Author Topic: Can you help me like flying more? ;) Family is spread out around the world.  (Read 3083 times)

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Has anyone ever gone from an extreme fear of flying to actually liking it and doing it often... maybe even looking forward to it???

I've ended up in a situation where I live on the west coast of Canada, I have a sweet set up of a house and my own 1 man handyman business and make decent $ and tons of flexibility, work about 2.5 days a week.

But, I'm originally from England and most of my family and old friends are there, also aging father.

My daughter and my 2 grandkids moved to the east coast and may be moving to L.A in the next few years.

Also I love 4 seasons but winter goes on a bit too long for me here.

I went back to England for a holiday last year and I had an enjoyable time.  Also went to see the kids on the east coast a couple of years back and enjoyed that as well.

Have made lots of friends here that have since moved back to Japan and would like to go there and travel around.



A funny thing happened last week where one of the Japanese people I know came back to Vancouver after being here for a year about 5 years ago.

Anyway after being here for about 3 weeks, she got a headache and tight shoulders, so rather than see a doctor here... she flew all the way back to Japan for 3 days!  Just to see the doctor there!  Turned out it was tight shoulders and headache from stress.. who'd a thought it ;)

At first I thought she was nuts to do that, but then I thought how if I was the kind of person who would/could do that (fly so casually)  how it would really enhance my life.

At the moment I'm like the opposite of my friend... that is that I treat flying like it's some dangerous flight on a rocket ship  where I'll leave and perhaps never return, it's something to think about for months before actually getting around to doing it. I marvel at flight attendants and pilots risking their lives daily.  Yet statistically as a construction worker I'm working in a more dangerous job.

As a result of this way of looking at flying I'm missing out and have definitely missed out on some enjoyable times.

For example; I see my grandkids growing up on social media.... think about how it's been a while since I've seen them face to face.... feel continuously slightly melancholic.... same when I think of England and family and friends there.

Yet realistically I live 30 minutes from the airport, it takes less than 5 hours to fly to Toronto, just under 9 to fly to Manchester U.K.   It's not difficult for me to schedule time off from my work, and I can easily work an extra 4 days in a month to finance a trip.

I've taken a mini course on overcoming fear of flying a few years back and that's really helped.  I'd say my fear of flying went from about a 9 to a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10. Which has really helped.

If I can get to a stage where I'd jump on a plane and go to see the kids on the east coast for the long weekend say 2 or 3 x a year and jet back to the UK 1x + a winter sun holiday... that would be quite a lot of flying, but then again about as much as a flight attendant does in a week.

If I take the flying and fear of it out of the equation I'd say it would be enough of seeing people that I care about and are important in my life so as not to feel like I'm missing/have missed out on their and my lives.




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One simple approach which some relatives use is to take Xanax before traveling. It seems to be save in small doses and helps overcome anxiety.

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I have taken ativan before, which is similar.  It does take the edge off, if I have a beer too then I'm off to sleep.

When I did the 1 day course on overcoming fear of flying, it really helped as I could see just how planes fly and how the whole process is checked, then checked again for safety.

Just to know what turbulence is and to know what the wing flaps are doing etc.. helped me to.

I see on Groupon where I live, that you can take flying lessons. I thought about doing that to help to know just how things work.

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As a former frequent flyer, I'd suggest a set of noise canceling headphones.
The engine/air noise causes a lot of sub-conscious stress.  The noise canceling headphones get me to my destination refreshed, as opposed to wrung- out tired.

My discomfort flying mostly relates to making sure I get on the plane and transfers.

If seeing how things works helps, then oddly enough Air Disasters  by Macarthur Job https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/698201.Macarthur_Job might help.  It digs down to root causes and shows how the flaws have been fixed.

Spoiler: show
Sitting a strong 12 year old in the captains seat of a widebody jetliner in flight is a bad idea.
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I hate flying. I feel like I’m falling the whole time. And it’s terrible for the environment.

Ativan is good stuff.

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I used to love flying and then was in a horrible situation where the stewardess actually said we were going to die. I now take Xanax and am fine. 

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As a former frequent flyer, I'd suggest a set of noise canceling headphones.


This is a great suggestion. Noise canceling headphones greatly reduce fatigue on long flights. I recently flew on the Singapore Airlines nonstop to Newark (18 hours flying time!). I was able to sleep very well on the flight thanks to my Bose noise-canceling headphones.

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I hate flying. I feel like I’m falling the whole time. And it’s terrible for the environment.

Ativan is good stuff.

Today I listened to a podcast that compared the CO2 footprint of flying with driving, taking a cruise ship, a train or a buss or walk. Flying was really not that bad, presuming the plane does actually flies a bit and not just takes off and lands. Train was by far the best option and a cruise ship by far the worst choice. For one person, taking a car or a plane is about equal. Electric cars running on clean energy as doing better than planes. Walking the distance is only profitable for the environment, compared to flying if you eat vegetarian/vegan.

