ weather and that's not even counting the 90% humidity.  your dogs are giving me this look as if to say 'send me back to the land of my people!'

at the very least, shave your freaking dog so he can have a little relief.  would you wear a thick furry winter coat in Houston in June??

WTF!
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Post by: Imma on May 24, 2018, 11:12:27 AM
Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.

Amen.  It has to be a group effort though so the parties over at the same time.  I used to start drinking early, thinking I would then be asleep by 9 or 10.  The next morning I would be curious why I'm still tired if I went to sleep around 10...then one of my friends would say "we shut the bar down last night", after going to 3 other bars that I had no recollection of...#earlydrinkingblackout

I don't get: people who drink to the point of not remembering that night and being proud of it - and wanting to do it again.


Yes, this! As a non-drinker it's difficult for me to understand hard-drinking people. I get drinking a few glasses if you really like the taste ( I can't stand it). But the desire to get completely drunk is just extremely difficult for me to understand. Why does a grown adult want to degenerate into a barely conscious adult baby barely able to walk and talk? And do it again the next time - on purpose?

I especially don't get it when it happens at gigs and festivals. You pay Ä200 for a ticket to see your favourite bands, and Ä3,50 per drink, and you don't even remember it the next day? Might as well stay at home, play their CD and drink cheap booze. You could camp in the backyard on a half-inflated airbed to get the true festival experience.
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Post by: MrsWolfeRN on May 24, 2018, 11:16:25 AM
Whether music is good or bad, it becomes annoying to hear the same thing again and again. I don't get why radio stations don't have longer playlists or more variety.

Also, why do baby clothes have pockets?
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Post by: OtherJen on May 24, 2018, 11:24:57 AM
Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.

Amen.  It has to be a group effort though so the parties over at the same time.  I used to start drinking early, thinking I would then be asleep by 9 or 10.  The next morning I would be curious why I'm still tired if I went to sleep around 10...then one of my friends would say "we shut the bar down last night", after going to 3 other bars that I had no recollection of...#earlydrinkingblackout

I don't get: people who drink to the point of not remembering that night and being proud of it - and wanting to do it again.


Yes, this! As a non-drinker it's difficult for me to understand hard-drinking people. I get drinking a few glasses if you really like the taste ( I can't stand it). But the desire to get completely drunk is just extremely difficult for me to understand. Why does a grown adult want to degenerate into a barely conscious adult baby barely able to walk and talk? And do it again the next time - on purpose?

I am a drinker, and I don't get it either. I enjoy a glass or two of wine or a good cocktail (or good scotch or tequila), but getting brown-out drunk once or twice in college was more than enough for me to learn my limits and stick to them. And besides the real health and safety risks, it's expensive!
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Post by: Travis on May 24, 2018, 12:12:05 PM
Also, why do baby clothes have pockets?

To train parents to pay attention to the small details and keep them on their toes. :)
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Post by: PoutineLover on May 24, 2018, 12:19:17 PM
Also, why do baby clothes have pockets?
Wait a sec, BABIES clothes have pockets and women's don't?!

I don't get it.
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Post by: GreenEggs on May 24, 2018, 02:12:03 PM
Alcoholism is considered an addiction.  I also think a lot of heavy drinkers have something that they're trying to forget or escape from.  It's a social drug that is legal, and that is its main attraction as far as I can tell. 

I think it allows people to act in all kinds of inappropriate ways and feel likes it's okay because they were drunk.  Sort of like going to confession and your sins are forgiven & forgotten as if they didn't happen. 

Drinking can also be like quicksand since the first drink tends to encourage the second, then the third, etc.  You have a drink which loosens you up and begin having fun.  That felt good, so "why not have another"? 

Then you also have drinkers tend to hang out with other drinkers.  It's their thing, so they automatically are going to drink whenever they're together. 
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Post by: teen persuasion on May 24, 2018, 08:07:11 PM
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Drinking can also be like quicksand since the first drink tends to encourage the second, then the third, etc.  You have a drink which loosens you up and begin having fun.  That felt good, so "why not have another"?   

This is the part I don't get - first drink encourages the second?  Um, first drink encourages me to curl up and take a nap.  It doesn't loosen me up, or make me more social, it makes it seriously difficult to even pay attention to what's going on let alone have fun.

I can't fathom the appeal of alcohol for others.  For me it's definitely "why bother?".
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Post by: MrsWolfeRN on May 24, 2018, 09:43:30 PM
Also, why do baby clothes have pockets?
Wait a sec, BABIES clothes have pockets and women's don't?!

I don't get it.

Teeny tiny pockets, so small that anything that would fit in there would be a choking hazard. I guess it's maybe for fashion, but I think they would look just as cute with no pockets or with fake pockets, so why the real ones?
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Post by: Dicey on May 24, 2018, 09:58:27 PM
Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.

Amen.  It has to be a group effort though so the parties over at the same time.  I used to start drinking early, thinking I would then be asleep by 9 or 10.  The next morning I would be curious why I'm still tired if I went to sleep around 10...then one of my friends would say "we shut the bar down last night", after going to 3 other bars that I had no recollection of...#earlydrinkingblackout

I don't get: people who drink to the point of not remembering that night and being proud of it - and wanting to do it again.


Yes, this! As a non-drinker it's difficult for me to understand hard-drinking people. I get drinking a few glasses if you really like the taste ( I can't stand it). But the desire to get completely drunk is just extremely difficult for me to understand. Why does a grown adult want to degenerate into a barely conscious adult baby barely able to walk and talk? And do it again the next time - on purpose?

I especially don't get it when it happens at gigs and festivals. You pay Ä200 for a ticket to see your favourite bands, and Ä3,50 per drink, and you don't even remember it the next day? Might as well stay at home, play their CD and drink cheap booze. You could camp in the backyard on a half-inflated airbed to get the true festival experience.
Imma, I coulda written every word of this. Amen, sister!
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Post by: sui generis on May 24, 2018, 10:08:31 PM
Also, why do baby clothes have pockets?
Wait a sec, BABIES clothes have pockets and women's don't?!

I don't get it.

Teeny tiny pockets, so small that anything that would fit in there would be a choking hazard. I guess it's maybe for fashion, but I think they would look just as cute with no pockets or with fake pockets, so why the real ones?

Wait are you talking about the baby pockets or women's pockets?  Because I feel like that's how the pockets are on all MY clothes and I really don't need to be protected from choking hazards.

I would really like to have real pockets on some of my pants.  Like, even my hiking pants' pockets barely fit my phone. In the meantime, my boyfriend barely needs to carry a backpack because he's got everything he owns in his pockets.  They are like Mary Poppins' carryall bag and I'm over here trying to see if I can sneak one tube of lip balm in mine.  Women's pants are preposterous.
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Post by: Schaefer Light on May 25, 2018, 06:52:43 AM
Alcoholism is considered an addiction.  I also think a lot of heavy drinkers have something that they're trying to forget or escape from.  It's a social drug that is legal, and that is its main attraction as far as I can tell. 

I think it allows people to act in all kinds of inappropriate ways and feel likes it's okay because they were drunk.  Sort of like going to confession and your sins are forgiven & forgotten as if they didn't happen. 

Drinking can also be like quicksand since the first drink tends to encourage the second, then the third, etc.  You have a drink which loosens you up and begin having fun.  That felt good, so "why not have another"? 

Then you also have drinkers tend to hang out with other drinkers.  It's their thing, so they automatically are going to drink whenever they're together.
You hit the nail on the head here.  I think most drinkers are using it as a form of escapism.  I know I did.  Life is boring, so have a beer (or 12 ;) and it will be less boring.  Life is stressful, so have a few drinks and the stress goes away.  I've got to go to a party where I don't really know anyone, so I'll have a few beers and my shyness will disappear.  In all of these situations, it's about getting away from something - be it boredom, stress, social anxiety, or any form of unpleasantness you may be dealing with.  Whatever you want to get away from, you can likely do it (at least temporarily) with enough alcohol.
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Post by: GreenEggs on May 25, 2018, 12:11:19 PM
Alcoholism is considered an addiction.  I also think a lot of heavy drinkers have something that they're trying to forget or escape from.  It's a social drug that is legal, and that is its main attraction as far as I can tell. 

I think it allows people to act in all kinds of inappropriate ways and feel likes it's okay because they were drunk.  Sort of like going to confession and your sins are forgiven & forgotten as if they didn't happen. 

Drinking can also be like quicksand since the first drink tends to encourage the second, then the third, etc.  You have a drink which loosens you up and begin having fun.  That felt good, so "why not have another"? 

Then you also have drinkers tend to hang out with other drinkers.  It's their thing, so they automatically are going to drink whenever they're together.
You hit the nail on the head here.  I think most drinkers are using it as a form of escapism.  I know I did.  Life is boring, so have a beer (or 12 ;) and it will be less boring.  Life is stressful, so have a few drinks and the stress goes away.  I've got to go to a party where I don't really know anyone, so I'll have a few beers and my shyness will disappear.  In all of these situations, it's about getting away from something - be it boredom,
stress, social anxiety, or any form of unpleasantness you may be dealing with.  Whatever you want to get away from, you can likely do it (at least temporarily) with enough alcohol.



I know a number of alcoholics TOO well.  There are always deeper issues besides the drinking.  Booze is the wrong drug, but easily available and socially acceptable.  Personally, the side effects aren't worth the pleasure.  Also, it's a depressant.  Who needs that?  It's like watching a bad movie, over and over.
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Post by: mm1970 on May 25, 2018, 01:39:14 PM
Alcoholism is considered an addiction.  I also think a lot of heavy drinkers have something that they're trying to forget or escape from.  It's a social drug that is legal, and that is its main attraction as far as I can tell. 

I think it allows people to act in all kinds of inappropriate ways and feel likes it's okay because they were drunk.  Sort of like going to confession and your sins are forgiven & forgotten as if they didn't happen. 

Drinking can also be like quicksand since the first drink tends to encourage the second, then the third, etc.  You have a drink which loosens you up and begin having fun.  That felt good, so "why not have another"? 

Then you also have drinkers tend to hang out with other drinkers.  It's their thing, so they automatically are going to drink whenever they're together.
You hit the nail on the head here.  I think most drinkers are using it as a form of escapism.  I know I did.  Life is boring, so have a beer (or 12 ;) and it will be less boring.  Life is stressful, so have a few drinks and the stress goes away.  I've got to go to a party where I don't really know anyone, so I'll have a few beers and my shyness will disappear.  In all of these situations, it's about getting away from something - be it boredom, stress, social anxiety, or any form of unpleasantness you may be dealing with.  Whatever you want to get away from, you can likely do it (at least temporarily) with enough alcohol.

This is true.  My mother was an alcoholic, and it eventually killed her.

I like wine.  I live in wine country.  Wine is popular here.  Now that I'm older, I see that people younger than me are drinking...a lot.  And, it's the kind of drinking you'd expect to see 20-somethings do, but they are 30-something.  I guess they are still single or don't have kids so...

I enjoy a glass of wine.  It's relaxing to go to the winery, sit in a comfy chair, and sip.  I've almost completely stopped drinking at home though, because it became a crutch when dealing with stress.  Also: it interferes with my sleep.  Even a couple of ounces of wine (less than half a drink) with dinner will cause me to sleep like crap.  So it's not something I can do often - I need my sleep!  So now, I take the wine that I get from my wine clubs to my neighborhood potlucks.  I have a glass, or two, and that's it for the week.
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Post by: SweetLife on May 26, 2018, 10:47:29 PM
Television just baffles me. It just seems... boring and stupid? And I hate commercials. I'm not great at sitting still for that long either with nothing occupying me. And then you see these things in the news about how the average person watches 3, 4, 5 hours a DAY of it? I just don't get how people can watch it that much and not lose their minds.

This .... me too! I haven't watch TV in so many years ... and I don't miss it. Occasionally I find something I enjoy on Netflix (like a series) but very rarely and I prefer to hang out with my family rather than watch TV.
I also don't get video games ... guys at work play for HOURS ... like 6 or 8 hours of their life!!!!
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Post by: Penn42 on May 28, 2018, 11:43:50 AM
Television just baffles me. It just seems... boring and stupid? And I hate commercials. I'm not great at sitting still for that long either with nothing occupying me. And then you see these things in the news about how the average person watches 3, 4, 5 hours a DAY of it? I just don't get how people can watch it that much and not lose their minds.

This .... me too! I haven't watch TV in so many years ... and I don't miss it. Occasionally I find something I enjoy on Netflix (like a series) but very rarely and I prefer to hang out with my family rather than watch TV.
I also don't get video games ... guys at work play for HOURS ... like 6 or 8 hours of their life!!!!

This is me.  I'll watch TV if there is something I want to watch and when I decide to watch it.  Making the decision to spend some time enjoying something one finds enjoyable is one thing...  Having the TV on as a default or "binging" dozens of episodes because you're too lazy to come up with anything else to do makes no sense to me.
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Post by: Hula Hoop on May 28, 2018, 01:10:33 PM
Same here.  I don't watch TV but I do watch the occasional Netflix series that I really enjoy.  I just finished Wild, Wild Country which was great.
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Post by: Adam Zapple on May 29, 2018, 05:22:39 AM
I don't get the whole bicycling ensemble with the tights and all that stuff.  Is it so you are not mistaken for a poor person with no car?  I get the idea behind it but I feel like there should be a practical option for everyday riding to work etc.
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Post by: Imma on May 29, 2018, 06:02:47 AM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.

It's 30C  / 86F outside, sunny and dry atm and early in the afternoon. I just witnessed my neighbour turning on her dryer, while she is home and has a garden. It would take her less than 5 minutes to put her laundry on the line outside and it would dry just as quick, smell better, lower her electricity bill and her environmental impact.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: davisgang90 on May 29, 2018, 06:32:44 AM
Golf.

I have several friends who play several times a week.

Closest I have come is driving the cart/drinking beer for mandatory fun when i was in command.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GuitarStv on May 29, 2018, 07:44:48 AM
I don't get the whole bicycling ensemble with the tights and all that stuff.  Is it so you are not mistaken for a poor person with no car?  I get the idea behind it but I feel like there should be a practical option for everyday riding to work etc.

I started riding to work on a too small for me mountain bike, wearing regular shorts, sneakers, and a cotton t-shirt.  (Maybe sweatpants and a sweater when it was cold.)  I currently wear bike shorts and a tight fitting cycling jersey on my road bike when riding to work.

My ride is 13 miles each way.  When it was hot in the summer, I'd get chafing on my inner thighs with regular shorts that would prevent me from riding as much as I wanted to.  The cotton shirt would soak through with sweat half way through the ride and be heavy/itchy until I got to my destination.  When you're cycling quickly, your clothing makes a ton of noise as it whips around in the wind . . . and it kinda acts like a parachute slowing you down.  When wearing sweatpants, I'd need to wear a band around my leg or tuck them into a sock to prevent them from catching in the chain.  If it rained, I'd be soaked wet and then get chilled very quickly (even though I had fenders).

Every one of these problems is solved by wearing proper bike clothing.  Yes, you'll have to embrace looking a bit goofy . . . but they make riding a bike much more comfortable.  Regular clothing is not practical on a bike unless you're cycling very short distances, very slowly, in nice weather.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: wenchsenior on May 29, 2018, 08:17:27 AM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.

It's 30C  / 86F outside, sunny and dry atm and early in the afternoon. I just witnessed my neighbour turning on her dryer, while she is home and has a garden. It would take her less than 5 minutes to put her laundry on the line outside and it would dry just as quick, smell better, lower her electricity bill and her environmental impact.

In our case, it's the incredible amount of dust in the air down here, especially in the spring/early summer.  We live in the center of about a 100 mile radius of flat, barren dirt fields saturated with pesticides.  The dust storms look like something from a movie, and anything more than a light breeze is full of dust.

 I would like to try this if we ever move, though.  Or even here in the late summer/early fall (least dusty season) if we had room to put up a line where the clothes wouldn't immediately be covered with bird-shit.

But I think it never crosses my mind b/c I associate line drying with field work, and unbelievably skunky clothing that you can't fully wash but have to wear for weeks (in one case, so stinky that black vultures kept stealing it off the line LOL).

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Post by: OtherJen on May 29, 2018, 08:45:06 AM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.

It's 30C  / 86F outside, sunny and dry atm and early in the afternoon. I just witnessed my neighbour turning on her dryer, while she is home and has a garden. It would take her less than 5 minutes to put her laundry on the line outside and it would dry just as quick, smell better, lower her electricity bill and her environmental impact.

In our case, it's the incredible amount of dust in the air down here, especially in the spring/early summer.  We live in the center of about a 100 mile radius of flat, barren dirt fields saturated with pesticides.  The dust storms look like something from a movie, and anything more than a light breeze is full of dust.

 I would like to try this if we ever move, though.  Or even here in the late summer/early fall (least dusty season) if we had room to put up a line where the clothes wouldn't immediately be covered with bird-shit.

We must live in similar places. The cars and pretty much any outdoor surface are currently covered in tree pollen. We have birds everywhere, and they aren't shy about using everything in our yard as their toilet. This is also a high-humidity area, so sometimes things just don't dry in the air.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Imma on May 29, 2018, 09:02:20 AM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.

It's 30C  / 86F outside, sunny and dry atm and early in the afternoon. I just witnessed my neighbour turning on her dryer, while she is home and has a garden. It would take her less than 5 minutes to put her laundry on the line outside and it would dry just as quick, smell better, lower her electricity bill and her environmental impact.

In our case, it's the incredible amount of dust in the air down here, especially in the spring/early summer.  We live in the center of about a 100 mile radius of flat, barren dirt fields saturated with pesticides.  The dust storms look like something from a movie, and anything more than a light breeze is full of dust.

 I would like to try this if we ever move, though.  Or even here in the late summer/early fall (least dusty season) if we had room to put up a line where the clothes wouldn't immediately be covered with bird-shit.

We must live in similar places. The cars and pretty much any outdoor surface are currently covered in tree pollen. We have birds everywhere, and they aren't shy about using everything in our yard as their toilet. This is also a high-humidity area, so sometimes things just don't dry in the air.

I get it when you live in a place where climate / surroundings don't allow for line drying, but I know for certain my neighbour lives in the perfect place for line drying. Our climate is not humid at all, and I only get birdshit on my laundry about once a year. Dust and pollution are not issues here either. I dried some white sheets outside today and the only way to get them this crisp and fresh and white is by drying them outside in the bright sunlight.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: I'm a red panda on May 29, 2018, 09:07:56 AM
I do not understand the phrase "break the internet".

Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Hula Hoop on May 29, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.

It's 30C  / 86F outside, sunny and dry atm and early in the afternoon. I just witnessed my neighbour turning on her dryer, while she is home and has a garden. It would take her less than 5 minutes to put her laundry on the line outside and it would dry just as quick, smell better, lower her electricity bill and her environmental impact.

I agree.  I live in an apartment with no balcony but we still line dry all year long (no one has dryers here in Italy).  There are special dedicated clothes lines on the roof of our building - it currently takes less than 2 hours to dry heavy towels.  And when it rains, we just dry everything on a clothes horse type thing inside.  Mustachian and environmentally friendly.
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Post by: kanga1622 on May 29, 2018, 11:58:58 AM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.

It's 30C  / 86F outside, sunny and dry atm and early in the afternoon. I just witnessed my neighbour turning on her dryer, while she is home and has a garden. It would take her less than 5 minutes to put her laundry on the line outside and it would dry just as quick, smell better, lower her electricity bill and her environmental impact.

I use my dryer because drying clothes outside would cause most of my family to be feeling like garbage if they touched/wore any of those items. My allergies are TERRIBLE and my list of items is super long. My youngest also appears to have a lot of allergies based on his symptoms. Just easier to use a dryer than to make sure I don't touch/sleep on/wear any items that have grass, pine, pollen, mold, or dirt particles.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: runbikerun on May 30, 2018, 12:51:40 AM
I don't get the whole bicycling ensemble with the tights and all that stuff.  Is it so you are not mistaken for a poor person with no car?  I get the idea behind it but I feel like there should be a practical option for everyday riding to work etc.

I started riding to work on a too small for me mountain bike, wearing regular shorts, sneakers, and a cotton t-shirt.  (Maybe sweatpants and a sweater when it was cold.)  I currently wear bike shorts and a tight fitting cycling jersey on my road bike when riding to work.

My ride is 13 miles each way.  When it was hot in the summer, I'd get chafing on my inner thighs with regular shorts that would prevent me from riding as much as I wanted to.  The cotton shirt would soak through with sweat half way through the ride and be heavy/itchy until I got to my destination.  When you're cycling quickly, your clothing makes a ton of noise as it whips around in the wind . . . and it kinda acts like a parachute slowing you down.  When wearing sweatpants, I'd need to wear a band around my leg or tuck them into a sock to prevent them from catching in the chain.  If it rained, I'd be soaked wet and then get chilled very quickly (even though I had fenders).

Every one of these problems is solved by wearing proper bike clothing.  Yes, you'll have to embrace looking a bit goofy . . . but they make riding a bike much more comfortable.  Regular clothing is not practical on a bike unless you're cycling very short distances, very slowly, in nice weather.

A thousand times this. Proper cycling gear ensures you cool down faster in hot weather, and is faster than ordinary clothing by a serious margin - we're talking in minutes rather than seconds for a ten mile ride. If you ride ten miles each way to work, proper gear could save you five to ten minutes each day.

There's also the factor for a lot of people that they're effectively training or exercising while riding, and so want to be properly equipped. And the vanity factor may come into play - I worked hard for these legs, and I'm not about to hide them under baggy shorts!
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 30, 2018, 09:55:01 AM


A thousand times this. Proper cycling gear ensures you cool down faster in hot weather, and is faster than ordinary clothing by a serious margin - we're talking in minutes rather than seconds for a ten mile ride. If you ride ten miles each way to work, proper gear could save you five to ten minutes each day.



I'm all for proper gear, but really, shave MINUTES off a 10 mile ride?  Any data to support this?  You're really telling me by putting on tight cycling clothing instead of my baggy underarmour shorts I'm going to shave minutes from my ride?  Sorry, this is super hard for me to buy into without seeing some actual supporting data.

Quote from: CyclingWeekly
Cycling Weeklyís own tests show that an aerosuit can save around five watts of energy compared to a close-fitting jersey and short combination and 10 watts over loose-fitting clothing, equating to time savings of 45 seconds or more over 25 miles.

Not exactly a massive time savings, and this is for top tier cyclers.
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 30, 2018, 10:05:34 AM


A thousand times this. Proper cycling gear ensures you cool down faster in hot weather, and is faster than ordinary clothing by a serious margin - we're talking in minutes rather than seconds for a ten mile ride. If you ride ten miles each way to work, proper gear could save you five to ten minutes each day.



I'm all for proper gear, but really, shave MINUTES off a 10 mile ride?  Any data to support this?  You're really telling me by putting on tight cycling clothing instead of my baggy underarmour shorts I'm going to shave minutes from my ride?  Sorry, this is super hard for me to buy into without seeing some actual supporting data.

This wind tunnel testing showed the difference between a slightly baggy fit cycling jersey and a tight fitting one:  http://www.stickybottle.com/uncategorized/video-loose-vs-tighter-jerseys-tested-in-a-wind-tunnel-energy-saved-time-gained-is-huge/ (http://www.stickybottle.com/uncategorized/video-loose-vs-tighter-jerseys-tested-in-a-wind-tunnel-energy-saved-time-gained-is-huge/).  It came to 91 seconds over 24 miles for a short sleeve jersey.  If you add in the drag of baggy shorts and your typical (even baggier) t-shirt, I wouldn't be surprised to see a greater time differential.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 30, 2018, 10:07:47 AM
Yes, as I mentioned, Cycling Weekly found something similar (45 seconds saved).  Keep in mind, this is a top level cyclist and over 25 miles.  Not exactly a drastic difference unless you're in a race.

Quote from: CyclingWeekly
Cycling Weeklyís own tests show that an aerosuit can save around five watts of energy compared to a close-fitting jersey and short combination and 10 watts over loose-fitting clothing, equating to time savings of 45 seconds or more over 25 miles.

And the difference is for an actual aerosuit, not just standard close fitting cycling clothing.  And this is for 25 miles, big difference betweeen that and a 10 mile ride.  When all is said and done, Tom might be able to shave 10 seconds off his 10 mile ride wearing a jersey/short combo.  Not exactly drastic for riding to work.  But yeah, if you're a racer, of course that's beneficial.
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Post by: acroy on May 30, 2018, 10:15:36 AM
This wind tunnel testing showed the difference between a slightly baggy fit cycling jersey and a tight fitting one:  http://www.stickybottle.com/uncategorized/video-loose-vs-tighter-jerseys-tested-in-a-wind-tunnel-energy-saved-time-gained-is-huge/ (http://www.stickybottle.com/uncategorized/video-loose-vs-tighter-jerseys-tested-in-a-wind-tunnel-energy-saved-time-gained-is-huge/).  It came to 91 seconds over 24 miles for a short sleeve jersey.  If you add in the drag of baggy shorts and your typical (even baggier) t-shirt, I wouldn't be surprised to see a greater time differential.

I ride to burn calories, so I ride in baggy shorts + cotton t-shirts :) projected to be upper 90's / low 100's all week, bring it!
Actually I tried cycling gear but can't stand the looks/cost/feel for daily use. I have 1 set of 'cycling' shorts/jersey for use on centuries

Something "I don't get": older kids (and adults!) obsessed with Legos. Seems rather infantile in addition to the crazy high price and how uncomfortable they are to step on!!
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 30, 2018, 10:19:14 AM
Yes, as I mentioned, Cycling Weekly found something similar (45 seconds saved).  Keep in mind, this is a top level cyclist and over 25 miles.  Not exactly a drastic difference unless you're in a race.

Quote from: CyclingWeekly
Cycling Weeklyís own tests show that an aerosuit can save around five watts of energy compared to a close-fitting jersey and short combination and 10 watts over loose-fitting clothing, equating to time savings of 45 seconds or more over 25 miles.

And the difference is for an actual aerosuit, not just standard close fitting cycling clothing.  And this is for 25 miles, big difference betweeen that and a 10 mile ride.  When all is said and done, you might be able to shave 10 seconds off your 10 mile ride wearing a jersey/short combo.  Not exactly drastic for riding to work.

Slower cyclists actually save more time via aerodynamics than faster cyclists, (https://flocycling.com/slower-athletes-save-more-time.php (https://flocycling.com/slower-athletes-save-more-time.php)) but yeah you're probably not going to notice much on a 10 mile ride.
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Post by: Imma on May 30, 2018, 10:39:42 AM
I don't get the whole bicycling ensemble with the tights and all that stuff.  Is it so you are not mistaken for a poor person with no car?  I get the idea behind it but I feel like there should be a practical option for everyday riding to work etc.

I started riding to work on a too small for me mountain bike, wearing regular shorts, sneakers, and a cotton t-shirt.  (Maybe sweatpants and a sweater when it was cold.)  I currently wear bike shorts and a tight fitting cycling jersey on my road bike when riding to work.

My ride is 13 miles each way.  When it was hot in the summer, I'd get chafing on my inner thighs with regular shorts that would prevent me from riding as much as I wanted to.  The cotton shirt would soak through with sweat half way through the ride and be heavy/itchy until I got to my destination.  When you're cycling quickly, your clothing makes a ton of noise as it whips around in the wind . . . and it kinda acts like a parachute slowing you down.  When wearing sweatpants, I'd need to wear a band around my leg or tuck them into a sock to prevent them from catching in the chain.  If it rained, I'd be soaked wet and then get chilled very quickly (even though I had fenders).

Every one of these problems is solved by wearing proper bike clothing.  Yes, you'll have to embrace looking a bit goofy . . . but they make riding a bike much more comfortable.  Regular clothing is not practical on a bike unless you're cycling very short distances, very slowly, in nice weather.

A thousand times this. Proper cycling gear ensures you cool down faster in hot weather, and is faster than ordinary clothing by a serious margin - we're talking in minutes rather than seconds for a ten mile ride. If you ride ten miles each way to work, proper gear could save you five to ten minutes each day.

There's also the factor for a lot of people that they're effectively training or exercising while riding, and so want to be properly equipped. And the vanity factor may come into play - I worked hard for these legs, and I'm not about to hide them under baggy shorts!

I commute by bike 100% of the time, I have never owned a car. I've also never owned cycling gear and never missed it. The only thing I do is wear thermal leggings and woolen socks underneath my regular jeans during the winter, or the wind will blow right through them. My daily commute has never been longer than about 15 km one way though. I imagine if you're cycling really long distances you might want some extra gear - I don't have to ride very fast so I don't sweat.
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Post by: Dicey on May 30, 2018, 12:31:33 PM
Yes, as I mentioned, Cycling Weekly found something similar (45 seconds saved).  Keep in mind, this is a top level cyclist and over 25 miles.  Not exactly a drastic difference unless you're in a race.

Quote from: CyclingWeekly
Cycling Weeklyís own tests show that an aerosuit can save around five watts of energy compared to a close-fitting jersey and short combination and 10 watts over loose-fitting clothing, equating to time savings of 45 seconds or more over 25 miles.
And the difference is for an actual aerosuit, not just standard close fitting cycling clothing.  And this is for 25 miles, big difference betweeen that and a 10 mile ride.  When all is said and done, you might be able to shave 10 seconds off your 10 mile ride wearing a jersey/short combo.  Not exactly drastic for riding to work.

