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« Reply #100 on: March 05, 2015, 03:00:43 PM »
are we gonna have the discussion about whether you have to have a PE to call yourself an engineer again?

I missed that one. FWIW, my former employer (giant A/E firm) created a policy stating that you weren't allowed to have the word "engineer" on your business card unless you were a PE. I have those letters after my name. I thought it was absurd.

PE is kind of a joke, but I guess it is necessary in a litigious society such as ours in the USA.

Yes and no. Does your ability to pass a test indicate that you are able to do actual work? Of course not. However, requiring people to demonstrate some level of competence before signing off on roads or buildings is a pretty decent idea. It also provides a straightforward way to handle people that royally fuck up, i.e. taking their license away.

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« Reply #101 on: March 05, 2015, 04:12:14 PM »
are we gonna have the discussion about whether you have to have a PE to call yourself an engineer again?

I missed that one. FWIW, my former employer (giant A/E firm) created a policy stating that you weren't allowed to have the word "engineer" on your business card unless you were a PE. I have those letters after my name. I thought it was absurd.

PE is kind of a joke, but I guess it is necessary in a litigious society such as ours in the USA.

Yes and no. Does your ability to pass a test indicate that you are able to do actual work? Of course not. However, requiring people to demonstrate some level of competence before signing off on roads or buildings is a pretty decent idea. It also provides a straightforward way to handle people that royally fuck up, i.e. taking their license away.

My current employer, small-ish consulting firm, has the same policy. All E.I.T.'s have the title of "Civil Designer" as a result.

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« Reply #102 on: March 05, 2015, 04:24:52 PM »
It was the same at my last company and had to do more with state laws where we practiced than a company policy.

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« Reply #103 on: March 05, 2015, 04:48:59 PM »
I never even really thought about/knew a PE license was available in my field (broadly, aerospace engineering). It's not required in my state.

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« Reply #104 on: March 05, 2015, 07:08:13 PM »
I missed that one. FWIW, my former employer (giant A/E firm) created a policy stating that you weren't allowed to have the word "engineer" on your business card unless you were a PE. I have those letters after my name. I thought it was absurd.

Some states have a law about it. You can't call yourself an "engineer" without a PE. To take the PE tests, you must have received an engineering degree from an accredited program.

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« Reply #105 on: March 05, 2015, 07:16:24 PM »
I missed that one. FWIW, my former employer (giant A/E firm) created a policy stating that you weren't allowed to have the word "engineer" on your business card unless you were a PE. I have those letters after my name. I thought it was absurd.

Some states have a law about it. You can't call yourself an "engineer" without a PE. To take the PE tests, you must have received an engineering degree from an accredited program.
and have a certain amount of experience that is certified by a currently licensed engineer.

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« Reply #106 on: March 05, 2015, 07:26:15 PM »
I think the spirit behind a PE license (Chartered Engineer in some parts of the world) is very worthwhile.  I certainly respect the idea of getting real world experience and having at least a few references so that you can  take the test.  Now, the test itself is a bit of a red herring, but I don't know of a better way to make it valid.  It used to be that you just submitted years of experience and references, and passed an 'on your honor to give honest answers' ethics test to get a PE.  That seems very outdated. 

I didn't mind the more modern but restrictive system of passing an 8 hour exam (showing a bit of proficiency, and just plain tenacity toward studying things you wouldn't normally need to know and putting up with a bit of bureaucracy).  But yeah, I have my PE, so maybe I'm biased.

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« Reply #107 on: March 05, 2015, 08:30:13 PM »
I missed that one. FWIW, my former employer (giant A/E firm) created a policy stating that you weren't allowed to have the word "engineer" on your business card unless you were a PE. I have those letters after my name. I thought it was absurd.

Some states have a law about it. You can't call yourself an "engineer" without a PE. To take the PE tests, you must have received an engineering degree from an accredited program.

Each state is different, obviously, but the regulations in the states where I've worked prohibit advertising your services as a "licensed professional" or "professional engineer" or some such phrasing. My position is that an unlicensed person may legally and ethically use a generic title of engineer if that's what their work is, as long as they do not use "PE" or "professional engineer". Cautious lawyers disagree.

