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halseyskates33

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Saving 50% now what?
« on: April 18, 2017, 06:06:16 AM »
I am saving 50% of my take home (40k gross). I go to school full time and have 82k in loans (6.8% gov fixed in deferment till Dec 2018). My living expenses are $1090/month. I do not have any other debt besides the student loans.

Key points
Yes I am looking for a new job
No, I am not quitting my MBA (only 2 classes to go)
No, my work will not pay for my MBA

I have no retirement thanks to dumb decisions in my younger years. My question is now, I have 6 months of an emergency fund (not cashing it out, financial peace of mind/emergencies). Should I split my second monthly check into retirement and paying off the loan? Do I keep savings? What are the percentages people use?

I don't want to throw everything at the loan and miss the potential for investing for retirement (I am 34). Thoughts??

Please consider before responding that despite having made some ill informed choices in the past I am doing my damn best to live a mustache (or close to it) lifestyle. I am not looking to be shamed, just for some help so I can make smart decisions. Thank you

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2017, 06:16:32 AM »
If you have access to a 401k with a match, contribute the maximum to get the match at the least. After this, it gets a little more subjective, especially since your loans are at 6.8%.  I would personally max out your 401k and Roth IRA before paying anything over the minimum balances.  Your student loan interest is tax deductible, making the 6.8% a little less than that.  The tax advantages of the 401k and IRA would provide a greater end benefit than paying off the student loan. 

After that, mathematically, it's still better to save in an after-tax fund if you think stock market history will repeat itself in the long run, but a guaranteed 6.8% is pretty darn good, so I'd pay off the Student Loan.

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2017, 06:27:11 AM »
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Get maximum match for 401k, max out Roth IRA.

After that it depends, you are in a low tax bracket, so the 401k is not saving you as much in taxes as a high earner. Personally I would pay the loan, after the debt is gone, make additional contributions to the 401k.

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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2017, 06:42:09 AM »
No face punches here! We all make decisions that in hindsight were... not that great. If we learn and do better in the future, we deserve kudos.

So, good job! I tend to lean toward the KISS method a lot of the time, I'd say put half of your second monthly check into 401k/Roth and half into paying off your student loans. For extra credit, re-evaluate in 6 months or a year, and if you feel more satisfaction from one versus the other (debt reduction vs. building savings), tip the balance toward the one that makes you happier.

And good luck leveraging your MBA into a higher-paying job!

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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2017, 07:13:31 AM »
I would see if you can get your loans down to a lower rate any way possible.

If not then I would invest in a 401k up to employer match limit if available.

If you can refinance to a sub 5% rate for the loan I would then probably work on maxing your pre-tax options before thinking about paying off the loans above minimum payments.

This link is always useful:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/investment-order/

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2017, 07:23:35 AM »
Re: Saving 50% now what?

-Put all of your effort into getting that high paying, post-MBA job ($100K+/yr)
-Keep living expenses low after you get said job ($1-2K/mo.)
-Use that cash firehose to pay off the debt/max out everything/invest in taxable account. In round numbers if you land a job making $120K ($10k/mo pre tax, probably $7-8K post tax) while living on $1K/mo you'll have free cash flow of $7K/mo to pay down debt & invest. 12 months to get rid of the debt, another 12-18 months to build your first $100K in NW then reassess.

Personally, I would probably kill the debt first given its 6.8% risk free.

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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2017, 07:52:01 AM »
First, congrats on a 50% savings rate on a $40K salary.  You have clearly righted the spending ship.

Second, what do you think your income is going to be once you graduate with the MBA?  And when you say loans in deferment, I assume there is no interest compounding while you are in school?

To me, some of the considerations are:

1.  401(k) and tIRA/Roth are use it or lose it annually -- if you don't max out in 2017, you can't make up the difference in future years.

2.  At $40K now with an MBA pending, you are likely at the lowest tax rates you will ever be in, at least until retirement.

3.  You owe significant $$ on loans, but [I assume] the interest begins to accumulate only when you have the [I assume significantly] higher salary to begin paying them back.  IOW, you have a 0% loan for the time being, which will morph into a 6.8% loan after graduation.  [If this is not true, and you are currently accumulating interest, it changes my advice]

4.  Because you are just really starting on savings, you will probably have 10-20 years in the workforce.  Ergo, the power of compounding, especially tax-free compounding, will benefit you more than someone who is say 5 years out from RE.

Given all of those things, for right now, I would recommend:

1.  401(k) up to the match (free money); and

2.  Roth IRA (assuming your current tax rate is close to 0%).  If there is still $ left to invest, then:

3.  Go back to 401(k) with any extra.

After graduation, assuming you find a job that doubles your income or so, I would then recommend:

1.  Continue to live on your current $1100/mo.

2.  Max out 401(k)

3.  Max out tIRA as long as it is deductible

4.  Throw everything else you possibly can at the loans to get out from under them ASAP.  Consider refinancing if you can get a significantly better interest rate.

5.  After the loans are paid off, then you can consider saving for a house or other improvements in your standard of living.

If the salary increase isn't sufficient to save this much, then I think it's ok to drop the tIRA to pay off the loans, at least if you can't refinance -- 6.8% is pretty darn high in the current interest rate environment.  But I wouldn't cut the 401(k) -- the money you invest now is going to have the best chance to compound the longest and make the biggest impact on your retirement 'stache in 15 years or so.


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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2017, 11:03:39 AM »
I hate to go all Suze Orman, but it always makes me a little nervous that student loans aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy.  I don't know if that changes the strategy, but it's something to keep in mind that those loans will follow no matter what happens. 