Slower cyclists actually save more time via aerodynamics than faster cyclists, (https://flocycling.com/slower-athletes-save-more-time.php (https://flocycling.com/slower-athletes-save-more-time.php)) but yeah you're probably not going to notice much on a 10 mile ride.

That "funny looking" specialty gear actually makes cycling safer* and far more comfortable, which makes the likelihood of riding one's bike much greater, which results in real savings. The dollar kind, which is far more impactful than a little bit of time.

*As anyone who's ever gotten a pants leg caught in a chain can testify.
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Post by: ChpBstrd on May 30, 2018, 12:54:03 PM
1) Lawns
2) Dogs
3) People who get pissed at the neighbors whose dogs contribute natural compost to their lawns EVEN THOUGH their own dogs can contribute natural compost there, as if it's a territorial thing or the shit is somehow different.
4) People described under #3 who encourage me to "adopt" a dog even as they make life miserable and degrading for dog owners.

I have a 10lb dog.  An 80lb dog's shit IS different.

Also, my dog shits only in the backyard (it's fenced, he doesn't go in the unfenced front).  I know to watch for shit there.  If someone else's dog shits in the front yard, I (and others in my household) am/are not expecting it.

Yep. I don't have dogs. Somehow, I ended up needing to scrape and clean a rather large quantity of fairly fresh dog shit off of my workboot last fall after working in my own yard.

I don't have dogs because I don't want to deal with dog shit in my yard (among other reasons). I certainly don't want to deal with shit from other peoples' dogs.
The interesting thing about lawns is that they compel us to blame other people and animals for the poop rather than the presence of the lawn itself. I.e. we tend to neglect that another solution to the problem (and many other problems) is to not have a lawn, or at least not expect them to be sterile play surfaces and have our day ruined when reality intrudes upon this illusion. Will we end up shaking our fists in the air at the birds dropping poop on our grass? Earthworms are shitting all over the place just beneath the surface. Topsoil itself is composed of decomposing organic matter, including poop. Even blue ribbon lawns are full of bacteria, fungi, molds, alge, viruses, and parasites for various species.

The issue with dog poop for me isn't seeing dog poop. It's the people being so inconsiderate that they didn't pick it up when they saw their dog do it. I have a dog. I love dogs. I don't like people who don't clean up their shit. I see it as no different than tossing a cigarette butt or garbage on the ground. Be better than that people, for Christ sakes!

The point, in a nutshell, is that it's illogical to both like dogs and to like pristine lawns. You cannot have a pristine lawn in a neighborhood with lots of dogs. It's a fantasy. It's the equivalent of deciding keep a dog indoors, and then getting pissed off every time you see hair on the floor and furniture. Well, actually your incompatible desires led you to this point of frustration. It was inevitable. What I don't get is why people don't realize they are imposing this agitation upon themselves.

The next closest parallel to this cognitive dissonance is wanting to have six-pack abs and also wanting to eat Hardees double-baconator-whatever burgers for dinner every night. Yes, the freedom to choose is hard for us grown-ups, but to blame others for the impossibility of one's ideals (i.e. dogs that don't shit or shed) is simply being unaccountable.
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Post by: MrSeven on May 30, 2018, 12:55:32 PM
No offense taken.  I'm not giving medical advice :-)

My point is... why wouldn't someone try it?  And bullocks on the "food doesn't cause migraines." Maybe it's not the food itself CAUSING the migraine, but it can be a reaction by my body trying to process said food.  Like when someone has Celiac Disease, which I have.  And you know when I get my migraine?  2-3 days after I ingest something I shouldn't. I'm no stranger to unsolicited medical advice - I don't give that either.  Only when solicited or someone's whining and that's when I get the "oh, I couldn't cut out <insert XXX food here>".

I had migraines 4 times a week and for awhile they thought I had a brain tumor.  The doctors put me on Topomax and Maxalt and sent me for blood tests and brain scans.  Know what it was?  I'm a Celiac and really needed to stop eating the crap I was eating.  I stopped... and so did the migraines.  I wish my doctors would have told me about potential inflammation in my body because not every body processes every food the same.  I also had a multitude of other symptoms that definitely should have helped them draw the conclusion of diet, but they didn't.  And I was young and trusted them.

My sister has 6-8 migraines a month.  She takes Maxalt like candy.  She refuses to try cutting out some basic things that may be affecting her.  Shoot, at this point I'd just get Botox if I were her.  My sister-in-law has Celiac's and Crohn's.  She also refuses to try cutting out basic things that are known to cause inflammation.  She instead hooks herself up to a Remicade machine once a month for her treatments.

But, no. I don't think that changing your diet is a cure-all.  I do think it's worth it to try.  If it doesn't work, try something else.  I'm all for #betterlivingthroughchemistry when it's necessary.  So, long story short... I don't get people who won't TRY.

People who suffer with migraines and/or stomach problems and are unwilling to alter their diets to try and help because it seems 'too extreme'... but are all too willing to pop pills like they're candy and hook themselves up to treatment machines.

What I don't get is people giving out all kinds of medical advice out to strangers who didn't ask for your opinion.
I happen to have both an auto-immune disease and frequent migraines and you won't believe the kind of crazy advice I get on an almost daily basis. Even when their intentions are good, I'd rather take the advice of doctors who've spent years studying medicine.
That said, I totally agree that popping pills, especially pain killers, should be avoided as much as possible.

( no offence meant, but there is no link between migraines and food at all. This has been proven wrong a long time ago. Migraine is a brain disease and symptoms start in your brain days before the patient gets a migraine. Because of these developments you get tired / stressed  / crave foods, but it's because of the migraine, not causing it.  Or in the words of my neurologist: "chocolate causes migraines like pickles cause pregnancy". )

My wife use to have severe migraines about once every month (or two)... tried a lot of different things to help lower the occurrences. Went to the neurologist and tried many things (hated imitrex) and finally decided to give up chocolate. The migraines pretty much stopped... maybe once a year now. Who knows if was the chocolate or not, but its been working for about 8 years now. She had a cupcake a couple years back that she thought didn't have chocolate in it, but did and got a migraine 2 days later. Call it coincidence, but we are both sold that giving up chocolate did help. Also stopped canned pumpkin as well - go figure. I also have perfected the non-chocolate chip cookie... so good with toffee and walnuts!

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Post by: Nicholas Carter on May 30, 2018, 01:36:43 PM
Whether music is good or bad, it becomes annoying to hear the same thing again and again. I don't get why radio stations don't have longer playlists or more variety.
So there are two things happening here. One is that, according to some industry research, the average car trip is only about 15 minutes long. So after 5 songs and a commercial break most people are out of their cars at their destination. It's wasted variety to have a song cycle that's more than about 10 songs.
The other thing is that people's tolerance for variety in music is on a very broad spectrum: most people are fine with hearing the same song 2 or 3 times in 8 hours. I personally listen to the same song about 3 times in a listening session (just put 1 10 minute long song on repeat for my whole 40 minute car ride).

Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.

Amen.  It has to be a group effort though so the parties over at the same time.  I used to start drinking early, thinking I would then be asleep by 9 or 10.  The next morning I would be curious why I'm still tired if I went to sleep around 10...then one of my friends would say "we shut the bar down last night", after going to 3 other bars that I had no recollection of...#earlydrinkingblackout

I don't get: people who drink to the point of not remembering that night and being proud of it - and wanting to do it again.


Yes, this! As a non-drinker it's difficult for me to understand hard-drinking people. I get drinking a few glasses if you really like the taste ( I can't stand it). But the desire to get completely drunk is just extremely difficult for me to understand. Why does a grown adult want to degenerate into a barely conscious adult baby barely able to walk and talk? And do it again the next time - on purpose?

I am a drinker, and I don't get it either. I enjoy a glass or two of wine or a good cocktail (or good scotch or tequila), but getting brown-out drunk once or twice in college was more than enough for me to learn my limits and stick to them. And besides the real health and safety risks, it's expensive!
When I drink my personality changes. Not just my feelings about the moment, but my whole disposition toward my life and community. It's like there's an entire other person inside of me that I've only learned how to be when I'm intoxicated. And I like that guy, so I let him out from time to time to get a little air, stretch our legs.
That guy likes being me a bit less than I like being him, so once I'm in this altered head space I make an effort to be "safe" from any late night sobriety, getting just a bit more drunk than is functional, so that my vibe is not disrupted by any tendrils of clear thought while waiting on my next drink.

I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.
Perhaps I've merely done it wrong, but I can always tell immediately when cloth has been hang dried. It's tolerable when I'm using a towel (I'm already wet) but for anything that is supposed to go on my dry skin, I'd rather go to work stark naked than wear line-dried shirts and slacks.

I do not understand the phrase "break the internet".
The phrase dates to a claim that a photograph of kim kardashian was so popular that every major social media and news website froze, so quickly were people trying to download and share the image. For about half of all people using it, the internet was, literally, broken for about an hour.

Something "I don't get": older kids (and adults!) obsessed with Legos. Seems rather infantile in addition to the crazy high price and how uncomfortable they are to step on!!
Legos are 3-dimensional art for people who are bad at sculpting. They are recombinable, not sticky, and cheap. They are basically the perfect amusement for people who are interested in the concept of making quilts, but not interested in pushing out a few months years of crappy piece works to get their needle skills up to par.
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Post by: NoraLenderbee on May 30, 2018, 02:37:30 PM
The point, in a nutshell, is that it's illogical to both like dogs and to like pristine lawns. You cannot have a pristine lawn in a neighborhood with lots of dogs. It's a fantasy. It's the equivalent of deciding keep a dog indoors, and then getting pissed off every time you see hair on the floor and furniture. Well, actually your incompatible desires led you to this point of frustration. It was inevitable. What I don't get is why people don't realize they are imposing this agitation upon themselves.

The next closest parallel to this cognitive dissonance is wanting to have six-pack abs and also wanting to eat Hardees double-baconator-whatever burgers for dinner every night. Yes, the freedom to choose is hard for us grown-ups, but to blame others for the impossibility of one's ideals (i.e. dogs that don't shit or shed) is simply being unaccountable.

It isn't illogical to like or to want incompatible things. It's only illogical to expect that you can have both at the same time.
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Post by: I'm a red panda on May 30, 2018, 02:50:07 PM

I do not understand the phrase "break the internet".
The phrase dates to a claim that a photograph of kim kardashian was so popular that every major social media and news website froze, so quickly were people trying to download and share the image. For about half of all people using it, the internet was, literally, broken for about an hour.


I know where the phrase comes from. I think it is stupid. Social media is not 'the internet', neither is news websites.  And the vast majority of things now listing as "breaking the internet" don't even get errors on all of those websites- the phrase is so overused from. 

People who use it tell me they have a vast misunderstanding of what the internet it and how vast its offerings are.
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Post by: wxdevil on May 30, 2018, 03:27:19 PM
Pop music, and by extension, celebrity worship.

With all the amazing, creative art/music in the world, why would someone willingly listen to the likes of Katy Perry or most modern rap? I get having music to throw on in the background or let loose too, but having that be the extent of your musical catalog is pretty sad.

Celebrity worship is an order of magnitude worse. It's one thing to admire an artist or celebrity for achievements or lifestyle, but it's another to idolize a celebrity and border-line worship them. What does that say about your own life?
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Post by: Chris22 on May 30, 2018, 03:40:13 PM
Something "I don't get": older kids (and adults!) obsessed with Legos. Seems rather infantile in addition to the crazy high price and how uncomfortable they are to step on!!

Love me some Legos.  I'm not obsessed by any stretch, but I threw a $100 car Lego set on my Amazon wish list and my mother in law bought it for me as a Christmas gift, because she didn't know what else to get.  It was perfect.  I had fun putting it together, and now it sits on display on my dresser.  And I love elbowing my 6y/o daughter out of the way so I can assemble the Legos she gets for gifts.  I love to give Legos as gifts, they're generally played with more and better built/designed than so much other of the plastic crap that passes for toys these days. 
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Post by: Imma on May 30, 2018, 04:24:23 PM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.
Perhaps I've merely done it wrong, but I can always tell immediately when cloth has been hang dried. It's tolerable when I'm using a towel (I'm already wet) but for anything that is supposed to go on my dry skin, I'd rather go to work stark naked than wear line-dried shirts and slacks.

How does it feel different? I don't own a dryer, so I don't know. I have a very dry and sensitive skin as well, but I've never had any trouble wearing line dried clothes. I have used machine dried towels when staying over at other people's places and the only major difference I've noticed is that line dried towels smell like fresh air and machine dried towels don't.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 30, 2018, 04:26:26 PM


I know where the phrase comes from. I think it is stupid. Social media is not 'the internet', neither is news websites. 

It's just a joke and not meant to be taken literally.
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Post by: nnls on May 30, 2018, 04:27:21 PM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.
Perhaps I've merely done it wrong, but I can always tell immediately when cloth has been hang dried. It's tolerable when I'm using a towel (I'm already wet) but for anything that is supposed to go on my dry skin, I'd rather go to work stark naked than wear line-dried shirts and slacks.

How does it feel different? I don't own a dryer, so I don't know. I have a very dry and sensitive skin as well, but I've never had any trouble wearing line dried clothes. I have used machine dried towels when staying over at other people's places and the only major difference I've noticed is that line dried towels smell like fresh air and machine dried towels don't.

I was going to ask the same thing, I have never owned a dryer, but I cant imagine it would feel that different
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Post by: OtherJen on May 30, 2018, 04:32:26 PM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.
Perhaps I've merely done it wrong, but I can always tell immediately when cloth has been hang dried. It's tolerable when I'm using a towel (I'm already wet) but for anything that is supposed to go on my dry skin, I'd rather go to work stark naked than wear line-dried shirts and slacks.

How does it feel different? I don't own a dryer, so I don't know. I have a very dry and sensitive skin as well, but I've never had any trouble wearing line dried clothes. I have used machine dried towels when staying over at other people's places and the only major difference I've noticed is that line dried towels smell like fresh air and machine dried towels don't.

I was going to ask the same thing, I have never owned a dryer, but I cant imagine it would feel that different

In my experience, it depends on the fabric (and this may be due to our somewhat hard water). Synthetics and wool are fine if they're fully line or flat dried, but cotton always feels stiff and crunchy unless it's tumbled in the dryer for at least a few minutes.
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Post by: GuitarStv on May 30, 2018, 06:12:42 PM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.
Perhaps I've merely done it wrong, but I can always tell immediately when cloth has been hang dried. It's tolerable when I'm using a towel (I'm already wet) but for anything that is supposed to go on my dry skin, I'd rather go to work stark naked than wear line-dried shirts and slacks.

How does it feel different? I don't own a dryer, so I don't know. I have a very dry and sensitive skin as well, but I've never had any trouble wearing line dried clothes. I have used machine dried towels when staying over at other people's places and the only major difference I've noticed is that line dried towels smell like fresh air and machine dried towels don't.

I was going to ask the same thing, I have never owned a dryer, but I cant imagine it would feel that different

In my experience, it depends on the fabric (and this may be due to our somewhat hard water). Synthetics and wool are fine if they're fully line or flat dried, but cotton always feels stiff and crunchy unless it's tumbled in the dryer for at least a few minutes.

If you take the cotton clothing off the drying rack and give them a couple snaps in the air you'll find that most of the stiff/crunchy feeling goes away.
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Post by: Awesomeness on May 30, 2018, 07:22:09 PM
Starting drinking late in the evening, when you plan to drink/socialize for hours. Usual result is you lose the next day because of a hangover/sleeping in.

Why not start drinking at noon on a Sat? Drink and party/socialize all day with friends. Stop at 9 or 10, go home, get a full night's rest and sleep off the alcohol. Then you still get Sunday as a usable weekend day.

Amen.  It has to be a group effort though so the parties over at the same time.  I used to start drinking early, thinking I would then be asleep by 9 or 10.  The next morning I would be curious why I'm still tired if I went to sleep around 10...then one of my friends would say "we shut the bar down last night", after going to 3 other bars that I had no recollection of...#earlydrinkingblackout

I don't get: people who drink to the point of not remembering that night and being proud of it - and wanting to do it again.


Yes, this! As a non-drinker it's difficult for me to understand hard-drinking people. I get drinking a few glasses if you really like the taste ( I can't stand it). But the desire to get completely drunk is just extremely difficult for me to understand. Why does a grown adult want to degenerate into a barely conscious adult baby barely able to walk and talk? And do it again the next time - on purpose?

I am a drinker, and I don't get it either. I enjoy a glass or two of wine or a good cocktail (or good scotch or tequila), but getting brown-out drunk once or twice in college was more than enough for me to learn my limits and stick to them. And besides the real health and safety risks, it's expensive!


My ex was an alcoholic and since I never really cared for drinking I especially avoided it because of him. Iíve been divorced now for 8 months. Just attended a party with some good friends. We started food and drinks at four and by eleven that night everyone was gone and we were the ones left cleaning up a bit. Asleep by midnight.

I had 4 margaritas and my first ever shot. My ex would flip shit if he saw the Facebook pics, alcoholics love other drinkers and he hated that I didnít drink.  Iím 47 and never in my life have I had more than one drink.  This was over the whole day and I was just fine. Snacking on good food a lot too. A couple people got loud and silly but no one was wasted. It was nice to be around normal drinkers.  I can see why people like to do this. It was something I could never do because of who I was married too.

At most I felt one with my chair, so relaxed but not drunk at all. It was such a harmless good time and I sure wish my ex was able to do something like this but nope.  He would have carried on past  everyone then woken me up to tell me what a piece of crap I was, crying, puking, happy, furious etc.  then apologizing the next day for doing something he couldnít remember but knew it wasnít good. Itís tragic and so destructive. He never got help and I have no doubt it will be the death of him, I did everything I could to help him. When I discovered he was a cheater too i got out ASAP.  Heís out of my life and I donít check on him.

I thought Iíd hate alcohol forever and never touch it but now I drink Aldi wine and at this moment Iím having some special tropical drink they have, itís really strong so Iíve got some ice with it. Still rarely drink anything but it doesnít trigger me anymore.



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Post by: The Fake Cheap on May 30, 2018, 08:19:13 PM
I don't get adults who get sunburned...I mean a bad sunburn.
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Post by: Imma on May 31, 2018, 01:31:36 AM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.
Perhaps I've merely done it wrong, but I can always tell immediately when cloth has been hang dried. It's tolerable when I'm using a towel (I'm already wet) but for anything that is supposed to go on my dry skin, I'd rather go to work stark naked than wear line-dried shirts and slacks.

How does it feel different? I don't own a dryer, so I don't know. I have a very dry and sensitive skin as well, but I've never had any trouble wearing line dried clothes. I have used machine dried towels when staying over at other people's places and the only major difference I've noticed is that line dried towels smell like fresh air and machine dried towels don't.

I was going to ask the same thing, I have never owned a dryer, but I cant imagine it would feel that different

In my experience, it depends on the fabric (and this may be due to our somewhat hard water). Synthetics and wool are fine if they're fully line or flat dried, but cotton always feels stiff and crunchy unless it's tumbled in the dryer for at least a few minutes.

If you take the cotton clothing off the drying rack and give them a couple snaps in the air you'll find that most of the stiff/crunchy feeling goes away.

This slight stiffness sometimes happens when I dry indoors on the drying rack in the middle of winter, when laundry takes a bit longer to dry. It's because of lack of movement, which is probably why a short tumble in the dryer is one solution. It doesn't happen when you dry laundry outside on the line, because the clothes are blowing in the wind while drying.

Giving them a couple of snaps in the air is a way to get rid of the stiffness, ironing is another solution. But if your clothes get really stiff all the time, you're probably using way too much laundry detergent or your machine doesn't properly rinse clothing after washing. We have hard water too, so I often add a bit of vinegar.
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Post by: OtherJen on May 31, 2018, 06:33:19 AM
I don't get why people use a dryer in fantastic weather.
Perhaps I've merely done it wrong, but I can always tell immediately when cloth has been hang dried. It's tolerable when I'm using a towel (I'm already wet) but for anything that is supposed to go on my dry skin, I'd rather go to work stark naked than wear line-dried shirts and slacks.

How does it feel different? I don't own a dryer, so I don't know. I have a very dry and sensitive skin as well, but I've never had any trouble wearing line dried clothes. I have used machine dried towels when staying over at other people's places and the only major difference I've noticed is that line dried towels smell like fresh air and machine dried towels don't.

I was going to ask the same thing, I have never owned a dryer, but I cant imagine it would feel that different

In my experience, it depends on the fabric (and this may be due to our somewhat hard water). Synthetics and wool are fine if they're fully line or flat dried, but cotton always feels stiff and crunchy unless it's tumbled in the dryer for at least a few minutes.

If you take the cotton clothing off the drying rack and give them a couple snaps in the air you'll find that most of the stiff/crunchy feeling goes away.

This slight stiffness sometimes happens when I dry indoors on the drying rack in the middle of winter, when laundry takes a bit longer to dry. It's because of lack of movement, which is probably why a short tumble in the dryer is one solution. It doesn't happen when you dry laundry outside on the line, because the clothes are blowing in the wind while drying.

Giving them a couple of snaps in the air is a way to get rid of the stiffness, ironing is another solution. But if your clothes get really stiff all the time, you're probably using way too much laundry detergent or your machine doesn't properly rinse clothing after washing. We have hard water too, so I often add a bit of vinegar.

Thatís exactly when the stiffness happens, so I think youíre right that itís a lack of motion. I already use a bit less than the instructed amount of detergent and do sometimes add vinegar. :-) Iíll try a few good snaps next time I wash/air dry my cotton sweaters.
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Post by: markbike528CBX on May 31, 2018, 07:28:47 AM
Rant on Putin that I was going to put at https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/modern-day-slavery/100/
This is the better thread.

I don't get, and despise the way Putin is glorified ( good or bad).


Yes Putin (Russia) has nuclear weapons to saber rattle and has a seat on the UN Security council.
But:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_%28United_Nations%29
Russia is 9th after Bangladesh:
Do you glorify/fear/know who is, the head of state of Bangladesh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
Russia is 13th after Australia
Do you glorify/fear/know who is, the the head of state of Australia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita
Russia is 70th after Equatorial Guinea (wholly crap, I was not expecting that).
Do you glorify/fear/know who is, the the head of state of Equatorial Guinea?

That said:  Putin is not someone I'd want to meet in a dark (or lit)alleyway, or across a negotiating table.
Putin is the obvious leader of Russia, able to swim in the dangerous currents of Russian politics (Po-210 anyone?)

When Putin passes from the scene (a "cold" like old Soviet leaders) the succession crisis should be interesting, as most high grade successors are likely "minimized".
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Post by: MrSeven on May 31, 2018, 09:13:21 AM
watching TV commercials - with DVRs and Netflix, I don't understand why people still watch TV commercials
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Post by: Nicholas Carter on May 31, 2018, 09:40:46 AM
With all the amazing, creative art/music in the world, why would someone willingly listen to the likes of Katy Perry or most modern rap? I get having music to throw on in the background or let loose too, but having that be the extent of your musical catalog is pretty sad.
Pop music is good for basically all the same reasons that a ham and cheese melt is good. It isn't particularly challenging, but it's optimized to hit an emotion/experience note that's pleasant even when it's predictable, the experience is clear even if you don't focus on it completely, and it's covered in melted cheddar.
(BTW, Katy Perry's best work is "driving on a highway with the windows slightly cracked while the sun is out and there is no traffic." and contemporary rap is some combination of "taking a shower when you have somewhere to be but you're not really in a hurry", "driving when there's traffic and you're less than 5 minutes late to work", "the five minutes immediately before stepping into a boxing ring", and "the kind of sex you have in the dark when the ac isn't working". It's a wide genre.)

This slight stiffness sometimes happens when I dry indoors on the drying rack in the middle of winter, when laundry takes a bit longer to dry. It's because of lack of movement, which is probably why a short tumble in the dryer is one solution. It doesn't happen when you dry laundry outside on the line, because the clothes are blowing in the wind while drying.
Alright, this makes sense. I've always thought the secret sauce to hanging clothes was the sunlight, so I haven't bothered to hand clothes where there's adequate wind movement. At my last house, for example, the line was put in before the trees in the yard got large enough to form a windbreak, and I never realized the windbreak would be an issue.
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Post by: Imma on May 31, 2018, 11:58:05 AM
Rant on Putin that I was going to put at https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/modern-day-slavery/100/
This is the better thread.

I don't get, and despise the way Putin is glorified ( good or bad).


Yes Putin (Russia) has nuclear weapons to saber rattle and has a seat on the UN Security council.
But:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_%28United_Nations%29
Russia is 9th after Bangladesh:
Do you glorify/fear/know who is, the head of state of Bangladesh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
Russia is 13th after Australia
Do you glorify/fear/know who is, the the head of state of Australia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita
Russia is 70th after Equatorial Guinea (wholly crap, I was not expecting that).
Do you glorify/fear/know who is, the the head of state of Equatorial Guinea?

That said:  Putin is not someone I'd want to meet in a dark (or lit)alleyway, or across a negotiating table.
Putin is the obvious leader of Russia, able to swim in the dangerous currents of Russian politics (Po-210 anyone?)

When Putin passes from the scene (a "cold" like old Soviet leaders) the succession crisis should be interesting, as most high grade successors are likely "minimized".

One word answer: 'Energy'

"The Russian Federation supplies a significant volume of fossil fuels and is the largest exporter of oil and natural gas to the European Union. In 2007, the European Union imported from Russia 185 million tonnes of crude oil, which accounted for 32.6% of total oil import, and 100.7 million tonnes of oil equivalent of natural gas, which accounted 38.7% of total gas import.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_European_energy_sector

This + NATO / EU.

In many countries there is a large minority of people with Russian heritage, because those countries were under Russian influence for a long time. Russia maintains a territorial claim to these areas and has already invaded one place that they feel should be under the Russian influence. Ukraine was not part of the EU or NATO and nobody feels that area is important enough to risk real war. He was testing us and he got away with it.

But Russia has the same claim to the Baltic states. The Baltic states are EU and NATO members and historically have strong anti-Russian sentiments. If Russia would invade there, those countries would certainly ask for support against Russia. The Russian threat to their territory is why they joined NATO in the first place. This request would likely divide the EU and NATO and severely disrupt the stability of the EU and the single market/euro. The EU is trying to stay afloat, but 10 years after the first crisis happened it is still very fragile.

Whatever you think about Putin, he's a clever man and a strategic thinker. Is he interested in an all-out war with NATO? Of course not. He has very little to gain from that. But he's interested in power and money, and that's exactly what he's gaining now. He's getting involved in international conflicts, enough to divide and confuse his enemies. Whether or not he actually did try to influence the US elections, the Trump presidency has certainly been weakened by these claims, which in turn damages the relationship between the US and Europe. He's meddling in Syria both to to expand Russia's influence and crush the Chechens there, and also to show off his military power. Our economic dependence on Russia gives Putin power.

The scary part about guys like Putin and Erdogan, or any illiberal democracy, is that unlike true authoritarian regimes, they have a strong popular support and get a certain legitimacy because of it. They then use this to get rid of things like free press, free elections and opposition leaders, but there is no doubt that they maintain a strong fanbase, their domestic popularity is not just based on fear. We used to believe that slowly, all countries would progress to liberal democracies and then we would have world peace. It seems the other way round: democratic countries are slowly corrupted and become illiberal democracies.
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Post by: markbike528CBX on May 31, 2018, 12:32:40 PM
Liberty Stash and Imma,

Energy and USSR/Imperial Russia history/ toward Europe definitely answers my question.
As an American I had forgotten the euro energy thing. The Saudi oil kings play a similar role in the US.
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Post by: Travis on May 31, 2018, 12:33:52 PM
Rant on Putin that I was going to put at https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/modern-day-slavery/100/
This is the better thread.

I don't get, and despise the way Putin is glorified ( good or bad).


Yes Putin (Russia) has nuclear weapons to saber rattle and has a seat on the UN Security council.
But:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_%28United_Nations%29
Russia is 9th after Bangladesh:
Do you glorify/fear/know who is, the head of state of Bangladesh?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
Russia is 13th after Australia
Do you glorify/fear/know who is, the the head of state of Australia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita
Russia is 70th after Equatorial Guinea (wholly crap, I was not expecting that).
Do you glorify/fear/know who is, the the head of state of Equatorial Guinea?

That said:  Putin is not someone I'd want to meet in a dark (or lit)alleyway, or across a negotiating table.
Putin is the obvious leader of Russia, able to swim in the dangerous currents of Russian politics (Po-210 anyone?)

When Putin passes from the scene (a "cold" like old Soviet leaders) the succession crisis should be interesting, as most high grade successors are likely "minimized".

One word answer: 'Energy'

"The Russian Federation supplies a significant volume of fossil fuels and is the largest exporter of oil and natural gas to the European Union. In 2007, the European Union imported from Russia 185 million tonnes of crude oil, which accounted for 32.6% of total oil import, and 100.7 million tonnes of oil equivalent of natural gas, which accounted 38.7% of total gas import.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_in_the_European_energy_sector

This + NATO / EU.

