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I did a quick search but for some reason was having trouble pulling up threads on this topic.

I know there are probably plenty so if anyone can direct me to some of the stories that have been shared on here I'd appreciate it.

Basically I'm just looking for some general inspiration today and would like to read about members who have quit higher paying jobs for less paying jobs permanently...why/how they did it, what they went from/to doing and from/to income-wise.  If you want to share here too that is fine...

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Two years ago I was on the fast track as a senior consultant with a large management consulting firm. I left for the public sector. Took an immediate 30% pay cut.

Definitely pushed my ER dreams out, but ultimately resulted in a lot less stress and more time for my growing family. Also, a gold-plated public pension. A few things I regret, but it was the right move. 

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Posting to follow.  Been on my mind a lot lately.  Biggest thing for me is when to pull the trigger.  I have an 8 and 10 year old and feel like I need to get them to college before cutting the cord.  Also concerned that is just the thing I tell myself forever.

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Two years ago I was on the fast track as a senior consultant with a large management consulting firm. I left for the public sector. Took an immediate 30% pay cut.

Definitely pushed my ER dreams out, but ultimately resulted in a lot less stress and more time for my growing family. Also, a gold-plated public pension. A few things I regret, but it was the right move.

Thanks for sharing!

Now, that pension of yours...I'm sure it makes up for that 30% pay cut right?  So you may have effectively gained that back and then some based on whatever the value of your pension ends up being?

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I left an engineering job, taking a ~20% pay cut, to become a teacher.  I taught for 2 years and loved it.  However, my contract at the charter school I was working for was ending right as I learned that I was going to be a father.  I went back into engineering, so I'm back to just above my previous pay level.

My current plan is to continue working in engineering until I pay off all my student loans, and have enough passive income to teach and live comfortably.  We'll see how things shake out in the coming decade or so.

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I wasn't exactly "high salary" but well above the average salary for where I live.

I made a base salary of 60K (plus 401K match and monthly performance bonuses)working as an environmental specialist for a mega-corporation. I basically was responsible for ensuring compliance with all environmental regulations at 13 different locations throughout the US. I won't go into details, but of the 13 locations I covered, NONE of them were in compliance with state or federal regulations and the company had no plans to fix any of the issues. I went into this field because I actually care about what happens to the planet so it was extremely stressful for me to be in this position - I lasted 2 years.

I still work in the environmental field but now I am on the other side of the equation. I work for local government as an environmental regulator so now I am the one who gets to make sure that local companies are following the regulations (although with the current administration this could change...). I make 45K per year now (no match to my 457, earning a pension though) but I am much happier now.

As for how we did it, we have always lived a very simple life so we didn't feel the salary cut in our day to day expenses. DH makes about 30K a year so we are not high salary by any means, but our lifestyle allows us to make it work. I left that job before learning about the ways of the mustache so we have improved our situation even more since then. Most recently we downsized and decreased our mortgage by $500.00 a month!

I could have stayed and saved the 15K every year, but it didn't align with my beliefs so I had to go. I sleep well at night and have no regrets!

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I didn't quit, but I did choose a job that offered about 60% of my other offer.  There were many reasons: not working in Silicon Valley and having to spend every dollar I made on housing, being able to do research instead of pure engineering, job stability, and a much more relaxed atmosphere among others.  So far I'm happy with my choice!

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I quit a stressful (60 hour week was common) job that paid me about 110K (and had unlimited potential so long as I remained chained to the treadmill). I went to a govt job (40 hours is the max I do per week) that pays 60K. It has been great. I have a life outside of work. As well as the decrease in hours it's just the decrease in stress that makes all the difference. Sure it's harder to FIRE on 60K but it was so worth it!

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I quit a stressful (60 hour week was common) job that paid me about 110K (and had unlimited potential so long as I remained chained to the treadmill). I went to a govt job (40 hours is the max I do per week) that pays 60K. It has been great. I have a life outside of work. As well as the decrease in hours it's just the decrease in stress that makes all the difference. Sure it's harder to FIRE on 60K but it was so worth it!

Did you choose the government job because of the pension? 

Based on the little information you provided, you sound in a similar position to me.  Thinking about starting a separate thread about this, but I'm private sector with a $90K job (+7% bonus).  60 hour weeks are also common.  We had a deadline a month ago where I was putting in 14-15 hour days.  My current company does have a pension though; I played around with the numbers today quite a bit.  I am trying to decide if I should stay (I'll be vested in the pension in 2 more years) or go now and take a pay cut for a government job that would offer a much better pension.