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« Reply #108 on: March 05, 2015, 08:39:22 PM »
Mostly dirt and water. Dirt is usually an arrow on a piece of paper with a note that says "construct big hole in the ground". Usually there is a similar arrow nearby that says "construct big pile of dirt." Water is tricky because you need to make it go downhill somehow. Typically I do this with an arrow pointing down and a note that says "construct continuous downward slope". Pretty much sums it up.

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« Reply #109 on: March 05, 2015, 08:44:06 PM »
Don't forget to use the new cover sheet on your TPS reports.

I work on TPSs (Test Program Sets).

I'm an EE and have worked on a variety of avionics related hardware and software, often related to testing and repairing them (I work for the Navy). 

There's a (possibly apocryphal) story that one of the guys who wrote Office Space was a contractor for our organization and immortalized the TPS cover sheet as a result.

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« Reply #110 on: March 05, 2015, 09:18:14 PM »
In a perfect world these folks would get paid what the bankers and lawyers get paid. Maybe when the robots take over they will grant higher pay to the STEM folks. Kudos to all the engineers who make our world go.

Eh, what about the engineer lawyers?  No extra compensation for the additional opportunity cost?

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« Reply #111 on: March 05, 2015, 09:37:46 PM »
Biomedical Engineering PhD student. My undergrad was in ChemE. I work in tissue engineering and regenerative medicine - my grad research is on type 1 diabetes - transplanting cells and releasing factors from materials that tell the immune system to back off!

Whee PhD student! I'm a PhD student in electrical engineering myself.


As for the PE discussion...the only thing that I've heard about the PE is that only one person at an engineering firm actually has to have a PE license? Is that actually correct?

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« Reply #112 on: March 05, 2015, 11:07:01 PM »
I'm a licensed civil engineer. I earned that pe so yes I think it is valuable. Work for a small city improving and expanding the utilities. Water, sewer, stormwater, and streets.

I don't even use calculus, much less differential equations. I always considered those higher math classes to be filters to only prove that you could learn anything.

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« Reply #113 on: March 06, 2015, 01:53:02 AM »
How many of you calling yourselves an engineer actually have a professional engineer's license?
I don't even know what that is.

I'm a good old
Diplom Ingenieur (Dipl.-Ing.) from Germany. :p
Me also.
Studied mechanical engineering.
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« Reply #114 on: March 06, 2015, 06:09:51 AM »
As for the PE discussion...the only thing that I've heard about the PE is that only one person at an engineering firm actually has to have a PE license? Is that actually correct?

To be recognized by the state board as an engineering firm, that is technically correct. However, depending on the work being done, many others may need a license as well. I'm a licensed Civil PE and it is pretty much a requirement for my job. When I have a design getting permitted for construction, I have to sign and seal the work. If it is a design that required structural and electrical design, those PEs have to sign and seal their portions as well.

Whether or not an engineer has their PE is highly dependent on the industry in which they work.

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« Reply #115 on: March 06, 2015, 07:42:36 AM »
As for the PE discussion...the only thing that I've heard about the PE is that only one person at an engineering firm actually has to have a PE license? Is that actually correct?

To be recognized by the state board as an engineering firm, that is technically correct. However, depending on the work being done, many others may need a license as well. I'm a licensed Civil PE and it is pretty much a requirement for my job. When I have a design getting permitted for construction, I have to sign and seal the work. If it is a design that required structural and electrical design, those PEs have to sign and seal their portions as well.

Whether or not an engineer has their PE is highly dependent on the industry in which they work.

Gotcha.
In my field (electrical engineering) it's not really talked about so I'm assuming I won't need it. Guess I'll find out sooner or later.

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« Reply #116 on: March 06, 2015, 08:52:24 AM »
As for the PE discussion...the only thing that I've heard about the PE is that only one person at an engineering firm actually has to have a PE license? Is that actually correct?

To be recognized by the state board as an engineering firm, that is technically correct. However, depending on the work being done, many others may need a license as well. I'm a licensed Civil PE and it is pretty much a requirement for my job. When I have a design getting permitted for construction, I have to sign and seal the work. If it is a design that required structural and electrical design, those PEs have to sign and seal their portions as well.

Whether or not an engineer has their PE is highly dependent on the industry in which they work.

Gotcha.
In my field (electrical engineering) it's not really talked about so I'm assuming I won't need it. Guess I'll find out sooner or later.