In many countries there is a large minority of people with Russian heritage, because those countries were under Russian influence for a long time. Russia maintains a territorial claim to these areas and has already invaded one place that they feel should be under the Russian influence. Ukraine was not part of the EU or NATO and nobody feels that area is important enough to risk real war. He was testing us and he got away with it.

But Russia has the same claim to the Baltic states. The Baltic states are EU and NATO members and historically have strong anti-Russian sentiments. If Russia would invade there, those countries would certainly ask for support against Russia. The Russian threat to their territory is why they joined NATO in the first place. This request would likely divide the EU and NATO and severely disrupt the stability of the EU and the single market/euro. The EU is trying to stay afloat, but 10 years after the first crisis happened it is still very fragile.

Go to Google Maps and zoom in on the Polish/Latvian border.  You'll notice a couple things. One is that the border is very narrow. The other is that there is a little province to the west that is technically Russia and Mother Russia acts very protective about that slice of land.  It's difficult to defend an ally (Poland and all three Baltic states are NATO members) under such circumstances.  Our allies up there are a little nervous given what Russia has done to Georgia and Ukraine in the last decade and Putin has never liked how friendly we've become with former Soviet countries.  Russia flexed it's fossil fuel powers before and gave western Europe a very cold winter when there was a dispute. An economic crisis combined with another territorial crisis involving an EU/NATO member on the European periphery might make other nations choose one membership over the other.

Also, I don't understand using Bangladesh, Australia, and Equatorial Guinea as comparisons to Russia. One is an ally and the other two are too poor or small for anyone to notice while Russia has been an enemy/rival/concern for much of the last century.
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Post by: markbike528CBX on May 31, 2018, 12:54:33 PM
...snip.....
Also, I don't understand using Bangladesh, Australia, and Equatorial Guinea as comparisons to Russia. One is an ally and the other two are too poor or small for anyone to notice while Russia has been an enemy/rival/concern for much of the last century.

The comparison was the main point.   By GDP per capita Russia should have to sit at the little kids table, not with the big boys.
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Post by: Imma on May 31, 2018, 01:20:34 PM
A guy I know doesn't believe in global warming. He's also strongly against lefties and clean energy initiatives and looks down on non-western cultures. He dislikes Arabs and Russians particularly (he loves SE-Asians though).

We have some fossil fuel resources in our own country, but the government is trying to stop drilling because of the earthquakes it's causing. This guy was ranting about how there's nothing wrong with fossil fuels and clean energy was a hoax and actually much worse for the environment than fossil fuels. Then I asked him 'when fossil make us dependent on Arabs and Russians, doesn't that mean transitioning to renewable, local sources should be our main priority?' He then switched to a different subject ....

What I don't get about this is that first of all, no logical thinking person doesn't believe in global warming, but even if you believe fossil fuels don't cause global warming, they still make us dependent on shady regimes and we're going to run out at some point, so developing renewable sources of energy should still be a big priority.
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Post by: Travis on May 31, 2018, 02:57:23 PM
...snip.....
Also, I don't understand using Bangladesh, Australia, and Equatorial Guinea as comparisons to Russia. One is an ally and the other two are too poor or small for anyone to notice while Russia has been an enemy/rival/concern for much of the last century.

The comparison was the main point.   By GDP per capita Russia should have to sit at the little kids table, not with the big boys.

Got it.  Aside from everything discussed above, Russia helped build the big kid's table and the rules don't let us vote them off the island.
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Post by: fuzzy math on May 31, 2018, 05:25:02 PM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.
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Post by: Dicey on May 31, 2018, 07:48:10 PM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.
We replaced our lawn with slate chips last year. It looks awesome, and it wasn't terribly expensive, especially compared to other non-grass options.
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Post by: Chris22 on May 31, 2018, 08:12:05 PM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 31, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

you don't water or mow it?
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Post by: MrsWolfeRN on May 31, 2018, 09:07:22 PM
I don't get ABATE. If you are going to take a political stance against something, why helmets? Aren't there more important causes out there?
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Post by: pbkmaine on May 31, 2018, 09:49:02 PM


A thousand times this. Proper cycling gear ensures you cool down faster in hot weather, and is faster than ordinary clothing by a serious margin - we're talking in minutes rather than seconds for a ten mile ride. If you ride ten miles each way to work, proper gear could save you five to ten minutes each day.



I'm all for proper gear, but really, shave MINUTES off a 10 mile ride?  Any data to support this?  You're really telling me by putting on tight cycling clothing instead of my baggy underarmour shorts I'm going to shave minutes from my ride?  Sorry, this is super hard for me to buy into without seeing some actual supporting data.

Quote from: CyclingWeekly
Cycling Weekly’s own tests show that an aerosuit can save around five watts of energy compared to a close-fitting jersey and short combination and 10 watts over loose-fitting clothing, equating to time savings of 45 seconds or more over 25 miles.

Not exactly a massive time savings, and this is for top tier cyclers.

Our European friends find it hilarious that Americans need special clothes for riding bicycles. Unless we are trying out for the Tour de France.
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Post by: dustinst22 on May 31, 2018, 10:01:47 PM


Our European friends find it hilarious that Americans need special clothes for riding bicycles. Unless we are trying out for the Tour de France.

Yeah I could see that.  Tell them we find their tight speedos hilarious too :D.  That is, unless they're trying out for the olympics haha.
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Post by: Chris22 on May 31, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

you don't water or mow it?

Water,  no, we get plenty of rain.

Mow, yeah, youíre right, Iíve gone through about one $3 gallon of gas this year.  $38, my bad.
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Post by: runbikerun on June 01, 2018, 02:33:50 AM


A thousand times this. Proper cycling gear ensures you cool down faster in hot weather, and is faster than ordinary clothing by a serious margin - we're talking in minutes rather than seconds for a ten mile ride. If you ride ten miles each way to work, proper gear could save you five to ten minutes each day.



I'm all for proper gear, but really, shave MINUTES off a 10 mile ride?  Any data to support this?  You're really telling me by putting on tight cycling clothing instead of my baggy underarmour shorts I'm going to shave minutes from my ride?  Sorry, this is super hard for me to buy into without seeing some actual supporting data.

Quote from: CyclingWeekly
Cycling Weeklyís own tests show that an aerosuit can save around five watts of energy compared to a close-fitting jersey and short combination and 10 watts over loose-fitting clothing, equating to time savings of 45 seconds or more over 25 miles.

Not exactly a massive time savings, and this is for top tier cyclers.

Our European friends find it hilarious that Americans need special clothes for riding bicycles. Unless we are trying out for the Tour de France.

I'll just note here that I'm European rather than American. And if you're cycling more than about four miles or so, you're probably going to need to change into fresh clothes when you get to your destination - so you may as well opt for the useful stuff.

On the aero benefits: I think what's being referred to is the difference between skinsuits, tight-fitting jersey-and-shorts combos, and regular fit jerseys and shorts. In other words, you get 45 seconds over 25 miles when you go from "already pretty tight" to "cartoonishly tight". Comparisons to a T-shirt and chinos would, I suspect, produce a vastly larger figure. If I had the time and the patience, and a power meter, I'd head down to my local open air velodrome and do a few laps in different gear to get some hard numbers.

All of this, however, is a bit off topic, so apologies.
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Post by: Imma on June 01, 2018, 04:00:29 AM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

you don't water or mow it?

My total spend this year was Ä20 for some seed. I don't water, rain does that for me, and mowing doesn't cost money, as long as you do it yourself. I haven't mowed this year yet, but I should do it this week.

I have never had a lawn before and I'm really looking forward to having one so I can picknick outside in my own backyard and have BBQs.
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Post by: Hirondelle on June 01, 2018, 04:07:29 AM


A thousand times this. Proper cycling gear ensures you cool down faster in hot weather, and is faster than ordinary clothing by a serious margin - we're talking in minutes rather than seconds for a ten mile ride. If you ride ten miles each way to work, proper gear could save you five to ten minutes each day.



I'm all for proper gear, but really, shave MINUTES off a 10 mile ride?  Any data to support this?  You're really telling me by putting on tight cycling clothing instead of my baggy underarmour shorts I'm going to shave minutes from my ride?  Sorry, this is super hard for me to buy into without seeing some actual supporting data.

Quote from: CyclingWeekly
Cycling Weekly’s own tests show that an aerosuit can save around five watts of energy compared to a close-fitting jersey and short combination and 10 watts over loose-fitting clothing, equating to time savings of 45 seconds or more over 25 miles.

Not exactly a massive time savings, and this is for top tier cyclers.

Our European friends find it hilarious that Americans need special clothes for riding bicycles. Unless we are trying out for the Tour de France.

I'll just note here that I'm European rather than American. And if you're cycling more than about four miles or so, you're probably going to need to change into fresh clothes when you get to your destination - so you may as well opt for the useful stuff.


Fellow European here and I don't get why I would need to change into something fresh after 4 mils (25 mins approx)? Unless you're biking on hilly terrain, at a high speed (>20 km/h I'd say) or in very hot/humid weather I don't see how biking would get me more sweaty than walking. Would you also change into something fresh after a 30 min walk?

Now I have to note that I'm Dutch, so the weather and landscape are both bike friendly. And we also think helmets are unnecessary so yeah, maybe we just don't know how to bike properly ;)
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Post by: PC2K on June 01, 2018, 05:52:58 AM
Other Dutch person here. Cycle to work (and supermarket, city centre, gym, pool); i do not change clothing. I do put on some lycra while roadbiking or MTB ing.
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Post by: Schaefer Light on June 01, 2018, 05:55:12 AM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

I enjoy mowing.
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Post by: Dabnasty on June 01, 2018, 06:24:03 AM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

you don't water or mow it?

Water,  no, we get plenty of rain.

Mow, yeah, youíre right, Iíve gone through about one $3 gallon of gas this year.  $38, my bad.

You're also forgetting annual cost of the mower, mower maintenance, and opportunity cost for all of those monies :)



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Post by: slappy on June 01, 2018, 06:25:59 AM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

I love my lawn. I love to watch my 4 and 2 year old just wander around the lawn exploring. We have a backyard full of stuff for them, sandbox (hubby built), swingset (free), kozy coupe car (free) and they do play with that as well. But sometimes they just wander exploring the lawn, dandelions and trees at the edge of the yard. Its fun to watch them and wander what their little minds are thinking.
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Post by: slappy on June 01, 2018, 06:26:45 AM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

you don't water or mow it?

Water,  no, we get plenty of rain.

Mow, yeah, youíre right, Iíve gone through about one $3 gallon of gas this year.  $38, my bad.

You're also forgetting annual cost of the mower, mower maintenance, and opportunity cost for all of those monies :)

Our mower was $25 used and we replace the blade occasionally ($10?). 
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Post by: Dicey on June 01, 2018, 06:53:23 AM
I am still ridiculously happy to have discovered that the previous owner of our latest flip project left behind a new-ish push mower. It came with the $725k house, so...free? I guess that will depend on if we make money on the house, right?
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Post by: Chris22 on June 01, 2018, 08:38:41 AM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

you don't water or mow it?

Water,  no, we get plenty of rain.

Mow, yeah, youíre right, Iíve gone through about one $3 gallon of gas this year.  $38, my bad.

You're also forgetting annual cost of the mower, mower maintenance, and opportunity cost for all of those monies :)

10 years ago I received the mower as a housewarming gift from my inlaws. It cost $320 or so. Every year I pay Ace $10 to sharpen the blade.
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Post by: fuzzy math on June 01, 2018, 08:46:58 AM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

That's fabulous that you have a few bare spots. Most of my lawn is a bare spot and we've seeded twice. So yeah that gets time consuming and costly. I also have terrible grass allergies and my husband had surgery so I get to do all the lawn tasks this summer. Turns out he bought the wrong type of seed (fine feskew) and our lawn is going to die again next month and then I will have to re-seed a 3rd time in the fall.
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Post by: Chris22 on June 01, 2018, 08:49:54 AM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

That's fabulous that you have a few bare spots. Most of my lawn is a bare spot and we've seeded twice. So yeah that gets time consuming and costly. I also have terrible grass allergies and my husband had surgery so I get to do all the lawn tasks this summer. Turns out he bought the wrong type of seed (fine feskew) and our lawn is going to die again next month and then I will have to re-seed a 3rd time in the fall.

So I get FOR YOU why a lawn is bad and expensive, but can you se that isnít the case for most people?  If they donít share your highly specific circumstances the downsides arenít the same?
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 01, 2018, 08:54:42 AM
My Hub has the solution. He would like to concrete the whole yard and paint it green. Then he wants to cut down all the trees too so there will be no leaves to deal with in the fall.
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Post by: Dicey on June 01, 2018, 08:58:27 AM
My Hub has the solution. He would like to concrete the whole yard and paint it green. Then he wants to cut down all the trees too so there will be no leaves to deal with in the fall.
Pave paradise and put up a parking lot?
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Post by: FIRE@50 on June 01, 2018, 09:04:29 AM
I don't get lawns either. I'm very much in favor of a low maintenance wooded lot.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 01, 2018, 09:19:45 AM
My Hub has the solution. He would like to concrete the whole yard and paint it green. Then he wants to cut down all the trees too so there will be no leaves to deal with in the fall.
Pave paradise and put up a parking lot?

We wouldn't have enough money to pave the yard considering we are on an acre, but he likes to dream!
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Post by: ChpBstrd on June 01, 2018, 09:46:26 AM
Lawns became a part of the housing landscape when dog ownership became more common and the "greatest" generation was nostalgic about the "simpler" times when most people were small-time farmers. The market's solution to these emotions was to create fake mini-farms where the crop is grass and the livestock is a dog. People could then cultivate the grass and raise dogs while living a good distance from each other. Suburbs also served the function of maintaining racial segregation - which was otherwise breaking down by the 1950s and 60s - because at the time only the privledged classes could afford the large plots of land and high transportation costs associated with living this way. Being a fake mini farmer became a mark of class distinction - an exclusive club with a high fee at the door. Paying that cost is what people have been working for for decades.

That's where lawns came from.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 01, 2018, 09:55:53 AM
Sand and cactus yards sound desirable. Plus, I would like to have the entire inside of the house made of concrete, stainless steel with drains in the floor so all of it could be hosed down with water and the dirty water would swirl down the drain.
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Post by: OtherJen on June 01, 2018, 09:59:01 AM
Sand and cactus yards sound desirable. Plus, I would like to have the entire inside of the house made of concrete, stainless steel with drains in the floor so all of it could be hosed down with water and the dirty water would swirl down the drain.

You sound like my long-lost sister. Everyone else looks at me like I'm nuts when I say that I wish I could just hose down my entire house rather than fussing with dustcloths, brooms, mops, etc.

My parents have a small yard and replaced the entire back lawn with a patio and landscaping and half of the front yard with landscaping about 10 years ago. It takes my dad about 5 minutes to mow the front yard, and both parents spend hours tending flowers and enjoying the patio. It's pretty great.
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Post by: dustinst22 on June 01, 2018, 10:02:42 AM
Lawns became a part of the housing landscape when dog ownership became more common and the "greatest" generation was nostalgic about the "simpler" times when most people were small-time farmers. The market's solution to these emotions was to create fake mini-farms where the crop is grass and the livestock is a dog. People could then cultivate the grass and raise dogs while living a good distance from each other. Suburbs also served the function of maintaining racial segregation - which was otherwise breaking down by the 1950s and 60s - because at the time only the privledged classes could afford the large plots of land and high transportation costs associated with living this way. Being a fake mini farmer became a mark of class distinction - an exclusive club with a high fee at the door. Paying that cost is what people have been working for for decades.

That's where lawns came from.

Actually lawns have been around in Europe since the 16th century.
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Post by: RWD on June 01, 2018, 10:08:29 AM
https://earther.com/lawns-are-an-ecological-disaster-1826070720
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Post by: Proud Foot on June 01, 2018, 10:11:30 AM
Lawns became a part of the housing landscape when dog ownership became more common and the "greatest" generation was nostalgic about the "simpler" times when most people were small-time farmers. The market's solution to these emotions was to create fake mini-farms where the crop is grass and the livestock is a dog. People could then cultivate the grass and raise dogs while living a good distance from each other. Suburbs also served the function of maintaining racial segregation - which was otherwise breaking down by the 1950s and 60s - because at the time only the privledged classes could afford the large plots of land and high transportation costs associated with living this way. Being a fake mini farmer became a mark of class distinction - an exclusive club with a high fee at the door. Paying that cost is what people have been working for for decades.

That's where lawns came from.

Actually lawns have been around in Europe since the 16th century.

So funny the discussion on lawns is going on.  Freakonomics did a rebroadcast yesterday of their podcast How Stupid Is Our Obsession With Lawns  (http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-stupid-is-our-obsession-with-lawns-rebroadcast/)
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 01, 2018, 10:18:04 AM
https://earther.com/lawns-are-an-ecological-disaster-1826070720

We don't water or fertilize the lawn, or use pesticides or herbicides on it.  It's certainly never been seeded or aerated in the eight years where we've been living at our home.  I'd have to guess that it's pretty close to entirely native grasses at this point . . . or at least is composed of grasses that are perfectly adapted to the conditions we live in (there's a patch of it that is clover in one corner of the yard, and another patch that is mostly escaped chives/green onions in the other corner).  The lawn grows pretty quickly in the spring and fall and needs to be mowed once a week.  In the summer it can go two or three weeks between mowing depending on the heat and rain.  My lawn looks fine (although it's greener in the spring/fall and goes kinda brownish when we've got a particularly hot summer)

My point being that lawns don't have to be particularly high maintenance, expensive, or bad for the environment.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 01, 2018, 10:20:27 AM
Sand and cactus yards sound desirable. Plus, I would like to have the entire inside of the house made of concrete, stainless steel with drains in the floor so all of it could be hosed down with water and the dirty water would swirl down the drain.

You sound like my long-lost sister. Everyone else looks at me like I'm nuts when I say that I wish I could just hose down my entire house rather than fussing with dustcloths, brooms, mops, etc.

My parents have a small yard and replaced the entire back lawn with a patio and landscaping and half of the front yard with landscaping about 10 years ago. It takes my dad about 5 minutes to mow the front yard, and both parents spend hours tending flowers and enjoying the patio. It's pretty great.

Hahaha, OtherJen, we are soul sisters of the hosey house! Bring it on!
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Post by: OtherJen on June 01, 2018, 10:26:55 AM
(there's a patch of it that is clover in one corner of the yard, and another patch that is mostly escaped chives/green onions in the other corner). 

We planted a small clump of chives about 10 years ago. I'm pretty sure that about 20% of the backyard "grass" is now chives. It's an interesting smell when mixed with standard mowed grass aroma.
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 01, 2018, 10:35:00 AM
My policy is that if it's green, and underfoot it's lawn.  :P
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Post by: OtherJen on June 01, 2018, 10:39:23 AM
My policy is that if it's green, and underfoot it's lawn.  :P

Pretty much. Our yard is also infested with wild violets, but the leaves get mowed just like grass and occasionally we get a burst of pretty purple flowers. I'm okay with it.
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Post by: Travis on June 01, 2018, 11:30:35 AM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

That's fabulous that you have a few bare spots. Most of my lawn is a bare spot and we've seeded twice. So yeah that gets time consuming and costly. I also have terrible grass allergies and my husband had surgery so I get to do all the lawn tasks this summer. Turns out he bought the wrong type of seed (fine feskew) and our lawn is going to die again next month and then I will have to re-seed a 3rd time in the fall.

So I get FOR YOU why a lawn is bad and expensive, but can you se that isnít the case for most people?  If they donít share your highly specific circumstances the downsides arenít the same?

I just moved from CO, live currently in the Phoenix area, and Los Angeles is just across the border. NONE of these places should have lawns, yet there they are in significant quantities sucking up external sources of expensive water.  If you live in a place that gets a good amount of water year 'round and grass can grow naturally, then this complaint doesn't apply to you.
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Post by: jinga nation on June 01, 2018, 12:23:05 PM
Something "I don't get": older kids (and adults!) obsessed with Legos. Seems rather infantile in addition to the crazy high price and how uncomfortable they are to step on!!

Love me some Legos.  I'm not obsessed by any stretch, but I threw a $100 car Lego set on my Amazon wish list and my mother in law bought it for me as a Christmas gift, because she didn't know what else to get.  It was perfect.  I had fun putting it together, and now it sits on display on my dresser.  And I love elbowing my 6y/o daughter out of the way so I can assemble the Legos she gets for gifts.  I love to give Legos as gifts, they're generally played with more and better built/designed than so much other of the plastic crap that passes for toys these days.

+1. My kids and I fight for the Lego pail. I had Lego Technic as a kid. I still play with Lego as it keeps my mind busy. Sometimes I end up resolving work technical issues in my head while fiddling with Lego. It's a productive time passer, promotes creativity and thinking and planning ahead. And can be used and re-used, break down a build, start a new one.

If you get a chance, see Nathan Sawaya's work. http://www.brickartist.com/about-exhibition.html. I went to see "The Art of the Brick" exhibition last year when it was in town. Stupendous!

What I don't get is adults obsessed with going to baseball games, having ball-park food, and then sleeping most of the game. But then I didn't grow up with baseball, so what would I know?
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Post by: Dabnasty on June 01, 2018, 01:13:47 PM
My policy is that if it's green, and underfoot it's lawn.  :P

Pretty much. Our yard is also infested with wild violets, but the leaves get mowed just like grass and occasionally we get a burst of pretty purple flowers. I'm okay with it.

I've always thought of the manicured plots made for looking at as "lawns" and the grassy areas full of dandelions and onions that are good for playing sports and running around in as "yards". I don't know what the official designations are and there's certainly some overlap but that's how I use the words.
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Post by: ChpBstrd on June 01, 2018, 03:04:10 PM
https://earther.com/lawns-are-an-ecological-disaster-1826070720

We don't water or fertilize the lawn, or use pesticides or herbicides on it.  It's certainly never been seeded or aerated in the eight years where we've been living at our home.  I'd have to guess that it's pretty close to entirely native grasses at this point . . . or at least is composed of grasses that are perfectly adapted to the conditions we live in (there's a patch of it that is clover in one corner of the yard, and another patch that is mostly escaped chives/green onions in the other corner).  The lawn grows pretty quickly in the spring and fall and needs to be mowed once a week.  In the summer it can go two or three weeks between mowing depending on the heat and rain.  My lawn looks fine (although it's greener in the spring/fall and goes kinda brownish when we've got a particularly hot summer)

My point being that lawns don't have to be particularly high maintenance, expensive, or bad for the environment.
Same here, except mowers emit more noxious fumes than a modern car. Start a mower inside a closed garage and you could be dead in 5 minutes. The earth works the same way, it just takes longer.

The new $400 battery mowers are supposed to resolve this, but how much diesel was burned to mine the battery metals?

Now if you're using a reel mower, I bow down.
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Post by: pbkmaine on June 01, 2018, 06:29:08 PM
My Hub has the solution. He would like to concrete the whole yard and paint it green. Then he wants to cut down all the trees too so there will be no leaves to deal with in the fall.
Pave paradise and put up a parking lot?

With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swinging hot spot?
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Post by: Carrie on June 01, 2018, 06:49:23 PM
Our lawn serves a purpose by controlling erosion on our slopes but I like the  ground cover better. Greenery is nice for absorption of rainwater, less heat island effect, and playing/picnicking. Wish we didn't have to mow so often, but at least it's a workout.
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Post by: fuzzy math on June 01, 2018, 08:12:11 PM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.

Whatís this expensive noise?  I spent a grand total of $35 this year, $10 for some fertilizer and $25 for a little seed to fill in some bare spots. Thatís it.

That's fabulous that you have a few bare spots. Most of my lawn is a bare spot and we've seeded twice. So yeah that gets time consuming and costly. I also have terrible grass allergies and my husband had surgery so I get to do all the lawn tasks this summer. Turns out he bought the wrong type of seed (fine feskew) and our lawn is going to die again next month and then I will have to re-seed a 3rd time in the fall.

So I get FOR YOU why a lawn is bad and expensive, but can you se that isnít the case for most people?  If they donít share your highly specific circumstances the downsides arenít the same?

Dude, it's a rant. This is the I don't get it thread. If you get off from lawn maintenance more power to you, but I despise it. Its the epitome of keeping up with the Joneses.
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Post by: GreenEggs on June 01, 2018, 09:28:46 PM
I mow to keep the snakes away from the house. 
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Post by: Dicey on June 01, 2018, 11:48:29 PM
My Hub has the solution. He would like to concrete the whole yard and paint it green. Then he wants to cut down all the trees too so there will be no leaves to deal with in the fall.
Pave paradise and put up a parking lot?

With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swinging hot spot?
Don't it always seem to go...
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Post by: pbkmaine on June 02, 2018, 07:56:06 AM
My Hub has the solution. He would like to concrete the whole yard and paint it green. Then he wants to cut down all the trees too so there will be no leaves to deal with in the fall.
Pave paradise and put up a parking lot?

With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swinging hot spot?
Don't it always seem to go...

...that you don’t know what you want till it’s gone.

Love that song.
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Post by: PoutineLover on June 02, 2018, 09:40:20 AM
My Hub has the solution. He would like to concrete the whole yard and paint it green. Then he wants to cut down all the trees too so there will be no leaves to deal with in the fall.
Pave paradise and put up a parking lot?

With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swinging hot spot?
Don't it always seem to go...

...that you donít know what you want till itís gone.

Love that song.
My mom has been singing that song all week, so funny that it would come up here too. Love it.
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Post by: Dicey on June 02, 2018, 10:18:34 AM
My Hub has the solution. He would like to concrete the whole yard and paint it green. Then he wants to cut down all the trees too so there will be no leaves to deal with in the fall.
Pave paradise and put up a parking lot?

With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swinging hot spot?
Don't it always seem to go...

...that you donít know what you want till itís gone.

Love that song.
My mom has been singing that song all week, so funny that it would come up here too. Love it.
<3
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Post by: NorCal on June 02, 2018, 10:36:00 AM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.
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Post by: Adam Zapple on June 02, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I also don't understand how some people seem to agree with every position those on their "side" take.
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Post by: Imma on June 03, 2018, 07:45:02 AM
https://earther.com/lawns-are-an-ecological-disaster-1826070720

If this article is true, I'm really curious what American lawns look like. Because I have never seen anything like this article describes in real life.

In my area, the local governments are pleading with people to replace paved yards with grass, because the amount of rain is increasing and with all these modern paved backyards the rain has nowhere to go. Obviously it's insane to try to grow a lawn in the desert, but that's a different problem.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 03, 2018, 08:12:20 AM
Things I don't get:

Why do people tailgate? Don't they know it is dangerous not to mention STUPID?

Why do people purposely run a red light  when they have plenty of time to stop? Don't they realize they could kill someone OR get killed?

Why do people have to go from one lane to another passing one car at a time to try to beat the traffic when it is practically bumper to bumper and could cause an accident OR get killed.

Why do people HAVE to talk on their cell phones as soon as they get behind the wheel? They are swerving all over the place and in the opposite lane and almost smashing into other cars head on.

Doesn't anyone follow any rules of the road anymore?


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Post by: Sojourner on June 03, 2018, 09:44:10 AM
Things I don't get:

Why do people tailgate? Don't they know it is dangerous not to mention STUPID?

Why do people purposely run a red light  when they have plenty of time to stop? Don't they realize they could kill someone OR get killed?

Why do people have from one lane to another passing one car at a time to try to beat the traffic when it is practically bumper to bumper and could cause an accident OR get killed.

Why do people HAVE to talk on their cell phones as soon as they get behind the wheel? They are swerving all over the place and in the opposite lane and almost smashing into other cars head on.

Doesn't anyone follow any rules of the road anymore?

I agree with your list.  The people that drive like this, tailgating, no turn signals, cutting off, speeding up to the next car then doing it again and again...I think they drive like this all the time, never realizing the only reason they can do this is because most others are not.  What if everyone drove this way?  The highways would be an undriveable blood bath.  How much earlier are they actually arriving at their destination having endangered all those other people, a few minutes?

Here, cell phone use while driving is illegal.  You can't even use it while stopped at a traffic light.  Yet, I'd estimate about half of people are on the phone.  Often, blatantly.   They are being stared at, honked at, but they seem oblivious.  The accident rate has risen 35% I recall hearing.  They do things like drift into other lanes, or travel at 40mph while others are going 65.  Or sit at green lights oblivious to what's going on around them.

The other day while visiting a relative in the hospital, they transferred in a young woman into the next bed over, who had been in the ICU for a month, according to the nurses.  She had driven right off an overpass, jumped the guardrail and smashed into the ground below.  There was also her child in the car who I think survived.  Texting.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 03, 2018, 10:24:44 AM
Things I don't get:

Why do people tailgate? Don't they know it is dangerous not to mention STUPID?

Why do people purposely run a red light  when they have plenty of time to stop? Don't they realize they could kill someone OR get killed?

Why do people have to go from one lane to another passing one car at a time to try to beat the traffic when it is practically bumper to bumper and could cause an accident OR get killed.

Why do people HAVE to talk on their cell phones as soon as they get behind the wheel? They are swerving all over the place and in the opposite lane and almost smashing into other cars head on.

Doesn't anyone follow any rules of the road anymore?


