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Scott Sub 10?
« on: July 30, 2013, 09:10:58 PM »
Sanity check, I was at REI yesterday this commuter bike caught my eye:

http://www.rei.com/product/842600/scott-sub-10-bike-2013

at $1300, it's not the cheapest bike in the store but I like the idea of a belt drive internal gear hub and disc brakes for wet riding.   

I've got an old CroMo steel road bike that I've been commuting on for 10+ years and I also use it for big rides on weekends.  Although it's not the fastest or lightest bike at 23lbs, it's been fine.  But I'm at a crossroads with it.  It needs a new rear wheel, new shifters, drivetrain etc.  I'm looking at around 500 bucks for decent components to bring it up to snuff.  The good steel bikes seem to fetch a decent price on ebay $300+
 
The Scott would give me lower maintenance, better stopping power in wet, inclimate weather as well as the option to mount a rack.  However, I currently use a backpack which is ok most of the time, it's 2 pounds heavier than my existing bike, would be more of a target for theft (when I ride it to places other than work), and we have 300+ days of sun here so inclimate weather is a relatively rare occurance. 

If I purchase a commuter specific bike, I'd probably also be looking for a dedicated (fancypants) recreational bike for longer rides.  Then that's more cash from the stash so I'm torn.  Part of me thinks a commuter bike should be crappy and I should just fix my bike up with mid range components and keep rollin.

Thoughts and opinions are much appreciated.


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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 12:19:22 AM »
The bike nerd in me says "cool bike!"

The frugal part of me says "buy cheap parts on craigslist/ebay and assemble a CX/29er for half that". 

I live in Denver too.  Buying a bicycle based on its performance in inclement weather here is a stretch, to say the least.

I'm not going to fault you for wanting better bike(s).  But this bike is too specialized to justify $1300.  If you want a commuter, get/build an ugly bike for cheap.  If you want a long distance road bike, build a nice road bike.

(On the topic of "silly bike specialization", this Bike Snob post really hit the nail on the head.  It won't be funny to anybody who isn't bike-obsessive, but I loved it.  Did you know you needed a gravel racing bike? Neither did I.)

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2013, 06:40:10 PM »
Of course the only response I get is also someone from Denver! Gotta love the CO...

I was hearing the siren call of the whisper quiet silent drivetrain.  But it's pretty tough to justify that price point on a commuter!

I think I kind of talked myself into just keeping my bike and riding it into the ground.  I think in the end, replacing stuff is almost always going to be cheaper and thus will allow me to put some money into a decent road bike.  Any recommendations on a decent replacement wheel?  I'm on my second and I went cheap last time with an 80$ REI replacement. I've had it 18 months give or take and it's broken a spoke, required truing several times and is pretty much shot.  It seems like there's cheap and then pretty expensive without a whole lot of single wheel options in between.  Anything below $100 seems to be essentially disposable. 

These actually seem like a good deal but super overkill for commuting. 
http://www.light-bicycle.com/carbon-38mm-wheel-road-bikes-700c-clincher.html
A single rear would be $300 (about the same price of a Mavic Equip)

Feel free to drop some wheel knowledge!  Hopefully this post isn't too specialized.

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 07:08:30 PM »
While a cool bike that seems to much for what it is.


I have a 07 Cannondale Prophet and it has alot of hard miles and while I have some friends that like to spend money on new bikes
every few years I am modding my bike as parts break.

Yeah those cheap rims are not going to last long.  I would keep checking bike sites like pricepoint jensen and since you are in denver area craigslist for some good deals for some wheels.

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2013, 07:44:05 PM »
Of course the only response I get is also someone from Denver! Gotta love the CO...

I was hearing the siren call of the whisper quiet silent drivetrain.  But it's pretty tough to justify that price point on a commuter!

I think I kind of talked myself into just keeping my bike and riding it into the ground.  I think in the end, replacing stuff is almost always going to be cheaper and thus will allow me to put some money into a decent road bike.  Any recommendations on a decent replacement wheel?  I'm on my second and I went cheap last time with an 80$ REI replacement. I've had it 18 months give or take and it's broken a spoke, required truing several times and is pretty much shot.  It seems like there's cheap and then pretty expensive without a whole lot of single wheel options in between.  Anything below $100 seems to be essentially disposable. 

These actually seem like a good deal but super overkill for commuting. 
http://www.light-bicycle.com/carbon-38mm-wheel-road-bikes-700c-clincher.html
A single rear would be $300 (about the same price of a Mavic Equip)

Feel free to drop some wheel knowledge!  Hopefully this post isn't too specialized.
are you a particularly heavy guy? bash wheels like crazy on rough terrain or curbs?  I've owned everything from cheapo Alex OEM wheels to Spinergy Stealths and I've never broken a spoke. 

if you have wheel strength problems for whatever reason, get an "old school" wheel with 32 or 36 spokes laced to a nice rim and hub, instead of one of the new factory-built Mavics or whatever.

I mostly just watch craigslist.  I also watch Pro's Closet on ebay, lower end wheel(sets) can go for really cheap on there and you can save on shipping by driving to Boulder to pick it up. 

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2013, 09:08:21 PM »
IMO that bike looks good for absolutely nothing besides cappuccino runs with your dentist friends. Not burly enough for serious gnar or heavy loads, not comfortable enough for any ride over 10 miles, too "look-at-me" to leave locked up... I could go on but I won't. And if you can't stop in the wet with rim brakes, you're doin' it wrong. Get some salmon pads and lube up your cables and pivots and you'll stop on a dime no matter the weather.

