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Should I make extra payment to my Student Loan or Mortgage?
« on: March 22, 2015, 11:43:53 PM »
Hi everybody!
Long time reader but first open post.
I have a scenario that I know may sound silly but I just want to hear your input.  I currently owe $130,000 in student loans at 4.5% that I currently pay $1500/month.  I also owe roughly $280,000 in the house that I currently live in where I pay $1500/month.  My federal tax bracket is 28% and given that I live in California, my marginal tax rate is 9.3%. I max out on my 401k at work and contribute to my Roth IRA via the Backdoor route.

I want to pay extra payment to the loans that I have.  The question is...which one? 

Should I make the extra payment to my student loans? The problem is that there is no tax deduction from the interest that I pay on my student loans due to my high income.  Or should I make the extra payment to my house?  Any help/advice is greatly appreciate it.  Thank you in advance for your help!




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Re: Should I make extra payment to my Student Loan or Mortgage?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2015, 11:57:47 PM »
The question is...which one? 
Which one is charging the higher after-tax interest rate?

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2015, 02:50:02 AM »
Agree with MDM sort of. Although it seems like the mortgage should be much lower than 4.5%. The would need to be over 6% (6%x37.3%=3.8% ish).

Another variable would be the possibility of forgiveness.

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Re: Should I make extra payment to my Student Loan or Mortgage?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2015, 09:14:39 AM »
Calculate the "net" interest rate you are paying on your mortgage after you deduct from your interest dollar cost the dollar tax reduction that you get by being able to declare the home interest deduction.  Compare that net interest rate to the rate you are paying on your student loan.  If it seems like there's enough of a difference to you, throw your money at the loan with the higher net interest rate.  If you feel it's a wash between the two, then throw your money at the one that would get paid off sooner with the added payments.

I hope that helps.

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Re: Should I make extra payment to my Student Loan or Mortgage?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2015, 09:18:53 AM »
Kill the student loan balance...I'd be doubling my SL payment to cut the pay-off time in half...

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2015, 09:33:30 AM »
How much equity do you have in the house? You could possibly do a cash re-fi which will pay down the student loan and will also allow you to claim that interest expense. You can also add a HELOC which will be able to bite into that SL and give you the interest deduction.

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Re: Should I make extra payment to my Student Loan or Mortgage?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2015, 09:48:36 AM »
thank you for all the response guys. I just want to clarify. I'm not eligible for loan forgiveness because i'm working for a for-profit organization.  Also my current mortgage rate is at 4.125% which is a bit lower than my student loan (4.5%)


The question is...which one? 
Which one is charging the higher after-tax interest rate?

Excuse my stupidity, but how do you calculate the after-tax interest rate? Last year, I paid $11,700 in interest rate for my mortgage and $9100 in interest rate for my student loans. I've been paying at least $2000 on my student loans the past 5-6 months now (which is $500-$1000 extra to my student loans).  So now i'm considering if I should continue to pay that high amount. 

Thanks
 

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Re: Should I make extra payment to my Student Loan or Mortgage?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2015, 10:41:54 AM »
Your mortgage interest is deductible if you itemize...which I'm sure you do based on the interest you paid last year.

Back in the day, when I itemized, I figured about a $1 rebate for every $3 paid in mortg. interest but I've got 3 kids and made much less than you...

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2015, 11:15:25 AM »
Excuse my stupidity, but how do you calculate the after-tax interest rate?

4.125% * 37.3% = ?

That's your after tax interest rate. I'm on a phone and can't do that math in my head. Somewhere near 2.7%. Prepay the SL

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2015, 12:20:18 PM »
Excuse my stupidity, but how do you calculate the after-tax interest rate?

4.125% * 37.3% = ?

That's your after tax interest rate. I'm on a phone and can't do that math in my head. Somewhere near 2.7%. Prepay the SL

1.54% per my calcualtor

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2015, 12:33:52 PM »
Q: "Should I make extra payment to my Student Loan (4.5%) or Mortgage (4.125% or 1.54% after tax)?"

A: Neither; invest the money instead. The stock market (on average) returns better than 4.5%, even in a taxable account.

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2015, 01:59:15 PM »
Also my current mortgage rate is at 4.125% which is a bit lower than my student loan (4.5%)

Last year, I paid $11,700 in interest rate for my mortgage and $9100 in interest rate for my student loans.

...how do you calculate the after-tax interest rate?
It's actually a little bit complex, but not too bad.  For mortgage interest, you need to know how much of your interest is being used for itemized deductions.  Then multiply your mortgage interest rate times "fraction of interest not used for itemized deductions plus 'fraction used for itemized deductions times (1 - marginal tax rate)'".

E.g., if your state income tax alone is $1000 less than the standard deduction for your federal return, and state tax and mortgage interest are your only itemized deductions, and you don't make so much that your itemized deductions are limited..., your after tax interest rate is
4.125% * (1000/11700 + 10700/11700*(1-0.373)) = 4.125% * .659 = 2.72%

The student loan calculation is similar.  Here you don't need to worry about the standard deduction (because SL interest is deducted on the first page of form 1040), but you do need to recognize the upper limit(s) on SL interest deduction: 1) you can't deduct any more than $2500/yr, and 2) if your income is too high you can't deduct any of it.  Again assuming your income is not too high, multiply your SL interest rate times "fraction of interest not used for deduction plus 'fraction used for deduction times (1 - marginal tax rate)'".

E.g., for the numbers given above, your after tax interest rate is
4.5% * ((9100-2500)/9100 + 2500/9100*(1-0.373)) = 4.5% * .898 = 4.04%

If the numbers here are accurate, then between the two it is clear that the SL should be paid before the mortgage.  Whether to prepay either, vs. invest, is the subject of much discussion....

