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Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« on: January 11, 2024, 09:25:19 AM »
Ok, so that's a bit of a clickbait title, I admit. But there is a kernel of sincerity in that question too.

I'm in my late twenties now and I have wanted to buy a sports car since...forever basically. But between a combination of self-control and life circumstances that made it unrealistic, I have held off so far - in fact, I don't own a car at all.

But Im getting impatient. It's a dream of mine and I am comfortable with letting cars be an area where I am less mustachian.

So yesterday, while I was bored at work, I started wondering how much it would actually set me back to pull the trigger on a car. And honestly, the numbers weren't nearly as bad as I thought they'd be?

For context, (in part because Ive pushed off my car purchase!) I have roughly $340k invested right now in various accounts (a fair amount of which is inaccessible as its in tax advantaged accounts) and a small emergency fund I can access more easily (and no debt!).

My analysis was lazy on this so I just made some high level assumptions
- used an online tax calculator to ballpark current taxes and grow them 5% a year
- grow income 3% a year
- take current expenses and grow them 4% a year
- whatever is left goes to investments that i assume grow 6% a year

I know I could get a lot more scientific than that, but this was just meant as a rough sense check and I feel like some of those assumptions are fairly conservative.

Anyway, if I compare 2 scenarios - one where I decrease my current investments by $50k immediately for a car purchase and one where I just...don't. The difference is between my investments being a little over $3M vs $2.9M when Im 45. Obviously, that's not an insignificant amount of money - but it also feels kind of hard to look at such a large total and feel that the difference between 2.9 and 3.0 will matter to me at 45. The age I hit a SWR of 4% at didn't even change!

Admittedly, this may be a stupid question that's quite obvious to the rest of you. But I think Im just a bit stuck on going against so much of the programming Ive internalized over the years here that this is a face punch worthy thing to do. Spending $50k on an entirely unnecessary item just seems...crazy. I know I don't *need* it, so it feels wildly irresponsible. But I know it's important to me still - so maybe I'm just looking for validation that Im not crazy to do it lol.

Am I missing something? Is there some obvious point I haven't considered that makes this a terrible decision besides just being generally materialistic or something? Are my assumptions wildly off somehow? Or is making a massive frivolous purchase every now and then actually kind of fine as long as you built up some runway?

Fwiw, here are some of the risks Ive come up with compared to my lazy comparison:
- losing my job or taking time off work at some point
- needing money for a down payment on a house ideally at some point in the next 5 years
- saving for future kids college (a goal)
- expense growth outpacing income growth (wanting a family in the future being the main factor)
- hedonic adaptation meaning I buy a sports car every x years forever (likely, I admit)
- the inaccessibility of money in tax advantaged accounts meaning savings

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2024, 09:35:32 AM »
I just bought a new car when even though my old one still runs.

The reason I bought is because I always play the same scenario through my head:
"I can buy a newer used car instead of a brand new car"
"Wait, I can buy a little bit older of a new car for less money"
"Wait, I can buy one even older for even less money"
"Wait, I can just keep my old one until it dies"

My new car was a stupid financial decision but I haven't had a new car for a long time so I bought it anyway. It will probably be the last new car I have in my lifetime and either way I'm ok with it.


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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2024, 09:55:39 AM »
I just bought a new car when even though my old one still runs.

The reason I bought is because I always play the same scenario through my head:
"I can buy a newer used car instead of a brand new car"
"Wait, I can buy a little bit older of a new car for less money"
"Wait, I can buy one even older for even less money"
"Wait, I can just keep my old one until it dies"

My new car was a stupid financial decision but I haven't had a new car for a long time so I bought it anyway. It will probably be the last new car I have in my lifetime and either way I'm ok with it.

Yeah, I relate to that thought process. There's always a more responsible choice. It's frustrating sometimes - just let me ignorantly make stupid decisions for once!

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2024, 09:58:43 AM »
I assume you're projecting a 7% return on investment, and investing $60k per year for 17 years?

So $340k grows to $3M and $290k grows to $2.9M.

That's fine, but you won't be investing the same - you'll be investing $50k for the next 17 years because you'll be paying for car related expenses, plus saving up for the next car. So you'll end up with $2.6M, not 2.9.

If you think a car is worth $400,000 then sure, go for it. But given that's more than your entire current net worth, you might consider reframing your perspective.

IMHO purchasing new cars are one of the more detrimental things that one can do, particularly if you're young and not yet rich.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2024, 10:09:36 AM by VanillaGorilla »

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2024, 10:29:31 AM »
I assume you're projecting a 7% return on investment, and investing $60k per year for 17 years?

So $340k grows to $3M and $290k grows to $2.9M.

That's fine, but you won't be investing the same - you'll be investing $50k for the next 17 years because you'll be paying for car related expenses, plus saving up for the next car. So you'll end up with $2.6M, not 2.9.

If you think a car is worth $400,000 then sure, go for it. But given that's more than your entire current net worth, you might consider reframing your perspective.

IMHO purchasing new cars are one of the more detrimental things that one can do, particularly if you're young and not yet rich.

Im assuming 6% returns and investing about $75k a year (including 401k).

I do like this perspective though - spending more than my current net worth on a car definitely makes it feel very different! I was kind of hoping to bury my increased expenses for the car in my assumed 4% expense growth but you're probably right - it will likely be more than that, and that growth would happen without the car.

I also was assuming some annual car expense into the initial price - realistically the cars Im looking at would probably be more like 30-35k, though there are some more expensive options I dream of for sure. But changing the up front cost doesn't make as much of a difference as adding 10k in expense every year forever - good point.

Im not sure this is enough to deter me to be honest - but it does make me think about how much of a habit Im comfortable with this being.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2024, 10:33:12 AM »
Enough with the math, guys…

Since you’ve already been so analytical and thoughtful about this it’s a complete no brainer to buy the car.

You earned it, you weighed the pros and cons, just do it, and don’t look back.

You only live once!

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2024, 10:34:31 AM »
Or you could buy a less expensive car vs something fancy... A used Miata vs a new Porsche or Corvette.

Your choice, enjoy it. Have you thought about upkeep - like parking it inside so thieves or weather is not a concern, snow/ice/salt, etc.

We have a Miata and several antique cars so I am sympathetic to your cause.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2024, 10:38:24 AM »
Enough with the math, guys…

Since you’ve already been so analytical and thoughtful about this it’s a complete no brainer to buy the car.

You earned it, you weighed the pros and cons, just do it, and don’t look back.