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The pension is good, but not really that much better than what I had. It didn't really factor into my decision as it's still 30 years before I can collect! For me it was going from a professional role to a para-professional role that was the deal maker. I am no longer a decision maker - just a worker bee, I have enough responsibility to make me feel like what I do is important and meaningful - but not enough responsibility to stress about it - or check my emails from home on the weekend. It's totally liberating!

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Two years ago I was on the fast track as a senior consultant with a large management consulting firm. I left for the public sector. Took an immediate 30% pay cut.

Definitely pushed my ER dreams out, but ultimately resulted in a lot less stress and more time for my growing family. Also, a gold-plated public pension. A few things I regret, but it was the right move.

Care to share the things you regret if they are pertinent to other people in a similar situation, or any advice re:  making a similar decision?

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The pension is good, but not really that much better than what I had. It didn't really factor into my decision as it's still 30 years before I can collect! For me it was going from a professional role to a para-professional role that was the deal maker. I am no longer a decision maker - just a worker bee, I have enough responsibility to make me feel like what I do is important and meaningful - but not enough responsibility to stress about it - or check my emails from home on the weekend. It's totally liberating!

Hmmm...I see.  That is indeed priceless.

I am starting to get a little 'pressure' to apply for the next role now...a management role...which would mean even longer hours and definitely a huge amount of decision making.  If I took that route (which I don't want to do)...it's kind of like a point of no return.  Meaning, you have to be ok with continuing to move up and dedicate even more time of your life to work. 

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Two years ago I was on the fast track as a senior consultant with a large management consulting firm. I left for the public sector. Took an immediate 30% pay cut.

Definitely pushed my ER dreams out, but ultimately resulted in a lot less stress and more time for my growing family. Also, a gold-plated public pension. A few things I regret, but it was the right move.

Care to share the things you regret if they are pertinent to other people in a similar situation, or any advice re:  making a similar decision?

Good question...I hope bytowner comes back to share more info/details...

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I've always had a slow track "lower" paying job, so I can only really speak to the benefits of that kind of work. Right now, I work for a research non-profit making $85k a year with great benefits: they contribute 10% to my retirement automatically (not a match), 22 vacation days a year, rarely work more than 40 hours per week (and frequently less) and I have almost unlimited freedom to set my own schedule. The last one is the biggest benefit for me. I can work from home whenever I want, I can volunteer at my kids' school in the middle of the day or go to a doctor appointment without anyone checking in on me. I don't have to "submit" for vacation, I just go on vacation when I want to. I can decide my own working hours or work a compressed schedule. I could go down to a lower FTE without much fuss at all.

Honestly, I'm kind of bored with my work because I've been doing it for so long, but it has been hard for me to give up some of the intangible benefits just for higher pay and more interesting work. I've looked around for other jobs and while I'm fairly certain I could get a job making $15-25k more, it's never felt worth the extra money for the amount of extra work I'd have to do. More recently I've decided to focus on taking advantage of the low-key nature of my job to build up my side hustles. I'd much rather make extra money through those ventures rather than taking on a more demanding job.

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I've always had a slow track "lower" paying job, so I can only really speak to the benefits of that kind of work. Right now, I work for a research non-profit making $85k a year with great benefits: they contribute 10% to my retirement automatically (not a match), 22 vacation days a year, rarely work more than 40 hours per week (and frequently less) and I have almost unlimited freedom to set my own schedule. The last one is the biggest benefit for me. I can work from home whenever I want, I can volunteer at my kids' school in the middle of the day or go to a doctor appointment without anyone checking in on me. I don't have to "submit" for vacation, I just go on vacation when I want to. I can decide my own working hours or work a compressed schedule. I could go down to a lower FTE without much fuss at all.

Honestly, I'm kind of bored with my work because I've been doing it for so long, but it has been hard for me to give up some of the intangible benefits just for higher pay and more interesting work. I've looked around for other jobs and while I'm fairly certain I could get a job making $15-25k more, it's never felt worth the extra money for the amount of extra work I'd have to do. More recently I've decided to focus on taking advantage of the low-key nature of my job to build up my side hustles. I'd much rather make extra money through those ventures rather than taking on a more demanding job.

Yeah, I view that as a big advantage of low-pressure jobs.  It puts some "optionality" in one's career.  When I've made this point to my spouse, the reply is always "why would you quit one job to work two or three"?  But psychologically, the choice of working more is a lot different than having no choice but to work nights and weekends. Not to mention that a side hustle is "your thing," not your boss's or company's.

