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Stepping outside your comfort zone....
« on: November 12, 2014, 04:12:45 AM »
Approaching this post with a little trepidation following the hell fire and brimstone that has just rained down upon Beric LOL.

I too am someone who has not had much success at all with the ladies. Not because I'm a fucktard, at least I don't think I am :P but more because I'm probably the perfect example of a wallflower.

So I'm forcing myself to step outside my comfort zone. Friday nite going to drag my arse along to a professional singles meetup. I go in with no expectations, but equally also I don't want this to be another night of disappointment. I've had a decade of going to too many socials, making nice conversation, forming new friendships and... well.... there's never any chemistry returned.

How do I play this? Who has done this before? Really at this point in time I'm at a loss as to how to proceed. Like I said - wallflower type. I don't want to go there, stand in a corner with a drink in hand and watch everyone else hook up as easily as riding a bike (pardon the MMM pun). It's a little disheartening just to think about that...

You try and be the best person you can be, but it's hard when you feel that companionship is something that just happens to other people.

Please don't suggest therapy. I'm not anxious or socially retarded. Just a little shy and I'm fine with that - we can't all be the life of the party. It took me a long time to appreciate and be comfortable with that, but I am. We're all unique in our own way, I suppose I just haven't met that person who appreciates that in me yet. Answered my own question haven't I.

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 05:15:36 AM »
I understand the difficulty of finding someone.  I also understand the dread that comes with the thought of going to something like a cocktail party.  I dislike them intensely, and credit your courage to put yourself out there.
A couple thoughts:
1. Have you tried meetups/social events doing things you actually enjoy? If yes and no success, have you gone to things where women are often the majority?  I was in yoga class yesterday-- all women plus 1 guy.  Also, I often hear that 'speed dating' often  has an imbalance of women. 
2. How are you at asking questions and asking follow up questions?  When I was out on the dating market, I was amazed at how many men just talked about themselves and maybe asked me only 1 or 2 things about myself, if any questions at all.  I am skilled at asking questions and putting people at ease by showing a genuine interest in them, so the guy was probably at a distinct disadvantage, but often the night would end with the man feeling like I totally understood his heart and soul and thinking marriage, and I would be taken aback that he hadn't shown any effort to try and understand who I was. Part of this is on me-- I am actually not great at talking/being the life of the party.  But when I found the few guys who asked heartfelt questions, I often ended up dating them :).  The skill of asking questions, really listening, and picking up on themes and asking more questions, really trying to understand someone and their perspective, and affirming them in some way ("that sounds like it was an incredibly difficult time for you") is by far the most useful social/professional skill I have.

Best wishes in your search :)


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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2014, 05:41:34 AM »
I'm pretty quiet and shy as well.  I found that online dating where you can get to know someone via e-mail before meeting was a lot easier for me than any sort of event with multiple people I've never met before. 
Since you've already signed up for this event I would come up with a list of questions you can ask if you can't think of anything to say. When you arrive make a goal to talk to at least X number of women and try to ask them all at least a few questions.

good luck

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 06:00:25 AM »
I am an old married fart (e.g., not hitting on you), but you sound quite self-aware and even charming in your post.  That is all. (It's been 21 years since I dates, so I have no advice that would be relevant.)

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Re: Stepping outside your comfort zone....
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2014, 06:03:35 AM »
I think Sarita hit it on the nose. You do not need to be entertaining. Being a good listener will take you a long way. Ask her how she got her job and whether she likes it, what's the next trip she plans to take, what's her favorite music. Ask her about her family, her favorite course in college, the last book she read, her favorite TV show. If any of her favorites resonate with yours, tell her that.

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2014, 06:38:20 AM »
I am another fairly socially inept person who managed to get married (quite happily).  I suggest you regard this as an experiment rather than an actual social situation.  Try a behavior, take mental notes on the human responses you get, if you like the response keep the behavior; if you don't like the response, plan to try a different behavior in the next experimental situation.