You only live once!

Haha well, I admit, this is what I *want* to hear.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2024, 10:47:20 AM »
I'm sure you are aware that there will be on going insurance, maintenance, storage, and other expenses with a $50k car, plus the worry about it. It doesn't sound like you are looking for a daily driver, so perhaps a weekend or even a track car? I would suggest a older low mileage sports car and try it out. You may find that owning a sports car isn't all its cracked up to be (https://www.1500days.com/why-we-sold-our-fancy-car-the-acura-nsx/) or that an older, cheaper, and less worry car scratches the itch.

And don't forget, for car questions, Miata Is Always The Answer!

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2024, 10:50:51 AM »
Or you could buy a less expensive car vs something fancy... A used Miata vs a new Porsche or Corvette.

Your choice, enjoy it. Have you thought about upkeep - like parking it inside so thieves or weather is not a concern, snow/ice/salt, etc.

We have a Miata and several antique cars so I am sympathetic to your cause.

Funnily enough, you basically just listed my dream lifetime sports car progression (though the Vette would be a C6 (Z06?) so at least it'd be used and the Porsche would only be in the case where I've done much better than my current assumptions).

Realistically, if I got something soon it would probably be an ND2 Miata or a GR86 - though probably new or lightly used. The $50k was part buffer for being extra irrational if I wanted and partially an attempt to acknowledge cars cost more than just the purchase price.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2024, 10:51:54 AM »
Have you taken a good look at what you currently spend on transportation vs. what you'd spend on a car (beyond the purchase price)?  Would all of your current transportation costs go away, or are you so accustomed to public transport that you'd have some of your current expenses PLUS the new car expenses? (I have always lived in car-dependent locations, so I'm not really sure what not having a car would cost, so genuinely curious if you have any numbers to share.)

Car costs can depend a lot on where you live and how you live, but make sure you're factoring in gas, insurance, maintenance, registration, taxes, and parking fees.

I have a relatively inexpensive small sedan (bought new 11 years ago, no regrets there), and in that time have averaged spending $2,155/yr for the items above.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2024, 11:01:35 AM »
You've heard about why spending money on cars is pretty detrimental to long term wealth building. Bottom line, see if there's a more economical way to do what you want for fun. Example...maybe consider renting fancy cars once a month so that you get the thrill of driving something fun without the carrying costs. I bet you could do a lot with 5-10k a year earmarked for that. Or get something used that maybe has stabilized in value so that you're not burning so much money.

You'll run into this in the future as well. For example, as my family grew, we got rid of the Camry and went with a used Sienna. Could I have spent $50k on a new one? Or on a used Suburban? Sure, but then my expenses would be higher and net worth would be lower just so that I could say I bought something newer or cooler.

I'm not a car guy, so keep that in mind.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2024, 11:03:40 AM »
I'm sure you are aware that there will be on going insurance, maintenance, storage, and other expenses with a $50k car, plus the worry about it. It doesn't sound like you are looking for a daily driver, so perhaps a weekend or even a track car? I would suggest a older low mileage sports car and try it out. You may find that owning a sports car isn't all its cracked up to be (https://www.1500days.com/why-we-sold-our-fancy-car-the-acura-nsx/) or that an older, cheaper, and less worry car scratches the itch.

And don't forget, for car questions, Miata Is Always The Answer!

I agree. The $50k was somewhat clickbait. I really did crunch the numbers based on that for a few reasons but realistically Id probably opt for a Miata or GR86.

It likely would be my daily driver though, which is another concern. When I was 24 and looking at a Miata that seemed fine. Approaching 30 in the northeast? Suddenly I start trying to justify a fun (cheapish) daily driver too.

I don't know for certain of course, but I am guessing I would absolutely love the Miata or 86 - I do question how much more enjoyment you can get beyond them, even though I dream of someday owning more expensive and faster cars. If you can barely drive it on the street, how much is it really doing for you?

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2024, 11:17:16 AM »
If you want to buy a car, and are aware of the full financial implications then there's nothing stopping you.

I will push back on the idea that you'd need to buy brand new, or spend $50k to get what you want. There are ways to achieve what you want in less impactful ways.

Here's a gently used 2019 ND2 Miata with under 30k miles for less than $19k:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/691244621?allListingType=all-cars&city=Lebanon&makeCode=MAZDA&marketExtension=off&modelCode=MIATA&newSearch=false&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fall-cars%2Fmazda%2Fmx-5-miata%2Flebanon-ks%3FisNewSearch%3Dfalse%26marketExtension%3Doff%26searchRadius%3D0%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26startYear%3D2019%26zip%3D66952&searchRadius=0&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&startYear=2019&state=KS&zip=66952&clickType=listing

Besides having a much lower initial buy in, it will be less expensive to insure than brand new, and potentially less expensive to register (depending on location).

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2024, 11:25:52 AM »

I don't know for certain of course, but I am guessing I would absolutely love the Miata or 86 - I do question how much more enjoyment you can get beyond them, even though I dream of someday owning more expensive and faster cars. If you can barely drive it on the street, how much is it really doing for you?

Very true. A new Camry is as fast as a 90's Ferrari (https://www.theautopian.com/heres-how-much-faster-heavier-and-more-powerful-cars-have-gotten-over-the-last-50-years/) and a $40k EV can get you into trouble in just a few seconds. But it also raises the issue that how much fun can you really expect to have in a manual daily driver in NE traffic? Maybe get a Honda Fit and put the rest of your budget into track days, an autocross car, or an Miata weekender if you really like driving.

My theory based on my experience and a decade of Jalopnik/Autopian comments particularly related to autonomous vehicles, is that car guys are in denial about how little fun 90% of their time spent driving and parking is and that their car's capabilities (whether speed or off road) are wasted if not a detriment another 5 to 10% of the time.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2024, 11:26:51 AM »
We have a Miata. Great car for many reasons. It's the DW's primary car to drive to work. It's fun to drive. We're even in a Miata club.

We put about 6,000 miles a year on it. Why?

1. It's terrifying to drive on the highway, especially in this era of distracted drivers, downsized police forces, reckless driving, etc.
2. In case you haven't noticed, there's no storage. You're a young guy, fine. Presumably you're not driving more than one person around. Still, you might want to take a trip where you can take more than a couple of duffel bags.
3. If you're taller than 5-10, it's tough getting in and out of the thing. DW is 5-2. Not an issue for her.

