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Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« on: August 22, 2018, 09:04:00 AM »
I'm interested in learning to weld and probably doing some paid side work with it.

My local community college program offers both an associates in welding and a couple of non-credit courses for "hobbyists". I also know there are some apprenticeship programs through unions, but I'm not sure if I have access to those locally.

I'm self employed and have some passive income, so I could either take time off for a bootcamp-style learning experience, take courses part time, take a job offering on-the-job-training, or even start an apprenticeship if I thought it was the right move.

Can anyone suggest the best way to learn?

I know there's a big shortfall of welders, but are jobs often flexible enough that you could take time off if you needed? I've heard of welders getting laid off on purpose and then taking a few months to travel, etc.

Thoughts?
« Last Edit: August 22, 2018, 09:09:13 AM by RusticBohemian »

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Re: Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2018, 09:39:32 AM »
The welders who made decent money have their own rigs and travel around, mostly the West, looking for work. When in demand they can make good money, but they also have a lot of expenses. Probably one of the highest paid is underwater welding but that takes some serious time to get into.

At best coming out of a community college type school you're looking at maybe $13/hr depending on location.

There are some speciality shops that pay a premium but it truly is an art. TIG welding by far is the hardest but highest quality and will pay the most.

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2018, 09:56:30 AM »
One problem with welding is all the fumes/grinding dust.  Our shop is on the opposite side of a welding company and the fumes are so strong you can smell them through the walls. The employees are so accustomed to the fumes they don't even notice.  If you were welding outside it might be okay.  Have you looked into machining? Could be a better alternative, community college has associate degree programs that also teach cad/cam.

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Re: Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2018, 12:12:22 PM »
Start with the hobbyists course

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Re: Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2018, 02:19:26 PM »
Welders here, which is BFE Iowa, start at $18-$20 an hour, with full benefits. 

I think if I were to do anything again (I'm not a welder, by the way) and wanted to be my own boss, I'd be an electrician.  In rural areas, you can name your wage, and you'll never have a lack of work. 

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2018, 03:05:04 PM »
Welding is a very broad field, so your questions are kind of hard to answer.
There are some dirty nasty welding jobs out there where you have to lay on your back in the weather welding on trucks and rail cars, and at the opposite end there is a lot of really precision welding done in controlled climate environments where you hardly get dirty.

It can be a very good job with good pay and great benefits including ample vacations, retirement plan, health insurance, etc.
From my experience, pipe fitter welders in food processing or chemical type plants do very well.   Learn how to work with stainless and other special alloys if you want to command get the best and highest paying work.   Stay away from the high production places welding carbon steel like structural steel fabricators or place that produce semi trailers, etc.

Take care of your eyes and lungs and don't go to work somewhere where they compromise safety or worker health.

I went to school with a guy that went to the Hobart welding school in Ohio, worked his way up thru the trades with several companies and is now the head of the frame shop for a major NASCAR team.   The welding trade can take you places if you do your part.

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2018, 05:43:24 PM »
My DD's fiance is a welder for the municipal water department.  He started shortly after HS and has been there for about 15 years now.  He is making decent money but the following items are more important to him.

1) Pension and job security (union shop)
2) No student debt!  Initial training was a the local community college and took about a year as I recall.  This is a double win because he was able to start work younger with less debt.
3) Free specialty training.  He takes lots of classes and gets every type of welding certification he can (more job security)
4) Demographics, almost everyone else in the welding shop is 20-30 years older than him.  As they retire he is well suited to move up because of his seniority and skill set.
5) Time value of money.  Because he started work young, he is gaining extra compounding time on his savings and pension.

He is not totally mustachian but he was frugal enough to buy a house in his early 20s in a rapidly appreciating market.

I am a firm believer in the value of trades education.  Too many kids are pushed into 4+ year liberal arts colleges where they may be better off getting a 1-2 year trade school education and becoming a welder, machinist, plumber, mechanic, etc.  Trades jobs are in high demand and pay well compared to the cost of education.

