successor to Personal Finance / FIRE Twitter?

[WaterproofBanjo]

The enshittification of Twitter/X seems nearly complete. My last straw was seeing a post on my "for you" timeline with almost uniformly horribly toxic racist responses to it. Upon further investigation, the profile of the person posting it said "Blood, Soil, and Grass-Fed Beef". Choosing to describe yourself with "blood and soil" is straight-up Nazi shit, and I don't need that promoted to me.

There has been worthwhile personal-finance discourse on Twitter/X (and still some good stuff posted there). But I'm done with the place. Any opinions on a replacement for personal-finance and FIRE content? Blue Sky? Spoutable? Mastodon? Other?

[Sanitary Stache]

There is good content here in moderation and it will never be enshittifed since there is no profit model here.

You’ll probably find good content also in moderation in your own community too. Plenty of people are trying to figure out personal finance and want to talk about it.

What kind of content are you into specifically? Stock market bets? Family budgets? Shopping deals for consumer whores? DIY? Taking advantage of government assistance programs like tax sheltered investment accounts and the ACA exchange?

I recently found a bunch of YouTube creators reviewing family budgets in the wake of Ramit Sethi’s Netflix show. Which is pretty good and I hope gets better.

[Kris]

Yeah, my DH just read an article about how a fair number of large companies are pulling their advertising from X because their ads keep showing up adjacent to hate speech.

Edit: here’s the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/17/apple-disney-x-musk-antisemitic/#

[neo von retorch]

There has been worthwhile personal-finance discourse on Twitter/X (and still some good stuff posted there). But I'm done with the place. Any opinions on a replacement for personal-finance and FIRE content? Blue Sky? Spoutable? Mastodon? Other?

FWIW, I created an ActivityPub account (commonly called Mastodon, but there's hundreds if not thousands of available servers and accounts that can be used to get in on the action, just like email.) Mine is at https://hachyderm.io but you could pick one of many mastodon servers as a starting point. Once joined, you can search any for the relevant content. You can subscribe to hashtags like #personalfinance and get lots of relevant content and discover new accounts along the way.

For example, https://mastodon.social/tags/personalfinance or https://hachyderm.io/tags/personalfinance - note that you see posts from other servers on here, not just the one you joined. However, the more populated a server, the more widespread the locally cached content is, too. But, certainly, there's less overall content and fewer users on this network... for now. But it keeps growing. Over 14 million accounts - https://mastodon.social/@mastodonusercount

[SomedayStache]

Are blogs going to make a come back? lol
I also miss the old PF twitter and it's demise is one of the reasons I have found myself lurking on the MMM forums and the boglehead forums again. Unfortunately neither of those forums plays nicely on my phone.

[GilesMM]

You could post your FIRe questions here.

[Ron Scott]

I think Bogleheads is probably the best place for personal finance on the web. Some on this board don’t like that site as they typically don’t have mustache-like sensibilities (frugality, quit “working for the man”, etc.) but it’s first rate on most of the financial stuff.

Sad about X tho. I think Russia, China, North Korea, Iran et al are thrilled to see the impact of today’s media on us. Anger, lies, political bias—all good for our adversaries.

[FireLane]

This forum right here is the best place for finance/FIRE content.

It's got the highest signal-to-noise ratio of any site I follow. Lots of knowledgeable people who'll give you advice, no spam, and no algorithms deciding what you see. I've learned more about finance from reading MMM than from anywhere else.

Reddit's r/personalfinance and r/financialindependence are OK, but you have to be more careful about newbies giving incorrect answers.

[HeadedWest2029]

The demise of Twitter bums me out too.  I mainly use my curated list of Feedly subscriptions for personal finance, but Twitter was how I discovered new people & content to follow.
FWIW, this is my Feedly subscribe list:

The Compound (Ritholtz Wealth Management) - Youtube
A Wealth of Common Sense - blog
All-In Podcast - Youtube (only partly finance)
Bankless - Youtube for the weekly rollup on crypto
Charlie Bilello - Youtube for the weekly charts
Collaborative Fund - only the Morgan Housel posts
Early Retirement Now - blog
Of Dollars & Data - blog
Tipswatch - blog

and mostly abandoned blogs...
Go Curry Cracker - blog
Mad Fientist - blog
Mr. Money Mustache - blog
Root of Good - blog

I also lurk here obviously and the r/financialindependence on Reddit

[halfling]

Reddit's great. Discord is good but can be kind of a mess. I actually think forums might be making a comeback. I think platform popularity among my friends goes like: Reddit, Discord, Forums.

[Chris Pascale]

Choosing to describe yourself with "blood and soil" is straight-up Nazi

I would think they were just into farming, because of the blood meal for the soil.

Not on twitter, though, so don't have to sort through that stuff.

[WaterproofBanjo]

Choosing to describe yourself with "blood and soil" is straight-up Nazi

I would think they were just into farming, because of the blood meal for the soil.

Not on twitter, though, so don't have to sort through that stuff.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil

No, it's one of those dog-whistle things, where the Nazis all get it; most normies don't; and to anyone who calls them on it, they can say "I have no idea what you mean, I'm just into farming!"