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Husband has/had a fear of flying, heights in general, and motion sickness. It is a real trifecta of crappiness for air travel. He now has to fly frequently for work. For him part of it was combating the individual things and making the parts he can control as easy/smooth as possible. He takes a motion sickness pill and tries to sit toward the front of the plane (less bumpy helps not only the motion sickness but also lessens the, "OMG something is WRONG" feeling he'd get from even the most minor bumps). He gets an aisle seat if at all possible, asks (politely) to switch if not, and if at the window keeps the shade down (it's really better if he can't see how high he is or that the plane wing is shaking ever so slightly). He also has a noise canceling headphones which has made everything about flying better, makes sure he has media downloaded that will hold his attention, and this year was able to get his job to cover TSA pre-check. This has helped by just making everything feel smoother about the process of getting through security, keeping him more relaxed.

The other thing for him has just been exposure. When you fly all the time, it starts to feel routine even if it still makes you nervous. On a side note, I think at this point he has had enough terrible things happen on his flights (think: plane struck by lightening, plane blown off a runway attempting to land, poor soul passed away from a heart attack while seated directly in front of him, emergency diversion/landing due to heart attack, the list goes on.) that his attitude has just switched too: "well I've survived everything flying has thrown at me so far..."

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The other thing for him has just been exposure. When you fly all the time, it starts to feel routine even if it still makes you nervous. On a side note, I think at this point he has had enough terrible things happen on his flights (think: plane struck by lightening, plane blown off a runway attempting to land, poor soul passed away from a heart attack while seated directly in front of him, emergency diversion/landing due to heart attack, the list goes on.) that his attitude has just switched too: "well I've survived everything flying has thrown at me so far..."

I know what you mean about exposure.
When I haven't flown for a while I get all nervous about it. But if I do a few flights close together, by about the 3rd flight I become much less anxious about it.
Just got to do it I guess.

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OP, I would highly recommend the book "Soar: The Breakthrough Treatment For Fear Of Flying" by Tom Bunn.

I'm an anxious flyer and the book helped me as much as any other remedy I have tried.

The book is by a former pilot and in general broken into 2 parts: 1) How flying works 2) The psychological aspect experienced during a flight.

The former, as you mentioned, is helpful from a rational, logical standpoint. But the latter is probably more important. In short, the amygdala in your brain fires a stress reaction when it identifies non-routine situations. In flying, there are many non-routine situations (noises, bumps, etc.) for an infrequent flyer. A healthy executive function in the prefrontal cortex is supposed to examine the non-routine situation, recognize it as a non-threat, and therefore reduce/eliminate the anxiety/panic feeling the amygdala sent up as a signal.

I believe anxious fliers have hyperactive amygdalas, and they are probably hardwired in our brains, but we can manage it by learning.

Flying is really a psychological thing with yourself more than a legitimately dangerous situation.

Good luck to all anxious fliers, it isn't fun but we got this!

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I think my plan is;

1. Don't leave it too long between flights. Maybe 3 to 8 months between trips.
2. Noise cancelling headphones.
3. Some kind of pill from the doctor, ativan or similar. Maybe don't even take it, but have it anyway in case of mini freak outs.
4. Carry on reading up and educating self on how commercial planes are safe and how air safety is checked, checked again and triple checked.
5. Be a realist and check out which airlines have the best safety record. Which planes have the safest record and fly those airlines/planes.
6. Be OK with feeling a bit fearful but doing it anyway as the 'why' I want to fly is worth it.

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OP, I would highly recommend the book "Soar: The Breakthrough Treatment For Fear Of Flying" by Tom Bunn.

I'm an anxious flyer and the book helped me as much as any other remedy I have tried.

The book is by a former pilot and in general broken into 2 parts: 1) How flying works 2) The psychological aspect experienced during a flight.

The former, as you mentioned, is helpful from a rational, logical standpoint. But the latter is probably more important. In short, the amygdala in your brain fires a stress reaction when it identifies non-routine situations. In flying, there are many non-routine situations (noises, bumps, etc.) for an infrequent flyer. A healthy executive function in the prefrontal cortex is supposed to examine the non-routine situation, recognize it as a non-threat, and therefore reduce/eliminate the anxiety/panic feeling the amygdala sent up as a signal.

I believe anxious fliers have hyperactive amygdalas, and they are probably hardwired in our brains, but we can manage it by learning.

Flying is really a psychological thing with yourself more than a legitimately dangerous situation.

Good luck to all anxious fliers, it isn't fun but we got this!


Thanks deeshen 13, I'll definitely take a look at that book.

Talking about amygdalas, it probably is a large part of the reason why flying made me feel the way that it does. I've been told a couple of doc's that I likely have ptsd.
I'll take a look!