IMO a big part of the student loan crisis is caused by kids being pushed into college when they should either go to trade school or even just go to work straight out of HS.  Many of the crushing student loan debt stories are for kids who didn't really have a career plan when they started college.

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Re: Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2018, 06:14:35 PM »
Welders can normally be found in the nearest bar either complaining about how they don't have any work or that it's too hot to do the work they do have.

Just for fun watch this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPnNpKVe8GQ


Just giving all my welding buddies a hard time.
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Re: Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2018, 11:03:34 PM »
Welders here, which is BFE Iowa, start at $18-$20 an hour, with full benefits. 

I think if I were to do anything again (I'm not a welder, by the way) and wanted to be my own boss, I'd be an electrician.  In rural areas, you can name your wage, and you'll never have a lack of work.

I was making more than that in the early 90s and there was plenty to do.

I should have stuck with it, but the market collapse did destroy that career field. The boom is taking off and the guys are in the mid 30s and up for an hourly wage, plus plenty of OT available. Prevailing wage really pushes the pay up, with mid 50's. HEavy machinery repair guys are mid 40s.

I may look at the part time work side, when I retire from the current job. Just not sure the inhalation of all that lovely junk is worth the risk, as I get older.


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Re: Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2018, 03:39:12 AM »
I'm interested in learning to weld and probably doing some paid side work with it.

I know there's a big shortfall of welders, but are jobs often flexible enough that you could take time off if you needed? I've heard of welders getting laid off on purpose and then taking a few months to travel, etc.

Thoughts?

I was never a welder, but I have worked closely with welders for over forty years. I was employed as an industrial designer and worked alongside welders in chemical plants, oil refineries, shipyards, metal shops, and manufacturing facilities. From my viewpoint, the work is never easy. The daily routine is hot, dirty, labor intensive, and hazardous. I have met many smart and intelligent welders, however, I have witnessed that most are looked down upon form white collar workers and management. Most of the welders that I know, do not work for companies that provide adequate benefits (crappy health insurance, 5 days paid off per year total - including vacay, holiday, sick, safety training, etc). Some welders make decent livings, but the price to pay usually involves Overtime, hazardous conditions, and/or travel. Welding can be outdoor work and are sent home due to weather conditions. Generally welding is required for capital intensive projects - and because of that fact, the projects end; when capital drys up: layoffs happen. I know of a few welders who have become quite wealthy by starting their own company.

All that said, now that I am retired, I am interested in learning to weld. However, I am interested as a hobby and not as an occupation. 

I have met plenty welders looking for a way out.

Good luck with your decision.

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Re: Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2018, 09:53:11 AM »
I started out as a welder and pretty quickly moved up in the industry. While not “healthy”, having worked with many people in the industry in their 60’s, I don’t know how much scientific research there is to backup health issues regarding the fumes. Some welding processes have little to no fumes. Again, I’m sure it’s not “healthy” but not even remotely close to smoking, or even being obese, in terms of health related issues. I have yet to see anything scientific.

If you’re willing to travel and do contract work, a reasonably skilled welder could make $120k-$180k pretty easily. I welded a few years then moved into management and such. I’m 30 and have had several years over $200k, with about 1/4 of that being tax free per diem. This year I’ll be around $265k. I’m taking home around $4k/wk working 40 hrs in a very nice office 90% of the time. I started off as a welder and just have an associates degree and some certs.

Like others mentioned, to really make the money it’s long hours, travel, and working in the elements. Also takes some skill and of course, hard work. Most people couldn’t handle it to be honest.

There is a lot of potential up the chain for the right person, and the “right” person is often more than just a select few easily identifiable traits.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2018, 10:47:42 AM »
Good stuff here.  I'll mention that specialty welding can be beneficial such as pressure containing welding (pipes or vessels)or armor welding.