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Last May I quit an extremely stressful job and took a 15% paycut. The biggest thing for me is how much my quality of life has improved. I was deeply depressed and anxious at my last job. I had to get a Xanax prescription to even make it through a workday, and that is NOT the type of person I am. I'm now in a job I absolutely love and enjoy coming to every day. I had to spend about five months looking for a job before I finally found this one. Had a few other offers, but I had gut feelings it was not the right choice. I'm glad I waited, because it's almost as if they wrote the job description for me at my current position.
 
In terms of daily budget-type spending, we didn't have too much change as we were not spending above our means or anything. Our biggest thing was it impeded some of our debt payoff. That being said, we still managed to pay off my husband's car over a year early.

Also consider other facts besides just your salary. Benefits, commute, etc. I was paying $70 in tolls every three weeks and $50 in parking each month at my last job. I know longer pay any of that at my new job and I cut 20 miles round trip from my commute. Benefits are largely the same for me.

Funnily enough, my husband received a promotion and raise last week that puts our income EXACTLY back to where it was before I took my new job. Funny how things work out!

I would definitely encourage you to consider taking the cut if you have other options and your job is that bad. There is definitely no price on quality of life.

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Care to share the things you regret if they are pertinent to other people in a similar situation, or any advice re:  making a similar decision?

Sure thing. And, reading back up, I really was in a very similar position to you EconDiva. My company had been purchased by an American mega-corp. The centre had started shifting away from where I live. In the last year I was there I was travelling quite a bit. After the company was purchased, a lot of the old guard left, leaving a clear path to the upper management roles. I was basically there. Family issues had me questioning whether I needed to downshift.

The position I took with government was both lower pay and less seniority - I essentially started from the bottom again. I chose the opportunity I did because it was/is a pretty unique job with a lot of interesting possibilities.

It terms of regrets, obviously the special species of bureaucracy you have to come to terms with is an issue. And I'm speaking less about day-to-day stuff (mega-corps have their own admin issues), and more about HR. In my last job I moved up quickly in recognition of the things I accomplished. That doesn't happen in the (Canadian) government. You get back slaps and glowing reviews, but there's very little opportunity to move ahead in your career on your merits. You need to compete up with people who may just be better at writing their silly tests.

More broadly, I miss the immediate feedback of a job well done. Very little in government compares to winning a six-figure job off a proposal you wrote, knocking a client pitch/presentation out of the park, or creating a product that people pay for. There are still victories in my new role, but you rely on people telling you how you're doing, as opposed to just objectively killing it.

Associated with this, I also miss some of the flexibility that comes from producing for your boss. In my last role I had more control of my day-to-day work life as long as I was doing a good job. In government you're being paid by the tax payer, so there's a heightened sense of responsibility to do the nine-to-five and stick to your officially negotiated entitlements.

Benefits-wise, it was nice to always have the possibility that my pay would be higher than my salary, bonuses feel good. Oh, and frequent flyer miles. I miss those.

On the pension, I think it was a bit of a wash if you take risk out of the equation. Because I was so late starting in the public service, the benefit doesn't pay off as quickly as I would have liked. Additionally, my previous employer matched contributions. I certainly appreciate it, risk is obviously huge, but it wasn't the benefit it would have been had I joined up 10 years earlier (I'm 35 this year).

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My wife quit a full-time, full-stress job in medical devices to become a substitute teachear and eventually an elementary school aide.  She decided to quit when the company became too focused on cranking through calls as opposed to helping the customers, with the decision cemented when the second child arrived (best decision ever).  She went back to work when both kids were settled in elementary school and she began to feel a little lost.  To be honest, she's had her ups and downs in the new role.  Personally, I don't think she was cut out for the working world where eventually someone screws other people over or a colleague is generally unpleasant or in a role that they aren't suited for, but she is a dilligent and conscientious employee. 

She's quitting again this summer to focus on family and I'm pretty sure that is it for her work career.  All of this has been possible by both of us being LBYM, and somewhat because I am willing to keep working for a while at a job I mostly enjoy, although I'm confident we could both be FIRE'd if we chose to.  Maybe, if my job gets stressful or less pleasant in the future, I'll try out the downshift route...

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My wife quit a full-time, full-stress job in medical devices to become a substitute teachear and eventually an elementary school aide.  She decided to quit when the company became too focused on cranking through calls as opposed to helping the customers, with the decision cemented when the second child arrived (best decision ever).  She went back to work when both kids were settled in elementary school and she began to feel a little lost.  To be honest, she's had her ups and downs in the new role.  Personally, I don't think she was cut out for the working world where eventually someone screws other people over or a colleague is generally unpleasant or in a role that they aren't suited for, but she is a dilligent and conscientious employee. 

