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« on: March 11, 2022, 07:16:03 PM »
Hi all,

I understand that we have a mini-mustachian section, however this doesn’t have much to do with ‘cost’ and more of a general child raising question.

My wife and I had our first child 7 months ago (after well over 2 years of trying!). My wife was a stay-at-home-sig.other/wife for the 10 years we’ve been together (I’ve traveled/moved doing contract work all over, she’s came with me), so for her, going from stay at home wife to stay at home mom, has been a very enjoyable adjustment (she loves the company).

With that in mind, the other benefit to our lifestyle is no need/desire for daycare.

While all great, it does leave me with some concern for socializing for our young one until she starts any sort of formalized schooling. Since we move so much, we often don’t have a ton of close friends/family so pretty minimal socialization outside of mom/dad & baby. With Covid, it obviously has thrown even more of a wrench into things.

Now that Covid is slowly getting under control, I’m curious to thoughts about the ‘need’ for socialization at a young age, when we should really start focusing on it, and some activities?

I’m not sure if there’s any certain classes they could do together, if it’d be worth trying to enroll our daughter in daycare a couple days a week (at a certain age) simply for the socialization aspects? We live in a huge (yet boring) U.S. city, so general opportunities available.

Advice as we navigate this new journey is much appreciated!

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2022, 07:53:15 PM »
I really don't think formal socialization is necessary for an infant, but she could check out any parent/baby classes at your local community center and/or library to get your child used to the presence of other kids.  Or she could plan neighborhood meet-up's with other mom/baby pairs in the area via FB or Nextdoor?  I will say that I think it's a good idea to do some form of preschool when the kid is 3 or older, even if it's just 1-2 days a week -- I think that's when the benefits of being around other kids, learning to follow rules and take turns, etc. really come into play.  Kids who start kindergarten without any outside the home experience around other kids will likely have a tougher time, but there's all kinds of formal and informal ways to make that happen.

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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2022, 05:43:04 AM »
We did so many free social things when my kids were small! I lucked into a great playgroup by talking to another mom who was nursing her baby at the fabric store, and we went to every free kid event in the county. It was probably the most social I’ve been in my whole life.

Start with the library for story time.
Check meet up groups.
Just give out your number to people with kids the right age, because they also want someone to meet at the park.

And definitely look at your local parks and recreation stuff as the typically have plenty of preschool programming.

If you belong to a gym or the y, check to see what classes they have - tumbling? Family yoga? Art with toddlers?

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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2022, 06:23:08 AM »
I agree wholeheartedly with what others have mentioned (and I was/still am a SAHM/retired).  Even prior to preschool, there are playgroups for 2-year-olds a few days a week.  Well worth paying the money, if necessary, to have your child go a few days a week.  Story time at the library is also a great opportunity for your wife and child to meet others.  Your wife and child could start going to that now.  I'm sure there will be other moms there with infants under 1-year-old, as they might also be taking their toddlers for story time.  Possibly also check out if there are any MOPS groups in your area when your child is a little older, if that sounds interesting.  Local parks/playgrounds.

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2022, 06:26:18 AM »
At that age, it was more for my own sanity as a SAHM to find places to interact with others, to be able to talk about baby stuff as well as everything else going on in my life. Things like library storytime, joining the local kids' museum, going regularly to the park - these quickly added a welcome routine and connection.

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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2022, 07:45:04 AM »
It's only in the last three or four decades that it's become normal for kids to go to daycare, and that's because women are more likely to work outside the home.  Before that it would be entirely usual to have a full-time SAHM and children that got most of their socialisation from being with their siblings until they started kindergarten or school.

While your child is an "only" then an hour or two a week of "socialisation" would be plenty, and even then that's not really necessary until the child can move around under its own steam, which isn't really happening at 7 months.

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2022, 08:33:19 AM »
We're planning on having my husband stay at home when my maternity leave ends, so I've looked into this issue. Basically there's no socialization benefit (for the baby) until age 2.5-3 years old. They don't developmentally play or learn good social skills from other children until around 3. They learn social skills from their caretaker under 30 months.