Ex: First experiment (social event) I puke on shoes, person of interest leaves.  Experimental result negative.  Note to self, in future consume less alcohol. Next experiment (new social event, new person) I ask about person of interest's  cat, person sits down and talks for 10 minutes.  Experimental result positive.  Note to self, in future ask about pets.

I think the Behavior Modification folks call this approach "feedback not failure"  It works quite well for a nerd.

Also:  Think up some ways to bring up topics of general interest that might provoke conversation.  "I saw an article on the net that said cat people are generally more X than dog people..."  "My sister (or any other hypothetical female relative) might visit soon (not a lie, she might) what should I make sure she doesn't miss around here.?"

Think out the exact sentence you will use so you can bring it out automatically during a conversational lull.

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 06:55:00 AM »
making nice conversation, forming new friendships and... well.... there's never any chemistry returned.

This right here is your main problem, as you are starting to realize. If this hasn't worked for a decade, what makes you think it will work now?

How old are you and what are you looking for with women? Dating? Casual relationships? Long-term relationship? Those two questions can change your approach significantly.

Also, do you generally have your shit together? Obviously you can't change things like height, baldness, facial structure, etc., but you can always put your best foot forward by getting into good shape, eating well, dressing well with clothes that fit your body type, grooming yourself well with a proper haircut/facial hair, taking care of your skin, etc. Look, if you want a good catch and someone that you find attractive, then you should be a good catch and present yourself as attractive, it's that simple. It's pathetic to see a bunch of guys at a happy hour or at a bar at night, with shirts 2x too big and terrible haircuts all looking like schlubs clutching a beer in front of their chest and wondering why they can never attract or hold the interest of a woman who is there. Obviously the setting doesn't just have to be a bar, but I hope you get my point; always be presentable. If you have these things down for the most part then go on to the next part, and if not, then learn how to get your shit together.

Next, don't take advice from women on how to pick up women, they've never done it, and while intentions are usually good, the advice tends to do more harm than good. Now, do you have any close male friends, or even so-so friends, who are good with women and you can confide in? If you do then drop your ego and seek out his advice, really listen and then act on his guidance and/or go out with him a bunch and take notes/talk to women with him. While there are just some guys out there who are really good looking/rich/gregarious and basically don't have to do anything to attract women, I've actually found that most guys who have this down pat understand what they are doing and can generally explain why what they do works. None of this "just be yourself" crap because that doesn't have any meaning behind it, especially if you are shy. You need to learn how to be your absolute best self and project that self accordingly.

PM me if you want to delve further into things and I can help you out.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2014, 07:35:57 AM by jka468 »

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Re: Stepping outside your comfort zone....
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2014, 07:21:22 AM »
Longtime married extrovert, these are my thoughts....

1) Conversation is surprisingly easy. Learn to ask good questions to first find out about and then learn about someone's interests and then the conversation carries itself. This by itself goes a long way.

2) Confidence matters. You don't have to be Brad Pitt to be confident.

3) Confidence comes in part from having your shit together. if you don't have your shit together as jka468 describes, then you need to get it together. Having your shit together, even if you are not naturally physically attractive, counts for much. I do think women pay much more attention to what is on the inside, but they won't get to know what is on the inside if the outside isn't presented in the best possible light.

4) People who walk friendly dogs invariably meet other people, and a friendly dog immediately puts the owner in a better light. A few weeks ago I witnessed this firsthand with a married buddy of mine. We were playing disc golf and his big friendly dog spies another big friendly dog being walked by a very attractive lady. Both parties immediately start off on the right foot. I was thinking to myself, man, if he and she were both single and looking, he's already halfway there and the dog did all the work....

5) The best relationships seem to start from friendships that quickly evolve into courtship. Oh, I know that guys are petrified by the notion of crossing into "just friends" territory, I would offer that "just friends" is another way of saying it was never going to happen anyway, and becoming friends first doesn't change that.

Good luck!