You might also consider becoming a CWI (certified weld inspector).  All critical welds have to be inspected and stamped by a CWI and may provide some travel opportunity

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Re: Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2018, 11:11:57 AM »
I'd be curious about how y'all are getting such high amounts of $ in tax free per diem. I work for an airline and my understanding is the most we can make without the government getting their cut is the M&IE rate at around $60/day.

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2018, 03:41:26 PM »
I'd be curious about how y'all are getting such high amounts of $ in tax free per diem. I work for an airline and my understanding is the most we can make without the government getting their cut is the M&IE rate at around $60/day.

My rate also includes “housing” I.e. they don’t pay for a hotel. Could that be the difference?

Highest I’ve made was around $165/day per diem paid 7 days regardless of days worked.

Right now I get $140/day paid 7 days, even though I’m working 5. I also get a $500/mo tax free trip home allowance.

I’ve never worked a job where I didn’t get per diem 7 days. I haven’t worked a job with no per diem in 6-7 years.

It adds up. Pretty good for a “welder,” lol.

As above mentioned, my comments in wages earlier for welders were specified mostly to specialty pipe welders. Anything else is pretty much notches below pay-wise. Especially getting qualified in more base metals. I was certified in TIG and SMAW on pipe with carbon steel, stainless steel, and copper nickel. There’s endless base metals, P number groupings to qualify on, codes to qualify on, etc.

One would be amazed at how many different codes there are to follow. I’m pretty familiar with about a dozen that range from 150-850 page of technical specifications relating to everything you can imagine.
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Re: Talk to me about your job/career in welding
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2018, 05:46:41 PM »
I have never been a professional welder, but I took some classes in college. Judging by what I was taught and who I met in college, most (but not all) full time welders are building sky scrapers or similar large structures outdoors with "stick" and breathing fumes or enduring the weather outdoors all day every day. It's a dirty rough job.

Tig welders on the other could wear a tuxedo to work, do not breathe fumes, get paid far more, and can't work in the elements. They literally pay low skilled workers to tent the area if something needs to be tigged outside and the weather is bad.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2018, 09:08:43 PM »
I have never been a professional welder, but I took some classes in college. Judging by what I was taught and who I met in college, most (but not all) full time welders are building sky scrapers or similar large structures outdoors with "stick" and breathing fumes or enduring the weather outdoors all day every day. It's a dirty rough job.

Tig welders on the other could wear a tuxedo to work, do not breathe fumes, get paid far more, and can't work in the elements. They literally pay low skilled workers to tent the area if something needs to be tigged outside and the weather is bad.

Having been in the industry nearly a decade this is not remotely the truth. I’ve built nuclear plants, power plants, refineries, chemical plants, offshore drilling rigs, storage terminals, etc.

The guys that probably make the very most in the industry are the pipeline welders with their own rig (welding truck). Top I’ve seen them making is around 55-60/hr, $150/day per diem (tax free) and usually another $12/hr for their rig expenses (also tax free). You factor in a 60-80 hr work week and they are doing pretty well. They also usually have a helper that does all the grunt work. The welder can easily spend half their day sitting in their truck.

I was a tig and stick welder and have worked around the most complex welders in the industry. They are a bit harder to come by but not remotely close to what you’re mentioning. They still work outside, in really tough conditions. Yes - they may have a hooch built to protect them from wind, but that’s about it. Imagine welding a pipe that has a pre-heat maintained at 250+ degrees while you’re 2’ away welding it, like most of the different chrome welders do.

There might be some factories or processing centers that might be clean like you state, but probably 95% of the welders in the industry making $150k/yr+ are either on pipelines or refinery type work.

As mentioned before, the highest pay is when you move above welding to management, inspection, or even safety. I’ve known countless people in the $1000-$1200/day range in those positions.

One thing I like most about the industry, since so much is contract work, you can easily find super high paying shorter term contract work for when you get closer to retirement. If I don’t take a full time job, in the next 5-7 years I’ll probably move to 3-4 months of work a year while the stache grows.