Here in Florida, golf carts have become ubiquitous and annoying. Still, I can't help but notice that they're Miata-like in many respects in terms of storage and giving you a top-down driving experience. Hell, if we lived 1-2 miles from DW's work rather than 6, she could probably get by with a golf cart.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2024, 11:44:20 AM »
OK, car guy here (ask me about my StupidCar).

First, I think you are ignoring hedonic adaptation.  This is not a one-time car purchase.  Do you really think you're going to buy one, say, $40K car now, and then keep it for the next 40 years?  Not the way these things work.  Once you are in a car that's really fun to drive, you are not going to want to go back on pain of death.  That means that the longer in life you can postpone getting on that treadmill, the better off you are, because there are fewer replacements to factor in, and fewer fancy new things you'll learn you now desperately want.  So when you figure out how this will affect your budget, factor in a replacement fund, too, assuming you replace the vehicle every 5-10 years for the rest of your life.

Second, your plan is reasonable for where you are now.  But does where you are now reflect where you want to be in 10 years, or are there changes that may come?  Is there a partner involved, or a potential partner in the future?  What about kids?  Do you own a home, or might you want to at some point?  A sportscar is the best embodiment I know of immediate gratification -- it is like the best BrightShiny EVER.  Longer-term goals often feel less urgent/compelling in the moment, but they can actually make your life happiness significantly better or worse depending on how prepared you are.*  So make sure that plan accounts for changes that either you might like to see, or would really hate to have hit if you're not financially prepared (e.g., the hit-by-a-bus outcome). 

Then do the research and the actual math.  Call your insurer and get a quote for the kind/year car you're looking at.  Think about various options that might be fun to drive with less outlay (a used WRX comes to mind -- driving that car made me bust out in a grin).  Use IRS figures and anticipated mileage to figure out likely depreciation and maintenance costs -- then double those if you go upscale (funny how maintenance tends to increase dramatically with car make/model -- I have a 911, and OMFG). 

Then, since you don't have a clear vision of your dream car in your mind, give yourself a year or two to do real-life research.  What is it that makes you smile?  The pedal-to-the-metal acceleration?  The growl of an engine?  The handling through a tight turn?  Are you big or small?  (We looked at the Alfa sports-mobile, and our American asses barely even fit in the seats; I ended up not getting the WRX because my DH's hockey-player-build shoulders weren't comfortable; etc.) Do you want to attract a lot of attention or fly beneath the radar?  The idea of a sporty feeling means different things to different people, and the only way to figure out what really resonates with you is to try out a bunch of different ones. 

Once you have a whole bunch more data and a better sense of what matters and what doesn't, look for the car that represents the knee of the curve -- the one where the smiles:price ratio is highest.  I've always liked smaller cars that are zippy, with a stick, and with excellent responsiveness/stability around turns, so I'd be much happier in a Miata than a Camaro, you know?  My DH is exactly the opposite -- he's all about big cars and pickup on a straightaway and has a thing for American muscle.  There's no right or wrong,** just the best choice for you.

FWIW, my own path:  I always had cars that were fun to drive but clear daily drivers, not a "sportscar" per se (e.g., 1990s Acura Integra GSR).  Once I had retirement and kids college fully funded, however, and I could pay cash, I did let myself buy my dream used car (2015 911 Carrera 4S GTS Cabriolet -- turns out having the top down makes me super happy).  Actually, I let my spendypants DH talk me into it, but same difference.  It is far and away the best StupidMoney I have ever spent in my life; I literally smile every time I drive it.  OTOH, I was also in my 50s, and the kids no longer required a back seat, and like I said, we were already FI, and I was still working just because I wanted to.  And I DO consider this to be my last car, because I'm old enough now that it's feasible, and it's the kind of car that people really can and do keep 20-30 years.*** 

Part of the reason I enjoy the car so much is because I DID wait.  I get nauseated about spending money (almost threw up buying the house, no lie), but there was no guilt or stress here, because I knew the future was covered, so I wasn't putting my own fun above someone else's (or my own) needs.  I worked a lot and saved a lot for a long time, so I really have a feeling of having earned that kind of a splurge through my own 30 years of delayed gratification. 

YMMV, of course. 


*I am reminded of my buddy who went to Harvard Law, graduated with $100K in loans, and then realized after a year at BigLaw that he absolutely hated BigLaw and wanted to be an FBI Agent.  The next 5-ish years for him were NOT particularly happy.

**I lied.  He's wrong, I'm right.

***It will certainly be my last car for as long as I can drive a stick, as those are few and far between.  Assuming I don't do something stupid with it first.  And part of the reason for buying it at around 50 was I was starting to get periodic left knee issues that made it clear I might not be able to drive a stick forever.  Since that is a key part of the experience for me, DH pointed out it made sense to buy the car while I could still enjoy that aspect of it.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2024, 12:03:24 PM »
I'm sure you are aware that there will be on going insurance, maintenance, storage, and other expenses with a $50k car, plus the worry about it. It doesn't sound like you are looking for a daily driver, so perhaps a weekend or even a track car? I would suggest a older low mileage sports car and try it out. You may find that owning a sports car isn't all its cracked up to be (https://www.1500days.com/why-we-sold-our-fancy-car-the-acura-nsx/) or that an older, cheaper, and less worry car scratches the itch.

And don't forget, for car questions, Miata Is Always The Answer!
But a Fiatta (Fiat Spyder 124 built in the Miata factory)  is a good alternative, and it turns more heads than a Miata. I say that having utmost respect for the Miata as the sports car of the century.

I am a lot like the OP in  that I wanted  a drivable, reliable sports car like forever.

Only I am not at all like the OP in that I got my car when I was 65 years old and had significant assets. Sure, I had flirted with sports cars over decades and had an MG midget as my very first car, and then had a TR6 as a spare car. Then DH also bought a non-running TR6. But none of them were very reliable vehicles. This newish Fiat is reliable, a car I can actually drive out of town without worry of a breakdown.

The OP is leafing out critical information as to which sports car he’s wants to buy. $50,000 doesn’t seem like very much money for a new car, so I wonder what he’s looking at?

OP, tell us what you’re looking at for the thing you want to buy that we’re not going to let you buy because it’s not a good decision.

And take it from an old person who likes cars, love for the right cars will never go away. To this day I’m still jonesing for a big Healy. Also, I have a yen for funny little comic cars like Izettas, Nash Metropolitans, today’s Smart cards,, early and original Mini Coopers.