There isn't one time I leave the house to go anywhere that something on this list doesn't happen. One day I was in the right lane stopped at a red light and had been there for several seconds when a car came flying by probably 60 MPH in the left lane thru the red light. He had no intention of stopping. In my state it is also against the law to use the cell phone while driving but seems just about everyone is on them. WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT that they can't pull over off the road and talk then get off of the phone and resume driving. Is the end of the world going to occur if they can't fondle their phones every second of the day?

As far as tailgating goes, WHY??? Driving is dangerous to begin with. Why would you want to tailgate. It must take great skill to be two inches from a person's bumper and not crash. Why can't they just turn on some music and chill out and stay back where they belong.

I live on a road that the speed limit is 30 MPH. There is one part it goes up to 35 MPH. Almost no one goes 30 but if you are going 35 or 38 and someone is tailgating, how fast do they want you to go? You are already exceeding the speed limit.

Another thing, where are the cops when all this crap is happening? Never, ever see one pulling anyone over for this stuff.

I am almost looking forward to cars that drive themselves and that scares me to death!
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Post by: Sojourner on June 03, 2018, 11:12:58 AM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 03, 2018, 11:36:51 AM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.


That mentality I don't get either.

One day on the road I live on I was headed over to another town about 7 miles down the road. This road is a state road and is very well maintained but is a country road and extremely windy and hilly. So, I am on my way back home on this road and there is one passing zone on a straight section. This person passes me and I am happy about that, however, this road I mentioned is 30 MPH and this person had to be going at least 60 MPH! This road is very dangerous and only two lanes. Full of hills and bad curves. I have no idea how this jerk drove that fast and was out of sight in no time. A lot of people's driveways go right into this road. There is no way the jerk could have stopped. Plus, years ago, they used to herd cows down this road and they have the right of way. I could just see this maniac plowing into the herd and cows flying in the air.

Funny, in the driving manual I used to take my driving license it didn't mention to tailgate and flash headlights to alert the driver in the front of you to get out of the way.

Another thing that must be a NEW thing is that when my Spouse was still working he went on the interstate every day. Well, several times he would be driving in the wee hours of the morning and all of a sudden would hear something. Well, the something was a car on the interstate with no headlights on when it was pitch black. How STUPID is that?

Please tell me what is wrong with people? Have they all turned into zombies and their brains rotted out of their skulls?
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Post by: iluvzbeach on June 03, 2018, 12:21:06 PM
Lawns. They're awful, expensive and largely pointless. Buy chemicals, water, mow. All for the privilege of having y9ur neighbors critique how well you use chemicals, water and mow.
We replaced our lawn with slate chips last year. It looks awesome, and it wasn't terribly expensive, especially compared to other non-grass options.

@Dicey I would love to see a pic of the slate chips. Any chance you can PM one to me? Weíre trying to get rid of bark mulch because of the fire risk. Thx.
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Post by: jimmyshutter on June 03, 2018, 01:10:54 PM
Facebook although I kind of get it.

I had an account about 6 years ago and it was fun for about 3 months until I realized what a waste of time it was for me. I see some uses for it but I also see people who are on it for hours and hours and I just don't get it. lol
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Post by: BikeFanatic on June 03, 2018, 01:16:56 PM
Slate chips < I too want to see a pic.
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 03, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.

If someone's tailgating you, just let your foot off the accelerator and wait a few seconds.  The person will invariably pass you in a huff.  They get to feel like they showed you who was boss, you get to go on your way safely.  Everyone wins.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 03, 2018, 03:48:11 PM
When I get tailgated I usually slow down but they never seem to pass me. Then when I approach my driveway I slow down a long way before I reach the driveway and go like 5 MPH in a 30 MPH limit.
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Post by: EricL on June 03, 2018, 03:55:48 PM
It occurred to me when I still had a car I couldnít remember the last asshole thing somebody did to me on the road for longer than a year.  Not a singe detail about what they looked like or their car make, model, or color.   Even after a couple months it became fuzzy.  That went a long way to curing my road rage.
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Post by: Sojourner on June 03, 2018, 05:18:32 PM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.

If someone's tailgating you, just let your foot off the accelerator and wait a few seconds.  The person will invariably pass you in a huff.  They get to feel like they showed you who was boss, you get to go on your way safely.  Everyone wins.

At this point in my long driving career (zero tickets/accidents...knock on wood), I don't even antagonize by slowing, I just move over when I can.  Put my turn signal to let them know I'm yielding way when it's safe.  I've done all the other stuff out of frustration like decelerating, braking, the middle finger, waiting for them to pass and then speeding up so they encounter the next car over and realize they have to return to the original lane (these people will maneuver unsafely just to gain a car length), etc.   No more of that.  I see them coming and just let them do their thing that makes them happy, then watch as they do the same to the next car, then the next...and just SMH wondering what could possibly be up their ass that makes them drive this way.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 04, 2018, 04:31:25 AM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.

If someone's tailgating you, just let your foot off the accelerator and wait a few seconds.  The person will invariably pass you in a huff.  They get to feel like they showed you who was boss, you get to go on your way safely.  Everyone wins.

At this point in my long driving career (zero tickets/accidents...knock on wood), I don't even antagonize by slowing, I just move over when I can.  Put my turn signal to let them know I'm yielding way when it's safe.  I've done all the other stuff out of frustration like decelerating, braking, the middle finger, waiting for them to pass and then speeding up so they encounter the next car over and realize they have to return to the original lane (these people will maneuver unsafely just to gain a car length), etc.   No more of that.  I see them coming and just let them do their thing that makes them happy, then watch as they do the same to the next car, then the next...and just SMH wondering what could possibly be up their ass that makes them drive this way.


You are so right. I have done all that you have mentioned. It gets you nowhere. I would like to know these people's problems! Then when they have an accident we are supposed to feel sorry for them getting in a tragic accident. Nope, not me. I feel sorry for the other person the tailgater hit.
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Post by: Dabnasty on June 04, 2018, 06:44:43 AM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.

If someone's tailgating you, just let your foot off the accelerator and wait a few seconds.  The person will invariably pass you in a huff.  They get to feel like they showed you who was boss, you get to go on your way safely.  Everyone wins.

At this point in my long driving career (zero tickets/accidents...knock on wood), I don't even antagonize by slowing, I just move over when I can.  Put my turn signal to let them know I'm yielding way when it's safe.  I've done all the other stuff out of frustration like decelerating, braking, the middle finger, waiting for them to pass and then speeding up so they encounter the next car over and realize they have to return to the original lane (these people will maneuver unsafely just to gain a car length), etc.   No more of that.  I see them coming and just let them do their thing that makes them happy, then watch as they do the same to the next car, then the next...and just SMH wondering what could possibly be up their ass that makes them drive this way.

You mentioned German sports cars, were some of these people perhaps German? I've heard (from someone who lived in Germany maybe 30 years ago) that the norm on German roads is to always be in the right lane unless you're actively passing. Tailgating and flashing stills seems like a bit much but maybe they view the offense as more egregious?

Sucking it up is probably the safest thing. When I first started driving I thought it was funny to put on my turning signal, wait until they back off a bit, then turn it back off. Then one night I did this to someone in a jeep who was super aggressive, right on top of me going 60mph on back roads with no one else around, and surprise surprise, that made it worse. They got on me again and followed me home. They pulled up beside me a few times, maybe to make hand gestures but I never looked. Stands to reason that anyone who tailgates is more likely than average to also have road rage issues.
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Post by: dignam on June 04, 2018, 06:59:37 AM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.

At the risk of turning this into a driving rant thread; what those said to you may have a point (although I can't say for sure because obviously I've never seen you drive). 

Just because you're already speeding doesn't mean you aren't impeding traffic flow.  The USA has an epidemic of people who do not use lane etiquette.  The left lane is NOT the "fast" lane.  It's the passing lane.  "Fast" is entirely subjective; one person's 5 mph over the limit may seem fast, but may be a crawl to the line of cars behind them.  If you are not actively passing someone while in the left lane, you are the problem.  Once finished, move over.  Admittedly I drive 10-12 mph over the limit on the highway (school zones, res areas I do the limit, no more).  I still move over after passing; there's always someone who goes faster than me.
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 04, 2018, 07:34:08 AM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.

If someone's tailgating you, just let your foot off the accelerator and wait a few seconds.  The person will invariably pass you in a huff.  They get to feel like they showed you who was boss, you get to go on your way safely.  Everyone wins.

At this point in my long driving career (zero tickets/accidents...knock on wood), I don't even antagonize by slowing, I just move over when I can.  Put my turn signal to let them know I'm yielding way when it's safe.  I've done all the other stuff out of frustration like decelerating, braking, the middle finger, waiting for them to pass and then speeding up so they encounter the next car over and realize they have to return to the original lane (these people will maneuver unsafely just to gain a car length), etc.   No more of that.  I see them coming and just let them do their thing that makes them happy, then watch as they do the same to the next car, then the next...and just SMH wondering what could possibly be up their ass that makes them drive this way.

What I mentioned isn't done to antagonize.  It's done to create a safer driving situation when you're driving safely in the right hand lane.  I want to make it as easy as possible for the person tailgating to get out of my life.  You're supposed to drive on the right hand side of the road unless passing, so it goes without saying that your action should always be to 'move over when you can' regardless of what any vehicles behind you are doing.
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Post by: SwordGuy on June 04, 2018, 07:42:43 AM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?   
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Post by: mm1970 on June 04, 2018, 08:11:55 AM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?
I think a lot of people are unable (unwilling?) to put themselves in other people's shoes.  They are either sheltered enough, or self-absorbed enough, or inexperienced enough that it doesn't occur to them.

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Post by: Dances With Fire on June 04, 2018, 09:10:42 AM
Things I don't get:

Why do people tailgate? Don't they know it is dangerous not to mention STUPID?

Why do people purposely run a red light  when they have plenty of time to stop? Don't they realize they could kill someone OR get killed?

Why do people have to go from one lane to another passing one car at a time to try to beat the traffic when it is practically bumper to bumper and could cause an accident OR get killed.

Why do people HAVE to talk on their cell phones as soon as they get behind the wheel? They are swerving all over the place and in the opposite lane and almost smashing into other cars head on.

Doesn't anyone follow any rules of the road anymore?

+1 I too wish drivers would be a bit more courteous, respectful, and safer towards each other.

Recent studies have shown that the longer the commute, the more unhappy people have become. More people, more traffic, more time on the road, less time for family and other activities.
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Post by: FIRE@50 on June 04, 2018, 09:32:41 AM
I would like to address the other side of the driving spectrum. The people who are clearly afraid to be driving on the highway. They refuse to drive in the right lane because they don't want to have to merge with others getting on and off the highway. All of this while driving well below the speed limit. Why don't they just take an alternate route? I don't get it.

Also, I spent two weeks in Germany a few years ago. If you are driving slowly in the left lane of a highway with no speed limit, you are a major safety hazard. That car coming up behind you at 150 mph isn't going to have time to safely slow down behind you. Also, Germans by nature are strict rule followers. They will certainly be annoyed by your lack of lane discipline and not using your turn signal. This is something I absolutely do get. I am of German descent however...
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 04, 2018, 09:39:32 AM
I would like to address the other side of the driving spectrum. The people who are clearly afraid to be driving on the highway. They refuse to drive in the right lane because they don't want to have to merge with others getting on and off the highway. All of this while driving well below the speed limit. Why don't they just take an alternate route? I don't get it.



I do agree with you that there are overly cautious drivers, and that the passing lane should be used for passing . . . not just hanging around in mile after mile.

One part of your post though:
Also, I spent two weeks in Germany a few years ago. If you are driving slowly in the left lane of a highway with no speed limit, you are a major safety hazard. That car coming up behind you at 150 mph isn't going to have time to safely slow down behind you. Also, Germans by nature are strict rule followers. They will certainly be annoyed by your lack of lane discipline and not using your turn signal. This is something I absolutely do get. I am of German descent however...

If a driver is operating a vehicle beyond his ability to do so safely, he is the one who is driving unsafely.  Unexpected events happen on roads.  Trees fall, landslides happen, mud and snow covers lanes, vehicles stall, etc.  If a car is driving at 150 mph and doesn't have time to slow down for a vehicle in front (much less come to a complete stop as would be necessary for many situations) that driver is pretty clearly not in control of his vehicle.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Sojourner on June 04, 2018, 09:41:29 AM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.

At the risk of turning this into a driving rant thread; what those said to you may have a point (although I can't say for sure because obviously I've never seen you drive). 

Just because you're already speeding doesn't mean you aren't impeding traffic flow.  The USA has an epidemic of people who do not use lane etiquette.  The left lane is NOT the "fast" lane.  It's the passing lane.  "Fast" is entirely subjective; one person's 5 mph over the limit may seem fast, but may be a crawl to the line of cars behind them.  If you are not actively passing someone while in the left lane, you are the problem.  Once finished, move over.  Admittedly I drive 10-12 mph over the limit on the highway (school zones, res areas I do the limit, no more).  I still move over after passing; there's always someone who goes faster than me.

Umm...yeah, I know about etiquette, traffic flow, and what passing lanes and right lanes are for.  But thanks for the driving lesson.

Also, taking your foot off the accelerator while someone is on your bumper, regardless of what lane you're in, whether they are German or otherwise, will typically antagonize them regardless of whether your intent is to put them "in a huff" to "create a safer driving situation", as Guitarstv says.  These people are likely prone to road rage, as someone mentioned.  Whatever the thing up their ass is (e.g., "I drive XX mph over the speed limit unless I'm in a school zone"), it's usually best to just safely avoid them.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: ChpBstrd on June 04, 2018, 12:34:12 PM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.

At the risk of turning this into a driving rant thread; what those said to you may have a point (although I can't say for sure because obviously I've never seen you drive). 

Just because you're already speeding doesn't mean you aren't impeding traffic flow.  The USA has an epidemic of people who do not use lane etiquette.  The left lane is NOT the "fast" lane.  It's the passing lane.  "Fast" is entirely subjective; one person's 5 mph over the limit may seem fast, but may be a crawl to the line of cars behind them.  If you are not actively passing someone while in the left lane, you are the problem.  Once finished, move over.  Admittedly I drive 10-12 mph over the limit on the highway (school zones, res areas I do the limit, no more).  I still move over after passing; there's always someone who goes faster than me.

Umm...yeah, I know about etiquette, traffic flow, and what passing lanes and right lanes are for.  But thanks for the driving lesson.

Also, taking your foot off the accelerator while someone is on your bumper, regardless of what lane you're in, whether they are German or otherwise, will typically antagonize them regardless of whether your intent is to put them "in a huff" to "create a safer driving situation", as Guitarstv says.  These people are likely prone to road rage, as someone mentioned.  Whatever the thing up their ass is (e.g., "I drive XX mph over the speed limit unless I'm in a school zone"), it's usually best to just safely avoid them.
So, speeding is a crime that routinely results in dead people.

Why exactly should I help someone commit a potentially deadly crime?

Suppose I'm in a bank, and a bank employee sees someone walking across the parking lot with a gun. Thinking quickly, they lock the door. I walk over and unlock the door, letting the bank robber in. Am I aiding the bank robber in the commission of a crime that might result in the deaths of bystanders?

How is enabling speeding any different? Why encourage illegal tailgating by breaking the speed limit yourself?

I drive just over the speed limit unless I'm slowing down for tailgaters. F'em.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: FIRE@50 on June 04, 2018, 12:40:20 PM
Changing lanes is statistically more dangerous than speeding. The person driving slowly in the left lane, which forces others to change lanes to pass them, is the one causing the accidents.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: FIRE@50 on June 04, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
I would like to address the other side of the driving spectrum. The people who are clearly afraid to be driving on the highway. They refuse to drive in the right lane because they don't want to have to merge with others getting on and off the highway. All of this while driving well below the speed limit. Why don't they just take an alternate route? I don't get it.



I do agree with you that there are overly cautious drivers, and that the passing lane should be used for passing . . . not just hanging around in mile after mile.

One part of your post though:
Also, I spent two weeks in Germany a few years ago. If you are driving slowly in the left lane of a highway with no speed limit, you are a major safety hazard. That car coming up behind you at 150 mph isn't going to have time to safely slow down behind you. Also, Germans by nature are strict rule followers. They will certainly be annoyed by your lack of lane discipline and not using your turn signal. This is something I absolutely do get. I am of German descent however...

If a driver is operating a vehicle beyond his ability to do so safely, he is the one who is driving unsafely.  Unexpected events happen on roads.  Trees fall, landslides happen, mud and snow covers lanes, vehicles stall, etc.  If a car is driving at 150 mph and doesn't have time to slow down for a vehicle in front (much less come to a complete stop as would be necessary for many situations) that driver is pretty clearly not in control of his vehicle.

Couldn't these things happen at virtually any speed though? I guess you are really just making an argument for speed limits in general as opposed to defending the person driving too slow in the left lane?
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Post by: PoutineLover on June 04, 2018, 12:51:16 PM
Speaking of terrible drivers, I also hate the ones who pull into intersections when they can't leave the other side due to traffic. Where do they think they are they going? How did they get so entitled that they will block an entire light cycle for cross traffic so they can be 5 feet further ahead and still not be any closer to their destination? I don't get it.
And also, left lane is for passing only! I even got docked on my driving test for making a left turn into the left lane and not moving over to the right as soon as I could.  I don't care if you don't like changing lanes, if you can't do it safely you probably shouldn't be driving. Tailgaters are shitty, and they deserve whatever speeding tickets they get, but you disrupt the whole flow of traffic when you hog the left lane.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: RWD on June 04, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
Traffic simulator (move the "Right Bias Cars" slider to the left to simulate slow drivers in the passing lane):
http://www.traffic-simulation.de/index.html
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: mak1277 on June 04, 2018, 01:06:08 PM

So, speeding is a crime that routinely results in dead people.


I think this is one of the biggest exaggerations I've ever read.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GuitarStv on June 04, 2018, 01:29:44 PM
I would like to address the other side of the driving spectrum. The people who are clearly afraid to be driving on the highway. They refuse to drive in the right lane because they don't want to have to merge with others getting on and off the highway. All of this while driving well below the speed limit. Why don't they just take an alternate route? I don't get it.



I do agree with you that there are overly cautious drivers, and that the passing lane should be used for passing . . . not just hanging around in mile after mile.

One part of your post though:
Also, I spent two weeks in Germany a few years ago. If you are driving slowly in the left lane of a highway with no speed limit, you are a major safety hazard. That car coming up behind you at 150 mph isn't going to have time to safely slow down behind you. Also, Germans by nature are strict rule followers. They will certainly be annoyed by your lack of lane discipline and not using your turn signal. This is something I absolutely do get. I am of German descent however...

If a driver is operating a vehicle beyond his ability to do so safely, he is the one who is driving unsafely.  Unexpected events happen on roads.  Trees fall, landslides happen, mud and snow covers lanes, vehicles stall, etc.  If a car is driving at 150 mph and doesn't have time to slow down for a vehicle in front (much less come to a complete stop as would be necessary for many situations) that driver is pretty clearly not in control of his vehicle.

Couldn't these things happen at virtually any speed though?


Yes.  You could come to a tree fallen across the road when you're travelling at any speed.  As the operator of an automobile it is your responsibility to drive in such a manner that you would be able to avoid this obstacle safely.



I guess you are really just making an argument for speed limits in general

No, not at all.  I have no problem with people speeding.  My argument is that you should never drive unsafely.  If you come around a corner and can't see what's on the other side, then it's up to you as a responsible operator to reduce your speed to the point that you could safely stop in case of an emergency.  If you are driving so quickly that you cannot safely control your vehicle when encountering slower moving traffic is on the road, then you are unable to control your vehicle at that speed.  Speed if you want, but don't drive beyond your ability.

Speed itself is not the problem, it's speeding in combination with unsafe driving.


as opposed to defending the person driving too slow in the left lane?

I'm not defending anyone driving too slow in the left . . . nobody should be driving in the left lane unless he or she is passing someone going even slower in the right.  Being in the left lane and going slower than traffic in the right should be a ticketable offense.

Here's how things should work on a four lane (two in each direction) highway:
1 - Driver A is moving along in the right lane at 5 over the speed limit.
2 - Driver B is moving along in the right lane ahead of driver A at the speed limit.
3 - Driver A moves over to the left lane when it's safe to do so, accelerates slightly, and passes driver B.
4 - Driver A moves back to the right lane ahead of Driver B.

That's it.

If Driver C is zipping along the at 10 over the speed limit he should be in the right hand lane except to pass.  If Driver C approaches slow moving B while A iis n the left hand lane, then C needs to change lanes safely, and then reduce speed to proceed safely . . . and should pass A once A has completed his pass.  This isn't rocket science.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: NoraLenderbee on June 04, 2018, 01:57:05 PM
When I'm being tailgated, I tap the brake pedal 3 times. That usually gets the tailgater to back off or change lanes without any horn honking or middle fingers.

I don't get this fixation on going at the highest possible speed--or rather, on the "injustice" of not being able to go as fast as possible in the left lane. There is no God-given right to go as fast as you can. The speed limit is not a minimum speed. 

Changing lanes is statistically more dangerous than speeding. The person driving slowly in the left lane, which forces others to change lanes to pass them, is the one causing the accidents.

Oh, bullshit. The drivers who choose to make an unsafe pass are the ones causing the accident. They are responsible for their behavior, even when they are provoked by some little old lady driving slowly in her Cadillac.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: dignam on June 04, 2018, 01:58:33 PM
Regarding tailgating...

Decades ago I used to participate on a forum with topic fancypants German sports cars.  I once brought up the problem of tailgating.  Why do people feel the need.  I was promptly scolded by apparent habitual tailgaters.  They argued they do it to pressure the driver ahead, including flashing their headlights, to get out of their way.  Well, I'm already speeding in this lane, and it's not like I can just readily move over because of traffic, so why are you still on my ass?  They piled on saying I was the problem.  They are more special than the rest of us, you see.  You are just borrowing THEIR highway.  They have places to go and people to see.

That mentality I don't get.

At the risk of turning this into a driving rant thread; what those said to you may have a point (although I can't say for sure because obviously I've never seen you drive). 

Just because you're already speeding doesn't mean you aren't impeding traffic flow.  The USA has an epidemic of people who do not use lane etiquette.  The left lane is NOT the "fast" lane.  It's the passing lane.  "Fast" is entirely subjective; one person's 5 mph over the limit may seem fast, but may be a crawl to the line of cars behind them.  If you are not actively passing someone while in the left lane, you are the problem.  Once finished, move over.  Admittedly I drive 10-12 mph over the limit on the highway (school zones, res areas I do the limit, no more).  I still move over after passing; there's always someone who goes faster than me.

Umm...yeah, I know about etiquette, traffic flow, and what passing lanes and right lanes are for.  But thanks for the driving lesson.

Also, taking your foot off the accelerator while someone is on your bumper, regardless of what lane you're in, whether they are German or otherwise, will typically antagonize them regardless of whether your intent is to put them "in a huff" to "create a safer driving situation", as Guitarstv says.  These people are likely prone to road rage, as someone mentioned.  Whatever the thing up their ass is (e.g., "I drive XX mph over the speed limit unless I'm in a school zone"), it's usually best to just safely avoid them.

It wasn't specifically directed at you, but you're welcome.

Lane changes are by far more hazardous than speeding.  Slow drivers in the left lane force lane changes and unsafe passing on the right.  It is not your responsibility to enforce the law by driving slowly in the left lane, there are cops for that (note again I am not specifically directing this at you, this is a rant thread).  I, and the majority of drivers risk a ticket each time we drive 1mph over the limit. 

I will agree though that tailgating is almost always dangerous and stupid.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: BookLoverL on June 04, 2018, 02:00:48 PM
My thoughts on tailgating/speeding:

Being tailgated is no fun because it puts you under pressure and means that you're more likely to make mistakes, simply because this other driver is up your bum.
Unless you are an ambulance driver or something, you have no need to tailgate/go a huge amount faster than the speed limit anyway, because, well, whatever is at the other end of your journey is really not that vital.
HOWEVER, in the interests of practicality, if you are being tailgated then it's best to allow the tailgater to pass you at a relatively safe point, because then they are Far Away From You and whatever accident they cause won't involve you.

Breaking the arbitrary speed limits set by the law is not inherently bad or idiotic, but when you decide what speed to go at, you should consider these things:

a) How fast are the cars around you driving? Drive 10mph slower than everyone else, especially on a road without many lanes, and you'll become the head of a queue of increasingly frustrated cars that might try to overtake you dangerously. Drive too fast and you'll just have to pull up short a quarter mile further up the road.

b) What is your safe stopping distance? Preferably without having to jam the brakes on and give everyone in your car whiplash. Regardless of the speed limit, it's incredibly foolish to drive so fast that if a hazard (kid/cow/bicycle in road, somebody else crashed up ahead, portal to a parallel dimension appeared, whatever) appeared at the farthest away point that you can see, you could not stop before you reach it. This is why it is much safer to drive at 80mph on a wide, straight motorway/highway than on some tiny rural back road that's incredibly narrow with tall hedges and 6513515 twists and turns. I drive at 20mph on the second of those, even though most of them are technically national speed limit here in England. (For those of you that don't know what that means, that means I could TECHNICALLY legally go at 60mph on the road I live off, despite it being a steep slope with a large number of blind bends that occasionally features horses, cyclists, wide vehicles coming the other way, and even the occasional deer. Legal =/= sensible when it comes to driving.)

c) How efficient is it to go at that speed? I think it's actually more fuel efficient to travel at 55mph than at 70mph, and if you're coming up to some traffic lights (stoplights?), then if you slow down gradually and smoothly from further away, they might have changed by the time you get there and you won't even have to stop, whereas if you whiz up to the line while they're on red then you'll have to brake hard and go right down to first gear.

So yeah, I don't get why the tailgating types need to go quite so fast. But ultimately, how I respond to them is nothing to do with being right or making them have a particular feeling, but is instead to do with making sure I am safe from their idiotic behaviour.
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 04, 2018, 02:07:01 PM
My thoughts on tailgating/speeding:

Being tailgated is no fun because it puts you under pressure and means that you're more likely to make mistakes, simply because this other driver is up your bum.
Unless you are an ambulance driver or something, you have no need to tailgate/go a huge amount faster than the speed limit anyway, because, well, whatever is at the other end of your journey is really not that vital.
HOWEVER, in the interests of practicality, if you are being tailgated then it's best to allow the tailgater to pass you at a relatively safe point, because then they are Far Away From You and whatever accident they cause won't involve you.

Breaking the arbitrary speed limits set by the law is not inherently bad or idiotic, but when you decide what speed to go at, you should consider these things:

a) How fast are the cars around you driving? Drive 10mph slower than everyone else, especially on a road without many lanes, and you'll become the head of a queue of increasingly frustrated cars that might try to overtake you dangerously. Drive too fast and you'll just have to pull up short a quarter mile further up the road.

b) What is your safe stopping distance? Preferably without having to jam the brakes on and give everyone in your car whiplash. Regardless of the speed limit, it's incredibly foolish to drive so fast that if a hazard (kid/cow/bicycle in road, somebody else crashed up ahead, portal to a parallel dimension appeared, whatever) appeared at the farthest away point that you can see, you could not stop before you reach it. This is why it is much safer to drive at 80mph on a wide, straight motorway/highway than on some tiny rural back road that's incredibly narrow with tall hedges and 6513515 twists and turns. I drive at 20mph on the second of those, even though most of them are technically national speed limit here in England. (For those of you that don't know what that means, that means I could TECHNICALLY legally go at 60mph on the road I live off, despite it being a steep slope with a large number of blind bends that occasionally features horses, cyclists, wide vehicles coming the other way, and even the occasional deer. Legal =/= sensible when it comes to driving.)

c) How efficient is it to go at that speed? I think it's actually more fuel efficient to travel at 55mph than at 70mph, and if you're coming up to some traffic lights (stoplights?), then if you slow down gradually and smoothly from further away, they might have changed by the time you get there and you won't even have to stop, whereas if you whiz up to the line while they're on red then you'll have to brake hard and go right down to first gear.

So yeah, I don't get why the tailgating types need to go quite so fast. But ultimately, how I respond to them is nothing to do with being right or making them have a particular feeling, but is instead to do with making sure I am safe from their idiotic behaviour.

+1 on pretty much all points.

That's why I mentioned letting off the accelerator when you're being tailgated.  You're driving safely, so you're in the right hand lane.  By gradually reducing your speed you're guaranteeing that this person will pass you and be out of your life.  No need for brake checking him (dangerous), or getting nervous/upset.  Just gradually reduce the pressure of the situation until it goes away.
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Post by: FIRE@50 on June 04, 2018, 02:11:02 PM
When I'm being tailgated, I tap the brake pedal 3 times. That usually gets the tailgater to back off or change lanes without any horn honking or middle fingers.

I don't get this fixation on going at the highest possible speed--or rather, on the "injustice" of not being able to go as fast as possible in the left lane. There is no God-given right to go as fast as you can. The speed limit is not a minimum speed. 

Changing lanes is statistically more dangerous than speeding. The person driving slowly in the left lane, which forces others to change lanes to pass them, is the one causing the accidents.

