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Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« on: August 07, 2013, 05:00:44 PM »
After convincing my husband to sell our (really his) 2007 Subaru Outback, I figured I'd check out what kind of price Carmax would offer us since there was one 10 minutes from my friend's house and I was already planning on visiting her.  I assumed the Carmax offer would be a bit low, but considering we were spending over $700/month for the privilege of having a car we barely drove, I thought taking a slightly lower offer could make sense since it was going to take a few weeks for us to get the car to my parents' house.

Kelley Blue Book is right at $11k, Carmax offered me $7k, and we just sold the car for $11k to a friend of my dad's!  I did pay $120 to have it washed and detailed and have the upholstery and the carpets cleaned.  It seriously looked brand new, which I think definitely helped us get full asking price.  That and the fact that the guy didn't negotiate AT ALL.  :P

I've heard here on MMM and elsewhere that sometimes Carmax makes good offers, but that obviously wasn't the case for us.  I'm sure it depends on the car and current inventory and such, but still-$4k less than private party value was pretty ridiculous.

So excited! This will allow us to pay off the remaining car loan ($7500), plus almost an entire credit card.  Not to mention the increase in cash flow EVERY month.  It's all going to go straight to debt and then savings once the debt is gone. 


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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2013, 05:08:09 PM »
Well, Carmax obviously wants to make a profit, so by definition you should be able to beat it easily with a private sale.

I do appreciate the fact that Carmax will buy a car on the spot, and that they will give you a price with no gotchas, and let you think about their offer for a week. That's pretty appealing compared to listing a car for sale, dealing with buyers who might or might not be wasting your time.

But private sale also has it's benefit, as mentioned.

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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2013, 05:23:06 PM »
Awesome, 700/mo increase in cash flow! *wipes drool from face*

My coworker talked about taking his car to carmax. A 2011 BMW 5 series with a lease. He hasn't done it yet cause there's a dent he wanted to fix. I wonder if it's even worth the effort. I imagine the autobody bill will offset any price difference. He's paying $900/mo (not incl insurance) plus $200/mo for parking so any delay is costing him a king's ransom.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2013, 05:44:40 PM »
nice!

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2013, 06:31:40 PM »
Well, Carmax obviously wants to make a profit, so by definition you should be able to beat it easily with a private sale.

I do appreciate the fact that Carmax will buy a car on the spot, and that they will give you a price with no gotchas, and let you think about their offer for a week. That's pretty appealing compared to listing a car for sale, dealing with buyers who might or might not be wasting your time.

But private sale also has it's benefit, as mentioned.

Obviously they want to make a profit, so I was assuming an offer would be lower than KBB ($11k).  I figured if it takes a month to sell a car to a private party, and my car is costing me $700/month, and say Carmax offered me $10k or even $9500, I'd maybe go for it.  $4k less is nuts though.

I've heard pretty good things here on the forums about offers from Carmax, but they were for newer cars, which probably makes a difference. 

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2013, 06:34:37 PM »
Awesome, 700/mo increase in cash flow! *wipes drool from face*

My coworker talked about taking his car to carmax. A 2011 BMW 5 series with a lease. He hasn't done it yet cause there's a dent he wanted to fix. I wonder if it's even worth the effort. I imagine the autobody bill will offset any price difference. He's paying $900/mo (not incl insurance) plus $200/mo for parking so any delay is costing him a king's ransom.

HOLY SHIT, $900/month for a lease?!!  :O   He may have better luck with Carmax than I did, the posts I read on MMM about people getting good offers were for newer cars.

And yeah, $700/month increase in cash flow makes me pretty damn happy!  I hate owning cars and wanted to get rid of that car even before finding MMM.  Laying out all the numbers for my husband finally pushed him over the edge.  He agreed so easily I was like "Really?!!  OKAY QUICK BEFORE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND."  :P

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2013, 06:35:26 PM »
nice!

Thanks starting!  I can't wait until next month to fully notice the savings!  (Already paid car payment and insurance for this month so it doesn't feel like we have more $ yet!)

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2013, 06:42:50 PM »
Obviously they want to make a profit, so I was assuming an offer would be lower than KBB ($11k).  I figured if it takes a month to sell a car to a private party, and my car is costing me $700/month, and say Carmax offered me $10k or even $9500, I'd maybe go for it.  $4k less is nuts though.