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2015, 02:15:38 PM »
Also my current mortgage rate is at 4.125% which is a bit lower than my student loan (4.5%)

Last year, I paid $11,700 in interest rate for my mortgage and $9100 in interest rate for my student loans.

...how do you calculate the after-tax interest rate?
It's actually a little bit complex, but not too bad.  For mortgage interest, you need to know how much of your interest is being used for itemized deductions.  Then multiply your mortgage interest rate times "fraction of interest not used for itemized deductions plus 'fraction used for itemized deductions times (1 - marginal tax rate)'".

E.g., if your state income tax alone is $1000 less than the standard deduction for your federal return, and state tax and mortgage interest are your only itemized deductions, and you don't make so much that your itemized deductions are limited..., your after tax interest rate is
4.125% * (1000/11700 + 10700/11700*(1-0.373)) = 4.125% * .659 = 2.72%

The student loan calculation is similar.  Here you don't need to worry about the standard deduction (because SL interest is deducted on the first page of form 1040), but you do need to recognize the upper limit(s) on SL interest deduction: 1) you can't deduct any more than $2500/yr, and 2) if your income is too high you can't deduct any of it.  Again assuming your income is not too high, multiply your SL interest rate times "fraction of interest not used for deduction plus 'fraction used for deduction times (1 - marginal tax rate)'".

E.g., for the numbers given above, your after tax interest rate is
4.5% * ((9100-2500)/9100 + 2500/9100*(1-0.373)) = 4.5% * .898 = 4.04%

If the numbers here are accurate, then between the two it is clear that the SL should be paid before the mortgage.  Whether to prepay either, vs. invest, is the subject of much discussion....


The dilemma I'm facing is that my income is too high and I can't deduct much of my SL.

The main reason why I was paying an extra $500-$1000/month is to cut down on the principle amount. 

However, I've been thinking lately if that's a wise move considering that I can either 1] invest as mentioned by Jack, 2] put those extra $500-$1000/month into my mortgage instead, or 3] continue with what I'm doing which is to pay down on SL.


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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2015, 02:46:05 PM »
I can either 1] invest as mentioned by Jack, 2] put those extra $500-$1000/month into my mortgage instead, or 3] continue with what I'm doing which is to pay down on SL.
Why are you considering option 2?

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2015, 02:51:03 PM »
Excuse my stupidity, but how do you calculate the after-tax interest rate?

4.125% * 37.3% = ?

That's your after tax interest rate. I'm on a phone and can't do that math in my head. Somewhere near 2.7%. Prepay the SL

1.54% per my calcualtor

Sorry to sibley or anyone else for the confusion. It's 1-37.3% as MDM points out. My guess was close, but the fomula had a gross error.

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2015, 03:00:49 PM »
Download MDM's FIRE spreadsheet - you can play around with the extra amount you put into each loan (or invest) and see how it'll affect your time to retirement.

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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2015, 03:22:52 PM »
Download MDM's FIRE spreadsheet - you can play around with the extra amount you put into each loan (or invest) and see how it'll affect your time to retirement.

Where can I find MDM FIRE spreadsheet?

I can either 1] invest as mentioned by Jack, 2] put those extra $500-$1000/month into my mortgage instead, or 3] continue with what I'm doing which is to pay down on SL.
Why are you considering option 2?

Im considering Option 2 for tax purposes mainly for deduction. So you're thinking option 1 and 3 are the two best options i should go?

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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2015, 03:56:08 PM »
I can either 1] invest as mentioned by Jack, 2] put those extra $500-$1000/month into my mortgage instead, or 3] continue with what I'm doing which is to pay down on SL.
Why are you considering option 2?

Im considering Option 2 for tax purposes mainly for deduction. So you're thinking option 1 and 3 are the two best options i should go?

Option 2 will hurt your tax deductions. Paying extra produces less deductions.

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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2015, 04:01:15 PM »
Pay the student loan, I could not sleep at night with 130K of student loan hanging over my head.  The only way out of a student loan  is to pay it back or die, it will haunt you forever.  Student loans generally are not discharged under bankruptcy laws.    In the event you fall onto hard times they will pile penalties on your student loans, it could spiral out of control.  With a mortgage you can default and walk away with little worse than a tattered credit score.

No contest, I would make the student loans priority one!

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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2015, 07:10:12 PM »
Pay the student loan, I could not sleep at night with 130K of student loan hanging over my head.  The only way out of a student loan  is to pay it back or die, it will haunt you forever.

This is the real issue: which is more important to you, to do the thing that's mathematically optimal (in which case you should invest) or the thing that "feels" best (in which case you should pay down the student loans)?

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Where can I find MDM FIRE spreadsheet?
See here.

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I'm considering Option 2 for tax purposes mainly for deduction. So you're thinking option 1 and 3 are the two best options i should go?
If you aren't able to deduct any SL interest, then it seems your student loans are costing you the full 4.5%.  You'll have to do the math on the mortgage interest for your specific situation.  What do you get for the after-tax interest rates on the SL and mortgage?

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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2015, 08:40:06 PM »
Comparing after tax interest rates is the correct way to determine which is the better deal.  The formula Rate*(1-marginal tax rate) is the correct one.

Other considerations (you didn't say how much equity you had in the house):
1.  If you have negative equity in the house, you should prioritize getting positive equity.
2. If you have less than 20% equity in the house, you should put additional money towards the house.  Once you hit 20%, you can drop PMI, which will save you money.
3. As long as you have solid equity in the house, you will be protected from general shit happening.  You'll be in a position you can sell or rent your house if you lose a job or get a better job in a different city.  Good luck trying to sell or rent your college degree.

I would prioritize the student loans as long as #1 and #2 are not a factor.

 

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