Easy to tell the difference with this guy, lots of "blacks and immigrants are trash" posts, nothing about the benefits of blood meal for the soil.

[WaterproofBanjo]

This forum right here is the best place for finance/FIRE content.

It's got the highest signal-to-noise ratio of any site I follow.

After coming back here more lately, I think you're right.

[Chris Pascale]

Choosing to describe yourself with "blood and soil" is straight-up Nazi

I would think they were just into farming, because of the blood meal for the soil.

Not on twitter, though, so don't have to sort through that stuff.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil

...........to anyone who calls them on it, they can say "I have no idea what you mean, I'm just into farming!"

While probably just some suburban dip shit with a pickup that he sullies the flag with as he lets it rip apart at 60mph on the highway.

[Michael in ABQ]

Yeah, my DH just read an article about how a fair number of large companies are pulling their advertising from X because their ads keep showing up adjacent to hate speech.

Edit: here’s the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/17/apple-disney-x-musk-antisemitic/#

I can't read this due to the paywall but I'm guessing it's based on Media Matters subscribing to the most extreme accounts and large corporations and then refreshing the pages hundreds of times until they finally got an ad to show up next to a post with "hate speech".

They may as well just have photoshopped the image for all the relevancy it has to the real world. Which is why X is suing them for defamation since X determined that Media Matters account was literally the only one that ever had those advertisements appear next to those posts.

[BlueHouse]

Threads is good.  It's finally picked up steam and it's gaining against twitter

[bacchi]

Yeah, my DH just read an article about how a fair number of large companies are pulling their advertising from X because their ads keep showing up adjacent to hate speech.

Edit: here’s the article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/11/17/apple-disney-x-musk-antisemitic/#

I can't read this due to the paywall but I'm guessing it's based on Media Matters subscribing to the most extreme accounts and large corporations and then refreshing the pages hundreds of times until they finally got an ad to show up next to a post with "hate speech".

They may as well just have photoshopped the image for all the relevancy it has to the real world. Which is why X is suing them for defamation since X determined that Media Matters account was literally the only one that ever had those advertisements appear next to those posts.

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The OP posted that they're 'seeing a post on my "for you" timeline with almost uniformly horribly toxic racist responses to it' and they follow PF/FI tweeters. If racist tweets are showing up for random users reading FI tweets, why wouldn't it also show up for others? That seems pretty real world to me.

[FireLane]

I can't read this due to the paywall but I'm guessing it's based on Media Matters subscribing to the most extreme accounts and large corporations and then refreshing the pages hundreds of times until they finally got an ad to show up next to a post with "hate speech".

They may as well just have photoshopped the image for all the relevancy it has to the real world. Which is why X is suing them for defamation since X determined that Media Matters account was literally the only one that ever had those advertisements appear next to those posts.

Elon Musk is not suing Media Matters for defamation. Seriously, read the complaint. (Try searching for "cause of action".)

That's just as well for them, since defamation requires showing that the other party said something that's actually false - not something that's true but that presents facts in a way you dislike.

[Michael in ABQ]

I can't read this due to the paywall but I'm guessing it's based on Media Matters subscribing to the most extreme accounts and large corporations and then refreshing the pages hundreds of times until they finally got an ad to show up next to a post with "hate speech".

They may as well just have photoshopped the image for all the relevancy it has to the real world. Which is why X is suing them for defamation since X determined that Media Matters account was literally the only one that ever had those advertisements appear next to those posts.

Elon Musk is not suing Media Matters for defamation. Seriously, read the complaint. (Try searching for "cause of action".)

That's just as well for them, since defamation requires showing that the other party said something that's actually false - not something that's true but that presents facts in a way you dislike.

GENERAL ALLEGATIONS

II. Media Matters Systematically Manipulated the X User Experience to Defame X.

III. To Defame X, Media Matters Hid Its Manipulation from Readers and Advertisers.

SECOND CAUSE OF ACTION
Business Disparagement

46. Defendant Media Matters made statements that disparaged the quality of X Corp.’s product, X.
47. Defendant Media Matters made these statements as statements of fact, not opinion.  Defendant Media Matters represented that X “has been placing” advertisements next to antiSemitic and racist materials. It represented that it “found” these materials next to advertisements.
48. As extensively explained above, these statements made by Defendant Media Matters were false.
49. Defendant Media Matters intentionally made these statements with clear malice, well aware of their falsity.
50. X Corp. suffered monetary loss as a result of these statements: companies mentioned in Defendant’s false and misleading article pulled their advertising from X indefinitely.

def·a·ma·tion
/ˌdefəˈmāSHən/
noun
the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.

Some synonyms for defamation include:
Libel, Slander, Calumny, Vilification, Disparagement, Denigration, Aspersion, Obloquy, Traducement, Blackwash.


If you want to split hairs, the exact charge is not defamation but "Business Disparagement". Regardless, a court will make the decisions of whether Media Matters was presenting something that was false with the intention of causing harm.