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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2024, 12:13:53 PM »
I was in your shoes 8 years ago.........pulled the trigger on a new to me luxury sports car.

At the time it was ~10% of my net worth......I paid cash.

It seemed like a great idea on paper, but I got used to the car after a while. The added stress of rock chips, shopping carts and other things dinging it as a daily driver drove me nuts. On top of that it developed a leak in the moonroof and had electric gremlins that showed up in the third year of ownership. I sold it after almost 4 years for roughly 55% of what I paid.......

The next time I own a "fun" car I will be way beyond my FIRE number and the value of the car will be a rounding error. Until then, it's just not worth it. You can rent a fun car a few times a year to get it out of your system, until you're closer to being FI :)

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2024, 12:16:43 PM »
As someone who always chose the sensible, economical choices, I say go for it.  The actual increased cost for a 50k sports car over a camry is about $5k-6k per year or $50k over the 10 year life. I'm almost 40 now and worth well over a million. I could easily buy a corvette now, it wouldn't make a dent in my FIRE plans but it just doesn't have the same appeal anymore. I have a wife and daughter and another on the way. Car seats don't fit in the back of a corvette.  I never have time or energy to just go cruising without our child. We don't have garage space for 3 cars and need two that can carry two car seats. I regret not splurging on a fun, sporty car when I would have enjoyed it more. I might end up with one at some point but I know for a fact it won't be as fun and exciting as when I was in my late 20s or early 30s and single and childless.  If you buy it and change your mind after a year or two, you can always sell it and you are out 10k or 15k. No big deal.  But if you always wanted a sports car and can clearly afford it, you will regret it if you don't at least try it.  Whether it's cars, boats, vacations, parties, trips, etc they don't provide the same fun and excitement as you get older as they did when you were young and care free, so it's important to splurge occasionally while you are still young and carefree.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2024, 12:46:31 PM »
I assume you're projecting a 7% return on investment, and investing $60k per year for 17 years?

So $340k grows to $3M and $290k grows to $2.9M.

That's fine, but you won't be investing the same - you'll be investing $50k for the next 17 years because you'll be paying for car related expenses, plus saving up for the next car. So you'll end up with $2.6M, not 2.9.

If you think a car is worth $400,000 then sure, go for it. But given that's more than your entire current net worth, you might consider reframing your perspective.

IMHO purchasing new cars are one of the more detrimental things that one can do, particularly if you're young and not yet rich.

Im assuming 6% returns and investing about $75k a year (including 401k).

I do like this perspective though - spending more than my current net worth on a car definitely makes it feel very different! I was kind of hoping to bury my increased expenses for the car in my assumed 4% expense growth but you're probably right - it will likely be more than that, and that growth would happen without the car.

I also was assuming some annual car expense into the initial price - realistically the cars Im looking at would probably be more like 30-35k, though there are some more expensive options I dream of for sure. But changing the up front cost doesn't make as much of a difference as adding 10k in expense every year forever - good point.

Im not sure this is enough to deter me to be honest - but it does make me think about how much of a habit Im comfortable with this being.

Money is just money.  It is hard to calibrate scales between people.  Your petty cash is my life-changing amount.  The secret to FIRE is that you are buying TIME.

If you spend $50k per year, that $400k is 8 years of more working.  (Yes, putting aside all inflation / compounding / ongoing costs, etc.)

Do you want the car enough to work 8 years, just for that?  Then you have the answer of whether or not it's worth it, to you.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2024, 01:35:15 PM »
You've done a pretty good run at the numbers, and I think you're going in eyes wide open.

I'm a car guy also (currently into 4x4s but have also owned a Miata in the past) and while driving economical cars seems to be a core pillar of extreme mustachianism, I think as long as you're running the numbers and making a plan, there's room to buy something fun if that is what makes you happy.  We've got 3!! Gasp! Toyota 4x4s in the family, and one is a full on V8 Clown Car of a Land Cruiser.  We take great family adventures in it, go off-roading, and it's worth the hit to the budget for us.  We also bought it 10 years old for $20k, instead of $85k new for basically the same thing.  We're still saving 50% of our take home every month, we're still riding bikes where possible, and we go days without even getting in any car. 

I will note, that my stepdad has an S2000 he bought new for $35k, and I owned a '91 Miata for about 5 years that I bought for $2800.  I spent enough time with both to be very familiar with them.  For day to day pure grin inducing fun, I'd pick the $2800 Miata any day.  No stress, fun to drive, cheap to keep up.  Depreciated about $100 per year during our ownership.  His S2000 is beat up from being parked on the street and not getting driven enough, and it's lost $20k of it's value. 

So, my advice is maximize the fun per dollar and go for it! 
 

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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2024, 01:53:53 PM »
The last guy I knew your age (and sounds like life stage), who purchased a sports car because he always dreamed of having one ended up trading it in for an SUV a year later and regretted the decision to purchase the sports car in the first place.

Why?  Because he also likes to do mountain hobbies all seasons and couldn't haul his  buddies and stuff when it was his turn to drive.  So, what's the big deal?  He had a new young wife, and they were a two car couple, so he could use his wife's vehicle.  The terrible situation though was that he was then leaving her for the day with a car she couldn't drive because she didn't know how to use a manual transmission.  Unfair to her and a source of marital strife.

Soooo, long story short, it isn't just a "can you afford it?" question, but a "does it really fit into your present and near future life?" question.  Mustachians purchase cars for the long haul, if this doesn't serve your near future needs to put a child seat in the back, then is this really the car for you?  There is a reason men wait to mid life for their sports car and it isn't just financial. 
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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2024, 02:05:32 PM »
There is also a signalling aspect of a car purchase.

Car is a very visible attribute of wealth. In addition to wealth, sports car signals other things, like a certain attitude. Yes, it is silly and stereotypical. However, a stereotype of a "young wealthy/financial train wreck person YOLO and drive aggressively in a sports car" exists for a reason.

So the car you drive will change the way how people see you.

You don't say anything about your personal life. Do you have a stable partner? Are you dating?

A car like that will attract certain type of dating opportunities to you and remove others. Partially because someone would stereotype you and partially because of real or perceived difference of values.

As someone upstream said, if you have a partner, it's probably important to consider them. If you don't have a partner, you should consider how a flashy car will change your dating pool. Will you attract people more into luxurious spending? Will you attract someone into instant gratification? Are these the people you want to date long term? Etc. etc.

What other *status* items will come together with this car? Are you comfortable wearing simple clothes or you would have to upgrade to look the part?