If those around you aren't licensed, then I doubt it is needed.  Getting licensed requires jumping through a lot of hoops though so find out sooner rather than later if you aren't sure.

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« Reply #117 on: March 06, 2015, 08:59:39 AM »
Gotcha.
In my field (electrical engineering) it's not really talked about so I'm assuming I won't need it. Guess I'll find out sooner or later.

Not sure what kind of EE work you do, but generally an electrical design for a building or for utility work would need to done by a PE, but pretty much anything else an EE does would not. Each state has slightly different rules, of course.

On the other hand, the vast majority of work that a civil engineer like me does needs to be done by a licensed PE. However, as a PE I am allowed to stamp drawings that someone else has done, as long as it was done under my supervision, which is why technically a company only needs to have one licensed engineer.

I'm sure you'd know if it were expected of you. Preparing for the test, taking the test, and earning the license (and the customary bump in salary) tends to be a pretty big topic of conversation in offices where it is expected.

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« Reply #118 on: March 06, 2015, 09:49:12 AM »
Gotcha.
In my field (electrical engineering) it's not really talked about so I'm assuming I won't need it. Guess I'll find out sooner or later.

Not sure what kind of EE work you do, but generally an electrical design for a building or for utility work would need to done by a PE, but pretty much anything else an EE does would not. Each state has slightly different rules, of course.

On the other hand, the vast majority of work that a civil engineer like me does needs to be done by a licensed PE. However, as a PE I am allowed to stamp drawings that someone else has done, as long as it was done under my supervision, which is why technically a company only needs to have one licensed engineer.

I'm sure you'd know if it were expected of you. Preparing for the test, taking the test, and earning the license (and the customary bump in salary) tends to be a pretty big topic of conversation in offices where it is expected.

Yea I'm still in grad school but in undergrad as people were graduating nobody was talking about the PE. Also, I'm in theoretical telecommunications stuff at the moment so I'd be surprised if that require a PE out in industry

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« Reply #119 on: March 06, 2015, 10:15:38 AM »
Wait....so you need a PE to design a road but not an airplane? Really scratching my head on that one!


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« Reply #120 on: March 06, 2015, 10:36:00 AM »
Wait....so you need a PE to design a road but not an airplane? Really scratching my head on that one!

Well this has been voiced earlier but the idea of a PE license is good in theory but the standards for getting it aren't exactly rigorous.

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« Reply #121 on: March 06, 2015, 12:22:15 PM »
From what I understand civil engineering is the only type of engineer that really needs to be a PE. For other types of engineering it is less useful. Engineers designing consumer products would be the exception I think.

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« Reply #122 on: March 06, 2015, 01:53:53 PM »
Patent examiner - vehicle controls art

I read, search, and write all day. It is a great job and highly recommend it. Straight forward expectations, work always present, time off reduces work load, flexible schedules, and work from home. Especially for people that want to just do the work expected and not deal with office politics. Engineering felt like I always got shit on from everyone to dumb to fix problems, and Big Law was a good old boys club. An engineering degree is the only requirement for patent examiner.

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« Reply #123 on: March 06, 2015, 01:56:21 PM »
I'm an energy engineer/manager. Basically make buildings more energy efficient to save money and reduce GHG emissions.

I have a mechanical engineering degree and a PE.

Although the PE is just a resume builder.

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« Reply #124 on: March 06, 2015, 02:12:01 PM »
Wait....so you need a PE to design a road but not an airplane? Really scratching my head on that one!

Well this has been voiced earlier but the idea of a PE license is good in theory but the standards for getting it aren't exactly rigorous.

Yes, I am a civil so I understand. You didn't answer my question though.

Makes no sense that you need a PE to design a road but not an airplane.

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« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2015, 02:42:09 PM »
Wait....so you need a PE to design a road but not an airplane? Really scratching my head on that one!

Well this has been voiced earlier but the idea of a PE license is good in theory but the standards for getting it aren't exactly rigorous.

Yes, I am a civil so I understand. You didn't answer my question though.

Makes no sense that you need a PE to design a road but not an airplane.

I understood your question perfectly. What I am saying is that the standard for the PE isn't even that rigorous anyway so I doubt that anybody who has a PE license wouldn't already have the proper knowledge to build a proper road in the first place in the absence of PE requirements.