But it's also possible that your buyer way overpaid compared to the vehicle's true market value. KBB is a good resource, but it doesn't know every little thing about the condition of your car, compared to a trained appraiser actually looking at it.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2013, 07:07:29 PM »
Obviously they want to make a profit, so I was assuming an offer would be lower than KBB ($11k).  I figured if it takes a month to sell a car to a private party, and my car is costing me $700/month, and say Carmax offered me $10k or even $9500, I'd maybe go for it.  $4k less is nuts though.

But it's also possible that your buyer way overpaid compared to the vehicle's true market value. KBB is a good resource, but it doesn't know every little thing about the condition of your car, compared to a trained appraiser actually looking at it.

Nope, they didn't overpay at all.  Before pricing I looked at comps for sale in the area at various places (Craigslist private and dealer cars for sale, cars.com, carmax.com, etc.), and used Edmunds and KBB.   The asking price was based on comps, and it was priced fairly for its condition, which was excellent.  I'd say the price was just fine seeing as how I sold it for full price immediately.   

A "trained appraiser" at Carmax isn't exactly a neutral party.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2013, 07:17:18 PM »
A "trained appraiser" at Carmax isn't exactly a neutral party.

Perhaps not, but they know they're in competition with other potential buyers and have a reputation as a major national brand to uphold.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2013, 07:24:49 PM »
A "trained appraiser" at Carmax isn't exactly a neutral party.

Perhaps not, but they know they're in competition with other potential buyers and have a reputation as a major national brand to uphold.

Not sure why you want to argue with me.  This is MMM, and I made $4k by doing minimal legwork.  Pretty sure that's grounds for high fives all around, not pointless arguing.  But feel free to sell all your cars to trained appraisers at Carmax in the future!

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2013, 07:29:00 PM »
Arguing? Wow, I didn't even know I was in an argument!

That wasn't my motivation at all.

I never even implied that you didn't get a good deal. You seemed surprised about the $4k discrepancy, and I was simply offering possible explanations. Sorry I tried to have a conversation.


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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2013, 07:30:55 PM »
Good work! :D All that extra money next month will be sweet!!

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2013, 07:51:34 PM »
Carmax isn't the best place to buy or sell a car.  They charge too much for their cars and when you trade-in they give you peanuts.  You are much better off going to a dealership or a Mom and Pop operation.  All Carmax offers is convenience and a pretty presentation and that doesn't amount to much in my book.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2013, 07:52:43 PM »
Good work! :D All that extra money next month will be sweet!!

Thanks Eva!  Although to be fair, full credit really goes to my dad for knowing everyone always!  He seriously sells cars in like a day.  I told him if he ever needs more $ he should come out of retirement and sell cars for a living! :P 
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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2013, 07:53:58 PM »
Carmax isn't the best place to buy or sell a car.  They charge too much for their cars and when you trade-in they give you peanuts.  You are much better off going to a dealership or a Mom and Pop operation.  All Carmax offers is convenience and a pretty presentation and that doesn't amount to much in my book.

Agreed!  I've never bought from them because they're so overpriced, but I figured if the appraisal was quick and free I'd check it out.  Lesson learned though-if I ever have another car to sell I won't waste my time.

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2013, 08:43:56 PM »
Congrats on selling it yourself and freeing up that cash flow. When I sold my 10 year old car at the time I actually was able to sell it for about 20% above blue book. The reason was that it was at a cash price point in a major metro area and those things fly off of craigslist crazy fast.

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2013, 08:54:38 PM »
Congrats on selling it yourself and freeing up that cash flow. When I sold my 10 year old car at the time I actually was able to sell it for about 20% above blue book. The reason was that it was at a cash price point in a major metro area and those things fly off of craigslist crazy fast.

Thanks!  20% more?  Awesome!  Maybe I think I should have listed it higher!  :P   I'm happy with the price and the speediness though, no complaints here.

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2013, 09:11:20 PM »
I'll be sure and pass on this to folks who are thinking about selling their financial boat-anchors cars.