She's quitting again this summer to focus on family and I'm pretty sure that is it for her work career.  All of this has been possible by both of us being LBYM, and somewhat because I am willing to keep working for a while at a job I mostly enjoy, although I'm confident we could both be FIRE'd if we chose to.  Maybe, if my job gets stressful or less pleasant in the future, I'll try out the downshift route...

I can imagine the income change from medical device sales to subbing-that had to be a huge difference (I was considering this type of role in my company or a similar company but decided it would be too stressful...money is even better than what I get paid now probably but I don't think it would be worth it).

Good for her for being able to make this change and focus on what brings her joy...family life.

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I took an approximately 8% pay cut last year to go from hospital nursing (rotating day/night) to outpatient. The hours are way better (3 12's, straight days), and closed Sunday's and major holidays. Also it is way less stressful: predictable break times, no pager, no admissions, no HCAHPS, and the manager is really nice. Still have JCAHO though, so i can't have a damn cup of water, and the work itself can get boring. I feel much healthier since giving up the nights though.

 My total income has increased however as the stable hours at the new job allow me to pursue a side gig one day per week, making an additional $15000 per year.

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I'm getting ready to do this, although not for a pay cut. Does that count? :D

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but ultimately resulted in a lot less stress and more time for my growing family.

Nice! This is something that can't be paid by money.

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I'd direct you to serial mini retirement/sabbatical threads as well, including the following livingafi  topic as they are related to your topic. Stress sucks, and if you're shooting towards FIRE, it doesn't actually hurt much to take some time off. I'm planning on taking a break instead of zooming into absolute FIRE, and am unsure of where my pay will settle out during/after it.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/post-fire/early-retirement-vs-serial-mini-retirements/
https://livingafi.com/2015/08/04/taking-a-gap-year/

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Yeah, I view that as a big advantage of low-pressure jobs.  It puts some "optionality" in one's career.  When I've made this point to my spouse, the reply is always "why would you quit one job to work two or three"?  But psychologically, the choice of working more is a lot different than having no choice but to work nights and weekends. Not to mention that a side hustle is "your thing," not your boss's or company's.

Also, it makes more sense to work for two or three bosses, than to work for one. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. If you lose one job, at least you still have a couple other income streams. I think I read somewhere that Wealthy people have, on average, seven different income streams.

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What it does require:
- Being on a cell-phone tether as the senior leader for a 200 person division, dealing with DUIs, domestic violence cases, sexual harassment/assault, family issues such as childcare/money/divorce, spouses calling claiming that their Sailor isn't paying support.....
- Dealing with a crumbling infrastructure, bathrooms that back up in the rain, roofs that leak, not having the materials needed to keep the place warm in the winter and cool in the summer.
- Not having the tools/materials/supplies to build our primary products. We've had to go to Home Depot and buy materials so we could build product.
- Getting up daily to shave/put on a uniform and drive through traffic to wait in line at the base gate.


First Sergeant?  (Or the Navy Equivalent?)

I think that could be a rewarding job, since you act as a mentor for many young Seamen.  However, you could always volunteer your time after you retire at the local VFW or similar if you want.  I think the freedom to choose is worth it.

Congrats on your career, and your plan to retire!

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What it does require:
- Being on a cell-phone tether as the senior leader for a 200 person division, dealing with DUIs, domestic violence cases, sexual harassment/assault, family issues such as childcare/money/divorce, spouses calling claiming that their Sailor isn't paying support.....
- Dealing with a crumbling infrastructure, bathrooms that back up in the rain, roofs that leak, not having the materials needed to keep the place warm in the winter and cool in the summer.
- Not having the tools/materials/supplies to build our primary products. We've had to go to Home Depot and buy materials so we could build product.
- Getting up daily to shave/put on a uniform and drive through traffic to wait in line at the base gate.


First Sergeant?  (Or the Navy Equivalent?)

I think that could be a rewarding job, since you act as a mentor for many young Seamen.  However, you could always volunteer your time after you retire at the local VFW or similar if you want.  I think the freedom to choose is worth it.

Congrats on your career, and your plan to retire!

I echo the sentiments above...congrats on your decision!  It is good to be in a place where your mind is made up such that it was easy to say no once the other offer was presented to you.

Another case where a pension played a part in determining when you could stop working. 

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There's another thread (journal?) called "Pay Cut, Happiness Dividend". Good stuff.

I did it, a million years ago, because I had some non-work related goals I wanted to achieve and couldn't get the time off. I stayed at the temporary job for 10 years, as they had a good 401k/profit sharing program. I left there with the equivalent of three years earnings in that account. For the next 12 years, I worked at a better paying, higher stress job and finally amassed enough to FIRE.