Fix up your beater on the cheap with used parts. Nice 9- or 8-speed stuff from 6+ years ago works great and is cheap if you actually need to replace your whole drivetrain. If you're just replacing bits here and there, get what you need but still buy used. Used for wheels too, although if you really want new wheels, Velomine has good wheels for cheap. Something like this would be killer for commuting.

Hell, if you really want to buy a bunch of new stuff, you could get a KICK ASS commuter and a jammin' speedmobile for half the price of the Scott if you talk the sellers down a bit.

23 lbs. is a plenty light bike, BTW. If you want to be lighter when you ride, don't carry so much stuff, or maybe don't eat breakfast.

ETA: Chain drives are pretty damn quiet too if you lube them every week or two. Takes literally 1 minute. And what is that bike less than 10 of? speeds? great selling point, there.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2013, 09:10:20 PM by Russ »

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 10:35:21 PM »
a jammin' speedmobile
a campy equipped bike? what sort of sick bastard are you?

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2013, 10:35:58 PM »
Veloswap is soonish.  be there when it opens with $500 in your wallet and build a bike.

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2013, 06:52:46 AM »
a jammin' speedmobile
a campy equipped bike? what sort of sick bastard are you?
Cyclists take pleasure in suffering (through the use of squirrely, overpriced, and technologically outdated shifty bits that are only still sold because they're "traditional!")

Still a good bike though. The frameset is worth almost that much alone.

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2013, 06:55:39 AM »
These are good thoughts guys.  Forget the Scott, I'll stick with my current bike for now.  Is it generally a good idea to buy used drivetrain parts?  I mean, the cassette, chain, and front rings and shifters are all parts that wear out plus they tend to wear together...   I've never been to Veloswap but I will check it out.  Are there generally pretty good deals there?  I just don't have a great feel for valuing used bicycle parts (especially wheels) so maybe it'd be a good idea to go with someone with an eye for the stuff.

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2013, 07:17:09 AM »
These are good thoughts guys.  Forget the Scott, I'll stick with my current bike for now.  Is it generally a good idea to buy used drivetrain parts?  I mean, the cassette, chain, and front rings and shifters are all parts that wear out plus they tend to wear together...   I've never been to Veloswap but I will check it out.  Are there generally pretty good deals there?  I just don't have a great feel for valuing used bicycle parts (especially wheels) so maybe it'd be a good idea to go with someone with an eye for the stuff.

Cassette and chain are usually best to buy new unless you can find somebody who's selling after only a little use. You can still get them cheap though, Tiagra/105 level is usually alright. Cassettes should not need replacing as often as the chain unless you wait forever, then you should do both at the same time. Hardly anyone wears out front rings, and then as long as they're not ramped and pinned you can just flip 'em around and have a whole new side (this is one of the things I like about 1x8/9/10's). Used is no problem there usually. Shifty things don't really wear out until they break. I mean I guess you could wear out derailleur pulleys over time, but they don't need to transfer any power so it doesn't matter if they're worn out or not, until your chain literally falls off. Just know what to look for basically. If you're looking at a chain, check wear with a ruler or fresh chain. If you're looking at gears, check the teeth for the "shark fin" look. Derailleurs and shifters, make sure everything moves smoothly and there's little slop.

Wheels should be true and evenly tensioned, the bearings should turn with no roughness or slop when clamped in a frame, and the rims shouldn't be worn too much from brake wear. Look for cracks near spoke holes in the hub and rim, and near the rim seam. Ask about the build history, e.g. has there ever been a broken spoke, what was done about it, etc. Breaking a spoke without rebuilding the wheel isn't a dealbreaker, but it is strike one if you don't know the situation surrounding the break.

Maybe you guys could have a MMM meetup at this thing? that would be cool and helpful. Although if you can't get anybody to go with you, keep an eye on Craigslist and eBay completed listings to get an idea of what used parts go for. Then factor in that they will go cheaper in person. There's your price. Beyond that, don't worry too much if you maybe overpay a little. A deal is a deal, even if it's not the absolute best deal you could have made.

Don't be afraid to walk away without whatever you wanted to buy. Don't buy a bunch of shit you don't need. Don't be afraid to ask questions, even of other dudes just walking around if you want a quick opinion.

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2013, 07:55:59 AM »
a jammin' speedmobile
a campy equipped bike? what sort of sick bastard are you?
Cyclists take pleasure in suffering (through the use of squirrely, overpriced, and technologically outdated shifty bits that are only still sold because they're "traditional!")

Still a good bike though. The frameset is worth almost that much alone.

Campagnolo 10 speed was a pretty good setup, and certainly wasn't outdated when it was the first 10 speed cassette to market (and it also offered multiple gear changes with one push of the lever on, I think, Chorus and up). I won't dispute that Campagnolo can be pricey, but any well-maintained setup I've ever had, from any manufacturer, has run well and reliably, and Campagnolo continues to be very active in leading tech development, and produces high-quality products across its lines.

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Re: Scott Sub 10?
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2013, 08:28:43 AM »
a jammin' speedmobile
a campy equipped bike? what sort of sick bastard are you?
Cyclists take pleasure in suffering (through the use of squirrely, overpriced, and technologically outdated shifty bits that are only still sold because they're "traditional!")

Still a good bike though. The frameset is worth almost that much alone.

Campagnolo 10 speed was a pretty good setup, and certainly wasn't outdated when it was the first 10 speed cassette to market (and it also offered multiple gear changes with one push of the lever on, I think, Chorus and up). I won't dispute that Campagnolo can be pricey, but any well-maintained setup I've ever had, from any manufacturer, has run well and reliably, and Campagnolo continues to be very active in leading tech development, and produces high-quality products across its lines.
I have nothing against Campy from a tech standpoint. But it's much harder to find cheap used parts for Campy setups than Shimano.

 

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