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 12:13:52 PM »
+1

Get maximum match for 401k, max out Roth IRA.

After that it depends, you are in a low tax bracket, so the 401k is not saving you as much in taxes as a high earner. Personally I would pay the loan, after the debt is gone, make additional contributions to the 401k.

Agree with this advice, only to add;  student loan debt is not dischargable in bankruptcy, you WILL pay it... eventually.  Since there is no guaranteed return of >5% anywhere, pay them off.

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 12:29:52 PM »
You may have to wait until your loans are in repayment, but if you sign up for automatic payments you can shave .25% of the interest rate. It helps a little for something so easy to do.

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 02:17:00 PM »
Agree with max out 401k. Keep expectations realistic about post-MBA salary. Journal about how you are living - when you earn more it will motivate you to keep saving and it will help you appreciate the amount you earn and save. I also think you need to come up with a reasonable reward for yourself for when you graduate and when you get the next job and when you pay off the loans. Should be small but something you would really like! You are doing great.

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2017, 06:19:52 PM »
I hate to go all Suze Orman, but it always makes me a little nervous that student loans aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy.  I don't know if that changes the strategy, but it's something to keep in mind that those loans will follow no matter what happens.


There is a reason why Student Loan debt is not dischargable in BK.....and that reason is because so very many people would go that route that student loans themselves would cease to exist as a product.

Can you think of any riskier loan to make than one made to 18-22 year olds with zero credit history and zero collateral? 

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2017, 06:35:46 PM »
I hate to go all Suze Orman, but it always makes me a little nervous that student loans aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy.  I don't know if that changes the strategy, but it's something to keep in mind that those loans will follow no matter what happens.


There is a reason why Student Loan debt is not dischargable in BK.....and that reason is because so very many people would go that route that student loans themselves would cease to exist as a product.

Can you think of any riskier loan to make than one made to 18-22 year olds with zero credit history and zero collateral?

Many of the loans are backed by the federal gov't, "subsidized" rates as well.  No bank in their right mind would make these loans if they weren't, dischargable or not. If these loans weren't available to the level they are now, higher education would have to be made affordable again, like 20 years ago.  The private universities would make deals with their students.  Along with health care this semi-private/public hybrid of a system is a nightmare of our own creation. 

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2017, 11:56:25 PM »
Pay off the loans it's guaranteed to save you a ton of money and stress in the long run. Life is funny sometimes, and you never know what the future holds, but at least by paying these loans off, should catastrophe strike you'll be in a better position to weather the storm. I paid mine off about 2 years after I graduated and I was over six figures in debt around 6.5% interest on several of them. The best goal to aim for in the next several years would be to consistently keep socking away fifty percent if you can also and get your fixed monthly expenditures as low as possible. That will put you in a prime position for early retirement.

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 09:31:30 AM »
I would throw all of the leftover money at the end of the month to the loans. You're paying almost 7%. That is almost $500/month in interest alone. Screw saving for retirement, you need to become debt free FIRST. Unless you are a great stock picker you'll probably not average more than 7-8% over your retirement timeline. You're getting a guaranteed 6.8% return here.

Also you need to increase your income. $40k isn't that much, especially for a college educated mid-30's person.

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 10:45:45 AM »
I hate to go all Suze Orman, but it always makes me a little nervous that student loans aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy.  I don't know if that changes the strategy, but it's something to keep in mind that those loans will follow no matter what happens.


There is a reason why Student Loan debt is not dischargable in BK.....and that reason is because so very many people would go that route that student loans themselves would cease to exist as a product.

Can you think of any riskier loan to make than one made to 18-22 year olds with zero credit history and zero collateral?

Many of the loans are backed by the federal gov't, "subsidized" rates as well.  No bank in their right mind would make these loans if they weren't, dischargable or not. If these loans weren't available to the level they are now, higher education would have to be made affordable again, like 20 years ago.  The private universities would make deals with their students.  Along with health care this semi-private/public hybrid of a system is a nightmare of our own creation.

I was more just making a statement of fact more than making a value judgment on whether the system is a good thing or a bad thing.  If you pay the minimum on the loans, you run a risk of loans permanently over your head in the event of financial issues.   Plus you're not going to get 6.8% anywhere else right now, maybe even after you take taxes into account.   

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 12:33:15 PM »
At your current income I wouldn't bother with 401k above match level, especially if you expect your income to rise you can invest in your 401 k later.

I would max out HSA and  ROTH IRA for sure, and then put the rest towards loans.

The other thing to look at is a Roth 401k, if your work gives you access to that it may be better than paying off loans - depends on your stance in never ending debate between debt and investing.

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 12:38:23 PM »
I agree with the above - focus all your effort on getting a high paying job, get your savings to 70% and retire in a few years.  Bam, done.

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2017, 04:38:45 PM »
6.8% is pretty high & those loans are accruing interest even though they're in deferment. You should definitely try to refinance those through Sofi or something like that. You should be able to get 5% or lower  which at your current amount is >$10K in interest savings. You should get the match on your 401K, but then pay off your loans for a guaranteed return. Even if all goes well and you land a high paying job - that just means you're not eligible really for income based repayment & then you have a $900/monthly payment hanging over your head.

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Re: Saving 50% now what?
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 05:41:30 PM »
Good advice so far.  Will pile on with 'it is good to build proper habits.'

Following that, i would get into both the habit of investing and of paying down the debt.  The percentages dont matter as much, once tax benefits of ROTH and 401K are exploited, as debt repayment and taxible market returns are likely to be similar, long term.  Both are good choices.