Had MMM, ERE and the like existed then, I would have chosen a different and shorter path. But I got there and so many other good things happened along the way that I wouldn't change a thing.

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Care to share the things you regret if they are pertinent to other people in a similar situation, or any advice re:  making a similar decision?

Sure thing. And, reading back up, I really was in a very similar position to you EconDiva. My company had been purchased by an American mega-corp. The centre had started shifting away from where I live. In the last year I was there I was travelling quite a bit. After the company was purchased, a lot of the old guard left, leaving a clear path to the upper management roles. I was basically there. Family issues had me questioning whether I needed to downshift.

The position I took with government was both lower pay and less seniority - I essentially started from the bottom again. I chose the opportunity I did because it was/is a pretty unique job with a lot of interesting possibilities.

It terms of regrets, obviously the special species of bureaucracy you have to come to terms with is an issue. And I'm speaking less about day-to-day stuff (mega-corps have their own admin issues), and more about HR. In my last job I moved up quickly in recognition of the things I accomplished. That doesn't happen in the (Canadian) government. You get back slaps and glowing reviews, but there's very little opportunity to move ahead in your career on your merits. You need to compete up with people who may just be better at writing their silly tests.

More broadly, I miss the immediate feedback of a job well done. Very little in government compares to winning a six-figure job off a proposal you wrote, knocking a client pitch/presentation out of the park, or creating a product that people pay for. There are still victories in my new role, but you rely on people telling you how you're doing, as opposed to just objectively killing it.

Associated with this, I also miss some of the flexibility that comes from producing for your boss. In my last role I had more control of my day-to-day work life as long as I was doing a good job. In government you're being paid by the tax payer, so there's a heightened sense of responsibility to do the nine-to-five and stick to your officially negotiated entitlements.

Benefits-wise, it was nice to always have the possibility that my pay would be higher than my salary, bonuses feel good. Oh, and frequent flyer miles. I miss those.

On the pension, I think it was a bit of a wash if you take risk out of the equation. Because I was so late starting in the public service, the benefit doesn't pay off as quickly as I would have liked. Additionally, my previous employer matched contributions. I certainly appreciate it, risk is obviously huge, but it wasn't the benefit it would have been had I joined up 10 years earlier (I'm 35 this year).

Thank you.

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My story is a bit different from some on this thread.  DH and I both had professional jobs (mine in k-12 as a psychologist and DH as an engineer).  We declared ourselves FI in 2014.  Both of us are currently employed at part time jobs and gross about 1/6 of what we did previously and enjoying it.  We spend more than we make but still have a very low withdrawal rate.

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My post-law school career has been a steady (voluntary) march downwards in income: Biglaw (165k) --> Clerkship (90k) --> Government (now 82k). 

I don't regret any of it.

FI for me means being able to step another rung or two down on the ladder and work non-profit or go to grad school for a PHD.     

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There's another thread (journal?) called "Pay Cut, Happiness Dividend". Good stuff.

Thanks Dicey, I was going to mention that I had done this, but you beat me to it. It's still a work in progress: it's almost exactly one year later and just yesterday I pretty much did it again, except that I'm staying with the same company but reverting back to the position I was originally hired into. I might not even have to take a pay cut this time.

The journal is a bit of longer read, so here's the TL;DR: took pay cut to move to a company with drastically reduced commute, promoted to a position like the one I had left (but still with much lower pay), crazy work hours for months on end due to perfect storm of events, invoked FU money to take the summer off, not fired and reverting back to original role which I'll actually enjoy. Taking the pay cut forced me to tackle our expenses more seriously and the result is that our savings rate didn't go down and our FIRE plans are either on track or being moved up.

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My post-law school career has been a steady (voluntary) march downwards in income: Biglaw (165k) --> Clerkship (90k) --> Government (now 82k). 

I don't regret any of it.

FI for me means being able to step another rung or two down on the ladder and work non-profit or go to grad school for a PHD.     

FWIW non-profits you often end up doing a shitload more work for your lower pay. You better really like the cause if this is the case.

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My post-law school career has been a steady (voluntary) march downwards in income: Biglaw (165k) --> Clerkship (90k) --> Government (now 82k). 

I don't regret any of it.

FI for me means being able to step another rung or two down on the ladder and work non-profit or go to grad school for a PHD.     

How long were you in big law, then clerkship, then government?

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Care to share the things you regret if they are pertinent to other people in a similar situation, or any advice re:  making a similar decision?