Don't think it will ever work for me, though.  If someone offers me over $500 for a car it just means I haven't driven it enough yet. :)

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2013, 09:28:28 PM »
I'll be sure and pass on this to folks who are thinking about selling their financial boat-anchors cars.

Don't think it will ever work for me, though.  If someone offers me over $500 for a car it just means I haven't driven it enough yet. :)

LOL that's my kind of car. I had a fantastically beat up 1997 Toyota Camry for years until a drunk driver totaled it while it was parked in front of my house.  I got almost $5k in insurance money, which is what I paid for it years before!  Not a bad deal, really.  But I'll never have a car loan again...I would love to never have a car again, actually!

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2013, 07:23:23 AM »
Just to agree with what others have said, carmax will always give you a very low offer. That said, it's probably the best trade-in offer you'll get. Selling cars private party is just not that hard or time consuming with a well crafted ad and feeling out your potential buys before you waste time meeting them. Since I like cars and have been known to trade too often, I always buy/sell private party. The on car I did get a carmax estimate own was sold private party for 3K above their offer. If you're own this forum, you should do it yourself.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2013, 08:37:44 AM »
Arguing? Wow, I didn't even know I was in an argument!

That wasn't my motivation at all.

I never even implied that you didn't get a good deal. You seemed surprised about the $4k discrepancy, and I was simply offering possible explanations. Sorry I tried to have a conversation.

You do tend to clarify other folks points or play devils advocate a lot.  Just saying. Not disagreeing with what you said though.

IMO CarMax isn't Mustachian at all.  It's convenient, and MMMers avoid convenience if there is a lot of money at stake for that convenience in so many areas.  Carmax (headquartered here in Richmond!) has a sound business model.  They offer convenience for the person ditching their car, they offer a convenient, reliable selection of newer used cars for the buyer.  So I can see how they can turn a pretty penny in this market.  Of course, that convenience comes with a price.  They need to make a decent profit on each buy and sell.  They aren't a charity after all.  I think that's what renbutler was getting at.

What CarMax is not is a good value for the person willing to do their own leg work, and MMMers appreciate that above all else.

So congrats to the OP for not taking the easy road and putting 4K in your pocket!  Kudos!

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2013, 11:08:05 AM »
Congrats on getting rid of the extra debt/payment! Now do the right thing, pay off the other and the credit card and save/invest all that money you're saving every month.

People have no idea how much is wasted on cars. There's a whole industry like Carmax to take advantage of people who arent willing to do it themselves too.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2013, 11:44:48 AM »
There's a whole industry like Carmax to take advantage of people who arent willing to do it themselves too.

Well, it could be argued that just about EVERY industry "takes advantage of people who aren't willing to do things themselves."

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2013, 12:02:34 PM »
Carmax (and its ilk) is actually worth it in some limited cases.   I sold my old Honda Prelude to them after I bought my 98 Grand Prix, new.  They offered significantly more than dealer trade in -  because it wasn't a pontiac dealer.  I wanted to sell the car fast for a decent amount of money and it worked.  I wasn't going to sell that Prelude to anyone I knew (as I really don't want to do that with cars in general) and there was no Craiglist at the time.

So, in those cases where you need the cash now, and you want to get decent value for it - it is worth it for older cars.


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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2013, 02:23:17 PM »
Congrats on getting rid of the extra debt/payment! Now do the right thing, pay off the other and the credit card and save/invest all that money you're saving every month.

People have no idea how much is wasted on cars. There's a whole industry like Carmax to take advantage of people who arent willing to do it themselves too.

Thanks, super excited to be done with it!  Yep, that's the plan, and I can't wait to get going ASAP with some index funds.  I already spoke with Vanguard and just need to pull the trigger once everything clears. 

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2013, 06:46:41 PM »
There's a whole industry like Carmax to take advantage of people who arent willing to do it themselves too.

Well, it could be argued that just about EVERY industry "takes advantage of people who aren't willing to do things themselves."

This is what Olivia meant ren.  You seem to love to wordsmith everybody.  Yes, I saw that quote too (and let it go).  Not the way I would have worded it either.  But in point of fact, CarMax is taking an advantage.  They are going to take (a financial) advantage of a sellers lack of initiative.  If they weren't, there would be no business model for them, would there?  I don't think they are ripping people off, but if one gets a third party involved the third party needs to make a profit.