Oh, bullshit. The drivers who choose to make an unsafe pass are the ones causing the accident. They are responsible for their behavior, even when they are provoked by some little old lady driving slowly in her Cadillac.

It is okay if you don't see the injustice of people wanting you to get out of the way because you are disrupting the flow of traffic, but in many cases you would be in violation of the law enacted by democratically elected officials.

https://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5804590/why-you-shouldnt-drive-slowly-in-the-left-lane

Perhaps a grassroots campaign to overturn these unjust laws is in order? Can't wait to hear the slogans.
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Post by: dignam on June 04, 2018, 02:11:39 PM
One more point - Germany seems to have figured out the unrestricted speed thing pretty well.  IIRC, there are only a few US states with lower accident rates than Germany's Autobahn.  Granted part of it is much more strict licensing and inspection, which I am 100% in favor for in the states.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 04, 2018, 02:15:38 PM
I live on a two lane State road with a 30 MPH speed limit. I personally don't mind people going somewhat faster than the speed limit, but I do despise tailgating. We also have deer, bears, wild turkeys and an occasional cow that gets loose from a pasture sometimes. My road is considered a 'scenic' road and motorcycles drive on this road spring, summer and fall. Most times they are loud and annoying but then there are the rogue drivers that have to be going 70 miles and hour. I always wonder what they would do if they encountered some wildlife while going so fast. I read in the news that last weekend a motorcycle driver and passenger had an encounter with a bear. The motorcycle wiped out and had to be towed away. The driver and passenger had to be taken to the hospital. They weren't on my road but nearby.
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 04, 2018, 02:19:59 PM
One more point - Germany seems to have figured out the unrestricted speed thing pretty well.  IIRC, there are only a few US states with lower accident rates than Germany's Autobahn.  Granted part of it is much more strict licensing and inspection, which I am 100% in favor for in the states.

Didn't Montana have no speed limit for the longest time?
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Post by: RWD on June 04, 2018, 02:29:50 PM
One more point - Germany seems to have figured out the unrestricted speed thing pretty well.  IIRC, there are only a few US states with lower accident rates than Germany's Autobahn.  Granted part of it is much more strict licensing and inspection, which I am 100% in favor for in the states.

Didn't Montana have no speed limit for the longest time?

Yes, until 1999 (though you could still get a ticket for speeding):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States_by_jurisdiction#Reasonable_and_prudent

See also, on safety:
http://staged.mediatrackers.org/2014/12/02/montanas-speed-limit-make-highways-safer/
Quote
ďThe [NMA] study shows the safest period on Montanaís Interstate highways was when there were no daytime speed limits or enforceable speed laws,Ē NMA stated in 2001. ďThe doubling of fatal accidents occurred after Montana implemented its new safety program; complete with federal funding, artificially low speed limits and full enforcement.Ē
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Post by: ChpBstrd on June 04, 2018, 02:36:07 PM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?
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Post by: mak1277 on June 04, 2018, 02:40:08 PM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.
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Post by: ChpBstrd on June 04, 2018, 02:49:42 PM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.

If I was getting a warning, I'd probably keep my smart mouth shut too. But still I wonder what the cop would have answered if you had asked him what the speed limit is in the left lane, or why there is no minimum speed posted on a per lane basis.
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Post by: mak1277 on June 04, 2018, 02:51:01 PM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.

If I was getting a warning, I'd probably keep my smart mouth shut too. But still I wonder what the cop would have answered if you had asked him what the speed limit is in the left lane, or why there is no minimum speed posted on a per lane basis.

Nobody here is literally arguing that there is no speed limit in the left lane...I mean that's nonsense.  Of course there's a speed limit.
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Post by: Dicey on June 04, 2018, 03:27:18 PM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?
This is a beautiful post. If it isn't there yet, I'm going to post it to the Best Thing... thread.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: ChpBstrd on June 04, 2018, 03:31:23 PM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.

If I was getting a warning, I'd probably keep my smart mouth shut too. But still I wonder what the cop would have answered if you had asked him what the speed limit is in the left lane, or why there is no minimum speed posted on a per lane basis.

Nobody here is literally arguing that there is no speed limit in the left lane...I mean that's nonsense.  Of course there's a speed limit.

What is the speed limit in the left lane then? Suppose for the sake of example the sign says the speed limit is 65 mph.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: DreamFIRE on June 04, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I also don't understand how some people seem to agree with every position those on their "side" take.

I agree with both of the above points.  I also don't get the people that can't get over their candidate losing and continuously whine about it.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: ixtap on June 04, 2018, 03:58:11 PM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I also don't understand how some people seem to agree with every position those on their "side" take.

I agree with both of the above points.  I also don't get the people that can't get over their candidate losing and continuously whine about it.

I don't get people who continue to complain about the losing candidate years after the election
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: mm1970 on June 04, 2018, 04:51:30 PM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.

If I was getting a warning, I'd probably keep my smart mouth shut too. But still I wonder what the cop would have answered if you had asked him what the speed limit is in the left lane, or why there is no minimum speed posted on a per lane basis.

Nobody here is literally arguing that there is no speed limit in the left lane...I mean that's nonsense.  Of course there's a speed limit.

What is the speed limit in the left lane then? Suppose for the sake of example the sign says the speed limit is 65 mph.
In California there are multiple laws governing the speed of traffic.

Yes, the speed limit on our local highway is 65 mph.

However, there is also a law that you are not to impede traffic.  Meaning, if the speed of the rest of traffic is 72 mph, and you are going 65 mph, you can get a ticket for driving less than the prevailing speed in the left lane.

https://jalopnik.com/5501615/left-lane-passing-laws-a-state-by-state-map
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Adam Zapple on June 04, 2018, 06:01:52 PM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?
This is a beautiful post. If it isn't there yet, I'm going to post it to the Best Thing... thread.

One person's beautiful is another person's ridiculous
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Dicey on June 04, 2018, 06:21:41 PM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?
This is a beautiful post. If it isn't there yet, I'm going to post it to the Best Thing... thread.

One person's beautiful is another person's ridiculous
If lack of empathy is the requirement to join your club, AZ, I think I'll pass.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: calimom on June 04, 2018, 06:41:37 PM
I don't get picking and choosing who you wish to provide services for in a public accommodation business. Say, for example, the cake baker in Colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a couple celebrating a same sex marriage.

And I don't get the Supreme Court for thinking that's fully acceptable.

I don't get why we don't have an Equal Rights Amendment that ensures full parity to all citizens.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: DreamFIRE on June 04, 2018, 08:03:49 PM
I don't get picking and choosing who you wish to provide services for in a public accommodation business. Say, for example, the cake baker in Colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a couple celebrating a same sex marriage.

And I don't get the Supreme Court for thinking that's fully acceptable.

Actually, I get that.  And the majority of SCOTUS gets it, too.  The cake maker has his own rights as well.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: nessness on June 04, 2018, 09:25:07 PM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?
Thank you for this. I can't imagine the amount of willful ignorance it must take to say "it's just politics!" in this day and age.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: NorCal on June 04, 2018, 09:35:59 PM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?
Thank you for this. I can't imagine the amount of willful ignorance it must take to say "it's just politics!" in this day and age.

Yep, I still don't get it.  My reaction to over-dramatized politics is a big eye-roll.

No disrespect to you personally.  I just don't understand the mentality.

Also, if you MUST MUST MUST respond with political opinions, can you please start another thread? 
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: mak1277 on June 05, 2018, 06:26:57 AM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.

If I was getting a warning, I'd probably keep my smart mouth shut too. But still I wonder what the cop would have answered if you had asked him what the speed limit is in the left lane, or why there is no minimum speed posted on a per lane basis.

Nobody here is literally arguing that there is no speed limit in the left lane...I mean that's nonsense.  Of course there's a speed limit.

What is the speed limit in the left lane then? Suppose for the sake of example the sign says the speed limit is 65 mph.

Technically or practically?

Technically the speed limit is whatever is posted, regardless of lane.

Practically, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over if they're within 5-7 mph of the posted limit.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: dignam on June 05, 2018, 06:40:46 AM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.

If I was getting a warning, I'd probably keep my smart mouth shut too. But still I wonder what the cop would have answered if you had asked him what the speed limit is in the left lane, or why there is no minimum speed posted on a per lane basis.

Nobody here is literally arguing that there is no speed limit in the left lane...I mean that's nonsense.  Of course there's a speed limit.

What is the speed limit in the left lane then? Suppose for the sake of example the sign says the speed limit is 65 mph.

Technically or practically?

Technically the speed limit is whatever is posted, regardless of lane.

Practically, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over if they're within 5-7 mph of the posted limit.

This.  Most cops (emphasis most) care about overall safety vs. strictly enforcing posted limits.  At the end of the day, it's about safety anyway. 

We need more cops like this guy (try to ignore the obnoxious talking):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhdvl_P1Zc
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Adam Zapple on June 05, 2018, 06:58:59 AM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?
Thank you for this. I can't imagine the amount of willful ignorance it must take to say "it's just politics!" in this day and age.

Yep, I still don't get it.  My reaction to over-dramatized politics is a big eye-roll.

No disrespect to you personally.  I just don't understand the mentality.

Also, if you MUST MUST MUST respond with political opinions, can you please start another thread?

I completely agree.  I couldn't imagine a life of sitting around and waiting for the television to tell me what I should be mad about. 
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: SwordGuy on June 05, 2018, 07:04:48 AM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?
Thank you for this. I can't imagine the amount of willful ignorance it must take to say "it's just politics!" in this day and age.

Yep, I still don't get it.  My reaction to over-dramatized politics is a big eye-roll.

No disrespect to you personally.  I just don't understand the mentality.

Also, if you MUST MUST MUST respond with political opinions, can you please start another thread?

It's a ranting thread.

We're ranting because that's what this thread is about.

People who want to stay in their little bubble of privileged ignorance will have to find some other way to do so.   

I sure as hell have zero intention of making that easier for them.

I've watched video of an unarmed black man get shot by police.  The unarmed black man was lying on the street on his back in broad daylight with his empty hands in the air.   Lying on the street -- on his back -- in broad daylight -- with his empty hands in the air.   He was next to an autistic boy who had run away from his group home.  They boy was sitting on the road playing with a toy truck.    The police were concerned that the boy had a gun.

The black man explained to the cops -- you can hear it on the video -- that he worked in a group home and that the boy was autistic, the boy was NOT armed, the boy had a toy truck.  Other witnesses told the police it was a toy truck.

So, because the white autistic boy might have a gun, the police shot the black guy.   Because, well, tradition!

And the police authorities then said the police officer that shot the black man did nothing wrong.   Because, well, tradition!

Now, the police union representative came flat out and said that the black man was completely in the right, that he had correctly done everything that one could expect anyone to do.   When your union representative throws you under the bus like that it's time to recognize you screwed up.

It took a couple of years before it worked its way thru the courts and the police officer got in trouble.

Look it up for yourself.  Charles Kinsey.  You can find videos of the situation on youtube.   You can find newspaper accounts of the trial.

But what if there had been no video?

It would have been covered up, just like it's been covered up by countless cops and local governments for over a hundred years.   

Some police officer shooting a black man because, well, why not?    I think that police officer "over dramatized" the situation, not the folks who are mad as hell about it.

So, what am I ranting about?

People who are so willfully ignorant and so self-absorbed in their own privileged space that they don't give a damn about life and death injustices around them.   

That's my rant for the morning.


Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: SwordGuy on June 05, 2018, 07:29:28 AM

The same jackass at work who made the comment about Trump's video self-confession of being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care? It's not like it's bad for the economy!"  was always bitching about black NFL players quietly kneeling in protest during the national anthem.

I always wondered why he cared so much.  After all, it wasn't bad for the economy, so why should he care?

Always wondered why uppitty black men bothered him more than women getting sexually assaulted.   

I think he -- and a veritable shit-ton of others -- have their priorities bass-ackwards.

I wonder if he would change his tune if someone sexually assaulted his wife or daughters?    I wonder if he could actually manage to find some empathy for folks in that situation then?   Or if he would continue to focus on uppity black men quietly kneeling as something to get more upset about?

I thought it was a shame that his wife and daughters didn't come to the company picnic that summer.  I was going to ask them if they thought it was ok for men to sexually assault women as long as it didn't hurt the economy.    I was curious to see if their empathy-meter was stuck on zero as well, or whether self-interest might have unstuck it.   

I would have been relatively nice about it.  I wouldn't have directly quoted their husband / father by name.  But I would definitely have let him squirm a bit, wondering if I would do so.   Who knows, might have awakened in him a sudden burst of empathy for folks on the shit end of other people's actions.

Or not.

Personally, I think that would have been some awesome political drama.   FU money is a useful thing in many ways.





Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Imma on June 05, 2018, 07:44:41 AM
I don't get picking and choosing who you wish to provide services for in a public accommodation business. Say, for example, the cake baker in Colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a couple celebrating a same sex marriage.

And I don't get the Supreme Court for thinking that's fully acceptable.

Actually, I get that.  And the majority of SCOTUS gets it, too.  The cake maker has his own rights as well.

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

I just looked up that Charles Kinsey case and it's one of the saddest things I've read in quite a while :( That guy did absolutely everything right. He was lying on the floor, hands in the air, fully cooperating with officers and in constant communication with the officers, explaining the situation, trying to save his patient. The officer who shot him can't even explain why he did it and is apparantly still employed, although he's finally facing criminal charges now.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Dicey on June 05, 2018, 07:49:48 AM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?
Thank you for this. I can't imagine the amount of willful ignorance it must take to say "it's just politics!" in this day and age.

Yep, I still don't get it.  My reaction to over-dramatized politics is a big eye-roll.

No disrespect to you personally.  I just don't understand the mentality.

Also, if you MUST MUST MUST respond with political opinions, can you please start another thread?
This is a RANT thread. Why the hell does anyone think police brutality and gender inequality can be characterized as "over-dramatized politics" or "poltical opinions"? Do you give a flying fuck what is happening to other human beings or does it not matter because it's not you don't see it happening in your own personal bubble? These are a human rights/dignity issues, not politics. FUCK!

ETA: I see I've basically said what SwordGuy said, but far less eloquently. I'm going to let my comments stand, because there cannot be too few voices of reason in the room. Reading his post about just that one of countless shootings makes me sick to my stomach.
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Post by: Chris22 on June 05, 2018, 07:58:12 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other. 

Is the baker an asshole?  Probably.  But should he be compelled to make something he doesn't want to make?  I don't think so, and neither does SCOTUS. 
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Post by: ormaybemidgets on June 05, 2018, 08:01:06 AM
I don't get picking and choosing who you wish to provide services for in a public accommodation business. Say, for example, the cake baker in Colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a couple celebrating a same sex marriage.

And I don't get the Supreme Court for thinking that's fully acceptable.

Actually, I get that.  And the majority of SCOTUS gets it, too.  The cake maker has his own rights as well.

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

No, the SCOTUS decision was based on the lower court (actually, Civil Rights Commission) being inappropriate: [the cake maker] ďwas entitled to a neutral decisionmaker who would give full and fair consideration to his religious objection as he sought to assert it in all of the circumstances in which this case was presented, considered, and decided.Ē Because he did not have such a proceeding, the commissionís order ďmust be set aside.Ē

That's my rant. SCOTUS does not do any of the things people generally accuse it of - the court did NOT say that the cake maker was reasonable, the court did NOT say that the cake maker had his own rights so they trump or are equal to others' rights, the court did NOT say that a cake baker can't be "compelled" (Chris22's word) to make this cake. The court said that prior proceedings should have been held fairly. You might take from that opinion that the court is "for" cake bakers who refuse to make cakes for gay couples, but that is not what the court said. The court is not for or against anything. In fact, they specifically said that without a "hostile" prior proceeding, a case like this would not have come out the same way. And let's not forget, when all this happened same-sex marriage was not legal in Colorado, and Colorado had other laws that allowed service providers to deny other kinds of requested services. You cannot boil down an opinion to a pithy one-liner.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Adam Zapple on June 05, 2018, 08:05:56 AM
Internet ranting or water-cooler chat does not make someone any more empathetic than someone who does nothing, nor does it accomplish anything.  I don't want to speak for @NorCal but I assume that is their point.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: TheAnonOne on June 05, 2018, 08:15:34 AM
Back on the speed limit topics, I don't actually understand speed limits on freeways AT ALL.

Speed limits on freeways are ultimately pointless.

A. When there is traffic, noone is going the speed limit.
B. When the road is open, everyone is speeding.

It is a law that is basically followed 0% of the time. Roads should maybe have a variable limit, if its sunny and clear the limit should be very high, maybe 90 to 110 MPH.

If the road is wet, maybe much lower 65MPH, or if it's dark it could be 55MPH.


Set speed limits on freeways are pointless, and limits are WAAYYYY too low for good conditions.



NOTE1: (I know I started this off saying limits are pointless, and then advocated for variable limits, I do see a benefit in getting all cars going one speed, though, I would argue that probably happens on it's own anyway)

NOTE2: (I swear I saw data showing that the actual speed traveling basically had 0 effect on accident rates, I will try to find this. *FOLLOWUP* Jury seems to be semi-out on this topic, seems like the number does not increase but crashes are higher speeds are worse, which seems obvious)
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GuitarStv on June 05, 2018, 08:29:59 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Chris22 on June 05, 2018, 08:32:40 AM
Back on the speed limit topics, I don't actually understand speed limits on freeways AT ALL.

Speed limits on freeways are ultimately pointless.

A. When there is traffic, noone is going the speed limit.
B. When the road is open, everyone is speeding.

It is a law that is basically followed 0% of the time. Roads should maybe have a variable limit, if its sunny and clear the limit should be very high, maybe 90 to 110 MPH.

If the road is wet, maybe much lower 65MPH, or if it's dark it could be 55MPH.


Set speed limits on freeways are pointless, and limits are WAAYYYY too low for good conditions.



NOTE1: (I know I started this off saying limits are pointless, and then advocated for variable limits, I do see a benefit in getting all cars going one speed, though, I would argue that probably happens on it's own anyway)

NOTE2: (I swear I saw data showing that the actual speed traveling basically had 0 effect on accident rates, I will try to find this. *FOLLOWUP* Jury seems to be semi-out on this topic, seems like the number does not increase but crashes are higher speeds are worse, which seems obvious)

Speed limits basically serve three purposes: 1) cash grab by municipalities to tax behavior people are going to do anyways, 2) serve as a way for cops to pull people over whenever they want (manufactured probable cause) and 3) kowtowing to the insurance industry who want the ability to penalize people who get speeding tickets with higher premiums.

What is actually dangerous on highways is not absolute speed, it's speed differentials.  If you make the speed limit 80 and everyone goes 80 +/-, it's safer than making the speed like 55 and half the people go 80, 45% go 70, and 5% follow the 55 limit.  THAT is dangerous. 
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Chris22 on June 05, 2018, 08:33:44 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.

It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight. 
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GreenEggs on June 05, 2018, 08:40:34 AM
I'd have thought that it would be easy to find gay bakers. 
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GreenEggs on June 05, 2018, 08:43:14 AM
I'd like to see variable speed limits, depending on how you score on the driving test.  ;)

Low scoring crappy drivers should be banned from the passing lane. 
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Jouer on June 05, 2018, 09:02:37 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.

It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight.


Under true equal rights, a wedding cake is a wedding cake. If we (well, you) are still seeing straight wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes, there is not true equal rights.

And don't give me any constitution bullshit talk here. I'm going beyond the bare minimum and talking about people stopping being assholes to other demographics because they do not "like their kind".

And yes there is a difference between doing this to a gay person and a white supremist. The white supremist wants to keep another group down while the gay person just wants to get a fucking cake to celebrate the love between themselves and a another human being.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: sherr on June 05, 2018, 09:05:19 AM
It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight.

For what it's worth that's what Gorsuch argued (and Thomas agreed with); that the object of disagreement is a "gay wedding cake" and the baker has a right to refuse to make "gay wedding cakes". Pretty much all the other justices disagree here and say that the object was a "wedding cake" and that gay people have the right to not be discriminated against under Colorado law, but enough other judges agreed that the baker was treated unfairly by the Civil Rights Commission to find for him in this specific case.

If you actually bother to read the opinions, which people should because they are written in easy-to-follow English (even if longwinded), it seems likely that the line that will be drawn in the future general case is that you have to make a cake but you don't have to write any specific messages on it that you disagree with. Which seems entirely reasonable to me. Note that in this case there was no request to write any message.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: mak1277 on June 05, 2018, 09:07:14 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.

It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight.


Under true equal rights, a wedding cake is a wedding cake. If we (well, you) are still seeing straight wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes, there is not true equal rights.

And don't give me any constitution bullshit talk here. I'm going beyond the bare minimum and talking about people stopping being assholes to other demographics because they do not "like their kind".

And yes there is a difference between doing this to a gay person and a white supremist. The white supremist wants to keep another group down while the gay person just wants to get a fucking cake to celebrate the love between themselves and a another human being.

So where do you draw the line at allowing free expression of religious beliefs?  Can a fundamental Christian pastor refuse to marry a gay couple? 
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: sherr on June 05, 2018, 09:09:29 AM
So where do you draw the line at allowing free expression of religious beliefs?  Can a fundamental Christian pastor refuse to marry a gay couple?

Yes, pastors and religious organizations in general are always given special deference to practice their religion the way they see fit as long as they're not sacrificing virgins or something. Bakeries are not religious organizations.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: PoutineLover on June 05, 2018, 09:10:33 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.

It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight.
This is why I like to send specific cards to people getting married. How else will we know if it's a wedding or a gay wedding??
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Post by: OtherJen on June 05, 2018, 09:11:37 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.

It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight.


Under true equal rights, a wedding cake is a wedding cake. If we (well, you) are still seeing straight wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes, there is not true equal rights.

And don't give me any constitution bullshit talk here. I'm going beyond the bare minimum and talking about people stopping being assholes to other demographics because they do not "like their kind".

And yes there is a difference between doing this to a gay person and a white supremist. The white supremist wants to keep another group down while the gay person just wants to get a fucking cake to celebrate the love between themselves and a another human being.

So where do you draw the line at allowing free expression of religious beliefs?  Can a fundamental Christian pastor refuse to marry a gay couple?

Not an equivalent comparison (see Sherrís response). Rather, can an Evangelical Christian physician refuse to treat a Catholic or Muslim patient?
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Chris22 on June 05, 2018, 09:16:34 AM
Under true equal rights, a wedding cake is a wedding cake. If we (well, you) are still seeing straight wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes, there is not true equal rights.

And don't give me any constitution bullshit talk here. I'm going beyond the bare minimum and talking about people stopping being assholes to other demographics because they do not "like their kind".

And yes there is a difference between doing this to a gay person and a white supremist. The white supremist wants to keep another group down while the gay person just wants to get a fucking cake to celebrate the love between themselves and a another human being.

So don't give you any legal facts, just let you rant on and feel the way you want to feel.  Got it.

You'll note that in my original post on this topic, I called the baker an asshole.  I think he is an asshole.  But there's being an asshole, and not following the law.  They aren't the same. 
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: mak1277 on June 05, 2018, 09:16:38 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.

It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight.


Under true equal rights, a wedding cake is a wedding cake. If we (well, you) are still seeing straight wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes, there is not true equal rights.

And don't give me any constitution bullshit talk here. I'm going beyond the bare minimum and talking about people stopping being assholes to other demographics because they do not "like their kind".

And yes there is a difference between doing this to a gay person and a white supremist. The white supremist wants to keep another group down while the gay person just wants to get a fucking cake to celebrate the love between themselves and a another human being.

So where do you draw the line at allowing free expression of religious beliefs?  Can a fundamental Christian pastor refuse to marry a gay couple?

Not an equivalent comparison (see Sherrís response). Rather, can an Evangelical Christian physician refuse to treat a Catholic or Muslim patient?

I agree with you, but I'm curious if jouer agrees with you, or believes that the pastors should be forced to perform gay weddings.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Jouer on June 05, 2018, 09:27:45 AM
Under true equal rights, a wedding cake is a wedding cake. If we (well, you) are still seeing straight wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes, there is not true equal rights.

And don't give me any constitution bullshit talk here. I'm going beyond the bare minimum and talking about people stopping being assholes to other demographics because they do not "like their kind".

And yes there is a difference between doing this to a gay person and a white supremist. The white supremist wants to keep another group down while the gay person just wants to get a fucking cake to celebrate the love between themselves and a another human being.

So don't give you any legal facts, just let you rant on and feel the way you want to feel.  Got it.

You'll note that in my original post on this topic, I called the baker an asshole.  I think he is an asshole.  But there's being an asshole, and not following the law.  They aren't the same.

My point about constitutional bullshit was me saying: if the law is unjust, we must change the law. Arguing what is law or not is moot - we should be arguing about what is just.

I quoted you but I was really talking to everyone.
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Post by: carolina822 on June 05, 2018, 09:27:58 AM
I don't think anyone (with any sense) believes pastors should be forced to perform gay weddings. They don't have to perform straight weddings of their own faith if they for whatever reason don't feel comfortable joining the couple in matrimony. The judge down at the courthouse does, but pastors can do or not do whatever wedding they want. I'm no fan of religion, but I'm fine with that exemption.

Pharmacists and doctors who push their beliefs on patients can get bent.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Jouer on June 05, 2018, 09:33:43 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.

It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight.


Under true equal rights, a wedding cake is a wedding cake. If we (well, you) are still seeing straight wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes, there is not true equal rights.

And don't give me any constitution bullshit talk here. I'm going beyond the bare minimum and talking about people stopping being assholes to other demographics because they do not "like their kind".

And yes there is a difference between doing this to a gay person and a white supremist. The white supremist wants to keep another group down while the gay person just wants to get a fucking cake to celebrate the love between themselves and a another human being.

So where do you draw the line at allowing free expression of religious beliefs?  Can a fundamental Christian pastor refuse to marry a gay couple?

Not an equivalent comparison (see Sherrís response). Rather, can an Evangelical Christian physician refuse to treat a Catholic or Muslim patient?

I agree with you, but I'm curious if jouer agrees with you, or believes that the pastors should be forced to perform gay weddings.

Nope, Sherr nailed it. So did OtherJen (I think) who said it wasn't an equivalent comparison.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: sherr on June 05, 2018, 09:39:31 AM
Hooray we all agree! Problem resolved forever!
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Sojourner on June 05, 2018, 10:57:34 AM
I'd have thought that it would be easy to find gay bakers.

Favorite comment on this sub topic :D
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: dividend on June 05, 2018, 11:38:07 AM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.

It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight.


Under true equal rights, a wedding cake is a wedding cake. If we (well, you) are still seeing straight wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes, there is not true equal rights.

And don't give me any constitution bullshit talk here. I'm going beyond the bare minimum and talking about people stopping being assholes to other demographics because they do not "like their kind".

And yes there is a difference between doing this to a gay person and a white supremist. The white supremist wants to keep another group down while the gay person just wants to get a fucking cake to celebrate the love between themselves and a another human being.

So where do you draw the line at allowing free expression of religious beliefs?  Can a fundamental Christian pastor refuse to marry a gay couple?

Not an equivalent comparison (see Sherrís response). Rather, can an Evangelical Christian physician refuse to treat a Catholic or Muslim patient?

They can certainly refuse to perform abortions.
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Post by: sherr on June 05, 2018, 11:45:58 AM
Not an equivalent comparison (see Sherrís response). Rather, can an Evangelical Christian physician refuse to treat a Catholic or Muslim patient?

They can certainly refuse to perform abortions.

Sure, but they could not choose to perform abortions for straight people and refuse gays (in Colorado). Or white / black. Or Christians / Muslims.

Honestly the fact that no one can come up with a reasonable comparison to defend refusing to bake cakes for a protected class of people should tell you something.
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Post by: mak1277 on June 05, 2018, 11:51:06 AM
Not an equivalent comparison (see Sherrís response). Rather, can an Evangelical Christian physician refuse to treat a Catholic or Muslim patient?

They can certainly refuse to perform abortions.

Sure, but they could not choose to perform abortions for straight people and refuse gays (in Colorado). Or white / black. Or Christians / Muslims.

Honestly the fact that no one can come up with a reasonable comparison to defend refusing to bake cakes for a protected class of people should tell you something.

Could a baker refuse to sell a "congrats on your abortion" cake?  Or a "congrats on your divorce" cake?
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 05, 2018, 11:53:39 AM
Not an equivalent comparison (see Sherrís response). Rather, can an Evangelical Christian physician refuse to treat a Catholic or Muslim patient?

They can certainly refuse to perform abortions.

Sure, but they could not choose to perform abortions for straight people and refuse gays (in Colorado). Or white / black. Or Christians / Muslims.

Honestly the fact that no one can come up with a reasonable comparison to defend refusing to bake cakes for a protected class of people should tell you something.

Could a baker refuse to sell a "congrats on your abortion" cake?  Or a "congrats on your divorce" cake?

Sure.

An abortion or divorce are not exclusive to a single protected class of people.
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Post by: sherr on June 05, 2018, 11:56:25 AM
Not an equivalent comparison (see Sherrís response). Rather, can an Evangelical Christian physician refuse to treat a Catholic or Muslim patient?

They can certainly refuse to perform abortions.

Sure, but they could not choose to perform abortions for straight people and refuse gays (in Colorado). Or white / black. Or Christians / Muslims.