Sure thing. And, reading back up, I really was in a very similar position to you EconDiva. My company had been purchased by an American mega-corp. The centre had started shifting away from where I live. In the last year I was there I was travelling quite a bit. After the company was purchased, a lot of the old guard left, leaving a clear path to the upper management roles. I was basically there. Family issues had me questioning whether I needed to downshift.

The position I took with government was both lower pay and less seniority - I essentially started from the bottom again. I chose the opportunity I did because it was/is a pretty unique job with a lot of interesting possibilities.

It terms of regrets, obviously the special species of bureaucracy you have to come to terms with is an issue. And I'm speaking less about day-to-day stuff (mega-corps have their own admin issues), and more about HR. In my last job I moved up quickly in recognition of the things I accomplished. That doesn't happen in the (Canadian) government. You get back slaps and glowing reviews, but there's very little opportunity to move ahead in your career on your merits. You need to compete up with people who may just be better at writing their silly tests.

More broadly, I miss the immediate feedback of a job well done. Very little in government compares to winning a six-figure job off a proposal you wrote, knocking a client pitch/presentation out of the park, or creating a product that people pay for. There are still victories in my new role, but you rely on people telling you how you're doing, as opposed to just objectively killing it.

Associated with this, I also miss some of the flexibility that comes from producing for your boss. In my last role I had more control of my day-to-day work life as long as I was doing a good job. In government you're being paid by the tax payer, so there's a heightened sense of responsibility to do the nine-to-five and stick to your officially negotiated entitlements.

Benefits-wise, it was nice to always have the possibility that my pay would be higher than my salary, bonuses feel good. Oh, and frequent flyer miles. I miss those.

On the pension, I think it was a bit of a wash if you take risk out of the equation. Because I was so late starting in the public service, the benefit doesn't pay off as quickly as I would have liked. Additionally, my previous employer matched contributions. I certainly appreciate it, risk is obviously huge, but it wasn't the benefit it would have been had I joined up 10 years earlier (I'm 35 this year).

Thank you.

I forgot to also say..."thank you".

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There's another thread (journal?) called "Pay Cut, Happiness Dividend". Good stuff.

Thanks Dicey, I was going to mention that I had done this, but you beat me to it. It's still a work in progress: it's almost exactly one year later and just yesterday I pretty much did it again, except that I'm staying with the same company but reverting back to the position I was originally hired into. I might not even have to take a pay cut this time.

The journal is a bit of longer read, so here's the TL;DR: took pay cut to move to a company with drastically reduced commute, promoted to a position like the one I had left (but still with much lower pay), crazy work hours for months on end due to perfect storm of events, invoked FU money to take the summer off, not fired and reverting back to original role which I'll actually enjoy. Taking the pay cut forced me to tackle our expenses more seriously and the result is that our savings rate didn't go down and our FIRE plans are either on track or being moved up.
Well, I just came back to post a link to your journal and I see you've beat me to that. Best wishes to both of you.

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I've done it both ways...and IMHO I think these things are cyclical and depends on your personality.   I quit a high stress job to take a government position with lower pay and a lot less stress.  Soon after I was bored out of my mind and could not tolerate the incompetence associated with the government position, so I quit and took a much higher stress and much higher paying position.   At times I  find my self being envious of the low stress job and can certainly live without all the money I make, but ultimately I do not dislike the job and this route will get me FIRE much quicker.  I also now know the lure of a 40 hour work week and lower pay will not satisfy me in the long run.  I'd rather grind it out and be done 10-15 years earlier.   
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How long were you in big law, then clerkship, then government?

I was paid by biglaw for two years, but only actually worked there for one.  My first year out of law school was 2010, and they offered to defer me for a year for a 60k stipend to work non-profit, which I gladly accepted to work at a civil rights firm in San Francisco.  This is when firms were trying to save during the financial crisis.  I then went back to NYC and worked at the firm for about 9 months, but before I even started back I had the clerkship offer.

Clerkship was 18 months.  I signed on for a year but my judge was retiring so I stayed on for her final six months.

I've been with government for three years now.  Longest job I've ever had.  I get antsy from time to time, but there are very few jobs in the law with good work life balance and relatively low stress, so I don't have any imminent plans to move anywhere.

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FWIW non-profits you often end up doing a shitload more work for your lower pay. You better really like the cause if this is the case.

I hear you.  I worked in non-profits prior to law school.  Before I make any moves I plan to be FI or near FI, so if things don't work out I can move easily to something else.  Probably at this point I'm leaning towards going for the PHD.  I'm not as aggressive about saving as many here and don't hate my current job, so this is a longer-range (10-15 year) plan.   