There are a lot of questions for self reflection outside of price tag.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2024, 02:08:48 PM »
$50k on a car is just to show off to others. You can get a great car for half that or less. I just got a few year old Volkswagen GTI for about $24k and it's more fun to drive than the BMW 335i and 540i that I owned before.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2024, 03:43:17 PM »
Another thing to consider not on the money side is how are you going to feel about leaving something that costs that much money out and about?  I drive a Miata, but it is an older one so not very expensive. 

It has been hit three times while parked, and not small hits.  Twice the front bumper has been taken partially off, it is now being held on by metal brackets thanks to DH.  Once it got backed into right into the driver side door leaving a big dent.  Poor girl.  One of the issues with a cute little sports car is that it is cute and little and people in their mondo giant cars just can't see her.  When she is in a parking lot, I can't move her out of the way when they clip my spot. 

So if that idea stresses you out majorly,  you might want to put your money into something that isn't at the mercy of other people.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2024, 04:19:56 PM »
Have you taken a good look at what you currently spend on transportation vs. what you'd spend on a car (beyond the purchase price)?  Would all of your current transportation costs go away, or are you so accustomed to public transport that you'd have some of your current expenses PLUS the new car expenses? (I have always lived in car-dependent locations, so I'm not really sure what not having a car would cost, so genuinely curious if you have any numbers to share.)

Car costs can depend a lot on where you live and how you live, but make sure you're factoring in gas, insurance, maintenance, registration, taxes, and parking fees.

I have a relatively inexpensive small sedan (bought new 11 years ago, no regrets there), and in that time have averaged spending $2,155/yr for the items above.

I probably would get rid of the majority of my current transportation costs but they're so small it doesn't count for much - probably $30-$40/month though I don't know that for sure. I walk most places.

Yeah, Id definitely aim to keep all those related car expenses down as much as I can - parking and insurance seem to be the biggest two risks and variables there. I will make sure I'm living somewhere that neither of those would be abnormally expensive/unaffordable.

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2024, 04:23:29 PM »
You've heard about why spending money on cars is pretty detrimental to long term wealth building. Bottom line, see if there's a more economical way to do what you want for fun. Example...maybe consider renting fancy cars once a month so that you get the thrill of driving something fun without the carrying costs. I bet you could do a lot with 5-10k a year earmarked for that. Or get something used that maybe has stabilized in value so that you're not burning so much money.

You'll run into this in the future as well. For example, as my family grew, we got rid of the Camry and went with a used Sienna. Could I have spent $50k on a new one? Or on a used Suburban? Sure, but then my expenses would be higher and net worth would be lower just so that I could say I bought something newer or cooler.

I'm not a car guy, so keep that in mind.

Appreciate the suggestions. I think renting some fun stuff makes sense as a way for me to try some cars I otherwise can't justify owning, but I don't think it would work for me as my *only* access to a fun car.

Going used is definitely something I'll consider too, although it depends a bit on the specific car I end up looking at.

I could see myself getting a used minivan myself some day - just not as my only car! ;)

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2024, 04:27:10 PM »
If you want to buy a car, and are aware of the full financial implications then there's nothing stopping you.

I will push back on the idea that you'd need to buy brand new, or spend $50k to get what you want. There are ways to achieve what you want in less impactful ways.

Here's a gently used 2019 ND2 Miata with under 30k miles for less than $19k:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/691244621?allListingType=all-cars&city=Lebanon&makeCode=MAZDA&marketExtension=off&modelCode=MIATA&newSearch=false&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fall-cars%2Fmazda%2Fmx-5-miata%2Flebanon-ks%3FisNewSearch%3Dfalse%26marketExtension%3Doff%26searchRadius%3D0%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26startYear%3D2019%26zip%3D66952&searchRadius=0&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&startYear=2019&state=KS&zip=66952&clickType=listing

Besides having a much lower initial buy in, it will be less expensive to insure than brand new, and potentially less expensive to register (depending on location).

I agree, I will likely spend a good amount less than $50k realistically. Just was a bit surprising to notice that even at that amount, it seemed pretty doable without hurting my goals.

I will look at used options too and see if there is something that fits - though that Miata is only the sport trim, so Im going to need to spend another $3k or so for the one with an LSD ;) 

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2024, 04:33:08 PM »

I don't know for certain of course, but I am guessing I would absolutely love the Miata or 86 - I do question how much more enjoyment you can get beyond them, even though I dream of someday owning more expensive and faster cars. If you can barely drive it on the street, how much is it really doing for you?

Very true. A new Camry is as fast as a 90's Ferrari (https://www.theautopian.com/heres-how-much-faster-heavier-and-more-powerful-cars-have-gotten-over-the-last-50-years/) and a $40k EV can get you into trouble in just a few seconds. But it also raises the issue that how much fun can you really expect to have in a manual daily driver in NE traffic? Maybe get a Honda Fit and put the rest of your budget into track days, an autocross car, or an Miata weekender if you really like driving.

My theory based on my experience and a decade of Jalopnik/Autopian comments particularly related to autonomous vehicles, is that car guys are in denial about how little fun 90% of their time spent driving and parking is and that their car's capabilities (whether speed or off road) are wasted if not a detriment another 5 to 10% of the time.

Fair point, re: how fun would my driving be. I am hoping to be living in a more driver/car friendly area in the near-medium term future which is around when I would look to buy the car. Unfortunately, at the moment, I can't justify it for driving experience or cost.

I will say every time I think I should get a daily driver/commuter car/grocery hauler/bad weather capable supplement to whatever fun car I want, it starts out sounding like a reasonable option and then next thing I know Im looking at used $30k luxury sport sedans on car gurus lol.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2024, 04:36:21 PM »
We have a Miata. Great car for many reasons. It's the DW's primary car to drive to work. It's fun to drive. We're even in a Miata club.

We put about 6,000 miles a year on it. Why?

1. It's terrifying to drive on the highway, especially in this era of distracted drivers, downsized police forces, reckless driving, etc.
2. In case you haven't noticed, there's no storage. You're a young guy, fine. Presumably you're not driving more than one person around. Still, you might want to take a trip where you can take more than a couple of duffel bags.
3. If you're taller than 5-10, it's tough getting in and out of the thing. DW is 5-2. Not an issue for her.

Here in Florida, golf carts have become ubiquitous and annoying. Still, I can't help but notice that they're Miata-like in many respects in terms of storage and giving you a top-down driving experience. Hell, if we lived 1-2 miles from DW's work rather than 6, she could probably get by with a golf cart.