I found this article a good summary of research on the pros and cons of different types of childcare at different ages. The author includes cites to the studies and research they discuss.

https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2022, 08:47:23 AM »
We're planning on having my husband stay at home when my maternity leave ends, so I've looked into this issue. Basically there's no socialization benefit (for the baby) until age 2.5-3 years old. They don't developmentally play or learn good social skills from other children until around 3. They learn social skills from their caretaker under 30 months.

I found this article a good summary of research on the pros and cons of different types of childcare at different ages. The author includes cites to the studies and research they discuss.

https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4

Thanks for sharing. We are past the age ranges he discusses but its am informativeread nonetheless.

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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2022, 01:41:21 PM »
We're planning on having my husband stay at home when my maternity leave ends, so I've looked into this issue. Basically there's no socialization benefit (for the baby) until age 2.5-3 years old. They don't developmentally play or learn good social skills from other children until around 3. They learn social skills from their caretaker under 30 months.

I found this article a good summary of research on the pros and cons of different types of childcare at different ages. The author includes cites to the studies and research they discuss.

https://criticalscience.medium.com/on-the-science-of-daycare-4d1ab4c2efb4

Thanks for sharing. We are past the age ranges he discusses but its am informativeread nonetheless.

Ditto. It's a very interesting read.

For OP: Congrats on your new babe! I agree with others that finding things like 2X weekly playgroups and library reading hours can be your best bet. Babies and toddlers like interacting with other babies and toddlers. And regularly haunting the same age-appropriate playgrounds and totlots will result in more organic, less formal get together. Depending on how active Meetup might be in your area, that can be a source to check out.

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Re: Socialization necessities/options for SAHM & Infant
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2022, 03:49:55 PM »
Congratulations on your newborn!  I second the other commenters, it's very early to be worried about socialization for your kiddo.  I would be more worried about making sure your wife is building a support network, though.  My mom was also a SAHM without close family, and few friends.  It lead her to lean on me (the child) for her social needs way more than was healthy for either of us.  This is one of those things that easily could feel "selfish" for a new mom to focus on, since it doesn't seem to directly benefit the baby.  But being able to demonstrate healthy adult friendships and being able to demonstrate prioritizing your own needs is actually super healthy for a child to witness growing up.

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2022, 09:04:41 AM »
Thanks all for the great advice. I agree that at her current age, likely not a ton of benefit yet. Still looking at options and it certainly couldn’t hurt.

@CodingHare - great feedback and something I don’t always remember regarding the social aspect for my wife. I work a very socialized stressful job (and I’m not a very social person). When I get home, I’m drained from both the workload, but especially the social aspect. In the meantime, my wife is typically home all day with just my daughter so strives for the interaction. We get along great and have a wonderful relationship, but that can make things a bit harder as well. Any of these socialization type groups could help provide some company for my wife as well.

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2022, 02:22:43 PM »
7 months is too young to need much socialization, but it's great that you're thinking about it now. When my oldest child was about 15 months old, I sent out a message to a university newsgroup asking if there were any parents interested in a playgroup/babysitting coop.  We got 7-8 responses for the playgroup, and 3 toddlers for the babysitting coop. We rotated hosting.  It was a little exhausting to host, but I really appreciated the free time and it saved us a lot of money on childcare.  Our children learned a lot from the socialization and eventually became friends.  I'm still friends with some of the parents even though we have all moved away. Though, you need to get a feeling for whether the other parents share values with you.

You could find and join a Facebook parents group local to you, or a place of worship,  or similar, to find a pool of families. We also went the playground several times a week and met families that way. Frankly, the socialization is as important for the parents too.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2022, 06:35:19 PM »
My MIL spent her career teaching kindergarten, and she said it take at most two weeks for the children who didn't go to preschool to learn the ropes and be indistinguishable from the children who did.