So what is your point exactly?  I don't see it.  I mean, other than to sound obnoxious that is.


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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2013, 07:00:32 PM »
There's a whole industry like Carmax to take advantage of people who arent willing to do it themselves too.

Well, it could be argued that just about EVERY industry "takes advantage of people who aren't willing to do things themselves."

This is what Olivia meant ren.  You seem to love to wordsmith everybody.  Yes, I saw that quote too (and let it go).  Not the way I would have worded it either.  But in point of fact, CarMax is taking an advantage.  They are going to take (a financial) advantage of a sellers lack of initiative.  If they weren't, there would be no business model for them, would there?  I don't think they are ripping people off, but if one gets a third party involved the third party needs to make a profit.

So what is your point exactly?  I don't see it.  I mean, other than to sound obnoxious that is.

Ditto.  I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove, ren.  It seems like you come to MMM just to argue.  I don't think I've seen a constructive or helpful post from you yet.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2013, 07:05:09 PM »
This is what Olivia meant ren.  You seem to love to wordsmith everybody.  Yes, I saw that quote too (and let it go).  Not the way I would have worded it either.  But in point of fact, CarMax is taking an advantage.  They are going to take (a financial) advantage of a sellers lack of initiative.  If they weren't, there would be no business model for them, would there?  I don't think they are ripping people off, but if one gets a third party involved the third party needs to make a profit.

So what is your point exactly?  I don't see it.  I mean, other than to sound obnoxious that is.

Ditto.  I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove, ren.  It seems like you come to MMM just to argue.  I don't think I've seen a constructive or helpful post from you yet.

Good Lord, it's just a conversation. I shared a thought. You can ignore or absorb it however you want. Just please don't question my motives, and don't make these posts about me. And try not to read my posts while imagining me as some sort of Internet caricature.

Fair enough?
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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2013, 08:07:09 PM »
Carmax likes fabulous cars (mint condition, low miles, plenty of warranty left).  I sold them a 3-year old car in 2006 for a fabulous price and was delighted.  In 2008 I tried again with a car which I had purchased at Carmax and the offer sucked: I sold it on Craigslist in a couple weeks for $5000 more.  They claimed their offer was low because it was out of warranty. I pointed out it was out of warranty when they sold it to me (for under retail KBB) but they didn't care. 

Costs you nothing to get an offer from Carmax and it is good for 30 days or so.  Nice to know if someone offers you a low ball.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2013, 12:42:11 PM »
It's hit or miss. I just sold a car for $3200 more than CarMax had offered, but my previous car only sold (after much pain in the butt) for $200 more than they had offered. That said, there's lots of risk in buying a used car for resale, so they generally lowball (just like any dealer). Also, if the car isn't pretty new and clean, they're going to wholesale it rather than sell it themselves, which cuts into their margin.

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2013, 01:33:43 PM »
After convincing my husband to sell our (really his) 2007 Subaru Outback, I figured I'd check out what kind of price Carmax would offer us since there was one 10 minutes from my friend's house and I was already planning on visiting her.  I assumed the Carmax offer would be a bit low, but considering we were spending over $700/month for the privilege of having a car we barely drove, I thought taking a slightly lower offer could make sense since it was going to take a few weeks for us to get the car to my parents' house.

Kelley Blue Book is right at $11k, Carmax offered me $7k, and we just sold the car for $11k to a friend of my dad's!  I did pay $120 to have it washed and detailed and have the upholstery and the carpets cleaned.  It seriously looked brand new, which I think definitely helped us get full asking price.  That and the fact that the guy didn't negotiate AT ALL.  :P

I've heard here on MMM and elsewhere that sometimes Carmax makes good offers, but that obviously wasn't the case for us.  I'm sure it depends on the car and current inventory and such, but still-$4k less than private party value was pretty ridiculous.

So excited! This will allow us to pay off the remaining car loan ($7500), plus almost an entire credit card.  Not to mention the increase in cash flow EVERY month.  It's all going to go straight to debt and then savings once the debt is gone.