Honestly the fact that no one can come up with a reasonable comparison to defend refusing to bake cakes for a protected class of people should tell you something.

Could a baker refuse to sell a "congrats on your abortion" cake?  Or a "congrats on your divorce" cake?

"Probably fine" since those are not protected classes of people. To answer the broader question you're getting at I'll just quote myself:

If you actually bother to read the opinions, which people should because they are written in easy-to-follow English (even if longwinded), it seems likely that the line that will be drawn in the future general case is that you have to make a cake but you don't have to write any specific messages on it that you disagree with. Which seems entirely reasonable to me. Note that in this case there was no request to write any message.
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Post by: Schaefer Light on June 05, 2018, 12:09:04 PM
I don't get the unwritten (or in some cases documented) rule that says a salaried employee has to be in the office from 8-5 every day.
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Post by: ChpBstrd on June 05, 2018, 01:08:41 PM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.

If I was getting a warning, I'd probably keep my smart mouth shut too. But still I wonder what the cop would have answered if you had asked him what the speed limit is in the left lane, or why there is no minimum speed posted on a per lane basis.

Nobody here is literally arguing that there is no speed limit in the left lane...I mean that's nonsense.  Of course there's a speed limit.

What is the speed limit in the left lane then? Suppose for the sake of example the sign says the speed limit is 65 mph.

Technically or practically?

Technically the speed limit is whatever is posted, regardless of lane.

Practically, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over if they're within 5-7 mph of the posted limit.

This.  Most cops (emphasis most) care about overall safety vs. strictly enforcing posted limits.  At the end of the day, it's about safety anyway. 

We need more cops like this guy (try to ignore the obnoxious talking):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhdvl_P1Zc

So the speed limit is subjective?
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: mak1277 on June 05, 2018, 01:33:59 PM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.

If I was getting a warning, I'd probably keep my smart mouth shut too. But still I wonder what the cop would have answered if you had asked him what the speed limit is in the left lane, or why there is no minimum speed posted on a per lane basis.

Nobody here is literally arguing that there is no speed limit in the left lane...I mean that's nonsense.  Of course there's a speed limit.

What is the speed limit in the left lane then? Suppose for the sake of example the sign says the speed limit is 65 mph.

Technically or practically?

Technically the speed limit is whatever is posted, regardless of lane.

Practically, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over if they're within 5-7 mph of the posted limit.

This.  Most cops (emphasis most) care about overall safety vs. strictly enforcing posted limits.  At the end of the day, it's about safety anyway. 

We need more cops like this guy (try to ignore the obnoxious talking):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhdvl_P1Zc

So the speed limit is subjective?

Nope, but the enforcement of it is certainly discretionary on the part of the police. 

By the letter of the law, I speed at least 75% of the time, but I have only been pulled over once in the last decade.  Staying within 5-7 MPH of the legal limit is typically ignored.
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Post by: Jouer on June 05, 2018, 01:35:53 PM
How many of you who believe the left lane (in the U.S. not the autobahn) is for passing only have explained to a police officer that there is actually no speed limit in the left lane because that lane is for passing all those cars doing the speed limit? How did it go?

I was given a warning for driving (not speeding) exclusively in the left lane on the interstate in the US.  Pulled over and the cop told me I could not drive in the left lane only because it was only to be used for passing.

If I was getting a warning, I'd probably keep my smart mouth shut too. But still I wonder what the cop would have answered if you had asked him what the speed limit is in the left lane, or why there is no minimum speed posted on a per lane basis.

Nobody here is literally arguing that there is no speed limit in the left lane...I mean that's nonsense.  Of course there's a speed limit.

What is the speed limit in the left lane then? Suppose for the sake of example the sign says the speed limit is 65 mph.

Technically or practically?

Technically the speed limit is whatever is posted, regardless of lane.

Practically, I don't think anyone is getting pulled over if they're within 5-7 mph of the posted limit.

This.  Most cops (emphasis most) care about overall safety vs. strictly enforcing posted limits.  At the end of the day, it's about safety anyway. 

We need more cops like this guy (try to ignore the obnoxious talking):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhdvl_P1Zc

So the speed limit is subjective?

Yes.

The world isn't always black and white....sometimes it's good to live in the grey.

What I don't get: buzzword / marketing phrases. (even though I just used one above)
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Post by: GreenEggs on June 05, 2018, 01:36:35 PM
I'd have thought that it would be easy to find gay bakers.

Favorite comment on this sub topic :D

Thank you.

I was beginning to rant about being ignored.  ;) You saved me from such petty behavior. 

I'm getting tired of reading about gay wedding cakes anyway.   I find transgenders much more interesting and am still trying to figure them out.  Talk about gay rights has been around for years, but the trans acknowledgment is relatively new in public conversation. 

Are they getting married & buying cakes?  Do they marry other trans people, or can they marry straight and gay people too?  Can they have kids?  I guess I'm "trans-curious"... 

Hmm?  I wonder if the percentage of tailgaters is same among the various gender preferences?  And does the percentage of tailgaters differ in legal marijuana states?  Does it vary between genders and races?  Are there any studies and stats available?  Do Uber drivers tend to tailgate more or less? 

That reminds me, I am not normally a tailgater, but after following a pickup for miles & miles in the left lane & not passing I found myself tailgating him.  He squirt windshield washer water on my car! (which I was really impressed with).  I was eventually able to pass him from the right lane.  He wasn't a "clueless" jerk. 
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Post by: Chris22 on June 05, 2018, 01:45:33 PM

So the speed limit is subjective?

Is it shocking that one number for day/night, all weather conditions, all traffic conditions, etc, isn't a one-size-fits-all solution?
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Post by: Dollar Slice on June 05, 2018, 02:02:36 PM
Are they getting married & buying cakes?  Do they marry other trans people, or can they marry straight and gay people too?  Can they have kids?  I guess I'm "trans-curious"... 

The answer to all of these things is "yes." Source: my trans buddy, who has done pretty much all of those things. Married a straight dude way back when, had kids, divorced, dated gay, bi, and straight people, now is about to marry a trans woman and they are getting a fancy wedding cake. I've been wondering if that baker would bake them a cake, since it's a man and a woman getting married, just like they insist upon.

Transgender people are just people. They are all different, and so are their relationships and circumstances. Just like everyone else.

/will do anything to stop this thread from going on and on about driving
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Post by: SunshineAZ on June 05, 2018, 02:12:01 PM
I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


I don't know where you got the impression that women go to the bathroom in groups because they are afraid of being groped while alone, but, as a female, I can tell you that is complete BS.  (And I find it offensive that you think we are all such cowards.)  I have asked 3 other women here at work if they are afraid of being groped just walking to a bathroom, and all of them said no.  And no woman has ever mentioned having that fear to me.  I cannot say that I have not been groped or harassed, but certainly not so much that I am afraid to walk alone to a public bathroom.  What country are you in?  I grew up in So Cal and went to a lot of clubs and parties in my younger days and this is just not a huge issue.  And I was fairly attractive and did get male attention, but I don't consider men hitting on me as being groped or harassed. 

I guess my rant is I don't get people who assume women are delicate little flowers who can't walk to the bathroom without backup.   
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Post by: PoutineLover on June 05, 2018, 02:19:16 PM
I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


I don't know where you got the impression that women go to the bathroom in groups because they are afraid of being groped while alone, but, as a female, I can tell you that is complete BS.  (And I find it offensive that you think we are all such cowards.)  I have asked 3 other women here at work if they are afraid of being groped just walking to a bathroom, and all of them said no.  And no woman has ever mentioned having that fear to me.  I cannot say that I have not been groped or harassed, but certainly not so much that I am afraid to walk alone to a public bathroom.  What country are you in?  I grew up in So Cal and went to a lot of clubs and parties in my younger days and this is just not a huge issue.  And I was fairly attractive and did get male attention, but I don't consider men hitting on me as being groped or harassed. 

I guess my rant is I don't get people who assume women are delicate little flowers who can't walk to the bathroom without backup.   
Just because it hasn't happened to you or three random women doesn't mean it doesn't happen to anyone. Some frat guy kissed me without my consent in a bathroom once while his friends held the door closed. And I have friend who was raped in a bathroom. I still go to the bathroom alone, but I can see why some women might not feel comfortable doing so.
I've also been groped and harrassed in clubs many times, and that's one reason why I don't go anymore. Shitty music, overpriced drinks and cover charges being the other main reasons.
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Post by: Dabnasty on June 05, 2018, 02:23:46 PM
I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


I don't know where you got the impression that women go to the bathroom in groups because they are afraid of being groped while alone, but, as a female, I can tell you that is complete BS.  (And I find it offensive that you think we are all such cowards.)  I have asked 3 other women here at work if they are afraid of being groped just walking to a bathroom, and all of them said no.  And no woman has ever mentioned having that fear to me.  I cannot say that I have not been groped or harassed, but certainly not so much that I am afraid to walk alone to a public bathroom.  What country are you in?  I grew up in So Cal and went to a lot of clubs and parties in my younger days and this is just not a huge issue.  And I was fairly attractive and did get male attention, but I don't consider men hitting on me as being groped or harassed. 

I guess my rant is I don't get people who assume women are delicate little flowers who can't walk to the bathroom without backup.   

Thanks for elaborating on this. It sounded plausible but I was surprised that I had never heard anyone give that reason for women going together. I would imagine that at least in some cases safety does have something to do with it but it's always seemed like a primarily social thing to me.
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Post by: SimpleCycle on June 05, 2018, 03:41:27 PM
Just remember when you are talking about "constitutional rights" and asserting the Supreme Court said things about gay rights they didn't actually say, you are talking about something that some of us actually live day to day.  It's not always just a thought experiment.

I actually think the SCOTUS ruling was right, but if you read Kennedy's majority opinion, he's pretty clear that if they'd been ruling on whether the baker needed to bake the cake, SCOTUS would have applied public accommodation laws to wedding cakes.  Instead, they were ruling on whether the baker had gotten a fair hearing from the Civil Rights Commission, and a fair ruling from the lower court.  They clearly left the door open for a different ruling in a case with different specifics.
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Post by: DreamFIRE on June 05, 2018, 03:52:25 PM

So, if you can refuse to serve gay customers, can you also put up a sign saying 'whites only' or 'no irish need apply?'. If the baker had been a white supremacist, should they be allowed to refuse black customers? If the baker was a Protestant, should they be allowed to refuse a First Communion cake? After all, bakers have rights, too. ( full disclosure: I have a degree in law and constitutional law was always my favourite subject, but I know very little about the US Constitution. In my country horizontal effects of fundamental rights is not a topic that has been explored much, but I think it's very interesting).

The bolded is not what happened.  He did not refuse to serve gay customers, he said he'd happily make them a birthday cake, but he didn't want to make them a wedding cake because he didn't believe in gay marriage.  It's like, I dunno, demanding that your local Jewish deli make you a Christmas something or other.

No, your example is poor.  It's not like asking a Jewish deli to make something that they don't already make.  If the Jewish deli made pastrami sandwiches and pickles, and refused to serve pastrami to anyone who wasn't Jewish (but will serve the goy's pickles) . . . that would be a closer example.

The baker makes wedding cakes, he just refuses to make wedding cakes for a class of people he is prejudiced against.

It depends on whether or not you believe there is a difference between "wedding cakes" and "gay wedding cakes".  I don't know the answer to that.  But the baker doesn't make "gay wedding cakes" for anyone, whether they are gay or straight.


Under true equal rights, a wedding cake is a wedding cake. If we (well, you) are still seeing straight wedding cakes and gay wedding cakes, there is not true equal rights.

And don't give me any constitution bullshit talk here. I'm going beyond the bare minimum and talking about people stopping being assholes to other demographics because they do not "like their kind".

And yes there is a difference between doing this to a gay person and a white supremist. The white supremist wants to keep another group down while the gay person just wants to get a fucking cake to celebrate the love between themselves and a another human being.

So where do you draw the line at allowing free expression of religious beliefs?  Can a fundamental Christian pastor refuse to marry a gay couple?

Not an equivalent comparison (see Sherrís response). Rather, can an Evangelical Christian physician refuse to treat a Catholic or Muslim patient?

Actually, that's no where near equivalent, either.
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Post by: NoraLenderbee on June 05, 2018, 04:06:41 PM
When I'm being tailgated, I tap the brake pedal 3 times. That usually gets the tailgater to back off or change lanes without any horn honking or middle fingers.

I don't get this fixation on going at the highest possible speed--or rather, on the "injustice" of not being able to go as fast as possible in the left lane. There is no God-given right to go as fast as you can. The speed limit is not a minimum speed. 

Changing lanes is statistically more dangerous than speeding. The person driving slowly in the left lane, which forces others to change lanes to pass them, is the one causing the accidents.

Oh, bullshit. The drivers who choose to make an unsafe pass are the ones causing the accident. They are responsible for their behavior, even when they are provoked by some little old lady driving slowly in her Cadillac.

It is okay if you don't see the injustice of people wanting you to get out of the way because you are disrupting the flow of traffic, but in many cases you would be in violation of the law enacted by democratically elected officials.


Inconvenience is not the same as injustice.
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Post by: Imma on June 05, 2018, 04:10:08 PM
I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


I don't know where you got the impression that women go to the bathroom in groups because they are afraid of being groped while alone, but, as a female, I can tell you that is complete BS.  (And I find it offensive that you think we are all such cowards.)  I have asked 3 other women here at work if they are afraid of being groped just walking to a bathroom, and all of them said no.  And no woman has ever mentioned having that fear to me.  I cannot say that I have not been groped or harassed, but certainly not so much that I am afraid to walk alone to a public bathroom.  What country are you in?  I grew up in So Cal and went to a lot of clubs and parties in my younger days and this is just not a huge issue.  And I was fairly attractive and did get male attention, but I don't consider men hitting on me as being groped or harassed. 

I guess my rant is I don't get people who assume women are delicate little flowers who can't walk to the bathroom without backup.   

Thanks for elaborating on this. It sounded plausible but I was surprised that I had never heard anyone give that reason for women going together. I would imagine that at least in some cases safety does have something to do with it but it's always seemed like a primarily social thing to me.

It's both, I guess. I'm not a delicate little flower who can't go anywhere on my own. I have no problems being outside in street on my own at night, I'm never scared when I'm home alone. Still, I went to a festival last weekend with a group of people and when a guy wanders off, you let him walk away and he'll be back in a while. Women go to the bathroom or the bar together or agree to meet in a certain place at a certain time. Women stick together much more than men do and while that's partially just a social custom, I'm sure that behaviour pattern developed because of safety reasons.
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Post by: markbike528CBX on June 05, 2018, 10:44:53 PM
I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


I don't know where you got the impression that women go to the bathroom in groups because they are afraid of being groped while alone, but, as a female, I can tell you that is complete BS.  (And I find it offensive that you think we are all such cowards.)  I have asked 3 other women here at work if they are afraid of being groped just walking to a bathroom, and all of them said no.  And no woman has ever mentioned having that fear to me.  I cannot say that I have not been groped or harassed, but certainly not so much that I am afraid to walk alone to a public bathroom.  What country are you in?  I grew up in So Cal and went to a lot of clubs and parties in my younger days and this is just not a huge issue.  And I was fairly attractive and did get male attention, but I don't consider men hitting on me as being groped or harassed. 

I guess my rant is I don't get people who assume women are delicate little flowers who can't walk to the bathroom without backup.   

Thanks for elaborating on this. It sounded plausible but I was surprised that I had never heard anyone give that reason for women going together. I would imagine that at least in some cases safety does have something to do with it but it's always seemed like a primarily social thing to me.

It's both, I guess. I'm not a delicate little flower who can't go anywhere on my own. I have no problems being outside in street on my own at night, I'm never scared when I'm home alone. Still, I went to a festival last weekend with a group of people and when a guy wanders off, you let him walk away and he'll be back in a while. Women go to the bathroom or the bar together or agree to meet in a certain place at a certain time. Women stick together much more than men do and while that's partially just a social custom, I'm sure that behaviour pattern developed because of safety reasons.

If hetero-straight men went to to the bathroom together, one might assume it was for protection. The social aspect is not there, especially, as such behavior might be interpreted as feminine ( and thereby sort of gay). 
Hetero-straight men might be projecting their reasoning on the behaviors of others. 

As a hetero-straight man, I've become aware of some of the unwritten rules, like
   never go or be in to the toilet/urinal together with any male conversation partner
   never choose the adjoining toilet/urinal to another man if there is any choice in the matter
     urinal troughs are a particularly difficult situation, like how far away is far enough.
   
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Post by: MoseyingAlong on June 05, 2018, 10:55:04 PM
I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


I don't know where you got the impression that women go to the bathroom in groups because they are afraid of being groped while alone, but, as a female, I can tell you that is complete BS.  (And I find it offensive that you think we are all such cowards.)  I have asked 3 other women here at work if they are afraid of being groped just walking to a bathroom, and all of them said no.  And no woman has ever mentioned having that fear to me.  I cannot say that I have not been groped or harassed, but certainly not so much that I am afraid to walk alone to a public bathroom.  What country are you in?  I grew up in So Cal and went to a lot of clubs and parties in my younger days and this is just not a huge issue.  And I was fairly attractive and did get male attention, but I don't consider men hitting on me as being groped or harassed. 

I guess my rant is I don't get people who assume women are delicate little flowers who can't walk to the bathroom without backup.   

I thought SwordGuy was talking about why girls, as in young girls, are sent off with a friend by their parents. And that, in my experience, is definitely a safety precaution. 
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Post by: ixtap on June 05, 2018, 11:18:00 PM
It is quite possible that the custom started from a safety perspective, evolving out of the chaperone tradition. And yes, the safety in that case includes being saved from her own desires.
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Post by: SwordGuy on June 06, 2018, 07:57:12 AM
It is quite possible that the custom started from a safety perspective, evolving out of the chaperone tradition. And yes, the safety in that case includes being saved from her own desires.

That's my belief.   

The world is full of things that were determined or strongly influenced by choices made long ago, choices that have been forgotten.   The "social aspect" of the custom is one thing that has kept it alive long after many people have forgotten the original reasons.  But the custom still serves its purpose.

And for those women who proudly say, "I go by myself," good for you.   You might be aware of something called "survivor bias".   It crops up in a lot of endeavors in life.   The women who got raped by some frat boy or sports team member when they went off alone to the bathroom often don't end up as fiercely independent.  They tend to be more cautious, and for good reason.

It's the same reason why any young woman who has a clue won't leave their drink unattended at a party or club.  They keep it in their hand or under direct observation so some male won't slip something into the drink when they aren't looking.   This has good tips to follow.

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/relationships/a19932071/the-cup-that-detects-roofies/ (https://www.womenshealthmag.com/relationships/a19932071/the-cup-that-detects-roofies/)

The fact that a google search shows up gobs of articles on this topic is something that should shame every man and their parents.

And since this is a rant thread...

Our culture condones a lot of sexual assault behavior by males  Just read an article about a situation in a Memphis school.   A boy attempted to raise a girl's skirt to expose her in public.  She grabbed a pair of scissors and stabbed him.

Fox headline was "Teen stabbed with scissors after pulling student's dress up at Memphis school, police say."

One person made this observation:

That's a weird way to say "Sexual assault victim uses self-defense to escape her attacker."'

The article went on to make comments about the fact that the girl made several attempts to stab the boy.   If someone broke into my home at night and I shot them with my pistol, no one would bat an eye if my first 4 shots missed my attacker and the 5th one hit home.  The focus would be on "Homeowner defends family from robber."   

FYI, the girl has been charged.   At least the boy got charged, too.  20-1 he gets a gentle slap on the hand and she gets in more trouble than he does.

If someone stole my car and was being tried for the crime, I would be unlikely to hear a lawyer say, "Well, the car owner had it coming, they shouldn't have painted their car such an attractive color."   I wouldn't be likely to hear a judge say, while sentencing a guilty car thief, "Well, a tough sentence would really be bad for this thief.  Sentence is 6 months in jail, with half that off for good behavior."   That was male rapist Brock Turner's sentence because he's white, his parents are rich, and he's on a sports team.   F that shit.   And Brock's parents comment was that their son shouldn't be punished for life for a few minutes of action.   If justice was served, that parent would be found floating dead in the river with their personal parts shoved in their mouth, as an example for other parents.  "Pour encourager les autres" as the French put it so aptly.   It wouldn't be the law, but it would be justice.




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Post by: Chris22 on June 06, 2018, 08:37:26 AM
The article went on to make comments about the fact that the girl made several attempts to stab the boy.   If someone broke into my home at night and I shot them with my pistol, no one would bat an eye if my first 4 shots missed my attacker and the 5th one hit home.  The focus would be on "Homeowner defends family from robber."   

It depends.  If you want to use the strict lethal force guidance, if the first stab at the guy caused him to stop assaulting her, the continued stabs were not technically justified.  You are only authorized to use lethal force to stop the threat, once the threat stops you can't keep using lethal force just because.  To use your example, if someone tried to break into your house, and you fired at him and missed, and he ran away, and you continued to fire and hit him in the back and killed him in the middle of your yard running away from your house, absolutely you could be charged with murder.   (Source: hold several weapons permits and used to teach lethal force training in the military)

All that being said, if the girl was my daughter, I'd be reassuring her she did the right thing.  My kid was at her grandparents' (my inlaws) house recently (she's 5) and went to the bathroom.  Her cousin (2 months younger) tried to follow her in, and she slammed the door on him hurting his hand in the process.  Apparently my inlaws gave her a hard time about it, and I told her in front of everyone there that she was just fine and if anyone got her trying to follow her into the bathroom that was their fault, not hers, and next time slam the door harder on him to make sure he remembered.  I got the side eye but no one had the balls to say anything to me. 
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Post by: BookLoverL on June 06, 2018, 09:44:19 AM
I don't get litterers.

These days it seems like everywhere you go there is litter. Even on a more rural road like where I live, there's litter. And if you go somewhere more urban, like where my grandma is, there is litter everywhere.

Do the people who drop it have no respect for the planet? For wildlife? Do they have no respect for themselves?

That's the only reason I can possibly think that they might do something which objectively makes things worse for wildlife AND makes the world uglier, while also not actually being that hard to avoid on account of how there are PUBLIC BINS EVERYWHERE (and even if there weren't, it wouldn't be that hard to carry their sweet wrapper or drinks can back to their own bin...)
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 06, 2018, 09:53:50 AM
 One time years ago when I was only about 19 years old this other woman and I went in her car and went for a ride down the road to eat our bagged lunches. It was summer and the car windows were down. On the way back, all of a sudden she threw out her empty lunch bag right in front of my face (passenger side). I was totally shocked and her response was "always throw your trash out on a rich persons lawn; you know it will get picked up".
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Post by: SwordGuy on June 06, 2018, 10:00:12 AM
The article went on to make comments about the fact that the girl made several attempts to stab the boy.   If someone broke into my home at night and I shot them with my pistol, no one would bat an eye if my first 4 shots missed my attacker and the 5th one hit home.  The focus would be on "Homeowner defends family from robber."   

It depends.  If you want to use the strict lethal force guidance, if the first stab at the guy caused him to stop assaulting her, the continued stabs were not technically justified.  You are only authorized to use lethal force to stop the threat, once the threat stops you can't keep using lethal force just because.  To use your example, if someone tried to break into your house, and you fired at him and missed, and he ran away, and you continued to fire and hit him in the back and killed him in the middle of your yard running away from your house, absolutely you could be charged with murder.   (Source: hold several weapons permits and used to teach lethal force training in the military)

Fair points.   And "helpful" police might just guide a person into saying exactly the right thing to be left alone by the law.   You know it's happened.  Particularly if the person doing the shooting is white and the person doing the breaking in isn't.

All that being said, if the girl was my daughter, I'd be reassuring her she did the right thing.  My kid was at her grandparents' (my inlaws) house recently (she's 5) and went to the bathroom.  Her cousin (2 months younger) tried to follow her in, and she slammed the door on him hurting his hand in the process.  Apparently my inlaws gave her a hard time about it, and I told her in front of everyone there that she was just fine and if anyone got her trying to follow her into the bathroom that was their fault, not hers, and next time slam the door harder on him to make sure he remembered.  I got the side eye but no one had the balls to say anything to me.

Good for you.     If I were there, I would chime in to support you and her, too.   
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Post by: goldensam on June 06, 2018, 10:21:18 AM
I don't get people that take politics super-seriously or choose their friends based on politics.

I understand people who take police brutality seriously because they are far more likely to be shot by police for doing nothing at all.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can end up going to jail (or being shot by police) simply for waiting for a friend at a Starbucks, or cooking at the grill in a public park, or doing their job at their place of work, or asking directions from someone, or just opening their front door.

Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.

I understand people who take oppression seriously because they can't get promoted because of their gender, or get sexually harassed because, as Trump Jr put it so very clearly, if you can't stand being sexually harassed in the workplace, you should stay at home.  Or they have to learn at age 10 to go to the bathroom in groups so they won't get groped by some guy while they are away from their friends.  (You did know that's why girls do that?)   As one coworker put it, again so very clearly, when I brought up Trump's video self-confession to being a serial sexual assaulter, "Why should I care?  It's not like it's bad for the economy!"


Maybe your demographic doesn't have that problem.


What I can't get is people who have no damn empathy for folks in that situation and can't be bothered to give a damn about the injustice of it.  Because, after all, it's not affecting them, so why should they care?

+1
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 06, 2018, 10:23:34 AM
I don't get litterers.

These days it seems like everywhere you go there is litter. Even on a more rural road like where I live, there's litter. And if you go somewhere more urban, like where my grandma is, there is litter everywhere.

Do the people who drop it have no respect for the planet? For wildlife? Do they have no respect for themselves?

That's the only reason I can possibly think that they might do something which objectively makes things worse for wildlife AND makes the world uglier, while also not actually being that hard to avoid on account of how there are PUBLIC BINS EVERYWHERE (and even if there weren't, it wouldn't be that hard to carry their sweet wrapper or drinks can back to their own bin...)

Yes.  This really bothers me too.  I walk by a bus stop every day, that is strewn with garbage and cigarette butts.  The thing is . . . there's a fricking garbage can right there!   You almost have to go out of your way not to use the garbage can.  Gaaahh.
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Post by: Schaefer Light on June 06, 2018, 10:26:33 AM
To use your example, if someone tried to break into your house, and you fired at him and missed, and he ran away, and you continued to fire and hit him in the back and killed him in the middle of your yard running away from your house, absolutely you could be charged with murder.   (Source: hold several weapons permits and used to teach lethal force training in the military)
My take.  Make sure you hit him with the first shot ;).  Not always easy to do with a pistol in the dark, though.
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Post by: sui generis on June 06, 2018, 10:44:20 AM
That was male rapist Brock Turner's sentence because he's white, his parents are rich, and he's on a sports team.   F that shit.   And Brock's parents comment was that their son shouldn't be punished for life for a few minutes of action.   If justice was served, that parent would be found floating dead in the river with their personal parts shoved in their mouth, as an example for other parents.  "Pour encourager les autres" as the French put it so aptly.   It wouldn't be the law, but it would be justice.
A different kind of justice was served last night, as the judge that gave that lenient sentence to Turner was recalled.  The first to be so recalled in CA since 1932.  And it wasn't just vengeance for that one light sentence.  He had a history of bias toward wealthy white men and against female victims in cases of sexual violence.  I'm not generally in favor of recalling (or electing) judges, but this seems to have been well-justified.
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Post by: Dicey on June 06, 2018, 12:53:30 PM
That was male rapist Brock Turner's sentence because he's white, his parents are rich, and he's on a sports team.   F that shit.   And Brock's parents comment was that their son shouldn't be punished for life for a few minutes of action.   If justice was served, that parent would be found floating dead in the river with their personal parts shoved in their mouth, as an example for other parents.  "Pour encourager les autres" as the French put it so aptly.   It wouldn't be the law, but it would be justice.
A different kind of justice was served last night, as the judge that gave that lenient sentence to Turner was recalled.  The first to be so recalled in CA since 1932.  And it wasn't just vengeance for that one light sentence.  He had a history of bias toward wealthy white men and against female victims in cases of sexual violence.  I'm not generally in favor of recalling (or electing) judges, but this seems to have been well-justified.
Amen! I was so happy to read those results today. It's difficult to eject a sitting judge. Yes! [Insert fist pump here.]
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Post by: Sojourner on June 08, 2018, 10:08:29 AM
Say a person has achieved and surpassed their FIRE number.  By all measures/simulations they can "retire" (leave corporate/workaday life to pursue whatever).  For example, has beyond 25X expenses stashed, also some soc sec coming up plus perhaps other means to provide further cushion.

At this point, they're aware they have free choice what to do with their time each day.  Yet they still choose to wake up to an early morning alarm, put on clothes they ironed and set out the night before to comply with dress code, drive in rush hour traffic, do tasks all day as assigned and scrutinized by someone else, then return home in same congested traffic just to repeat the cycle next day. (or similar scenario)

I think this is fairly common.  That's something I don't get.
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Post by: Chris22 on June 08, 2018, 10:28:22 AM
Say a person has achieved and surpassed their FIRE number.  By all measures/simulations they can "retire" (leave corporate/workaday life to pursue whatever).  For example, has beyond 25X expenses stashed, also some soc sec coming up plus perhaps other means to provide further cushion.