Yeah, I do wonder about the day to day livability of the Miata. I test drove one a while back and fit but I am a bit taller and Im not sure how it would feel every day. And I was more willing to deal with lack of storage when I was 24 then I am now, but for now I don't have much need for hauling capacity or a backseat.

The GR86 seems to be the more 'livable' option for the cheap 'practical' sports car. But I lose the top down fun lol.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2024, 04:57:24 PM »
One thing Young Me consistently did was overestimate how well things would go in the future and how much energy Older Me would have for dealing with the consequences of my previous mistakes.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2024, 04:59:26 PM »
OK, car guy here (ask me about my StupidCar).

First, I think you are ignoring hedonic adaptation.  This is not a one-time car purchase.  Do you really think you're going to buy one, say, $40K car now, and then keep it for the next 40 years?  Not the way these things work.  Once you are in a car that's really fun to drive, you are not going to want to go back on pain of death.  That means that the longer in life you can postpone getting on that treadmill, the better off you are, because there are fewer replacements to factor in, and fewer fancy new things you'll learn you now desperately want.  So when you figure out how this will affect your budget, factor in a replacement fund, too, assuming you replace the vehicle every 5-10 years for the rest of your life.

Second, your plan is reasonable for where you are now.  But does where you are now reflect where you want to be in 10 years, or are there changes that may come?  Is there a partner involved, or a potential partner in the future?  What about kids?  Do you own a home, or might you want to at some point?  A sportscar is the best embodiment I know of immediate gratification -- it is like the best BrightShiny EVER.  Longer-term goals often feel less urgent/compelling in the moment, but they can actually make your life happiness significantly better or worse depending on how prepared you are.*  So make sure that plan accounts for changes that either you might like to see, or would really hate to have hit if you're not financially prepared (e.g., the hit-by-a-bus outcome). 

Then do the research and the actual math.  Call your insurer and get a quote for the kind/year car you're looking at.  Think about various options that might be fun to drive with less outlay (a used WRX comes to mind -- driving that car made me bust out in a grin).  Use IRS figures and anticipated mileage to figure out likely depreciation and maintenance costs -- then double those if you go upscale (funny how maintenance tends to increase dramatically with car make/model -- I have a 911, and OMFG). 

Then, since you don't have a clear vision of your dream car in your mind, give yourself a year or two to do real-life research.  What is it that makes you smile?  The pedal-to-the-metal acceleration?  The growl of an engine?  The handling through a tight turn?  Are you big or small?  (We looked at the Alfa sports-mobile, and our American asses barely even fit in the seats; I ended up not getting the WRX because my DH's hockey-player-build shoulders weren't comfortable; etc.) Do you want to attract a lot of attention or fly beneath the radar?  The idea of a sporty feeling means different things to different people, and the only way to figure out what really resonates with you is to try out a bunch of different ones. 

Once you have a whole bunch more data and a better sense of what matters and what doesn't, look for the car that represents the knee of the curve -- the one where the smiles:price ratio is highest.  I've always liked smaller cars that are zippy, with a stick, and with excellent responsiveness/stability around turns, so I'd be much happier in a Miata than a Camaro, you know?  My DH is exactly the opposite -- he's all about big cars and pickup on a straightaway and has a thing for American muscle.  There's no right or wrong,** just the best choice for you.

FWIW, my own path:  I always had cars that were fun to drive but clear daily drivers, not a "sportscar" per se (e.g., 1990s Acura Integra GSR).  Once I had retirement and kids college fully funded, however, and I could pay cash, I did let myself buy my dream used car (2015 911 Carrera 4S GTS Cabriolet -- turns out having the top down makes me super happy).  Actually, I let my spendypants DH talk me into it, but same difference.  It is far and away the best StupidMoney I have ever spent in my life; I literally smile every time I drive it.  OTOH, I was also in my 50s, and the kids no longer required a back seat, and like I said, we were already FI, and I was still working just because I wanted to.  And I DO consider this to be my last car, because I'm old enough now that it's feasible, and it's the kind of car that people really can and do keep 20-30 years.*** 

Part of the reason I enjoy the car so much is because I DID wait.  I get nauseated about spending money (almost threw up buying the house, no lie), but there was no guilt or stress here, because I knew the future was covered, so I wasn't putting my own fun above someone else's (or my own) needs.  I worked a lot and saved a lot for a long time, so I really have a feeling of having earned that kind of a splurge through my own 30 years of delayed gratification. 

YMMV, of course. 


*I am reminded of my buddy who went to Harvard Law, graduated with $100K in loans, and then realized after a year at BigLaw that he absolutely hated BigLaw and wanted to be an FBI Agent.  The next 5-ish years for him were NOT particularly happy.

**I lied.  He's wrong, I'm right.

***It will certainly be my last car for as long as I can drive a stick, as those are few and far between.  Assuming I don't do something stupid with it first.  And part of the reason for buying it at around 50 was I was starting to get periodic left knee issues that made it clear I might not be able to drive a stick forever.  Since that is a key part of the experience for me, DH pointed out it made sense to buy the car while I could still enjoy that aspect of it.

I'm jealous of your stupid car! A 911 is on the 'maybe someday' list.

These are great points and questions too (though in my defense, I did acknowledge hedonic adaptation as a risk!).

Certainly, I don't think this will be the last sports car I want to buy. I already have ideas for what my next couple could be, but I am trying to maintain self control lol.

Definitely, there are other things that I do want more than a car. Less exciting maybe, but I do want to buy a house in the next few years (and save up for my potential children's futures/educations. Those are certainly worth considering, but I don't feel entirely unprepared for them so long as I continue to save. I kind of expected when I crunched these numbers to realize that, no I can't justify my stupid car because these other things have to come first - but it didn't really seem that way after my (admittedly back of the napkin) calculation.

Good tip to get specific insurance numbers too. I am just ball parking that right now.

I do have a pretty clear idea of what I want the car to be though. I want a RWD, manual car that's a blast on a windy road. I also wouldn't mind some wild acceleration, wicked good looks, and a roaring V8, but you can't get all of that within my budget so I'll probably stick to the first set of options - basically the Miata and GR86, though I could see also test driving a Mustang just to see if it surprises me and feels better. Maaaayyybe a C6 but Im probably going to wait for that one.

I could see myself doing something similar to what you did someday if I am lucky enough to be in a similar spot - whether it's a 911 or a Z06. But agreed, certain things should come first before that kind of car.