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2018, 11:15:48 PM »
There might be some factories or processing centers that might be clean like you state, but probably 95% of the welders in the industry making $150k/yr+ are either on pipelines or refinery type work.

I certainly trust your experience more than my college classes. I think that they were training people for the local metro job market, and I don't think that we have much oil/gas/refinery work in Portland. So yes, some of them ended up tigging together stainless steel commercial kitchen fixtures in a factory. I definitely decided that I didn't want to be sticking a building together.

I should mention that one of my friends got hired at a local train car manufacturing firm and they paid him to learn to flux-core a box car together. I think with some experience he was making ~46K/yr with benefits including 401k, which beats flipping burgers and he didn't have to pay for school. It was still out doors with all the joy of grinding metal, flux, and smoke.

I think welding is a great thing to know, but it seems like a hard life if you aren't making oil and gas money.

EDITed to add, I guess there are some very technical positions and then there are a bunch of guys using flux core to hot-glue-gun a mild steel box car together. I successfully welded stainless steel to cast iron turbo exhaust housing in my garage once, which is the only thing I have to brag about.
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2018, 11:38:48 PM »
I read this thread the other day with interest, thinking I'd never have anything to add. Today, I stopped at a random Open House. The Realtor and I had a lovely chat. She said she had been a "pop" welder for fifteen years. Huh, I'm thinking, "What's a pop welder?" Uh, that's a pipe welder with a southern accent. I mentioned this thread, and she agreed that mig, tig and underwater welding were the way to go. She said she loved being a welder, but that fifteen years was enough on her body, so she got into real estate instead.

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2018, 08:44:45 AM »
I was a "welder" for several years about 20 years ago.   As mentioned above, the term "welder" can be a pretty broad definition.   I worked in shipyards where the "welders" did absolutely nothing but weld.   There were others such as "shipfitters" (which is what I actually was) who did the actual construction.   We would measure, layout, cut the steel and put it together.   We would weld it enough to hold and then the "welder" would come in.   Of course, when building a ship, the "small" welds that we would do to hold it, would be 10 to 12 inches long on 2 or three inch thick steel.   I much more enjoyed the actual building of the items rather than simply pulling the trigger on a mig all day.  I also worked in truck body and trailer fabrication, heavy equipment repair etc...   

I actually come from a long line of "welders" or more properly "iron workers".  My father was a boilermaker (fancy term for a steel fabricator/iron worker) in a mine.   My mother's father was a structural iron worker that built dams, radio towers, titan missile sites (during the cold war) etc...   As I grew up I learned the trade.   When I got out the military, I had a job the next day.   Welders/iron workers are always needed.  I never had an issue finding a job.  I always got paid well (I used to carry around two or three weekly paychecks until I got around to going to the bank)  It is hard and dirty work.  Jobs can last months or years.   It stinks when your foreman comes in and hands you a "pink slip" and lets you know you have been laid off. Injuries are common (cuts, burns, back injuries etc..)   Breathing in welding fumes all day for years will destroy your lungs (my Dad is a perfect example of that right now).   It can be a very flexible, transient job.  I used to work with a lot of guys that would go up and work in Alaska during the summer (canneries or the pipeline) and then come down and work short contracts in southern California in the winter.   Even back then (again 20+ years ago), wages were 30 plus dollars an hour.   Recently I spoke to some guys that were making $75.00 an hour (plus per diem) on a job.   That job only lasted a few months while a company had to catch up on a job. 

There are a lot of positives in being a welder/fabricator, but there are negatives also (as I mentioned above).   

Working a trade such as a welder (or a carpenter, electrician, plumber etc...) is an honest, honorable career.   I am the result of generations of blue collar tradesman that provided for their families.   Skilled tradesman are harder and harder to find.   I left the trade because I was tired of being laid off, plus I found a job that took be closer to my family.     To this day, I keep a small welding machine in my garage and use it several times a month.   It is a skill that I use all the time.   Even if you don't want to do it as a career, it is a great skill to have and I encourage you to learn it you are interested in it. 

 

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