Hey you made the right choice in detailing the car. That will always get you 10%-20% more on the sale price. Works everytime I sell one! It's hard to walk away from a clean car, easy to run from a dirty one.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2013, 02:00:07 PM »
After convincing my husband to sell our (really his) 2007 Subaru Outback, I figured I'd check out what kind of price Carmax would offer us since there was one 10 minutes from my friend's house and I was already planning on visiting her.  I assumed the Carmax offer would be a bit low, but considering we were spending over $700/month for the privilege of having a car we barely drove, I thought taking a slightly lower offer could make sense since it was going to take a few weeks for us to get the car to my parents' house.

Kelley Blue Book is right at $11k, Carmax offered me $7k, and we just sold the car for $11k to a friend of my dad's!  I did pay $120 to have it washed and detailed and have the upholstery and the carpets cleaned.  It seriously looked brand new, which I think definitely helped us get full asking price.  That and the fact that the guy didn't negotiate AT ALL.  :P

I've heard here on MMM and elsewhere that sometimes Carmax makes good offers, but that obviously wasn't the case for us.  I'm sure it depends on the car and current inventory and such, but still-$4k less than private party value was pretty ridiculous.

So excited! This will allow us to pay off the remaining car loan ($7500), plus almost an entire credit card.  Not to mention the increase in cash flow EVERY month.  It's all going to go straight to debt and then savings once the debt is gone.

Hey you made the right choice in detailing the car. That will always get you 10%-20% more on the sale price. Works everytime I sell one! It's hard to walk away from a clean car, easy to run from a dirty one.

I believe it after seeing how good it looked!  This was our first time selling a non-beater car to someone other than my dad, and I would highly recommend detailing to anyone else selling a car.  The car didn't look bad, but it didn't look great, and even if I had spent several hours on it myself I'm sure it wouldn't have looked as good as it did. 

It's going to be signed over to the new owner tomorrow, and then I can finally cancel my insurance and wash my hands of it!  $700 extra a month, here I come!  :P

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2013, 07:17:53 AM »
It's hit or miss. I just sold a car for $3200 more than CarMax had offered, but my previous car only sold (after much pain in the butt) for $200 more than they had offered. That said, there's lots of risk in buying a used car for resale, so they generally lowball (just like any dealer). Also, if the car isn't pretty new and clean, they're going to wholesale it rather than sell it themselves, which cuts into their margin.

Glad you touched on the other side of this discussion. I have sold an embarrassing number of vehicles in the recent past. They all were sold out of the front yard, and typically Craigslist was the source of most of the traffic. Suggesting that CarMax was trying to rip anybody off, or that their business model preys on those not willing to make the effort, is pretty silly.  As the OP clearly understands, they are not in the business of retailing seven year old cars. They also offer free, legitimate appraisals. What is missing from the transaction is what was  the buyer's intent IF you accepted his offer? Does he have a list of reliable buyers that operate local, economy grade used car lots? Did he take a moment to look at this week's Manheim sales to determine what he will recover at auction, including the cost of sending a driver, and paying the fees to run it past the podium? Does the car fit his business model, and does he have room, and interest, in putting it on his lot?

 I recently approached several buyers about getting a quote on a heavy duty pickup I was selling. The average offer was $9K. I knew that it was WAY low based on what I could expect from a private sale. finally, I said, "hey, lets cut the B.S here, you are $4K BELOW Nada private sale, why?" The buyer then showed me the contact info. for the local car buyers he send cell phones pics to, and their offers. (mid to high $7K range) he also showed me the auction results from the week before, with similar sales figures.  Bottom line is that he would of made a few hundred bucks, to maybe a grand for a vehicle that he had no interest in putting on his lot. I sold the truck to a private party for $15K.   I'm nobody special, but I know how and where the buyers are for that particular rig. When I was talking to buyers, the truck was in Florida. It was a very heavy duty four wheel drive model.  I sold the thing in the mountains of rural Pa. where it's difficult to find clean units like that can be used for plowing snow, construction, or heavy towing.  Obviously, when you know all the details, it's clear in my case that that $9K was a legitimate offer, but it left way too much on the table.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2013, 02:39:25 PM »
Hey you made the right choice in detailing the car. That will always get you 10%-20% more on the sale price. Works everytime I sell one! It's hard to walk away from a clean car, easy to run from a dirty one.