I would look for a free moms group that meets at the park.  At this age it's mostly for mom, but it's invaluable in a society where new moms are no longer surrounded by extended family to provide support and advice.  Sometimes community centers also run these kinds of groups.  Don't worry too much about weather, as once your wife chooses a group she likes she'll find they make alternative plans if the weather isn't favorable.  Libraries sometimes have tiny tot story hours.  I used to take my children to story hours at the local children's bookstore and independently owned toy store, as well.  If you attend a house of worship you may find programs for mothers and babies there as well, or your wife may start one.

You could use Meetup or other group websites, or just hang out at the park and see when parents of little ones are there.

I would totally save your money and skip the groups like Gymboree, Kindermusik, etc.  They prey on the insecurity of the parents and warn about socialization, etc. without anything to back it up.  Put the money in a college savings account and pat yourself on the back for being smart.

We homeschooled, so I heard the socialization questions and judgments nonstop for 19 years.  People think socialization only happens in same age groups, and in paid classes, at daycare and preschool, or in public or private school.  But socialization is interacting with the grocery store clerk, the librarian, the post office cashier, and anyone else you encounter.  It happens when you walk around the block and talk to neighbors.

Best option for the little one is a closely-spaced in age sibling, lol.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2022, 09:27:26 PM »
We really liked the local "babywearing" group (focus on slings and things to keep the baby close instead of strollers and such)

https://onyababy.com/blogs/go-anywhere/find-a-local-babywearing-group

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2022, 08:24:40 AM »
My MIL spent her career teaching kindergarten, and she said it take at most two weeks for the children who didn't go to preschool to learn the ropes and be indistinguishable from the children who did.

I would look for a free moms group that meets at the park.  At this age it's mostly for mom, but it's invaluable in a society where new moms are no longer surrounded by extended family to provide support and advice.  Sometimes community centers also run these kinds of groups.  Don't worry too much about weather, as once your wife chooses a group she likes she'll find they make alternative plans if the weather isn't favorable.  Libraries sometimes have tiny tot story hours.  I used to take my children to story hours at the local children's bookstore and independently owned toy store, as well.  If you attend a house of worship you may find programs for mothers and babies there as well, or your wife may start one.

You could use Meetup or other group websites, or just hang out at the park and see when parents of little ones are there.

I would totally save your money and skip the groups like Gymboree, Kindermusik, etc.  They prey on the insecurity of the parents and warn about socialization, etc. without anything to back it up.  Put the money in a college savings account and pat yourself on the back for being smart.

We homeschooled, so I heard the socialization questions and judgments nonstop for 19 years.  People think socialization only happens in same age groups, and in paid classes, at daycare and preschool, or in public or private school.  But socialization is interacting with the grocery store clerk, the librarian, the post office cashier, and anyone else you encounter.  It happens when you walk around the block and talk to neighbors.

Best option for the little one is a closely-spaced in age sibling, lol.

Agreed.  Having a strong support network is so, so important.  Having other adults to check in with helps when you are dealing with challenges with your kid.

Although I will note that homeschooling puts even more burden on the parents to get out of the house to find humans to talk to.  I was homeschooled K-12 and it was very isolating and caused me to struggle for years to make friendships with peers.  My mom had depression and was unable to leave the house for anything other than groceries for the entirety of my teen years.  I put that out there not to say "homeschooling is bad" (it works great for a lot of kids!) but to underscore that giving your kids social opportunities really is important.

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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2022, 08:28:43 AM »
Congratulations on your newborn!  I second the other commenters, it's very early to be worried about socialization for your kiddo.  I would be more worried about making sure your wife is building a support network, though.  My mom was also a SAHM without close family, and few friends.  It lead her to lean on me (the child) for her social needs way more than was healthy for either of us.  This is one of those things that easily could feel "selfish" for a new mom to focus on, since it doesn't seem to directly benefit the baby.  But being able to demonstrate healthy adult friendships and being able to demonstrate prioritizing your own needs is actually super healthy for a child to witness growing up.

This. I don't have kids, but my SIL and several friends do, and a baby-friendly social outlet was essential to their sanity. A few friends swear by the local MOPS group.

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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2022, 02:44:32 PM »


Agreed.  Having a strong support network is so, so important.  Having other adults to check in with helps when you are dealing with challenges with your kid.