At this point, they're aware they have free choice what to do with their time each day.  Yet they still choose to wake up to an early morning alarm, put on clothes they ironed and set out the night before to comply with dress code, drive in rush hour traffic, do tasks all day as assigned and scrutinized by someone else, then return home in same congested traffic just to repeat the cycle next day. (or similar scenario)

I think this is fairly common.  That's something I don't get.

1.  Not everyone hates their job.  Some find it interesting and challenging and they like doing it.

2.  Some people want more than to just cover their expenses.  I might be able to sit in my house all day and cover my mortgage and food and other expenses, but it may not leave me enough to do things I want to do, like travel or pay for home renovation projects or work on old cars or whatever else I want to do to fill my time. 
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Post by: MilesTeg on June 08, 2018, 11:30:28 AM
Say a person has achieved and surpassed their FIRE number.  By all measures/simulations they can "retire" (leave corporate/workaday life to pursue whatever).  For example, has beyond 25X expenses stashed, also some soc sec coming up plus perhaps other means to provide further cushion.

At this point, they're aware they have free choice what to do with their time each day.  Yet they still choose to wake up to an early morning alarm, put on clothes they ironed and set out the night before to comply with dress code, drive in rush hour traffic, do tasks all day as assigned and scrutinized by someone else, then return home in same congested traffic just to repeat the cycle next day. (or similar scenario)

I think this is fairly common.  That's something I don't get.

Some people enjoy their jobs; count me among them. Some of us worked very hard, as young people, to put themselves in a position where they doing something they both enjoy and can make a good living at and have worked hard enough to not have to deal with annoying things like early mornings, strict dress codes and annoying bosses.

It's sort of like mustacianism applied a different way.
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Post by: HipGnosis on June 08, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
Man buns
Or, as I call them; WTF flags
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Post by: Jouer on June 08, 2018, 12:15:16 PM
Also, some people like structure. Some even crave it and don't feel themselves without it. (I am not one of those people....but I do know some like it)
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Post by: Trifele on June 08, 2018, 12:55:17 PM
Man buns
Or, as I call them; WTF flags

I think man buns are hot.
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Post by: dividend on June 08, 2018, 12:58:48 PM
Here's something simple I don't get - cold brew coffee makers.  Why are those a thing people pay money for?  To make cold brew, you let ground coffee and water steep for a long time and then filter it.  I do this all summer long, in my french press that I already have for hot coffee, and even in quart sized mason jars.  So when one of my best friends told me all excitedly that she had bought a cold brew maker, I asked "What does it do?"  She explained, and I said, "I don't understand what it does that you couldn't do with a big mason jar and a strainer?"  No answer except irritation at me. 
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Post by: Dabnasty on June 08, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
Here's something simple I don't get - cold brew coffee makers.  Why are those a thing people pay money for?  To make cold brew, you let ground coffee and water steep for a long time and then filter it.  I do this all summer long, in my french press that I already have for hot coffee, and even in quart sized mason jars.  So when one of my best friends told me all excitedly that she had bought a cold brew maker, I asked "What does it do?"  She explained, and I said, "I don't understand what it does that you couldn't do with a big mason jar and a strainer?"  No answer except irritation at me.

I had a coworker explain how awesome their new cold brew contraption after I mentioned I liked iced coffee. She went through the whole process and the asked, "and how do you make iced coffee?" I said I put ice... in coffee.

I get that cold brew is different, I make that in mason jars too.
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Post by: mm1970 on June 08, 2018, 01:12:32 PM
Man buns
Or, as I call them; WTF flags

I think man buns are hot.
On the right man?  Totally
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Post by: Imma on June 08, 2018, 03:13:42 PM
My country has a monarchy. I'm a republican personally and I think our current King lacks the common sense, constitutional awareness and good judgement his mother has.

His wife's sister tragically passed away from suicide this week. Of course the media are very respectful of the King and his family during this difficult time, but irl I have heard so many people say nasty things about her being a little snowflake, a spoilt rich kid, We The People are probably paying for the trip to the Queen's native Argentina to bury her sister, etc etc etc.

I don't get why people would be so extremely insensitive. I don't believe we should have a King at all, but I sincerely feel very sorry for him and his family. I can't imagine their pain, they were known to be close and apparantly she'd struggled for a while. They're human beings with real feelings and personal lives.

I was also extremely annoyed when a few weeks ago some new official portraits of the royal family were published and people were fatshaming the oldest princess all over the internet. The 14 year old Crown Princess is clearly developing from a girl into a woman and she's a little more curvy now then she used to be as a child. Growing up is difficult enough when you're a totally average highschool girl, and this poor girl has been in the spotlight since birth. She will have no freedom of choice in any aspect of her life ever. You're a pretty pathetic person if you're going to call her out on the internet for simply existing as a non-rail thin person.
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Post by: ChpBstrd on June 08, 2018, 04:05:58 PM
I'm starting to not get the internet.

This thing that was supposed to instantly bring useful information to our fingertips in an instant is full of propaganda, ads, misinformation, flame wars, and memes.

This thing that was supposed to break dictators' stranglehold on speech and dissent has become a tool of mass manipulation and coincided with the collapse of democracies worldwide.

This thing that was supposed to help us study has instead shortened our attention span, preventing us from even being able to solve problems.

This thing that was supposed to make us money has become another utility bill for most people - oh and using it gets you fired at work.

This thing that was supposed to let regular people debate and dialogue with one another has instead shifted our entire culture toward incivility. We expect trolling behavior from our leaders now.

This thing we worked so hard to make fast wastes so much of our time.

This thing that was supposed to prevent waste burns gigawatts of electricity for the sake of Facebook and the mining of fake cryptocurrencies, and results in piles of highly toxic electronic waste because the equipment only lasts a couple years.

I wonder to what extent it would still be possible to go back, ditch the smartphone and the broadband bill, read physical books, pay bills with checks, exercise focus and attention span, and be mentally present for people instead of staring into an addictive toy that does nothing tangible for me but take our money and make us believe falsehoods? Who ever imagined their idea of a good life to be spent staring into a phone like old people stare at television, making money for tech billionaires.

I wonder if a new lifestyle/group will emerge soon of the "real worlders" who find ways to avoid blowing more and more of their time, mental health, and wealth on the internet. Or maybe we're all too far gone.
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Post by: Sojourner on June 08, 2018, 06:45:22 PM

I'm starting to not get the internet.

This thing that was supposed to...

I wonder to what extent it would still be possible to go back, ditch the smartphone and the broadband bill, read physical books, pay bills with checks, exercise focus and attention span, and be mentally present for people instead of staring into an addictive toy that does nothing tangible for me but take our money and make us believe falsehoods? Who ever imagined their idea of a good life to be spent staring into a phone like old people stare at television, making money for tech billionaires.

I wonder if a new lifestyle/group will emerge soon of the "real worlders" who find ways to avoid blowing more and more of their time, mental health, and wealth on the internet. Or maybe we're all too far gone.

Yep.  Past the point of no return.

Great post, BTW.
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 08, 2018, 07:18:02 PM
In the early days of the internet you were required to prove a baseline level of intelligence before you could connect.  You needed to install a modem, configure it, connect to the internet, debug the inevitable issues, then figure out how to search the random BBS's for whatever you were looking for.  All this without being able to google anything.  Assholes could make it past all that, but the truly stupid didn't.

Today you have the same proportion of assholes, but we've removed the intelligence barrier from accessing to the internet . . . so we're drowning in stupid.
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Post by: Adam Zapple on June 09, 2018, 06:28:24 AM
In the early days of the internet you were required to prove a baseline level of intelligence before you could connect.  You needed to install a modem, configure it, connect to the internet, debug the inevitable issues, then figure out how to search the random BBS's for whatever you were looking for.  All this without being able to google anything.  Assholes could make it past all that, but the truly stupid didn't.

Today you have the same proportion of assholes, but we've removed the intelligence barrier from accessing to the internet . . . so we're drowning in stupid.

This is a great point.  There's also virtually no barrier to providing content on the internet.  If you want proof, just read Yahoo! news daily like I do (for some reason.) "Articles" are just twitter re-posts or poorly written with zero journalistic integrity, zero research, zero proofreading etc.
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Post by: SunshineAZ on June 11, 2018, 09:17:40 AM
In the early days of the internet you were required to prove a baseline level of intelligence before you could connect.  You needed to install a modem, configure it, connect to the internet, debug the inevitable issues, then figure out how to search the random BBS's for whatever you were looking for.  All this without being able to google anything.  Assholes could make it past all that, but the truly stupid didn't.

Today you have the same proportion of assholes, but we've removed the intelligence barrier from accessing to the internet . . . so we're drowning in stupid.

LOL QFT! 

/Now, get off my internet!!  :P

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Post by: EricL on June 11, 2018, 10:41:18 AM
In the early days of the internet you were required to prove a baseline level of intelligence before you could connect.  You needed to install a modem, configure it, connect to the internet, debug the inevitable issues, then figure out how to search the random BBS's for whatever you were looking for.  All this without being able to google anything.  Assholes could make it past all that, but the truly stupid didn't.

Today you have the same proportion of assholes, but we've removed the intelligence barrier from accessing to the internet . . . so we're drowning in stupid.

Thatís OK.  Net Neutrality ends today.  So in the future weíll only be exposed to the stupid people who happen to be rich. And state supported trolls, of course.
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 11, 2018, 11:30:48 AM
In the early days of the internet you were required to prove a baseline level of intelligence before you could connect.  You needed to install a modem, configure it, connect to the internet, debug the inevitable issues, then figure out how to search the random BBS's for whatever you were looking for.  All this without being able to google anything.  Assholes could make it past all that, but the truly stupid didn't.

Today you have the same proportion of assholes, but we've removed the intelligence barrier from accessing to the internet . . . so we're drowning in stupid.

Thatís OK.  Net Neutrality ends today.  So in the future weíll only be exposed to the stupid people who happen to be rich. And state supported trolls, of course.

Gah.  Was that today?

 . . . speaking of things I don't understand . . . how can you possibly make the argument that ending Net Neutrality will be anything but bad for most consumers?
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Post by: FIRE@50 on June 11, 2018, 11:36:11 AM
In the early days of the internet you were required to prove a baseline level of intelligence before you could connect.  You needed to install a modem, configure it, connect to the internet, debug the inevitable issues, then figure out how to search the random BBS's for whatever you were looking for.  All this without being able to google anything.  Assholes could make it past all that, but the truly stupid didn't.

Today you have the same proportion of assholes, but we've removed the intelligence barrier from accessing to the internet . . . so we're drowning in stupid.

Thatís OK.  Net Neutrality ends today.  So in the future weíll only be exposed to the stupid people who happen to be rich. And state supported trolls, of course.

Gah.  Was that today?

 . . . speaking of things I don't understand . . . how can you possibly make the argument that ending Net Neutrality will be anything but bad for most consumers?

I feel like the internet is already slower today. Is that really possible?
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Post by: EricL on June 11, 2018, 12:12:23 PM
In the early days of the internet you were required to prove a baseline level of intelligence before you could connect.  You needed to install a modem, configure it, connect to the internet, debug the inevitable issues, then figure out how to search the random BBS's for whatever you were looking for.  All this without being able to google anything.  Assholes could make it past all that, but the truly stupid didn't.

Today you have the same proportion of assholes, but we've removed the intelligence barrier from accessing to the internet . . . so we're drowning in stupid.

Thatís OK.  Net Neutrality ends today.  So in the future weíll only be exposed to the stupid people who happen to be rich. And state supported trolls, of course.

Gah.  Was that today?

 . . . speaking of things I don't understand . . . how can you possibly make the argument that ending Net Neutrality will be anything but bad for most consumers?

Your original statement was true but has an elitist air to it.  But, yeah, the end of Net Neutrality is definitely elitist in a different sort of way. And definitely not good for consumers in general. Iíd hoped my sarcasm was evident.
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Post by: Travis on June 12, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
"Such and Such ruined my childhood!" 

I get it that something you fondly remember has been rebooted and looks terrible by comparison, but that hardly "ruined" the memories of your childhood.  Unless you're really susceptible to marketing and the power of suggestion.  It sucks that our children will form their memories of the subject around this inferior reboot, but if it matters to you that much I'm sure you can figure out a way to show them the original version that is so damn important to you.

Tangentially to this, I've seen a lot of "Netflix sucks now and I'm cancelling my subscription!" comments on my social media feeds as the service comes out with more original programming that these folks apparently don't enjoy.  Do these people realize that Netflix started out as a content library?  I didn't subscribe to Netflix for it's original programming when it came out (they didn't have any yet) and I still don't use it for that purpose.  If I don't want to watch their own programming, I don't have to. They offer plenty of other things to watch.  It's like going to an ice cream shop for it's blue flavor then boycotting it for serving red. It still sells blue, so what's your problem?
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 12, 2018, 10:33:31 AM
"Such and Such ruined my childhood!" 

I get it that something you fondly remember has been rebooted and looks terrible by comparison, but that hardly "ruined" the memories of your childhood.  Unless you're really susceptible to marketing and the power of suggestion.  It sucks that our children will form their memories of the subject around this inferior reboot, but if it matters to you that much I'm sure you can figure out a way to show them the original version that is so damn important to you.

While he didn't ruin memories of the original, George Lucas has done his damndest to make it difficult to find a copy of the original Star Wars movies.  The one that you probably watched in your childhood, without the ridiculous and nonsensical changes (Han shooting first, the unnecessary added scene with Han talking to Jabba, changing the song in Jabba's place, ruining the climax of return of the Jedi by sticking in a  NOOOOOO by Darth Vader, all the strange changes made at the victory celebration, etc.) by refusing to allow the release of the originals.

George Lucas is a dick for trying his best to ruin the original Star Wars movies.
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Post by: sui generis on June 12, 2018, 10:41:53 AM

Tangentially to this, I've seen a lot of "Netflix sucks now and I'm cancelling my subscription!" comments on my social media feeds as the service comes out with more original programming that these folks apparently don't enjoy.  Do these people realize that Netflix started out as a content library?  I didn't subscribe to Netflix for it's original programming when it came out (they didn't have any yet) and I still don't use it for that purpose.  If I don't want to watch their own programming, I don't have to. They offer plenty of other things to watch.  It's like going to an ice cream shop for it's blue flavor then boycotting it for serving red. It still sells blue, so what's your problem?

Mmmm, but it only sells two scoops of blue nowadays and the blue is often gone by the time I arrive.  Whereas they used to have a lot of blue, because they really focused on blue, but now they only care about red and producing gallons and gallons of red! 

Yeah, the analogy is hard to carry through, but the point is, they used to spend time and energy on cultivating their content library but now they don't pursue/renew digital rights, so very few things I am looking for are streaming.  So I quit streaming to go back to DVD only, figuring that I could especially find a lot of older stuff still on DVD...and I couldn't find a lot of things there either (i.e. they aren't replacing broken/unusable DVDs anymore?).  So their focus on original content is really to the detriment of being a content library.  I mean, I haven't complained about it and don't go around telling people how much it sucks or anything.  But it is a very different service than it used to be, so I did cancel my subscription.  I don't have time to get sucked into their original content, no matter how awesome it is, at this particular time, but wish I still had access to all the great content they used to have that were more like one-off movies, miniseries or short TV series that are old and ended.
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Post by: Nicholas Carter on June 13, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Man buns
Or, as I call them; WTF flags
Long hair is mostly advantageous, but occasionally annoying. So I grow my hair long, then put it up when I'm not using it.
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Post by: GreenEggs on June 13, 2018, 09:09:07 AM
Gigantic tires on pickup trucks and the bubble tires on small cars that are canted out and scrub the fenders.  And the exhaust pipes on 4 cylinder cars that make them really loud. 

None of the above should even be street legal, and are definitely stupid to do to a vehicle.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 13, 2018, 09:23:39 AM
Motorcycles that are ridiculously loud. Really, what is the point? Just noise pollution and stupid.
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Post by: dustinst22 on June 13, 2018, 09:50:55 AM

Long hair is mostly advantageous

Whats advantageous about it?  Might get some work posing for romance novels?
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 13, 2018, 09:56:33 AM
I used to know a handsome guy that had long hair and he mostly had it pulled back. He was going hiking and decided to cut it off for easier maintenance and it was a major OMG! His hair was super curly and he looked like bozo the clown. Not a good improvement at all! LOL! Keep it long, keep it neat.
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Post by: Dicey on June 13, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
Motorcycles that are ridiculously loud. Really, what is the point? Just noise pollution and stupid.
DH pointed out that they do that so car drivers will be alerted to their presence. Huh. I say they make a choice when they hop on a bike (obv. the wrong kind) and breaking the law to protect their decision is ridiculous. Everyone KNOWS that cars don't see motorcycles. If you're scared of that fact, don't fucking ride one. And if you choose to anyway, for Pete's sake, wear a certified helmet and stop bitching about those, too./end of rant
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 13, 2018, 10:47:51 AM
Motorcycles that are ridiculously loud. Really, what is the point? Just noise pollution and stupid.
DH pointed out that they do that so car drivers will be alerted to their presence. Huh. I say they make a choice when they hop on a bike (obv. the wrong kind) and breaking the law to protect their decision is ridiculous. Everyone KNOWS that cars don't see motorcycles. If you're scared of that fact, don't fucking ride one. And if you choose to anyway, for Pete's sake, wear a certified helmet and stop bitching about those, too./end of rant

If motorcyclists made their bikes loud so that cars would be alerted to their presence, the pipes would all point forwards.  The vehicles behind you can see you and know where you are.  It's the ones in front of you that you've got to be concerned about.
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Post by: ysette9 on June 13, 2018, 11:03:42 AM
I have a deep-seated primal fear of loud noises. Apparently this goes back to in utero according to my mother. I Can’t Stand loud motorcycles (in looking at you, dumb-ass Harleys). Sure, they are obnoxious and anti-social and juvenile and dumb, but they also scare me like crazy. My oldest seems to also hate loud noises. She once threw a massive fit and refused to go into a public toilet with me because of the unpredictable and loud flushes and hand dryers. I get it. Whenever possible I try to find a family restroom so at least there is only one toilet and I can, hopefully, control when it flushes. This gives us time to cover our ears. The water-saving toilets rely on a massive sucking action to be effective and that is REALLY loud.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 13, 2018, 11:07:41 AM
I live on what is considered a scenic road and is a well maintained two lane State road. It is hilly and windy and pretty dangerous. Every single weekend from spring to late fall we have herds of motorcycle riders who swarm this scenic road making it like a race arena. So disturbingly noisy and it goes on all day long up and down the hills. Why do people come from out of town to have fun disturbing the people who live there? I wouldn't care if they had normal sounding vehicles but they are beyond obnoxious and noisy.
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Post by: dustinst22 on June 13, 2018, 11:11:51 AM
I have a deep-seated primal fear of loud noises. Apparently this goes back to in utero according to my mother. I Canít Stand loud motorcycles (in looking at you, dumb-ass Harleys). Sure, they are obnoxious and anti-social and juvenile and dumb, but they also scare me like crazy. My oldest seems to also hate loud noises. She once threw a massive fit and refused to go into a public toilet with me because of the unpredictable and loud flushes and hand dryers. I get it. Whenever possible I try to find a family restroom so at least there is only one toilet and I can, hopefully, control when it flushes. This gives us time to cover our ears. The water-saving toilets rely on a massive sucking action to be effective and that is REALLY loud.

Are you an introvert by any chance?  This is common among introverts.  Extreme sensitivity to stimuli.   I too hate loud noises.  Particularly poor music, which is in abundance.  Along these lines, I never understood concerts or music gatherings where the music is too loud to enjoy. 
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Post by: ysette9 on June 13, 2018, 11:15:31 AM
Yup, an introvert. I get overwhelmed by noise after a period of time. I find modern life to be stressfully noisy. Music in restaurants is loud enough that it is hard to hear someone talking at the other end of the table. Coffee shop music is now front and center instead of being background. Movies require earplugs to avoid hearing loss. No one seems to think quiet is acceptable.

Wow. I sound like I am 40 years older than I am. Now get off of my lawn! (But walk quietly please)
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Post by: dustinst22 on June 13, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Yup, an introvert. I get overwhelmed by noise after a period of time. I find modern life to be stressfully noisy. Music in restaurants is loud enough that it is hard to hear someone talking at the other end of the table. Coffee shop music is now front and center instead of being background. Movies require earplugs to avoid hearing loss. No one seems to think quiet is acceptable.

Wow. I sound like I am 40 years older than I am. Now get off of my lawn! (But walk quietly please)

Agreed!  Nothing worse than a restaurant where it's too loud to have a decent conversation.  And people seem to enjoy it, I find it very perplexing.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 13, 2018, 11:30:43 AM
Okay, here is another thing that pisses me off. I know younger people don't agree. It used to be you would buy a ticket to a concert and be assigned a seat. Now people stand during the whole concert even though they have a seat to sit in. So, even if you want to sit and enjoy the music you can't because the people in front of you are standing and you can't see anything. The last concert I went to we had really good seats close to the stage. Didn't matter, we had to stand during the whole thing. I told the Hub that I never want to go to a concert again. What is the point of paying for seats you can't sit in? Seems very rude to me. What about the older people or handicapped people or short people?
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Post by: ysette9 on June 13, 2018, 11:34:33 AM
As a short person I agree with you. However I don’t go to concerts much as they are too loud. ;-) Maybe you need to cultivate an appreciation for the symphony or jazz something where it is standard for people to remain seated?
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Post by: PoutineLover on June 13, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Okay, here is another thing that pisses me off. I know younger people don't agree. It used to be you would buy a ticket to a concert and be assigned a seat. Now people stand during the whole concert even though they have a seat to sit in. So, even if you want to sit and enjoy the music you can't because the people in front of you are standing and you can see anything. The last concert I went to we had really good seats close to the stage. Didn't matter, we had to stand during the whole thing. I told the Hub that I never want to go to a concert again. What is the point of paying for seats you can't sit in? Seems very rude to me. What about the older people or handicapped people or short people?
I like being able to dance at concerts, so if possible standing room tickets are perfect. But it may be a case of everyone having to do it even though they don't want to, because it's the only way to see once the front row stands up. Or for better selfie angles :P
That's kinda like what happens on planes sometimes. I don't like to recline because it takes away someone else's space, and I don't like it when people recline on me, but if I lose my space, I pretty much need to recline too. I've always wished reclining made your own seat go forward at the same time, so if you do it you lose your own legroom, instead of taking away someone else's. Then it's a purely personal trade off instead of pushing the annoyance further down the line.
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Post by: RWD on June 13, 2018, 11:41:22 AM
Yup, an introvert. I get overwhelmed by noise after a period of time. I find modern life to be stressfully noisy. Music in restaurants is loud enough that it is hard to hear someone talking at the other end of the table. Coffee shop music is now front and center instead of being background. Movies require earplugs to avoid hearing loss. No one seems to think quiet is acceptable.

Wow. I sound like I am 40 years older than I am. Now get off of my lawn! (But walk quietly please)

Agreed!  Nothing worse than a restaurant where it's too loud to have a decent conversation.  And people seem to enjoy it, I find it very perplexing.

I was at a restaurant seated outdoors with my wife and in-laws and there was live music playing way too loud. My wife and I asked to be re-seated indoors and when the manager (or whoever) came to reseat us they thought it was my in-laws that were bothered by the noise!
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 13, 2018, 11:43:07 AM
No, not interested in jazz or symphony. Somewhere down the line things changed. We used to go to Oakdale Theater in Wallingford CT and everyone used to sit down. Then we went to other venues where people stand up the whole time. Years ago we went to Myrtle beach and went to those theaters and everyone sat. No more concerts for me! NOPE!
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Post by: Dollar Slice on June 13, 2018, 11:52:53 AM
Okay, here is another thing that pisses me off. I know younger people don't agree. It used to be you would buy a ticket to a concert and be assigned a seat. Now people stand during the whole concert even though they have a seat to sit in. So, even if you want to sit and enjoy the music you can't because the people in front of you are standing and you can see anything.

This annoys the hell out of me, as I am a huge live music fan and have a medical issue that makes it painful to stand for long periods. And the kind of show where this happens? Almost always very expensive tickets at big fancy venues. If I go to a show where this happens, that artist is immediately on my list of artists I'll never see again. If your fans want to dance, play a venue where that's possible, and the can't-dance contingent can go do something else that we'll enjoy. 

One time I was with a friend who has a more serious disability at a standing-up rock club, and he'd arranged in advance for us to sit in a special section for handicapped people. They sat us (and a bunch of fans in wheelchairs, etc.) BEHIND the people who were standing. So we were just staring at people's asses the whole time. $90 tickets.
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Post by: zolotiyeruki on June 13, 2018, 11:59:13 AM
Yup, an introvert. I get overwhelmed by noise after a period of time. I find modern life to be stressfully noisy. Music in restaurants is loud enough that it is hard to hear someone talking at the other end of the table. Coffee shop music is now front and center instead of being background. Movies require earplugs to avoid hearing loss. No one seems to think quiet is acceptable.

Wow. I sound like I am 40 years older than I am. Now get off of my lawn! (But walk quietly please)
Oh my goodness, this has been a pet peeve of mine for years.  Seriously, if I have to nearly shout in order for DW to hear me across the table, the music is too loud.  And this isn't like a bar or nightclub.  This is in a casual dining restaurant.  It seems to bother me a lot more than it bothers DW.  I also have a harder time distinguishing conversation from all the background noise than DW does, even though my hearing tests better than hers.

I have a deep-seated primal fear of loud noises. Apparently this goes back to in utero according to my mother. I Canít Stand loud motorcycles (in looking at you, dumb-ass Harleys). Sure, they are obnoxious and anti-social and juvenile and dumb, but they also scare me like crazy. My oldest seems to also hate loud noises. She once threw a massive fit and refused to go into a public toilet with me because of the unpredictable and loud flushes and hand dryers. I get it. Whenever possible I try to find a family restroom so at least there is only one toilet and I can, hopefully, control when it flushes. This gives us time to cover our ears. The water-saving toilets rely on a massive sucking action to be effective and that is REALLY loud.
That's really interesting--my oldest son used to have the same reaction when he was younger.  We always chalked it up to overstimulus, tied to his Autism.

To contribute my own thing I don't get:  Large cell phones.  And by "large" I mean anything over 130mm in height.  The big screens are hard to reach across, hard to fit in your pocket, more expensive, more battery hungry, and more CPU/RAM hungry.  They're a bit easier to read stuff on, but not *that* much better.  I loved my Galaxy Light, with its small footprint and large-radius curves (super comfy to hold).

Now I'll rant a bit more:  There is exactly one company that makes small phones with decent internals (at least 2GB RAM) for the US market:  Sony.  And they have only one model in that size.  Or at least, they used to.  The latest iteration, the Xperia XZ2 Compact ballooned up to 135mm tall, only 3mm less than an iPhone.  You'd think that budget phones, like the Moto G6, would have a smaller screen, but no, all the phone manufacturers are caught up in the screen size arms race.  Samsung had a Mini version of their flagships up through the Galaxy S4 mini, but cancelled the Galaxy S5 mini and haven't looked back.

Call me picky, but my ideal phone simply doesn't exist.  All I want is a phone that works in the US with 2GB+ RAM, a good CPU, a body no larger than 130mm, a headphone jack, a user-replaceable battery, an SD card slot, and an unlocked bootloader (with good ROM support).  Such a device apparently doesn't exist.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 13, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
Dollar Slice, know where you are coming from and it is even worse for those with disabilities. I think these bands encourage people to stand up and dance. The last time we went to a concert to see Shania Twain and had excellent seats. We paid a LOT for the tickets because we were close to the stage. Didn't matter, the rows in front of us stood the whole time. If we didn't stand, all we would have seen is asses.
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Post by: GuitarStv on June 13, 2018, 12:18:31 PM
Okay, here is another thing that pisses me off. I know younger people don't agree. It used to be you would buy a ticket to a concert and be assigned a seat. Now people stand during the whole concert even though they have a seat to sit in. So, even if you want to sit and enjoy the music you can't because the people in front of you are standing and you can see anything.

This annoys the hell out of me, as I am a huge live music fan and have a medical issue that makes it painful to stand for long periods. And the kind of show where this happens? Almost always very expensive tickets at big fancy venues. If I go to a show where this happens, that artist is immediately on my list of artists I'll never see again. If your fans want to dance, play a venue where that's possible, and the can't-dance contingent can go do something else that we'll enjoy. 

One time I was with a friend who has a more serious disability at a standing-up rock club, and he'd arranged in advance for us to sit in a special section for handicapped people. They sat us (and a bunch of fans in wheelchairs, etc.) BEHIND the people who were standing. So we were just staring at people's asses the whole time. $90 tickets.