I have a buddy that is a realtor, and I've looked at a lot of real estate in the past five years.  And it always shocks me when I walk into a six-digit property that is for sale that is not completely clean, tidy, and looking its best.  That's not to say every single flaw has to be addressed, but the basics all need to be in place.

When we sold our house in 2008 (2008!) it stayed on the market just six days, and we got close to the starting price.  I tell people the house actually took seven weeks to sell, because we spent six weeks (and 7K) getting it ready to show before we ever put a sign out front.  Half our stuff went into storage, every room that needed paint was painted, the things that needed to be fixed were fixed, new grass seed in the front, etc etc.  It was money and effort well spent.

The house we bought could have been shown a lot better, and our offer reflected that.  It had been on the market for about four months before we bought it.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2013, 12:20:53 PM »
Hey you made the right choice in detailing the car. That will always get you 10%-20% more on the sale price. Works everytime I sell one! It's hard to walk away from a clean car, easy to run from a dirty one.

I have a buddy that is a realtor, and I've looked at a lot of real estate in the past five years.  And it always shocks me when I walk into a six-digit property that is for sale that is not completely clean, tidy, and looking its best.  That's not to say every single flaw has to be addressed, but the basics all need to be in place.

When we sold our house in 2008 (2008!) it stayed on the market just six days, and we got close to the starting price.  I tell people the house actually took seven weeks to sell, because we spent six weeks (and 7K) getting it ready to show before we ever put a sign out front.  Half our stuff went into storage, every room that needed paint was painted, the things that needed to be fixed were fixed, new grass seed in the front, etc etc.  It was money and effort well spent.

The house we bought could have been shown a lot better, and our offer reflected that.  It had been on the market for about four months before we bought it.

Amen to that! We sold our home in 09, spent a month getting it ready and cleaning, and it sold the first day at the open house. Bam! We made a good amount on it too... it showed well. And our agent helped stage it. Presentation matters.

On the flip side, I got a killer deal on this Honda van because it was dirty, needed tires, wipers and a couple of other cosmetic things. The owner didn't present it well at all, so I lowballed him and got it. I now have it detailed and many miles later the value is about the same as what I bought it for.

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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2013, 12:57:20 PM »
I would bet there is a good business model for someone who makes themself available to people selling their homes - especially estate homes.  I live in an older neighborhood and when someone in their twilight years passes quite often the property - which usually needs TLC - is put on the market without that TLC.  And then it just sits or is eventually sold well under what the property could have fetched had it been presented properly.  I get that heirs may live far away or be entirely too busy (or unmotivated) to put hours and hours into a place, so it would seem that someone could offer those kinds of services, perhaps for a cut of the sale if the seller cannot spare the cash up front.  If that service exists locally in my area, it is not being marketed well.

 

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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2013, 01:45:38 PM »
I would bet there is a good business model for someone who makes themself available to people selling their homes - especially estate homes.  I live in an older neighborhood and when someone in their twilight years passes quite often the property - which usually needs TLC - is put on the market without that TLC.  And then it just sits or is eventually sold well under what the property could have fetched had it been presented properly.  I get that heirs may live far away or be entirely too busy (or unmotivated) to put hours and hours into a place, so it would seem that someone could offer those kinds of services, perhaps for a cut of the sale if the seller cannot spare the cash up front.  If that service exists locally in my area, it is not being marketed well.

 

I think it is more emotional than anything else, and selling that service would be kind of tough.  Would come off as kind of vulture like?





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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2013, 02:12:56 PM »
It would be a tough crack. Most would just call a maid service to tidy up just like they take the car to a detail shop.

There are staging companies that decorate to sell a house. I would guess many don't see the value in such an expense unless you are interested in the arts or whatnot.

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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2013, 04:22:35 PM »
I would bet there is a good business model for someone who makes themself available to people selling their homes - especially estate homes.  I live in an older neighborhood and when someone in their twilight years passes quite often the property - which usually needs TLC - is put on the market without that TLC.  And then it just sits or is eventually sold well under what the property could have fetched had it been presented properly.  I get that heirs may live far away or be entirely too busy (or unmotivated) to put hours and hours into a place, so it would seem that someone could offer those kinds of services, perhaps for a cut of the sale if the seller cannot spare the cash up front.  If that service exists locally in my area, it is not being marketed well.