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Trust the math. If one believes the math behind FIRE one should defiantly trust the math behind the safety of flying on a commercial flight. The math is way more solid.

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pudding,

Anxiousness toward flying is actually very common. As an airline pilot by profession I often speak to passengers needing reassurance and expressing uncertainty and lack of knowledge of some of the technical aspects of flying and needing contextualization of previous negative experiences.

Knowing that flying is statistically by far the safest form of travel sometimes provide little reassurance on a psychological level. I believe a big part of it is the lack of control when flying as a passenger and being out of the loop of what's happening to the aircraft and in the environment at any given time.

There are a lot of good tips in the previous posts. What I can offer is that as professional pilots we operate in the most regulated environment of any industry in the world and that your safety as a passenger is taken VERY seriously. Our safety record as an industry is testament to that.

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Make them come to you.

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Highly recommend this book - which helped me get over a fear of flying (and I lived in Hawaii at the time - if  ever wanted to leave there was really only one way to do it). I've recommended it to a few people who also said that it helped them.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/the-fearless-fliers-handbook-debbie-seaman/1111619044/2695077760056?st=PLA&sid=BNB_ADL+Marketplace+Generic+Used+Books+-+Desktop+Medium&sourceId=PLAGoNA&dpid=tdtve346c&2sid=Google_c&gclid=CjwKCAjwsIbpBRBNEiwAZF8-zzS0ufdm10iwnmA7KssugolcDZii1nBcxGL5Z7qDRy4KPJM9GHyn4BoCF2cQAvD_BwE

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I know this is the MMM forum but I would suggest throwing money at the problem (sacrilege!) If you're that nervous doing things like flying direct at a time of day that works for you is worth it. As is whatever snacks, or drinks or new novels or other distractions may make the time easier.  Don't be me on the 3 stop gets in at midnight but is cheaper flight.

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I know this is the MMM forum but I would suggest throwing money at the problem (sacrilege!) If you're that nervous doing things like flying direct at a time of day that works for you is worth it. As is whatever snacks, or drinks or new novels or other distractions may make the time easier.  Don't be me on the 3 stop gets in at midnight but is cheaper flight.

Im with you on that!

I want a direct flight at a time of day that's convenient, and with an airline that has great reviews.

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Highly recommend this book - which helped me get over a fear of flying (and I lived in Hawaii at the time - if  ever wanted to leave there was really only one way to do it). I've recommended it to a few people who also said that it helped them. ......snip...

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Xanax really works.  I take 1/2 a pill at home before leaving for the airport, and 1/2 after getting to my seat on the plane if needed.  I have occasionally taken 1/2 the night before if I'm feeling anxious.

In 2006 I flew 12 times in one year.  My fear was much lower after that.  I used to be really bothered by turbulence.  I took off from Scranton in a thunderstorm, and we were bouncing up and down a lot, and I was really scared.  The woman across the aisle said, "This is nothing.  I took off from New Orleans in a hurricane."  It really eased my mind.  Now, I just think of turbulence as potholes in the sky.  Driving in Michigan is much bumpier than any plane I've ever been on.

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Xanax really works.  I take 1/2 a pill at home before leaving for the airport, and 1/2 after getting to my seat on the plane if needed.  I have occasionally taken 1/2 the night before if I'm feeling anxious.

In 2006 I flew 12 times in one year.  My fear was much lower after that.  I used to be really bothered by turbulence.  I took off from Scranton in a thunderstorm, and we were bouncing up and down a lot, and I was really scared.  The woman across the aisle said, "This is nothing.  I took off from New Orleans in a hurricane."  It really eased my mind.  Now, I just think of turbulence as potholes in the sky.  Driving in Michigan is much bumpier than any plane I've ever been on.

Avoiding or at least thoroughly researching certain airports might help.

Scranton was surprising to me as I thought we had 500 ft altitude, and then bump, we are on the ground. It is situated on a hilltop. Once I knew that, it made me feel safer as there nothing to hit on the way in,as opposed to a deep valley airport.

DC National ( Ronald Reagan)? No F$&&g way.
Unless: I'm in a piper cub, DC3 ( 30's era plane) or a 727 flown by a naval aviator fresh off the boat.
Too much restricted airspace, noise-abatement procedures ( think steep takeoffs, landings).
Even before FU money, being forced to fly into there would have made me quit.

San Diego, some approaches are a little worrysome, but if you know beforehand that you'll be flying through downtown, it's kinda fun.

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Do you have a Fear of Flying, or concerns about some aspects.

You have to work out what it is about flying that you don't like, then you can address the root of that concern,

If its a fear of flying, then there are a few courses and classes to help out. If its that they're uncomfortable horrible tubes, then noise cancelling headphones, and a few movies can help out.


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PS. flying is generally unpleasant, its just different people tolerate it more or less. I can't imagine anyone 'likes' it.