Appreciate the detailed response!




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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2024, 05:02:51 PM »
I'm sure you are aware that there will be on going insurance, maintenance, storage, and other expenses with a $50k car, plus the worry about it. It doesn't sound like you are looking for a daily driver, so perhaps a weekend or even a track car? I would suggest a older low mileage sports car and try it out. You may find that owning a sports car isn't all its cracked up to be (https://www.1500days.com/why-we-sold-our-fancy-car-the-acura-nsx/) or that an older, cheaper, and less worry car scratches the itch.

And don't forget, for car questions, Miata Is Always The Answer!
But a Fiatta (Fiat Spyder 124 built in the Miata factory)  is a good alternative, and it turns more heads than a Miata. I say that having utmost respect for the Miata as the sports car of the century.

I am a lot like the OP in  that I wanted  a drivable, reliable sports car like forever.

Only I am not at all like the OP in that I got my car when I was 65 years old and had significant assets. Sure, I had flirted with sports cars over decades and had an MG midget as my very first car, and then had a TR6 as a spare car. Then DH also bought a non-running TR6. But none of them were very reliable vehicles. This newish Fiat is reliable, a car I can actually drive out of town without worry of a breakdown.

The OP is leafing out critical information as to which sports car he’s wants to buy. $50,000 doesn’t seem like very much money for a new car, so I wonder what he’s looking at?

OP, tell us what you’re looking at for the thing you want to buy that we’re not going to let you buy because it’s not a good decision.

And take it from an old person who likes cars, love for the right cars will never go away. To this day I’m still jonesing for a big Healy. Also, I have a yen for funny little comic cars like Izettas, Nash Metropolitans, today’s Smart cards,, early and original Mini Coopers.

Love the Fiata! I go back and forth between that and the Miata all time. Id probably get one of those two or a GR86, so not actually $50k. The extra can go toward my insurance or something.

Or maybe Ill just cave and use the full $50k on a Corvette ;)

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2024, 05:04:26 PM »
You can get a model 3 performance for ~$35k. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds.

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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2024, 05:08:00 PM »
I was in your shoes 8 years ago.........pulled the trigger on a new to me luxury sports car.

At the time it was ~10% of my net worth......I paid cash.

It seemed like a great idea on paper, but I got used to the car after a while. The added stress of rock chips, shopping carts and other things dinging it as a daily driver drove me nuts. On top of that it developed a leak in the moonroof and had electric gremlins that showed up in the third year of ownership. I sold it after almost 4 years for roughly 55% of what I paid.......

The next time I own a "fun" car I will be way beyond my FIRE number and the value of the car will be a rounding error. Until then, it's just not worth it. You can rent a fun car a few times a year to get it out of your system, until you're closer to being FI :)

Occasionally, I toy with the idea of a luxury sport sedan (as a practical daily driver to my true 'fun car' of course), and am always shocked at the depreciation. Almost makes them tempting if you buy them used. Of course, then there's the maintenance...

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2024, 05:13:40 PM »
As someone who always chose the sensible, economical choices, I say go for it.  The actual increased cost for a 50k sports car over a camry is about $5k-6k per year or $50k over the 10 year life. I'm almost 40 now and worth well over a million. I could easily buy a corvette now, it wouldn't make a dent in my FIRE plans but it just doesn't have the same appeal anymore. I have a wife and daughter and another on the way. Car seats don't fit in the back of a corvette.  I never have time or energy to just go cruising without our child. We don't have garage space for 3 cars and need two that can carry two car seats. I regret not splurging on a fun, sporty car when I would have enjoyed it more. I might end up with one at some point but I know for a fact it won't be as fun and exciting as when I was in my late 20s or early 30s and single and childless.  If you buy it and change your mind after a year or two, you can always sell it and you are out 10k or 15k. No big deal.  But if you always wanted a sports car and can clearly afford it, you will regret it if you don't at least try it.  Whether it's cars, boats, vacations, parties, trips, etc they don't provide the same fun and excitement as you get older as they did when you were young and care free, so it's important to splurge occasionally while you are still young and carefree.

Thank you, that makes two votes for 'go for it'! (Im not gonna count up the posts recommending caution...)

I think it's a good point about wanting to do it earlier while it fits my life a bit better and avoiding regret. I don't regret not having bought it already, but even now a part of me feels like - how have I still not gotten one? Im almost in my 30s! And I know if I wait too long I will regret it. Ive loved cars since I was a little kid and have never owned (and barely ever even driven) anything you could count as a fun car.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2024, 05:26:35 PM »
The last guy I knew your age (and sounds like life stage), who purchased a sports car because he always dreamed of having one ended up trading it in for an SUV a year later and regretted the decision to purchase the sports car in the first place.

Why?  Because he also likes to do mountain hobbies all seasons and couldn't haul his  buddies and stuff when it was his turn to drive.  So, what's the big deal?  He had a new young wife, and they were a two car couple, so he could use his wife's vehicle.  The terrible situation though was that he was then leaving her for the day with a car she couldn't drive because she didn't know how to use a manual transmission.  Unfair to her and a source of marital strife.

Soooo, long story short, it isn't just a "can you afford it?" question, but a "does it really fit into your present and near future life?" question.  Mustachians purchase cars for the long haul, if this doesn't serve your near future needs to put a child seat in the back, then is this really the car for you?  There is a reason men wait to mid life for their sports car and it isn't just financial.

A fair question! Honestly, my view most of my life has been that assuming I have enough to cover the true essentials, my next car will be a sports car and Ill figure out how to make other needs like back seats for kids, or cargo space for trips, etc work. If I need to, I'd probably buy a cheap 10 year old Camry or something similar to use when I need something more practical.

But I also think kids are probably still a few years away, so I am not too worried. I do plan to keep the car long term though - Ill drive a POS daily if I have to to make it work.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2024, 05:31:25 PM »
There is also a signalling aspect of a car purchase.

Car is a very visible attribute of wealth. In addition to wealth, sports car signals other things, like a certain attitude. Yes, it is silly and stereotypical. However, a stereotype of a "young wealthy/financial train wreck person YOLO and drive aggressively in a sports car" exists for a reason.

So the car you drive will change the way how people see you.

You don't say anything about your personal life. Do you have a stable partner? Are you dating?

A car like that will attract certain type of dating opportunities to you and remove others. Partially because someone would stereotype you and partially because of real or perceived difference of values.