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Re: Stepping outside your comfort zone....
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 07:27:48 AM »
When I was still dating (married now) I was actually really into quiet, shy people. In fact, I married one. As Jeffrey Moreira of Poison the Well said, "Stick to the silent - they have interesting thoughts." I found that, although I talk a lot, I'm still pretty bad at communication. So I sought the quiet ones and asked open-ended questions, sat back and listened. Find someone who wants to hear what you have to say, but don't be afraid to return the questions back to them.
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Re: Stepping outside your comfort zone....
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2014, 01:32:23 PM »
2. How are you at asking questions and asking follow up questions?  When I was out on the dating market, I was amazed at how many men just talked about themselves and maybe asked me only 1 or 2 things about myself, if any questions at all.  I am skilled at asking questions and putting people at ease by showing a genuine interest in them, so the guy was probably at a distinct disadvantage, but often the night would end with the man feeling like I totally understood his heart and soul and thinking marriage, and I would be taken aback that he hadn't shown any effort to try and understand who I was. Part of this is on me-- I am actually not great at talking/being the life of the party.  But when I found the few guys who asked heartfelt questions, I often ended up dating them :).  The skill of asking questions, really listening, and picking up on themes and asking more questions, really trying to understand someone and their perspective, and affirming them in some way ("that sounds like it was an incredibly difficult time for you") is by far the most useful social/professional skill I have.

This. Best thing I ever did for my social skills was read the Dale Carnegie classic How to Win Friends and Influence People. I read it in my early twenties, reread it from time to time, then as my career moved into building and growing a team, took a 12-week management course focused on his 30 principles about managing and motivating people. The first 10 of the 30 are the basics of how to win friends and the gist of them are showing a genuine interest in the other person. Remember their name, smile, compliment them, ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THEMSELVES. Going through all of this, I never cease to be amazed at how rare it is to meet someone who ever asks me a single question about myself - in a business setting or in a social setting. I can literally be on a 30 minute drive to a business meeting or on an hour long lunch with someone new to our company and they'll sit there letting me ask questions, gladly answer them but never ask me a damn thing. It's happens a lot, and the frequency is shocking!

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 02:12:10 PM »
Thankyou all for the replies,

I understand the difficulty of finding someone.  I also understand the dread that comes with the thought of going to something like a cocktail party.  I dislike them intensely, and credit your courage to put yourself out there.
A couple thoughts:
1. Have you tried meetups/social events doing things you actually enjoy? If yes and no success, have you gone to things where women are often the majority?  I was in yoga class yesterday-- all women plus 1 guy.  Also, I often hear that 'speed dating' often has an imbalance of women. 
2. How are you at asking questions and asking follow up questions?  When I was out on the dating market, I was amazed at how many men just talked about themselves and maybe asked me only 1 or 2 things about myself, if any questions at all. I am skilled at asking questions and putting people at ease by showing a genuine interest in them, so the guy was probably at a distinct disadvantage, but often the night would end with the man feeling like I totally understood his heart and soul and thinking marriage, and I would be taken aback that he hadn't shown any effort to try and understand who I was. Part of this is on me-- I am actually not great at talking/being the life of the party.  But when I found the few guys who asked heartfelt questions, I often ended up dating them :).  The skill of asking questions, really listening, and picking up on themes and asking more questions, really trying to understand someone and their perspective, and affirming them in some way ("that sounds like it was an incredibly difficult time for you") is by far the most useful social/professional skill I have.

Best wishes in your search :)


Yes and no . I prefer a small gathering with a few close friends, but over the years as those friends have partnered up its getting harder to attend these get togethers without the embarrasment of answering the question "where's your girlfriend". Very few of my friends are still single/unmarried/without kids.

I too am the type who shows that genuine interest in others, but I've always found it hard to open up about myself - trusting others. So most girls find I'm great to talk to, but its a one way conversation and I find it hard to relate at times.

making nice conversation, forming new friendships and... well.... there's never any chemistry returned.

This right here is your main problem, as you are starting to realize. If this hasn't worked for a decade, what makes you think it will work now?

How old are you and what are you looking for with women? Dating? Casual relationships? Long-term relationship? Those two questions can change your approach significantly.