Also, there are more traffic accidents than accidents. Though many traffic accidents have nothing to do with the road design

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« Reply #126 on: March 06, 2015, 02:54:31 PM »
Reliability, Maintainability, and Safety Engineering of Space Flight Systems..   Love my job...  trying to figure out what I can do when I claim I'm not working in the industry any longer...

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« Reply #127 on: March 07, 2015, 10:13:21 AM »
I am a PE. Whether you are or aren't, you should be reading your (or other state's) various disciplinary hearings and injunctions against licensed professionals. Mostly small ($5-10k) fines related to lapsed licenses (and still using or stamping as a PE), but occasionally some interesting dirt. Opens your eyes to the ramifications, personally and professionally, of licensing and your responsibility.

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« Reply #128 on: March 07, 2015, 10:26:17 AM »
From what I understand civil engineering is the only type of engineer that really needs to be a PE. For other types of engineering it is less useful. Engineers designing consumer products would be the exception I think.

I'm a Mechanical Engineer in the consumer products world. A PE license is completely unnecessary and very rare -- the battery of tests you run new products through don't care what certifications you have. Products that require safety certifications have to be tested by independent agencies anyway, so there's generally nothing of legal importance for you to sign that would require a license.

Back to the topic, designing consumer products is pretty fun. I've done everything from handheld electronics to medical devices to toys. The downside is lots of long hours, travel, crazy schedules, and project attrition.
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« Reply #129 on: March 07, 2015, 12:18:47 PM »
I guess maybe I don't count as an engineer?

Graduated with a Mechanical Engineering degree 6 years ago and hired on at a manufacturing company, but went pretty quickly onto a management track. I'm QA manager at a small plant now.

I still consider myself an engineer though (I guess by education only? haha).

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« Reply #130 on: March 07, 2015, 07:20:19 PM »
I recall a joke in which scientists are amazed at the human body and trying to decide what kind of engineer god must be. They decide, not chemical, not mechanical, but a civil engineer must be god's expertise. Why? Because only a civil engineer would place recreation and sewage in the same zone. (or something to that effect.) 

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« Reply #131 on: March 07, 2015, 07:38:41 PM »
My better half is a principal systems engineer (background in EE - hardware/firmware stuff) and works in the defense industry. 

My knowledge of any specific information and details would result in my immediate death.  ;) 


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« Reply #132 on: March 09, 2015, 07:29:43 AM »
In a perfect world these folks would get paid what the bankers and lawyers get paid. Maybe when the robots take over they will grant higher pay to the STEM folks. Kudos to all the engineers who make our world go.

Eh, what about the engineer lawyers?  No extra compensation for the additional opportunity cost?

Engineer lawyer here. While income is about twice what it would be as as an engineer (civil/environmental) in good years, it is primarily attributable to the sheer amount of hours (over 3,000 hours worked last year) and skin in the game (partner as opposed to employee). Comparing my net worth to other engineers who graduated around the same time, after almost a decade of practicing law I have still not fully caught caught up to those engineers who played their cards right. Mind you, I have surpassed those that did fall into the spending trap. Not sure what will happen two decades out.

All in all, the opportunity cost and catch-up period was larger than I estimated as a naive early 20-something applying to law school. But it has been an exhilerating ride.


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« Reply #133 on: March 09, 2015, 08:25:05 AM »
I recall a joke in which scientists are amazed at the human body and trying to decide what kind of engineer god must be. They decide, not chemical, not mechanical, but a civil engineer must be god's expertise. Why? Because only a civil engineer would place recreation and sewage in the same zone. (or something to that effect.)

Because only a civil engineer would run a sewer line through a playground.

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« Reply #134 on: March 09, 2015, 03:41:13 PM »
How many of you calling yourselves an engineer actually have a professional engineer's license?
I have a chemical engineering degree, and I actually got my PE license in Virginia when I lived there and was still in the Navy, circa-1996.  And I passed the 8 hour test despite having sliced my hand open the day before, so had stitches in one hand and a throbbing other arm from a tetanus shot.

I've never used it, though. I maintained my license for about a decade after getting it (most of that time spent in California).

For the most part, the PE license isn't useful for Chem E.  I know there are other types of work that require them (more in construction type jobs).