As someone upstream said, if you have a partner, it's probably important to consider them. If you don't have a partner, you should consider how a flashy car will change your dating pool. Will you attract people more into luxurious spending? Will you attract someone into instant gratification? Are these the people you want to date long term? Etc. etc.

What other *status* items will come together with this car? Are you comfortable wearing simple clothes or you would have to upgrade to look the part?

There are a lot of questions for self reflection outside of price tag.

A fair point, but I am not too concerned about most people's perception of me. If they think I am silly and a financial train wreck that's fine. I am not single anyways, and my gf is fine with the car. And honestly, I think the cars Im looking at, while fun, aren't flashy enough to really attract the wrong crowd.

Again, fair questions, but changing my wardrobe or appearance to match the car isn't something that would ever even occur to me. I just like the car for the sake of it being a fun car.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2024, 05:32:23 PM »
$50k on a car is just to show off to others. You can get a great car for half that or less. I just got a few year old Volkswagen GTI for about $24k and it's more fun to drive than the BMW 335i and 540i that I owned before.

That is certainly true some times, but it is also often not true. And would not be the case for me.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2024, 05:34:28 PM »
Another thing to consider not on the money side is how are you going to feel about leaving something that costs that much money out and about?  I drive a Miata, but it is an older one so not very expensive. 

It has been hit three times while parked, and not small hits.  Twice the front bumper has been taken partially off, it is now being held on by metal brackets thanks to DH.  Once it got backed into right into the driver side door leaving a big dent.  Poor girl.  One of the issues with a cute little sports car is that it is cute and little and people in their mondo giant cars just can't see her.  When she is in a parking lot, I can't move her out of the way when they clip my spot. 

So if that idea stresses you out majorly,  you might want to put your money into something that isn't at the mercy of other people.

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Yeah, this does worry me. I even looked into what paint protection would cost. But I can't justify it lol.

At the end of the day, its car. It was meant to be driven and get dinged and scratched. Im sure the first scratch or rock chip will hurt but Ill get over it, and keep enjoying driving it.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2024, 05:36:08 PM »
One thing Young Me consistently did was overestimate how well things would go in the future and how much energy Older Me would have for dealing with the consequences of my previous mistakes.

Do you have examples? I think things like that are more in line with what could actually talk me out of this.

But I also feel like my assumptions are pretty conservative. Things could easily turn out better!

Then again, I am too young to have been working in 2008. Maybe that makes me naive.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2024, 05:50:18 PM »
I've purchased three sports cars and they were all under $13K and in good shape. I made a few thousand, broke even, and "lost" a couple thousand after selling them. I had a lot of fun and have no regrets enjoying my time with them before starting a family.

Enjoy a sports car now, but don't fool yourself into thinking you need to spend a lot to get a fun car. You can spend a small fraction of that $50K and get almost the same amount of enjoyment.

FWIW, my favorite was the WRX as @Laura33 mentioned.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2024, 06:08:12 PM »
Definitely no. Like, absolutely not. Why would you even think that. Etc.

First, would you insure that car liability only, or would you insure it to its full value in case you or anybody else accidentally totaled it? Because I'm here to tell you that insuring for the full value of a car is nature's way of telling you you are poor, too poor to buy that car. If your car gets totaled and nobody's insurance pays for it you need to be able to have so much money that you don't even care, and get an Uber to the dealership on the way home to buy another with the cash at hand.

Or, on Bogleheads there was a long time poster who says you can afford to buy a car worth no more than your investments have declined in value on a single day on the market. I might rephrase that you can buy at most a car equal to what your investments make in a year without you lifting a finger. $50,000/.07 = $750,000 before you can afford that much.

At least buy your house first. See how you still feel about it after you've put 20% down and are making monthly payments plus maintenance and improvements.

I bought a Forester at the same age a year before finding this website. It is a way more practical vehicle and has served us very well, but I still regret it. I should have bought something older and more affordable, or nothing at all, and I'd have an extra $50,000+ right now. It would have put me over the 7 figure threshold already if I'd done that.

But, yeah my dream car is a WRX or a minivan, which is how I ended up with a Forester which is halfway to either. So maybe I could be more accepting if you got a WRX.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2024, 06:25:10 PM »
Saving an extra $50K is a good goal. Maybe start working towards that in addition to what you currently save/invest? Make it a stretch goal. Once you get to $50K in that account do what you want with it.

I was hot for a travel van and kept telling myself I'd buy one when I had the excess $$ to do so. It was good motivation to save/invest more and faster. I've got the excess funds now I could pay cash for one. I'm not going to, but I could. Having had a bunch of time to think about it the van isn't important enough to me to spend the $$.

I've probably got another 10 years or so left in the service life of my 2010 truck. When that gets replaced I might buy something fancy. I might buy something cheap. No idea at this point.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2024, 08:47:54 PM »
I have done it twice. First was a used Porsche Cayman that has been incredibly cheap to own (ignoring opportunity cost). Second was a new Polestar that has been a depreciation black hole. Check out my latest annual vehicle expenses post for a detailed break down. Short story is I don't recommend following in my footsteps unless you're already FI.

I've also owned an 86 (Subaru BRZ), purchased new in 2013. There is practically no difference between a decade-old 86 and a brand new one. Go spend $15k on one (or a Miata) and it will serve you very well. Cheap to buy and own, a blast to drive.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2024, 08:53:04 PM »
I agree with @Radagast on all points. I like couching big purchases as a function of years of investing lost and/or years of investment returns.


Short story is I don't recommend following in my footsteps unless you're already FI.

I'm really impressed with both your bookkeeping and your honesty! I wish everybody were capable of such steely-eyed analyses.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2024, 08:55:22 PM »
Enough with the math, guys…

Since you’ve already been so analytical and thoughtful about this it’s a complete no brainer to buy the car.

You earned it, you weighed the pros and cons, just do it, and don’t look back.

You only live once!

Haha well, I admit, this is what I *want* to hear.

Well, you made your bed by posting this here. After reading through this thread, buying the new car you really wanted must seem about as much fun as cleaning a shoe after you stepped in a fresh pile.

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Re: Spending $50k on a car seems....fine?
« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2024, 10:16:31 PM »
You can get a LOT of car for $20k. C5 Corvette and Porsche Boxster are cars I’ve owned in the last several years. For well under that number. The Boxster is easily the most fun car I've ever driven. I tend to spend money on toys like this but can't fathom spending $50k with so many cheaper alternatives. Buy something fun!

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!