Although I will note that homeschooling puts even more burden on the parents to get out of the house to find humans to talk to.  I was homeschooled K-12 and it was very isolating and caused me to struggle for years to make friendships with peers.  My mom had depression and was unable to leave the house for anything other than groceries for the entirety of my teen years.  I put that out there not to say "homeschooling is bad" (it works great for a lot of kids!) but to underscore that giving your kids social opportunities really is important.

I'm sorry to read that you weren't able to hang out with homeschool peers due to your mother's disabilities.  I do think the ability to get together with other homeschoolers should be a factor in the decision to homeschool, unless we're talking about a very large family where the kids have each other and who find opportunities to be social at places like church, 4-H, etc.  In that case it probably doesn't matter that they aren't connecting with other homeschoolers per se.

I left out the plethora of homeschooling groups as the OP has an infant, but we attended homeschooling groups from the time my oldest was two, and were warmly welcomed even though we didn't have a child of homeschooling age.  We formed a really tight group of families and in addition to our weekly park days we planned field trips and even did some cooperative learning.  When we hit the age the homeschooling groups tend to fall apart for the teens (because in our group my children were the only ones who chose NOT to go to high school), we were fortunate to meet new homeschoolers and form a homeschool high school MTB team that competed in NICA events (against school-based teams, which was fantastic).  This created even more social opportunity for our children.  I agree when you write "social opportunities" and not "socialization" -- by that point in time all of the kids were well-socialized and what they needed was the opportunity to hang out, to share goals, etc.  Just the other night one of the homeschool families from our team came over for a game night, despite the "kids" being in their 20s now.

My favorite groups when my children were little babies were the less structured MOMS (moms offering moms support) groups, not the church-based MOPS (mothers of preschoolers) groups.  MOPS usually separates the moms from the children and provides daycare so the moms can attend a program.  MOMS did outings where moms and children were together, and I learned a lot the first year I had a baby, in part by asking questions, but also just by observing more experienced moms with their babies and children.  There's a lot to be said for a mom who sees the rash around your baby's eyes and asks if you use fabric softener, which of course you do because your mom said you needed to, and you didn't think you could do anything about the rash because the pediatrician said it must be hay fever.  Sure enough, said baby's rash disappeared when we stopped with the fabric softener!

I won't lie -- I'm a huge proponent of children having an at home parent when finances are doable, so kudos to your wife for being willing to take on the role.  It's socially under appreciated if not completely scorned (women wasting their educations and brains, yada yada, as if raising the next generation of human beings is of no importance).  But I'm on the other side of it now, and no matter how hard it was and how tempting at times it would have been to outsource their care, I'm so glad we decided that having an at home parent would be worth the sacrifices -- sacrifices made chiefly by me, because I'm the one who left a career and stopped accumulating social security credits, etc. and I'm the one who society looked down on.

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2022, 04:24:41 AM »
As others have already said/implied, your baby will get socialization if your wife is able to socialize.  I was in a MOMS Club when my kid was a baby through age 5, and 10 years after that and many life changes later I'm still friends with the other playgroup moms.  Having that outlet was invaluable to me and great for my kid, even if she doesn't remember much from those days!

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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2022, 07:04:37 AM »
Maybe your midwife / obgyn / pediatrician has suggestions? Or the Receptionist at those offices?

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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2022, 04:05:54 PM »
It's only in the last three or four decades that it's become normal for kids to go to daycare, and that's because women are more likely to work outside the home.  Before that it would be entirely usual to have a full-time SAHM and children that got most of their socialisation from being with their siblings until they started kindergarten or school.

This is absolutely true.  But the other things that were very common in The Before Times were (i) large families, (ii) many other large families in the neighborhood, (iii) living near relatives, who often had large families of their own, (iv) lots of unsupervised time for kids to run around the neighborhood in packs, and (v) communal neighborhood mothering, based on whose yard the kids were in on a given day.  What you did not see very often was mom + one kid living in their own silo, with mom expected to provide full-time oversight for kid without any social support or time off.