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This doesn't follow the pattern of the other stories but my partner just quit a ~50k year job that involved 24/7/365 on call. The reasons for quitting were he was responsible for site safety but was getting the exact same pay as those who weren't responsible, the obscene on-call where he had to be within 1 hour of the office at all times with no relief from that ever, getting chewed out for enforcing site safety or turning down jobs that they didn't have the proper equipment for, and general shady billing practices that screwed over both the clients and the employees. The big thing that made him leave was the stress of being responsible for other people's lives without adequate compensation and being chewed out when he made decisions that were for safety but dropped profits.
He left for a job in a similar field but no responsibility for anybody's safety other than his own. If he is lucky he will make ~30k for a year, but right now it is only part time so he will only make ~20k.
It is working OK. He is happier with work. But we are just starting our life together, so there is some stress with adjusting our plans for buying a house. Student loans are now reduced to minimum payments. Extra money is going to short term financial goals like a house down payment instead of both short term and long term goal.
My job is the safety net.
Frankly, if I compare my projections now versus his previous job it is an extra 9 years of working. I don't care. His job was miserable, the stress made both of us twitchy and unhappy. I don't think it will truly be nine additional years since there is room for growth at this job, but it is worth it since the change didn't effect our spending money, only our saving rate.

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O boy this is something I have battled for a couple of years now. I find that my attitude goes up/down with the amount of stress I want to deal with.

Option#1: Current thinking is I'm training my replacement with the hopes he will take over my position within the next 5-7 years as he learns the craft. After that I will do mostly the part of the job I like, engineering and drawing, 30-32hours/week. I want to ditch all the hand holding, meetings that don't produce/help anything, billing, bidding and just the general crap of running projects that drag on twice as long as they used to. I'm very fortunate that very few people are joining our ranks, baby boomers are calling it quits and the job is not going over seas any time soon if ever, its good spot to be in really.

Option#2, Take a position at the local school changing light bulbs, become a handy man as nobody seems to what to change a door knob. 

We have always LBOM and had a decent savings rate, don't need to save much anymore, just need to keep what we have for the next 10-15 or so years. There in lies the rub, work more now at something that's not as fun as it used to be for a few more years or work at something more fun for the next 10-15.

Its funny how things do change, at one time I was thinking I'm going to quick working and spend my time drinking coffee. Fast forward a few more years I don't think not working at something is for me, just need to figure out what I want to do when I grow up! 

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My spouse and I are walking away from jobs that earn us about 150k combined. We don't have the money to RE yet, but we have enough that we can take a slower path to RE. We could also live off the money for the next 3 or 4 years if really had to, and I could easily replace my job otherwise (software/programming).

We're joining the Peace Corps leaving in a few months. Planning to tell my boss in half an hour...

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My spouse and I are walking away from jobs that earn us about 150k combined. We don't have the money to RE yet, but we have enough that we can take a slower path to RE. We could also live off the money for the next 3 or 4 years if really had to, and I could easily replace my job otherwise (software/programming).

We're joining the Peace Corps leaving in a few months. Planning to tell my boss in half an hour...

APPLAUSE!!!!!!!

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My spouse and I are walking away from jobs that earn us about 150k combined. We don't have the money to RE yet, but we have enough that we can take a slower path to RE. We could also live off the money for the next 3 or 4 years if really had to, and I could easily replace my job otherwise (software/programming).

We're joining the Peace Corps leaving in a few months. Planning to tell my boss in half an hour...

awesome! Good for you guys!

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My spouse and I are walking away from jobs that earn us about 150k combined. We don't have the money to RE yet, but we have enough that we can take a slower path to RE. We could also live off the money for the next 3 or 4 years if really had to, and I could easily replace my job otherwise (software/programming).

We're joining the Peace Corps leaving in a few months. Planning to tell my boss in half an hour...

Good luck!

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Aww thanks guys. Boss ended up taking it pretty well. I'm giving a good 1-2 month notice to hopefully train whoever they'll replace me with. So I think I'm leaving on really good terms, and I wouldn't even be against coming back afterwards. But I'd really rather prefer to work part-time if I went back to programming. Working 40 hours a week in front of a computer is way too much for me.

He seemed to like the idea that I was leaving for a service job instead of just for more pay somewhere else.

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I have been working a pretty stressful job for the past 16 months. But I think a big factor of the problem is myself. I think in general I'm just a pretty anxious person and am learning this better and better. When I feel under pressure, I think I just don't handle it as well as others and tend to overthink it. It has often turned out to be useful because I always got good grades and was promoted to higher positions at work. I think even though I feel the stress my behaviour doesn't suffer and I usually present myself as a stoic and responsible person. But inside I just don't feel well when under stress.