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« Reply #135 on: March 24, 2015, 11:11:11 AM »

I understood your question perfectly. What I am saying is that the standard for the PE isn't even that rigorous anyway so I doubt that anybody who has a PE license wouldn't already have the proper knowledge to build a proper road in the first place in the absence of PE requirements.


Hey Johnny847,  this comment is a bit insulting to all the PE's out there. I would expect that passing the FE exam (I cant recall, 8 hours of very technical greuling test), then the PE (another 8hour test), plus attaining the years of documented / referenced (by another PE) experience is far more grueling than most licenses.   On par or more than the a CPA in my opinion.
anyway - I passed the FE, but the amount of work to get the PE was huge.

Why a PE?
You need a PE to sign off on drawings, provide consulting services (e.g. advertise your expertise as an engineer and have individuals pay for and rely on your opinion and work), or work as an engineer for most state / federal governments (which is why Civil is so common to be a PE, fyi, more employers demand it).

In Canada, nearly 50% of engineering grads obtain their P.Eng licensure.   in the USA it is far less.  The differences are due to how companies hire and the examination requirement differences.  In the US, more jobs are possible without the PE -- for example many "designers" or engineering grads are hired by consulting engineering companies, as long as their work is checked and signed off by an PE. 

Other companies simply do not create work that is related to public safety, and does not require certification / sign-off.  Manufacturers, for example, may send in their systems to another certifying agency, so do not need this license in-house, but still need the engineering talent to get there.

I have a friend (PE) who certifies robotics safety in the workplace, by reviewing their software and hardware controls... so some software / electrical licensure is required out there, beyond the power utilities and building systems.

PE's are also VERY useful for getting your work TN visa, to work between US /Canada / Mexico.   (TN is possible without it, but the approval process is clearly defined if you have it)

Also very helpful for foreign trained engineers who want to apply for jobs in the USA, as it proves USA- level education and engineering experience / qualifications.  Most hiring managers looking for engineers will not worry too much about an unknown school if you have your PE and US work experience.  Without it, you bet that they are asking themselves if a degree from the Phillipines is the same as a US school.

Anyway -- the PE designation is intended to protect the public, like a licensed Dentist or Chiropractor....  obviously there are many highly skilled engineering roles that do not impact public safety / trust.

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« Reply #136 on: March 24, 2015, 12:19:44 PM »
I design Storage area networks.

nothing special, a preschooler could do it.. but it pays good lol.

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« Reply #137 on: March 24, 2015, 04:22:41 PM »
I worked in semiconductor manufacturing for a long time.  Now I am working on test programs for chips.  You are probably using one right now.  :) 

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« Reply #138 on: March 24, 2015, 04:56:07 PM »
I have a PhD in engineering (aerospace) but am not a PE.  In fact, I don't believe I know any aerospace engineers (at least in the space industry) with PE certification.  It's certainly not common in the world of spacecraft orbits.

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« Reply #139 on: April 08, 2015, 07:12:08 PM »
I'm taking the PE next week.  Civil-Transportation.  I passed the FE after hardly studying at all.  But with a 10% raise on the line (!), This PE exam is seriously stressing me out...

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« Reply #140 on: April 09, 2015, 05:36:09 AM »
I'm taking the PE next week.  Civil-Transportation.  I passed the FE after hardly studying at all.  But with a 10% raise on the line (!), This PE exam is seriously stressing me out...

Good luck! A coworker of mine is also sitting next week. And although I definitely think you should study for it, I thought that the PE was insanely easy compared to the FE. (of course, without knowing my scores, that is hard to back up...)

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« Reply #141 on: April 09, 2015, 06:26:40 AM »

I understood your question perfectly. What I am saying is that the standard for the PE isn't even that rigorous anyway so I doubt that anybody who has a PE license wouldn't already have the proper knowledge to build a proper road in the first place in the absence of PE requirements.


Hey Johnny847,  this comment is a bit insulting to all the PE's out there. I would expect that passing the FE exam (I cant recall, 8 hours of very technical greuling test), then the PE (another 8hour test), plus attaining the years of documented / referenced (by another PE) experience is far more grueling than most licenses.   On par or more than the a CPA in my opinion.
anyway - I passed the FE, but the amount of work to get the PE was huge.