No 7-month-old needs socialization; like others have mentioned, I wouldn't worry about that aspect until at least 2-3.  And some kids need more than others (my DD the social butterfly always had to be part of a pack, while my DS is much more content with a couple of close friends).  And "socialization" doesn't have to mean "preschool," either; parks, zoos, nature walks, and all that sort of thing can work as well.  But there is value in having some version of a pack or tribe -- not just for the kid, but for the mom. 

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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2022, 03:23:33 PM »
It's only in the last three or four decades that it's become normal for kids to go to daycare, and that's because women are more likely to work outside the home.  Before that it would be entirely usual to have a full-time SAHM and children that got most of their socialisation from being with their siblings until they started kindergarten or school.

This is absolutely true.  But the other things that were very common in The Before Times were (i) large families, (ii) many other large families in the neighborhood, (iii) living near relatives, who often had large families of their own, (iv) lots of unsupervised time for kids to run around the neighborhood in packs, and (v) communal neighborhood mothering, based on whose yard the kids were in on a given day.  What you did not see very often was mom + one kid living in their own silo, with mom expected to provide full-time oversight for kid without any social support or time off.

No 7-month-old needs socialization; like others have mentioned, I wouldn't worry about that aspect until at least 2-3.  And some kids need more than others (my DD the social butterfly always had to be part of a pack, while my DS is much more content with a couple of close friends).  And "socialization" doesn't have to mean "preschool," either; parks, zoos, nature walks, and all that sort of thing can work as well.  But there is value in having some version of a pack or tribe -- not just for the kid, but for the mom.

In addition to the other factors mentioned, in times when SAH mothering was the norm, there were other SAHM's to interact with.  My wife is from the deep south where it was super weird for women with children to work in the 80s and 90s, and she spent most of her time bouncing between her mom's friends houses while her mother hung out with her friends that had kids.  Like you mention, it was super unusual for her to just have a day where she just hung around the house alone with her mom.

As far as the socialization goes, we kept my son (aged 2.5 now, covid hit when he was 5 months old) in daycare during covid and the biggest thing I've noticed is that he's way ahead in terms of motor skills compared to the kids of friends who've kept their kids home, my guess is that its from watching slightly older kids do stuff--roll over, pull up, walk, run, etc.  Who knows if this "lead" will hold, but the three firstborn kids that stayed home I know took ~18 months to walk.  His speech is also way ahead the covid kids.  So while he might not really need "socialization", I think its really important for kids to see other kids. 

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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2022, 05:00:41 PM »
the biggest thing I've noticed is that he's way ahead in terms of motor skills compared to the kids of friends who've kept their kids home, my guess is that its from watching slightly older kids do stuff--roll over, pull up, walk, run, etc.  Who knows if this "lead" will hold, but the three firstborn kids that stayed home I know took ~18 months to walk.  His speech is also way ahead the covid kids.  So while he might not really need "socialization", I think its really important for kids to see other kids.

I wouldn't generalize.  My firstborn granddaughter is about 9 months old, crawling like mad, pulling herself up and standing steady.  I am sure she will be walking before she is 10 months.  It is so individual. 

DD (also a firstborn) crawled for what seemed like forever, then went from crawling and pulling herself up to running in one day.  Her walking was solid, her running took a few days to master.  I had better mat leave, DD was home for over a year before I had to go back to work full time and she went to daycare.  She got just as much physical activity with us as she did at daycare.  It depends a lot on the daycare, and then once they are at school it depends on what the school organizes at recess/lunch time.

DD was also very good at speech, she went from the standard 2 words (you know, me do) to a 7 word grammatically correct sentence.  We didn't talk baby talk to her, and we read a lot to her, so she had the language exposure.  Her daycare was bilingual so she was also gaining some fluency in French and liked watching children's shows in French.

So really, the environment matters a lot to the child's development, but that environment can be enriched in lots of ways.

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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2022, 06:21:24 PM »
DS is about a year old, since the weather is nice we try to get him to the playground between naps between 11a - 2p. During the week the same kids / parents / nanny’s are usually there so we have met some people with kids around the same age. Seems like a good place to be.