 
  I was the executor when my mom passed in 2010. Her house was a rock solid American Four Square, with all brick and slate outside, and  had potential. The realtor was not thrilled about doing too much to the interior, it was in the middle of the housing depression, and she had quite enough of BSing clowns claiming to be flippers. She wanted to list the thing with hospital green walls, worn carpet, etc...... I had a family friend and long time real estate auctioneer take a look. Same thing, don't waste money on this, dump it quick and hope for $165K if you're lucky.   I stripped all the carpet out, then sent my hardwood guy to refinish all the exceptional narrow (1-1/2") oak floors in the first floor. I had the painter reshoot the whole interior in a very light brownish white, and then paint all the huge, flat trim in bright white.  I swapped all the electrical fixtures for craftsman style units from Lowe's. The final step was a through cleaning, and it sold in a few weeks for $204K.
Spent a total of less than $7K, got an additional $40K or so in added value, and cut the time on the market to less than a month. Had the place been marketed with the raggedy assed interior, it probably would of taken six months to a year to dump.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2013, 04:41:55 PM »
Exactly padded hat!

Recently, we helped sell my wife's uncle's home.  Cleaned, updated bathroom, painted basement walls, and professionally staged by SIL.  Multiple above price offer.  All the work over several months.  Closed in 6 weeks.

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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2013, 04:54:00 PM »
Wow, awesome return on investment on the houses!  We bought our house in 2009 and then listed it a year and a few months later when my husband got a great promotion.  The house was hideous when we bought it, not staged at all, and we were the only offer the seller got because we have good imaginations.  :P 

We painted the entire interior, built radiator boxes, built a fireplace insert (just for looks, fireplace was nonworking but was ugly) and staged it perfectly for photos and the open house and showings.  We sold it for a few thousand more than we paid for it and had 3 offers in the first couple of weeks.  The last one was for full price and it stuck.  (First 2 had financing fall through.)  His company paid all closing and moving costs so we ended up pretty much breaking even.  I know it wouldn't have sold nearly as quickly if we hadn't put so much work into it.

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Re: Sold Car For $4k More Than Carmax Offered
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2013, 05:39:00 PM »
I would bet there is a good business model for someone who makes themself available to people selling their homes - especially estate homes.  I live in an older neighborhood and when someone in their twilight years passes quite often the property - which usually needs TLC - is put on the market without that TLC.  And then it just sits or is eventually sold well under what the property could have fetched had it been presented properly.  I get that heirs may live far away or be entirely too busy (or unmotivated) to put hours and hours into a place, so it would seem that someone could offer those kinds of services, perhaps for a cut of the sale if the seller cannot spare the cash up front.  If that service exists locally in my area, it is not being marketed well.

 

I think it is more emotional than anything else, and selling that service would be kind of tough.  Would come off as kind of vulture like?

Perhaps, but if it was marketed Jerry Maguire style - help me help you - then I still think there would be a market.  "Hey seller, I know you don't have the time for this, but you will sell it faster and for a lot more than you put into it for X investment."

I'm just thinking out loud here, maybe it's not all that viable.  Just seems like those that do go to the effort fare so much better so there is an opportunity in there somewhere....

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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2013, 06:17:37 PM »
This is the first time I've read this thread, because it was just pointed out to me as another example of the forum Tone we've been discussing elsewhere.  Disappointing. 

This should be a thread for celebration, not argument (whatever the reasons that the OP was able to get that extra 4k).  So dropping all that stuff, let's get back to the positivity.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2013, 08:09:17 PM »
This is the first time I've read this thread, because it was just pointed out to me as another example of the forum Tone we've been discussing elsewhere.  Disappointing. 

This should be a thread for celebration, not argument (whatever the reasons that the OP was able to get that extra 4k).  So dropping all that stuff, let's get back to the positivity.

Congrats olivia!  Well done channeling your inner Hasslehoff.  :)

Thanks arebelspy!  My hair will never be as epic as his but I'll still channel my inner Hasslehoff.  :P 

And yeah, the tone you speak of is rather off putting, so I'm really glad you all are on top of it!

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« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2013, 04:29:34 PM »
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