Also, do you generally have your shit together? Obviously you can't change things like height, baldness, facial structure, etc., but you can always put your best foot forward by getting into good shape, eating well, dressing well with clothes that fit your body type, grooming yourself well with a proper haircut/facial hair, taking care of your skin, etc. Look, if you want a good catch and someone that you find attractive, then you should be a good catch and present yourself as attractive, it's that simple.

28, have my shit together, looking for dating. Well groomed, always get complimented on my skin - I'm wholemeal in a whitebread world. May not have the best sense of fashion. (I can't give up my sneakers, the joke is that I inhabit a 90's Seinfeld world). Do not feel comfortable with more "modern" shoes.

Can take care of myself, live in my own place. Can do the ironing and vacuuming LOL. Still learning to cook more than the basics.

Have a good job, earn decent money. Love to play cricket, soccer, ride my bike and started going running again. Probably have 5 kilos to lose, not out of shape but not going to be able to chase to Usain Bolt either.

I am another fairly socially inept person who managed to get married (quite happily).  I suggest you regard this as an experiment rather than an actual social situation.  Try a behavior, take mental notes on the human responses you get, if you like the response keep the behavior; if you don't like the response, plan to try a different behavior in the next experimental situation.

Ex: First experiment (social event) I puke on shoes, person of interest leaves.  Experimental result negative.  Note to self, in future consume less alcohol. Next experiment (new social event, new person) I ask about person of interest's  cat, person sits down and talks for 10 minutes.  Experimental result positive.  Note to self, in future ask about pets.

I think the Behavior Modification folks call this approach "feedback not failure"  It works quite well for a nerd.


That I've done before actually when I was 18. Was talking with a really lovely girl and did throw up! In fairness, it was her throwing up that caused me to wretch, but nonetheless a funny story.

Part of the problem with the method you've described is that this is how my brain works all the time. It's the touchy feely stuff where things fall down.

Best thing I ever did for my social skills was read the Dale Carnegie classic How to Win Friends and Influence People. I read it in my early twenties, reread it from time to time, then as my career moved into building and growing a team, took a 12-week management course focused on his 30 principles about managing and motivating people. The first 10 of the 30 are the basics of how to win friends and the gist of them are showing a genuine interest in the other person. Remember their name, smile, compliment them, ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT THEMSELVES. Going through all of this, I never cease to be amazed at how rare it is to meet someone who ever asks me a single question about myself - in a business setting or in a social setting. I can literally be on a 30 minute drive to a business meeting or on an hour long lunch with someone new to our company and they'll sit there letting me ask questions, gladly answer them but never ask me a damn thing. It's happens a lot, and the frequency is shocking!

Been there done that :) Really good book and 100 years later still hits the mark. Worked for me in every aspect of life except for one.

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 03:15:55 PM »
The thing I wish someone had told me when I was 16 was that one of the most attractive qualities any person can have is express attraction to You.  This is the only secret of meeting people that you ever need to know.

My point is that most of us are socially awkward in some way, feel out of place, not sure how to proceed or even begin a conversation.  If you can open up enough to find genuine interest for another person, they will usually become interested in you.

Think of it the other way around.  If you go to an event and someone starts talking to you, and is actually interested in what you are saying and who you are, chances are you will start finding things to like about that person in return.  Our egos are fragile things, and we love to be valued by people around us. 

NOTE: This is not manipulation.  DOn't pretend to be interested in someone just to have sex.  Actually be interested in someone.  Don't be creepy and invasive, and if someone withdraws from you then move on.  But interest is sexy and attractive.

My life changed dramatically once I started just being interested and expressing interest in the women that I met.  Of course, what that means is that I ended up meeting my wife in fairly short order.

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2014, 01:23:50 PM »
Here's some random advice I can give you.  As a background, I used to be extremely shy around women and not very confident.  I was able to overcome it gradually.