Is anyone else like this? Is this a type of anxiety disorder?

I remember when I was a teenager just feeling very anxious about big school test a year prior to the actual testing.

So I think even if I took a "lower stress" job I'm not sure I'd feel better in the long run. I have a fault in my psyche which needs mending. I'm just not sure if my feelings are normal, very abnormal or somewhere in between.

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Well, I quit a higher paying side gig for a lower paying side gig with an easier, shorter commute.  But my side gigs aren't stressful, it's my real job that's stressful.

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I have been working a pretty stressful job for the past 16 months. But I think a big factor of the problem is myself. I think in general I'm just a pretty anxious person and am learning this better and better. When I feel under pressure, I think I just don't handle it as well as others and tend to overthink it. It has often turned out to be useful because I always got good grades and was promoted to higher positions at work. I think even though I feel the stress my behaviour doesn't suffer and I usually present myself as a stoic and responsible person. But inside I just don't feel well when under stress.

Is anyone else like this? Is this a type of anxiety disorder?

I remember when I was a teenager just feeling very anxious about big school test a year prior to the actual testing.

So I think even if I took a "lower stress" job I'm not sure I'd feel better in the long run. I have a fault in my psyche which needs mending. I'm just not sure if my feelings are normal, very abnormal or somewhere in between.

I have never been diagnosed with GAD but definitely deal with anxiety in work. I'm one of those people who "cares too much" - thus I am my own problem. 

FWIW, I have found that only certain types of jobs stress me out - namely those where I am responsible for making lots of decisions with little time to do proper research. Managerial multi-tasking is my biggest anxiety trigger. Also managing people stresses me out because I constantly worry that I am making the wrong decisions in guiding my team and I spend a lot of time second guessing my interactions with people.

I had a job that was essentially data entry and filing in a very specialized system that was completely low stress for me. I loved it! It just didn't pay enough. I also find customer service to be not at all anxiety producing because i can only do so much and there are guidelines which I can follow.

I think the biggest thing is that you seem to be just recognizing that you deal with anxiety. Start to find your triggers and that will help you find a job that will be good for you.

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For about 20 years, I had a fantastic, well-paid job that I loved, as the head of a federal regulatory agency. In 2007, I was forced to resign because I refused to "revisit" a decision I had made to turn down a very big project, following the recommendations of a highly competent team of technical and scientific advisors. At the time, I was expecting to move up and get an appointment as a top bureaucrat with the federal government. Losing my job was a big shock and derailed my career plans, and it took me several years to get over it, to the point where I couldn't stand the idea of being near anyone who was associated with my old life. Once my severance ran out after a year, I didn't even look for a job in my field, and instead got a job as a rampie (the guys who break guitars for United) for an airline, then another as customer service agent for another airline, and finally flight attendant for a third airline. The pay was quite low, but I had a blast and loved every minute of that job for about 5 years until I was unexpectedly offered my current gig which is one of the sweetest I ever had even if I get paid about a quarter of my market value. My current job was downgraded to part-time last year and I took the opportunity to negotiate a remote work arrangement which involves a week-long trip to my head office twice a year and allows me to travel anywhere in the world as I please. In hindsight, losing my job was the best thing that happened to me.
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I worked in accounting/finance for 7 years, making $90k when I decided I'd had enough.  It was extremely stressful and my commute was at least 2 hours round trip each day.  I now work managing in retail, making around $65k.  Wife makes about the same.  Our house is nearly paid off, and with the pay cut we can still stash away about $3k a month (soon to be $4k once the mortgage is dead).

I am much happier now and don't miss the finance world.  I was never passionate about it.  My struggle now is that I know I am capable of a more challenging/rewarding career, but can't seem to find one I like. Another annoying thing is that I know friends/family think we're struggling now because of my career change.  I feel like I have to accept that, since it's not ok to talk about money. Oh well... I sleep easier these days and we're still on a track to ER.

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I left a stressful high-level political party job making $49,000 - which was far the most I had made in my life (mainly nonprofits) because it was a terrible, terrible job and always-on (plus all the things that made the job hard were out of my control - Congresspeople's decisions, etc). I didn't last terribly long but one of the best choices I made was  to scale back to a extremely part-time private sector job making around ~$25,000 a year.

It's been a really good decision, though the business I'm starting on the side didn't necessary make my life less stressful, it put me a LOT more in control of my life.