Why a PE?
You need a PE to sign off on drawings, provide consulting services (e.g. advertise your expertise as an engineer and have individuals pay for and rely on your opinion and work), or work as an engineer for most state / federal governments (which is why Civil is so common to be a PE, fyi, more employers demand it).

In Canada, nearly 50% of engineering grads obtain their P.Eng licensure.   in the USA it is far less.  The differences are due to how companies hire and the examination requirement differences.  In the US, more jobs are possible without the PE -- for example many "designers" or engineering grads are hired by consulting engineering companies, as long as their work is checked and signed off by an PE. 

Other companies simply do not create work that is related to public safety, and does not require certification / sign-off.  Manufacturers, for example, may send in their systems to another certifying agency, so do not need this license in-house, but still need the engineering talent to get there.

I have a friend (PE) who certifies robotics safety in the workplace, by reviewing their software and hardware controls... so some software / electrical licensure is required out there, beyond the power utilities and building systems.

PE's are also VERY useful for getting your work TN visa, to work between US /Canada / Mexico.   (TN is possible without it, but the approval process is clearly defined if you have it)

Also very helpful for foreign trained engineers who want to apply for jobs in the USA, as it proves USA- level education and engineering experience / qualifications.  Most hiring managers looking for engineers will not worry too much about an unknown school if you have your PE and US work experience.  Without it, you bet that they are asking themselves if a degree from the Phillipines is the same as a US school.

Anyway -- the PE designation is intended to protect the public, like a licensed Dentist or Chiropractor....  obviously there are many highly skilled engineering roles that do not impact public safety / trust.

STRETCH - Yawn.

I hear this rabble-trap about professional designations all the time. As an A. Sc.T, I have 2 P.Eng's working alongside me. One in a management role, one on my staff. I am in more or less a 'lead hand' role with a department of 5 staff answering to me. Of those 5 staff, one is a planner, 2 are CETs, One is a Dipl.T. and the aforementioned P.Eng. (I have the lowest professional designation, yet hold the leadership role)

We all work in the Transportation Engineering and Operations section of a large Toronto area Municipality. Our group is regularly called on to testify in court and defend the public interest. I get sued about every 2 months and called on to give statements monthly. I regularly comment on and sometimes quash development plans and applications where the public safety is at risk. We carry a lot of responsibility.

The P.Engs in our group remind me regularly that their designation should mean they get paid more than the rest of the staff in our group. After all PEO says they are worth more. Just one problem, one of them suffers from analysis paralysis and doesn't have the ability to choose the tuna roll off a sushi menu, and the other has no drive or desire and can't hit a deadline if I set it on a tee in front of him.

We use their stamps with regularity, but have about 200 other stamps at our disposal. One of them can't be sent to a trial because he has no judgement at all, and the other goes to trial but is so changeable in his opinion that we are at risk every time we send him. I see neither of these guys as any more valuable than the rest of our staff, and less valuable than our lowest paid hire - she has excellent judgement, drive and organization. And the planner we have working in an engineer's role is one of our best guys. Set him on the stand and he will testify with conviction, defend his position, and recognize the impact of his statements.

PEng is nothing to me. In the hiring process, its a 'nice to have' but there is a lot more I'm looking for in a candidate than the ability to leech off coworkers for years, then sit an exam. Anyone can do that. Judgement, drive, and organization are far more important in my field.

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Re: So many engineers here. So, what exactly do you ... engineer?
« Reply #142 on: April 09, 2015, 06:33:47 AM »
Combat engineer... My job is mobility, counter mobility, and security. Over the past ten years my jobs been mostly route clearance (mobility), though I've only been in three years and got stood down on my only chance to deploy. So I haven't done anything in real-world yet. At my last unit I was training as a light engineer focusing on area clearance (think minefields). At this unit we're heavy engineers, but I got stuck in the mailroom, which is a pretty sweet gig. Combat engineers in general don't usually build shit any more, but over the past year my job has strenuously required me to engineer some shit a total of three times using parachute cord :D Tax payer money... lol

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Re: So many engineers here. So, what exactly do you ... engineer?
« Reply #143 on: April 09, 2015, 01:14:43 PM »
I worked in semiconductor manufacturing for a long time.  Now I am working on test programs for chips.  You are probably using one right now.  :)

Hey!  I'm working on a test program for chips too!