1) If you're not feeling confident yet, fake it.  You get almost all the benefit of actually being confident and overtime you will realize you aren't faking it anymore and you are legitimately feeling confident.
2) Posture.  This is related to the confidence.  Try to have a good posture without slumping, dropping your shoulders etc...  It makes an enormous difference in how you look.
3) Exercise.  This will make you look and feel better.  It also helps give an outlet for stress and anxiety which bleeds into the other points above.

Biggest one IMO

4) Pursue something that interests you.  Find what you are passionate about and focus.  The best luck I've had romantically has always happened when I'm focused on accomplishing something and just generally "getting it done" if that makes sense.  If you find what gives you purpose and look confident, people will be attracted to you.

Edit: One I forgot about.  Looking confident is great but don't go places where your qualities don't shine.  For example, I'm not the best looking guy in the world nor can I dance or talk about very shallow things.  Therefore I would never go try to meet anyone at say a bar.  I'm not saying you can't meet people there but you want to be in an environment where your qualities show the best. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2014, 07:59:17 PM »
What would you like your ideal partner to do at that meeting? See you there wallflowering and gather up the courage to go talk to you? Talk to you about great topics for a few hours, and then make the first move and invite you to do something cool? Sweep you off your goddamn feet?

Now go be that person for someone else. Make the magic happen. It's hard, you're shy, blablabla, but do it anyway, because you're a man, and that's what you do: you take care of things.

You can do it buddy!


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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2014, 01:42:04 AM »


Next, don't take advice from women on how to pick up women, they've never done it, and while intentions are usually good, the advice tends to do more harm than good. Now, do you have any close male friends, or even so-so friends, who are good with women and you can confide in? If you do then drop your ego and seek out his advice, really listen and then act on his guidance and/or go out with him a bunch and take notes/talk to women with him. While there are just some guys out there who are really good looking/rich/gregarious and basically don't have to do anything to attract women, I've actually found that most guys who have this down pat understand what they are doing and can generally explain why what they do works. None of this "just be yourself" crap because that doesn't have any meaning behind it, especially if you are shy. You need to learn how to be your absolute best self and project that self accordingly.

PM me if you want to delve further into things and I can help you out.

very good advice in bold.

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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2014, 03:54:46 AM »
faaaaaaaark well that was was a gigantic waste of time.

7 guys, 1 girl and she was.......well....if you can't say something nice.

I ended up watching the cricket instead. Australia putting on 300 and South Africa with all the work to do to chase it.

Far out man. Whats a guy to do...

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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2014, 10:06:46 AM »
Have you tried looking online? What's the extent of your dating experience so far? I can be a little shy or socially awkward sometimes, and I have to say the internet has really helped widen my social circle. This includes meeting people I could potentially date, or people who became friends and, directly or indirectly, introduced me to potential dates.

And about stepping out of your comfort zone. Sometimes you just have to be bold. This could mean striking up a conversation with the stranger who catches your eye, or taking the initiative to make a move if your intuition tells you the attraction is mutual, even if you aren't 100% sure what the result will be.

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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2014, 11:27:34 AM »
Ok I agree with the poster who said women probably don't give great advice about dating but hey, we mean well. We just want to see you lovely gents happy. Even though I am pretty extroverted I still get anxious in new social situations so I borrowed my friend's "one beer" rule. If I'm anxious going somewhere new I tell myself I'll have one beer and if I'm not having a good time I leave. 80% of the time I'm willing to stay longer. I also have a 5 minute rule which I use to make myself branch out and meet new people. I tell myself I'll start talking to a new person for just 5 minutes and then excuse myself if it isn't going well. Having these limits like one beer or 5 minutes lessens my anxiety.

I really relate to what you said about feeling that relationships are something that happen to other people. I felt that way for years and then I met my husband and after 3 months things were going so well it didn't seem real but it was and it is and it was more than worth the wait. If it is something you want then it will happen for you.

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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2014, 11:43:41 AM »
Hi Marty - just here for the support! And "wallflower" - that seems to fit me pretty well too.