The last concert that I went to this happened.  It kinda drove me nuts.  I wanted to sit and listen to the music . . . but literally everyone in the venue decided to stand up three songs in, and remain standing for the next two hours.  WTF.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 13, 2018, 12:29:27 PM
Just say NO to live concerts!
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Post by: FIRE@50 on June 13, 2018, 12:32:41 PM
Okay, here is another thing that pisses me off. I know younger people don't agree. It used to be you would buy a ticket to a concert and be assigned a seat. Now people stand during the whole concert even though they have a seat to sit in. So, even if you want to sit and enjoy the music you can't because the people in front of you are standing and you can see anything. The last concert I went to we had really good seats close to the stage. Didn't matter, we had to stand during the whole thing. I told the Hub that I never want to go to a concert again. What is the point of paying for seats you can't sit in? Seems very rude to me. What about the older people or handicapped people or short people?
I like being able to dance at concerts, so if possible standing room tickets are perfect. But it may be a case of everyone having to do it even though they don't want to, because it's the only way to see once the front row stands up. Or for better selfie angles :P
That's kinda like what happens on planes sometimes. I don't like to recline because it takes away someone else's space, and I don't like it when people recline on me, but if I lose my space, I pretty much need to recline too. I've always wished reclining made your own seat go forward at the same time, so if you do it you lose your own legroom, instead of taking away someone else's. Then it's a purely personal trade off instead of pushing the annoyance further down the line.

This is brilliant!
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Post by: Dollar Slice on June 13, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Just say NO to live concerts!

Ack, don't say that! :-)

Live concerts aren't the problem. This probably happens at 1% of the shows I go to. It's just a certain kind of fan/artist/venue where this happens. It is pretty dire if you are mainly a fan of that kind of music, of course...
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Post by: dustinst22 on June 13, 2018, 12:49:32 PM
Here's an "I don't get it".

FB algorithm feed results.  Since when is Facebook better at deciding what I want to view?

How about you just give me what my friends are posting in the order it's posted, much like a forum?

Or at least offer that as a setting to the user, so they can decide what they want to view.
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Post by: dustinst22 on June 13, 2018, 01:00:23 PM

Call me picky, but my ideal phone simply doesn't exist.  All I want is a phone that works in the US with 2GB+ RAM, a good CPU, a body no larger than 130mm, a headphone jack, a user-replaceable battery, an SD card slot, and an unlocked bootloader (with good ROM support).  Such a device apparently doesn't exist.

No SD Slot (hard to find that these days), but the Iphone SE is a good phone with small dimensions.
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Post by: zolotiyeruki on June 13, 2018, 01:06:12 PM

Call me picky, but my ideal phone simply doesn't exist.  All I want is a phone that works in the US with 2GB+ RAM, a good CPU, a body no larger than 130mm, a headphone jack, a user-replaceable battery, an SD card slot, and an unlocked bootloader (with good ROM support).  Such a device apparently doesn't exist.

No SD Slot (hard to find that these days), but the Iphone SE is a good phone with small dimensions.
Yes, it meets those two criteria.  But it doesn't have an SD card slot, doesn't have an unlocked bootloader, and only sorta has a user-replaceable battery.
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Post by: markbike528CBX on June 13, 2018, 01:37:04 PM
Okay, here is another thing that pisses me off. I know younger people don't agree. It used to be you would buy a ticket to a concert and be assigned a seat. Now people stand during the whole concert even though they have a seat to sit in. So, even if you want to sit and enjoy the music you can't because the people in front of you are standing and you can see anything. The last concert I went to we had really good seats close to the stage. Didn't matter, we had to stand during the whole thing. I told the Hub that I never want to go to a concert again. What is the point of paying for seats you can't sit in? Seems very rude to me. What about the older people or handicapped people or short people?

the older people or handicapped people or short people?   
Sit in upper deck, balcony?
the only time this applied to me  is when I blew out a knee, on crutches, snuck into the VIP section (only a few reserved tables).  If that had not been an option, a spot off the mosh pit would have been acceptable.  Sonics/Mudhoney

As a shorter, near sighted person, I usually get as close as I can get, either just back of the mosh pit or squashed against the stage.

What I don't get is people who want the mosh/dancing crowd to sit down at a Bo Diddly show (free,outside). Really?  If I can't move to A Bo Diddly beat, then there is a good chance I might be dead.
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Post by: mak1277 on June 13, 2018, 02:21:07 PM
Okay, here is another thing that pisses me off. I know younger people don't agree. It used to be you would buy a ticket to a concert and be assigned a seat. Now people stand during the whole concert even though they have a seat to sit in. So, even if you want to sit and enjoy the music you can't because the people in front of you are standing and you can see anything. The last concert I went to we had really good seats close to the stage. Didn't matter, we had to stand during the whole thing. I told the Hub that I never want to go to a concert again. What is the point of paying for seats you can't sit in? Seems very rude to me. What about the older people or handicapped people or short people?

I'm 40+, so definitely not "younger"...I don't recall ever going to a concert and sitting down.  You're talking about rock concerts I assume, and not something like the symphony right?  I wouldn't even consider sitting down as an option at a rock concert.
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Post by: Dollar Slice on June 13, 2018, 02:52:36 PM
I'm 40+, so definitely not "younger"...I don't recall ever going to a concert and sitting down.  You're talking about rock concerts I assume, and not something like the symphony right?  I wouldn't even consider sitting down as an option at a rock concert.

I think the problem comes when different people have different ideas and expectations about the same music. It's not nearly as simple as rock=yes/no? For example, I consider Jason Isbell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClugMhMbrRg) a singer-songwriter, and would not ever think to dance to his music, but apparently 99% of his fans think his music is stand-up-and-fist-pump rock-and-roll-or-maybe-country. This was disappointing when I had an expensive 2nd row seat to see him at a fancy seated venue and everyone in front of me stood up and rhythmically pointed at him all night. (Another thing I don't get: why do people, almost always men, do that thing where they point at bands?)  OTOH, if you take me to see the Cubanos Postizos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjGaenxaeV0), I will happily take painkillers and dance as hard as I am able. To me, that's high-energy dance music. But when I went to see them in a seated theater, no one stood up. It's hard to predict, and people can be disappointed when they guessed wrong.
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Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 13, 2018, 03:07:06 PM
Okay, here is another thing that pisses me off. I know younger people don't agree. It used to be you would buy a ticket to a concert and be assigned a seat. Now people stand during the whole concert even though they have a seat to sit in. So, even if you want to sit and enjoy the music you can't because the people in front of you are standing and you can see anything. The last concert I went to we had really good seats close to the stage. Didn't matter, we had to stand during the whole thing. I told the Hub that I never want to go to a concert again. What is the point of paying for seats you can't sit in? Seems very rude to me. What about the older people or handicapped people or short people?

I'm 40+, so definitely not "younger"...I don't recall ever going to a concert and sitting down.  You're talking about rock concerts I assume, and not something like the symphony right?  I wouldn't even consider sitting down as an option at a rock concert.

Not exactly talking rock concerts, more like country music. Did you ever wonder why there are seats there? Did you ever think some older people can't stand the entire concert or someone short can't see over you? If you need to dance go to a club. This discussion is like what came first, the chicken or the egg. No one has the answer. I say if you buy a ticket and there are seats, people should sit. If there are no seats then stand.
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Post by: dustinst22 on June 13, 2018, 03:15:57 PM
I say if you buy a ticket and there are seats, people should sit. If there are no seats then stand.

Amen.  Roadrunner for president.
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Post by: Mezzie on June 13, 2018, 06:42:47 PM
Okay, here is another thing that pisses me off. I know younger people don't agree. It used to be you would buy a ticket to a concert and be assigned a seat. Now people stand during the whole concert even though they have a seat to sit in. So, even if you want to sit and enjoy the music you can't because the people in front of you are standing and you can see anything.

This annoys the hell out of me, as I am a huge live music fan and have a medical issue that makes it painful to stand for long periods. And the kind of show where this happens? Almost always very expensive tickets at big fancy venues. If I go to a show where this happens, that artist is immediately on my list of artists I'll never see again. If your fans want to dance, play a venue where that's possible, and the can't-dance contingent can go do something else that we'll enjoy. 

One time I was with a friend who has a more serious disability at a standing-up rock club, and he'd arranged in advance for us to sit in a special section for handicapped people. They sat us (and a bunch of fans in wheelchairs, etc.) BEHIND the people who were standing. So we were just staring at people's asses the whole time. $90 tickets.

The last concert that I went to this happened.  It kinda drove me nuts.  I wanted to sit and listen to the music . . . but literally everyone in the venue decided to stand up three songs in, and remain standing for the next two hours.  WTF.

One of my favorite bands (and most if its fans) has grown older with me. At their last concert, people started standing up during the first song. The audience as a whole was NOT having it and yelled at the people standing to sit down. My kind of crowd. :)
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Post by: Miss Piggy on June 13, 2018, 07:20:05 PM
This stand up/sit down debate is interesting to me. I firmly believe the artists WANT people to stand and dance and show they are having a good time. So it seems...I don't know...disrespectful or something to just sit the whole time.
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Post by: one piece at a time on June 13, 2018, 07:30:33 PM
Motorcycles that are ridiculously loud. Really, what is the point? Just noise pollution and stupid.
DH pointed out that they do that so car drivers will be alerted to their presence. Huh. I say they make a choice when they hop on a bike (obv. the wrong kind) and breaking the law to protect their decision is ridiculous. Everyone KNOWS that cars don't see motorcycles. If you're scared of that fact, don't fucking ride one. And if you choose to anyway, for Pete's sake, wear a certified helmet and stop bitching about those, too./end of rant

Two points;
1) The certification process increases prices and reduces options available. Safety is compromised as fewer fit options get created, as each fit option would have to be certified separately.
2) drivers choose not to comprehend the image that they see (which includes a motorcyclist) because they are in a crazy clown car and don't register the rider as a threat. Loud pipes are there to inform the driver that the rider is in fact the sort of person who will follow you home and give you a good kicking if you cut him off.
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Post by: Dollar Slice on June 13, 2018, 07:32:43 PM
This stand up/sit down debate is interesting to me. I firmly believe the artists WANT people to stand and dance and show they are having a good time. So it seems...I don't know...disrespectful or something to just sit the whole time.

Why play at a seated venue if you want people to stand and dance? There are lots of venues with open dance floors... they should play there. It's kind of a bait and switch to sell a ticket for an assigned seat, and when you show up "oh, but we didn't mean for you to USE that seat, ha!" I need to be clear before I buy the ticket on whether or not I can sit during the show. For medical reasons. I don't think that's a lot to ask.
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Post by: EricL on June 13, 2018, 07:42:49 PM
Man buns, top knots, whatever theyíre called.  I want to shoot guys who wear them. Instead I take solace guys who wear them have photos of themselves and their god awful choice immortalized on the internet for their ex-wives and children to mock forever. Much like my fatherís polyester shirts and bell bottom trousers.

[MOD NOTE:  I get how this thread is a little ranty, but let's keep things a little bit civil, here.]
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Post by: MandalayVA on June 13, 2018, 07:46:29 PM
This stand up/sit down debate is interesting to me. I firmly believe the artists WANT people to stand and dance and show they are having a good time. So it seems...I don't know...disrespectful or something to just sit the whole time.

The only time I remember sitting down at a rock concert for the whole show was when I saw Jethro Tull in the late eighties.  Nobody even stood during "Aqualung."  It wasn't a fun crowd.  I don't even remember why I went since I've never particularly liked Jethro Tull.  Oh, well.

If a venue offers seating, I generally sit for the slower songs or the ones I don't like.  What drives me insane at concerts is not sitting vs. standing, but people holding up their phones filming the show.  I didn't pay fifty bucks to watch your iPhone screen.


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Post by: Miss Piggy on June 13, 2018, 07:55:37 PM
This stand up/sit down debate is interesting to me. I firmly believe the artists WANT people to stand and dance and show they are having a good time. So it seems...I don't know...disrespectful or something to just sit the whole time.

Why play at a seated venue if you want people to stand and dance? There are lots of venues with open dance floors... they should play there.

I get what you're saying, but I can't think of any large (that's the key, especially for major musicians) concert venue in my area that only has a dance floor and doesn't have seats. Maybe that's not what you're suggesting.

Honestly, I think everyone should be accommodated. Make half the venue a sit-down area and the other half a stand up/dance area. Offer tickets accordingly. Or the lower level is sit, the higher levels are stand (or vice-versa).
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Post by: Dollar Slice on June 13, 2018, 08:05:44 PM
This stand up/sit down debate is interesting to me. I firmly believe the artists WANT people to stand and dance and show they are having a good time. So it seems...I don't know...disrespectful or something to just sit the whole time.

Why play at a seated venue if you want people to stand and dance? There are lots of venues with open dance floors... they should play there.

I get what you're saying, but I can't think of any large (that's the key, especially for major musicians) concert venue in my area that only has a dance floor and doesn't have seats. Maybe that's not what you're suggesting.

Right, those venues are ideal. What the rest of us are complaining about is being at a 100% seated theater where you are assigned a seat, and then folks stand the whole time so you can't see. You're fooled into thinking it's a seated event, but then everyone stands anyway.

I've been to over a thousand concerts and there are really not a lot of situations where this happens. But when it does, it's very annoying...
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Post by: Travis on June 13, 2018, 08:31:02 PM

Call me picky, but my ideal phone simply doesn't exist.  All I want is a phone that works in the US with 2GB+ RAM, a good CPU, a body no larger than 130mm, a headphone jack, a user-replaceable battery, an SD card slot, and an unlocked bootloader (with good ROM support).  Such a device apparently doesn't exist.

No SD Slot (hard to find that these days), but the Iphone SE is a good phone with small dimensions.
Yes, it meets those two criteria.  But it doesn't have an SD card slot, doesn't have an unlocked bootloader, and only sorta has a user-replaceable battery.

I need a new phone. I'm just as frustrated for similar reasons.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: zolotiyeruki on June 13, 2018, 10:16:23 PM

Call me picky, but my ideal phone simply doesn't exist.  All I want is a phone that works in the US with 2GB+ RAM, a good CPU, a body no larger than 130mm, a headphone jack, a user-replaceable battery, an SD card slot, and an unlocked bootloader (with good ROM support).  Such a device apparently doesn't exist.

No SD Slot (hard to find that these days), but the Iphone SE is a good phone with small dimensions.
Yes, it meets those two criteria.  But it doesn't have an SD card slot, doesn't have an unlocked bootloader, and only sorta has a user-replaceable battery.

I need a new phone. I'm just as frustrated for similar reasons.
The best I've found is the earlier versions of Sony's Xperia Lineup. I settled on a used Z3 compact, which has everything except the replaceable battery, and even that can be done with a bit of work. And it was relatively cheap, since it came out in 2014 and I bought it a month ago. The Z5 compact is almost exactly the same phone, just with a faster CPU.

While we are on the subject of phone annoyances, I'll add "glass back" to the list. Look, manufacturers, I get that you don't want metal, since you want NFC. But there's this other material you can use which, although not as "premium" or scratch -resistant as glass, is more durable, cheaper, and easier to form. It's called "plastic," and it's a perfectly acceptable material.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Nicholas Carter on June 14, 2018, 07:16:54 AM

If motorcyclists made their bikes loud so that cars would be alerted to their presence, the pipes would all point forwards.  The vehicles behind you can see you and know where you are.  It's the ones in front of you that you've got to be concerned about.
I don't think that's true. Because the cyclist knows where the cars in front of them are and can avoid driving into the back of them. 2/3 of all cycle involved accidents are caused by the car/truck operator behind or beside the motorcycle failing to look where the fuck they are going, and either merging into the side of a bike or running over a bike in front of them.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Nicholas Carter on June 14, 2018, 07:27:38 AM
Man buns, top knots, whatever theyíre called.  I want to shoot guys who wear them. 
Any day of the week fuck face. I'll buy your plane ticket.

[MOD NOTE:  Yes, he was out of line, but let's go back to being civil now.]
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Dicey on June 14, 2018, 07:34:59 AM
Motorcycles that are ridiculously loud. Really, what is the point? Just noise pollution and stupid.
DH pointed out that they do that so car drivers will be alerted to their presence. Huh. I say they make a choice when they hop on a bike (obv. the wrong kind) and breaking the law to protect their decision is ridiculous. Everyone KNOWS that cars don't see motorcycles. If you're scared of that fact, don't fucking ride one. And if you choose to anyway, for Pete's sake, wear a certified helmet and stop bitching about those, too./end of rant

If motorcyclists made their bikes loud so that cars would be alerted to their presence, the pipes would all point forwards.  The vehicles behind you can see you and know where you are.  It's the ones in front of you that you've got to be concerned about.
You know that and I know that, but they figure the louder the overall noise, the better their chances are. I guess pissing people off is one way of alerting them to your, uh, presence.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 14, 2018, 07:58:20 AM
Motorcycle owners jack up the noise on their machines to be 'cool' be 'noticed'. First of all it is not cool and no one cares! Why not dial back the noise. We have enough pollution and more noise is not desirable. I would be more impressed with a sleek machine that purred like a kitten.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GuitarStv on June 14, 2018, 08:03:53 AM
Motorcycles that are ridiculously loud. Really, what is the point? Just noise pollution and stupid.
DH pointed out that they do that so car drivers will be alerted to their presence. Huh. I say they make a choice when they hop on a bike (obv. the wrong kind) and breaking the law to protect their decision is ridiculous. Everyone KNOWS that cars don't see motorcycles. If you're scared of that fact, don't fucking ride one. And if you choose to anyway, for Pete's sake, wear a certified helmet and stop bitching about those, too./end of rant

If motorcyclists made their bikes loud so that cars would be alerted to their presence, the pipes would all point forwards.  The vehicles behind you can see you and know where you are.  It's the ones in front of you that you've got to be concerned about.
You know that and I know that, but they figure the louder the overall noise, the better their chances are. I guess pissing people off is one way of alerting them to your, uh, presence.

I always figured that they just liked the VROOOM VROOM sounds.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: wenchsenior on June 14, 2018, 08:25:41 AM
Motorcycles that are ridiculously loud. Really, what is the point? Just noise pollution and stupid.
DH pointed out that they do that so car drivers will be alerted to their presence. Huh. I say they make a choice when they hop on a bike (obv. the wrong kind) and breaking the law to protect their decision is ridiculous. Everyone KNOWS that cars don't see motorcycles. If you're scared of that fact, don't fucking ride one. And if you choose to anyway, for Pete's sake, wear a certified helmet and stop bitching about those, too./end of rant

If motorcyclists made their bikes loud so that cars would be alerted to their presence, the pipes would all point forwards.  The vehicles behind you can see you and know where you are.  It's the ones in front of you that you've got to be concerned about.
You know that and I know that, but they figure the louder the overall noise, the better their chances are. I guess pissing people off is one way of alerting them to your, uh, presence.

I always figured that they just liked the VROOOM VROOM sounds.

I have always figured they are getting a sexual thrill from the prostate stimulation.

I despise loud vehicles. Jet skis are the worst, but they all suck.  My instantaneous thought when I hear a loud vehicle is "douchebag."
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: ysette9 on June 14, 2018, 08:38:20 AM
Man buns, top knots, whatever they’re called.  I want to shoot guys who wear them. 
Any day of the week fuck face. I'll buy your plane ticket.

[MOD NOTE:  Yes, he was out of line, but let's go back to being civil now.]

I actually kind of like man buns, and I normally find long hair on men to be very unattractive. The stereotypical long-haired man on the front of a romance novel is gag-inducing to me.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 14, 2018, 08:46:08 AM
Some states have maximum decibel limits, some have no rules at all. How would a cop stop a motorcycle and test for decibels anyway?

http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/motorcycle-noise-limits/

I wish they would have a decibel station around where I live and make them all pull over for testing.

But it doesn't look like cops do much decibel testing...

https://patch.com/california/berkeley/ask-a-cop-why-deafeningly-loud-motorcycles-not-cited
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GuitarStv on June 14, 2018, 08:47:50 AM
I don't get why shaving legs isn't a socially acceptable thing for men, but shaving your face is.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 14, 2018, 08:55:45 AM
Go ahead and shave your legs if you want to! However, men are lucky that they don't have to shave their legs! YUK! You shave your legs today and tomorrow there is stubble. Then your legs get dry big time in the winter months when the humidity is low. I tried wax one time and it was hell on earth! I have tried the cream hair removal and it is inefficient and burns a bit and smells terrible.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Sojourner on June 14, 2018, 08:57:28 AM
This talk of loud motorcycles reminds me of an unannouced visit from my BIL, who never visits, lives about 5 miles away.

His dad had passed away and left inheritance in the $100k - $200K range, not sure.  Not long after the toys started showing up, including BMW and a new Harley.  He showed up at my door one day saying he was in the neighborhood riding his new bike around.  So, of course I felt obligated to ooh and ahh the thing, gold metallic flake paint, flashy (gaudy IMO).

Said he was scheduled to get some dealer accessories.  Was showing me with hand gestures the new add-ons so I could imagine them since they hadn't been installed yet.  It was also to be fitted with louder exhaust.  I asked why.  He said, for example, like recently when he pulled up to a traffic light and a guy on another Harley looked over, without the louder exhaust he was embarrassed his bike wasn't loud enough.  Didn't mention anything about safety.  Now that his bike is louder, his manhood is more intact I guess.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Dabnasty on June 14, 2018, 08:59:29 AM
I don't get why shaving legs isn't a socially acceptable thing for men, but shaving your face is.

Because men like to make fun of each other for anything that seems remotely feminine. I don't think I would notice if a man shaved his legs.

And what's wrong with men wearing makeup. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm 100% against it and I'll make fun of my friends if they do, but why :?
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Dabnasty on June 14, 2018, 09:02:42 AM
This talk of loud motorcycles reminds me of an unannouced visit from my BIL, who never visits, lives about 5 miles away.

His dad had passed away and left inheritance in the $100k - $200K range, not sure.  Not long after the toys started showing up, including BMW and a new Harley.  He showed up at my door one day saying he was in the neighborhood riding his new bike around.  So, of course I felt obligated to ooh and ahh the thing, gold metallic flake paint, flashy (gaudy IMO).

Said he was scheduled to get some dealer accessories.  Was showing me with hand gestures the new add-ons so I could imagine them since they hadn't been installed yet.  It was also to be fitted with louder exhaust.  I asked why.  He said, for example, like recently when he pulled up to a traffic light and a guy on another Harley looked over, without the louder exhaust he was embarrassed his bike wasn't loud enough.  Didn't mention anything about safety.  Now that his bike is louder, his manhood is more intact I guess.

Did he at least chuckle when he said this, or was it straight faced serious?
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Dave1442397 on June 14, 2018, 09:05:25 AM
Here's an "I don't get it".

FB algorithm feed results.  Since when is Facebook better at deciding what I want to view?

How about you just give me what my friends are posting in the order it's posted, much like a forum?

Or at least offer that as a setting to the user, so they can decide what they want to view.

That drove me nuts too. I added Social Fixer to my Chrome browser, and set my FB feed to display posts in descending order by time posted. I also filter out 'suggested' posts, political posts, and other crap that I don't want to see. Here's a link to the software on CNET, but if you use the Chrome browser it's just an add-on.

https://download.cnet.com/Social-Fixer/3000-33362_4-75180680.html
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: dustinst22 on June 14, 2018, 09:55:22 AM



That drove me nuts too. I added Social Fixer to my Chrome browser, and set my FB feed to display posts in descending order by time posted. I also filter out 'suggested' posts, political posts, and other crap that I don't want to see. Here's a link to the software on CNET, but if you use the Chrome browser it's just an add-on.

https://download.cnet.com/Social-Fixer/3000-33362_4-75180680.html

Awesome, didn't know this existed -- thanks!
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: zolotiyeruki on June 14, 2018, 10:12:20 AM
F.B. Purity is another extension that's worth trying out.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: I Want to Believe on June 15, 2018, 08:30:52 AM
Something I don't get, Vanity Plates on vehicles!
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GreenEggs on June 15, 2018, 09:18:21 AM
Something I don't get, Vanity Plates on vehicles!

Ditto.

Also, why do people block their plates when posting pics of vehicles online?  Can you get their address or other info from a license plate number?  I mean we all see hundreds of them on the roads every day.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Roadrunner53 on June 15, 2018, 09:42:25 AM
I don't get why people throw their garbage on the ground. People like to go to beautiful parks and clean downtown areas, beaches. People like to eat in clean restaurants. Why do people act like animals? There are plenty of garbage cans to use. People throw out beer cans and booze bottles out in our front lawn all the time. It is always a pleasure to step on broken glass, rusted can lids at the beach or step on a hypodermic needle. No better way to ruin a day out than spending it in the clinic getting your foot sewn up or worrying about getting AIDS.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Trifele on June 15, 2018, 09:50:53 AM
Something I don't get, Vanity Plates on vehicles!

Ditto.

Also, why do people block their plates when posting pics of vehicles online?  Can you get their address or other info from a license plate number?  I mean we all see hundreds of them on the roads every day.

I just searched online for my own license plate number and quickly found the VIN.  With the VIN, I quickly found a company that offered to sell me a complete report on the vehicle owner with name, address, and phone number -- for $2.95. 

If companies are selling those reports that cheap, I think there is probably a way to do it yourself online for free . . .
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Hula Hoop on June 15, 2018, 10:50:23 AM
I don't get why people throw their garbage on the ground. People like to go to beautiful parks and clean downtown areas, beaches. People like to eat in clean restaurants. Why do people act like animals? There are plenty of garbage cans to use. People throw out beer cans and booze bottles out in our front lawn all the time. It is always a pleasure to step on broken glass, rusted can lids at the beach or step on a hypodermic needle. No better way to ruin a day out than spending it in the clinic getting your foot sewn up or worrying about getting AIDS.

This morning on the way to work I saw a woman throw a cigarette on the sidewalk and then walk into a church I'm assuming to pray.  Maybe she went in there to confess her littering sins.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: NoraLenderbee on June 15, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
I don't get why shaving legs isn't a socially acceptable thing for men, but shaving your face is.

It's definitely acceptable among bicyclists. Shaved legs show off the muscles really well.

Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Travis on June 15, 2018, 03:10:02 PM
I don't get why shaving legs isn't a socially acceptable thing for men, but shaving your face is.

It's definitely acceptable among bicyclists. Shaved legs show off the muscles really well.

It seems more socially acceptable for men if they have a functional reason for doing so.  I see shaved legs on male runners and swimmers a lot.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: Trifele on June 15, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
Speaking of male shaving customs, I have often wondered why more men don't shave their underarms.  (Or maybe they do, and I just don't know about it.)

I've had both hairy and shaved underarms, and shaved is more comfortable. It feels cooler, and I stink less.   
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: GreenEggs on June 15, 2018, 04:20:19 PM
I've been shaving my pits so the deodorant works better.  Otherwise, it gets wasted & doesn't work very well.

I'm old enough to not care about what anybody thinks. 
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: shinn497 on June 15, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
I don't get why people get so excited about kids.

They are load, emit a bunch of gross fluids, cost a ton of money, require a ton of time, and are stressful. I mean human capital is important and all but I just don't see the draw.

I have a poo poo dating life, but if I ever had a gf, I would want to spend my time going on amazing dates and being able to enjoy each other rather than raising a kid but hey that is me.
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: ysette9 on June 15, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
I don't get why people get so excited about kids.

They are load, emit a bunch of gross fluids, cost a ton of money, require a ton of time, and are stressful. I mean human capital is important and all but I just don't see the draw.

I have a poo poo dating life, but if I ever had a gf, I would want to spend my time going on amazing dates and being able to enjoy each other rather than raising a kid but hey that is me.
To sum up succinctly: because we are programmed by evolution to have a deep-seated desire to reproduce, as that is the very definition of life. Maybe that isn’t true for everyone on the individual level, but as a population it certainly is. As rational as you can be about it (and I don’t disagree with your assessment), when the brain kicks in and says “I need a baby” it is an incredibly intense siren call.

Side note; My kids do produce loads, but they tend to be loud, not load. :)
Title: Re: The 'I Don't Get It' thread. Rants accepted.
Post by: shinn497 on June 15, 2018, 05:52:28 PM
I don't get why people get so excited about kids.

They are load, emit a bunch of gross fluids, cost a ton of money, require a ton of time, and are stressful. I mean human capital is important and all but I just don't see the draw.

I have a poo poo dating life, but if I ever had a gf, I would want to spend my time going on amazing dates and being able to enjoy each other rather than raising a kid but hey that is me.
To sum up succinctly: because we are programmed by evolution to have a deep-seated desire to reproduce, as that is the very definition of life. Maybe that isnít true for everyone on the individual level, but as a population it certainly is. As rational as you can be about it (and I donít disagree with your assessment), when the brain kicks in and says ďI need a babyĒ it is an incredibly intense siren call.

Side note; My kids do produce loads, but they tend to be loud, not load. :)

The thing that got is is somewhere along the line a baby went from being a burden (as a teenager) to a blessing. Personally I think I'm still a teenager, so everytime a friend has a baby I freak out a bit then remember that its something to be happy about.

I also wonder if it makes sense when you are in a relationship for a long time? Because I'm 31 and not feeling it at all.

Also maybe you guys can understand this a bit more here. How, really now, how expensive are kids really? MMM convinced me they are not. However, some of my peers seem to always blame their money problems on their kids. And then they tell me "I'll understand when I have kids." and I'm like really?

That makes me a bit salty since dating has always been so emotional and difficult for me. And they just seem to ignore that. Like I've missed out on decades of love and happiness, and it honestly feels like I'm going to die alone most days,  and that is just something that others seem to think I can change like tommorow.