I have a older friend (45) who describes himself as an "amateur psychologist". He's gay, which of course means he can't advise me so much on women, but he's trying to help me get more in touch with my emotions - often the INTJ's bane. When I was at his place last night, one thing he noted (as a more mature INTJ) was that I'm trying too hard to make relationships be logical, when they're not. I'm even trying to get in touch with my emotions... through logic! He's trying to get me to just let it go.

One thing he suggested to me was meditation. I will have to try that out.

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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2014, 12:36:50 PM »
But when I found the few guys who asked heartfelt questions, I often ended up dating them :).  The skill of asking questions, really listening, and picking up on themes and asking more questions, really trying to understand someone and their perspective, and affirming them in some way ("that sounds like it was an incredibly difficult time for you") is by far the most useful social/professional skill I have.

This.  I know you've been advised not to listen to women, but the thing I found most attractive about my husband was his amazing listening skills.  He not only asked questions and listened to my responses, but he REMEMBERED them!  I mentioned once  when we first met how much I liked canoli and months later he brought me canoli for my birthday!  We weren't even dating yet.  It made a huge impression on me. 

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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2014, 05:27:02 PM »
Ok I agree with the poster who said women probably don't give great advice about dating but hey, we mean well. We just want to see you lovely gents happy. Even though I am pretty extroverted I still get anxious in new social situations so I borrowed my friend's "one beer" rule. If I'm anxious going somewhere new I tell myself I'll have one beer and if I'm not having a good time I leave. 80% of the time I'm willing to stay longer. I also have a 5 minute rule which I use to make myself branch out and meet new people. I tell myself I'll start talking to a new person for just 5 minutes and then excuse myself if it isn't going well. Having these limits like one beer or 5 minutes lessens my anxiety.

I really relate to what you said about feeling that relationships are something that happen to other people. I felt that way for years and then I met my husband and after 3 months things were going so well it didn't seem real but it was and it is and it was more than worth the wait. If it is something you want then it will happen for you.

Haha well I've found advice from my female friends is way more helpful than most of the advice I get from my male friends (e.g. "get drunk get smashed and pash whatever desperate fatso in a miniskirt happens to be in the immediate vicinity, you know she'll be up for it").

I had my one beer (and a few ciders) to get me out of my shell for the evening. Fortunately found a group of friends after the non-event and had a few more. Didn't really want to just go home. It's not nice to end your week on a downer.

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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2014, 05:43:21 PM »
That's pretty crappy odds. But I hope the chick found someone out of the 7 guys?

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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2014, 03:42:42 AM »
I think Librarian was onto something-why not scope out the scene for a fellow wallflower? First relationship I had was started when me and a girl got fed up with the yappers and ended up doing our own thing. 

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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2014, 04:09:37 AM »
That's pretty crappy odds. But I hope the chick found someone out of the 7 guys?

I think she did get a number :)


I think Librarian was onto something-why not scope out the scene for a fellow wallflower? First relationship I had was started when me and a girl got fed up with the yappers and ended up doing our own thing. 

Don't think I haven't been looking for them!

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Re: Stepping outside your comfort zone....
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2014, 07:26:01 AM »
Being a good listener is important - but I would rephrase this as being a good conversationalist. A good listener may leave the other parties bearing the brunt of keeping the conversation going. Even if you ask questions and listen, you need to share about yourself in a natural way. A good conversation flows and is energizing. You can be a god listener, but not add energy into the conversation.
Even wallflowers/ introverts can shine in a one-on-one or small group. I find the big group setting where I don't know anyone intimidating, but striking up a conversation with one stranger in an elevator is not a problem. So maybe think of the big crowd as just a series of individuals.
Also, the comment about showing interest/ attraction has merit, maybe you should ask someone out earlier than you typically do. Don't wait for everything to be perfect, go for it.
Good news, at least from this short interchange, from the perspective af a stranger - you seem to have your shit together and you don't come off as a creep or weirdo or arrogant ass. I think you just need to find the right venue and just try to get enough chances to find someone.
Good luck - let us know how you are doing.

 

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