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General Discussion => Welcome and General Discussion => Topic started by: AnnaGrowsAMustache on October 15, 2017, 04:26:19 PM
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No, I don't have enough FU money and I won't be FIREing. I've reached the end of my damn tolerance for this underpaid bollocks and tomorrow I'm telling the boss that I'll be looking for a new job and they should start looking for my replacement. Enough is enough. It's nice how much relief there is in a decision made, isn't it?
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What's going on? Wanna talk about it?
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What's going on? Wanna talk about it?
I'm overloaded to the point of near breakdown. I've been saying this for months to the managers. Others in my section have said the same thing about their workload. I've had two weeks leave, and meetings with various managers to discuss change but I can't see how there are going to be significant, workable changes. I feel the positive relationship with immediate managers has broken down somewhat. I was up all last night in tears with a migraine, worries about not getting enough sleep and dread of facing Monday morning (today). And I've seen a few jobs advertised that I'd like to have. That pretty much sums it up!
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That's not rational. Work your normal hours and no more until you have another job lined up.
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Don't quit. Stop giving a fuck, do the bare minimum and focus on getting a better job. Take your sick leave if you can and us those days for job interviews. Find a good place where you can do phone interviews with recruiters and potential employees during work hours. Can be your car, a sound proof conference room on a different floor, a remote parking lot, just make sure you have it. Update your resume today, start sending it out tomorrow.
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Get in at 9, leave at 5. Do not answer the phone off hours. When they demand things, tell them to prioritize. “I can do A or B today, but not both. Which one is more important?” You must learn to set boundaries or you will have these issues in every job.
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I'm aware that it's not a strictly rational decision. That's probably because I'm not a robot, and part of my decision making process is emotional. What can I say? I'm human. It's a bummer. I do need to stop giving a fuck. I don't intend to leave without a job to go to, especially just before Xmas. I'm going to let them know that I'm looking and that they also need to start looking. I'll give formal notice when I've found a job, and I'm updating my CV as we speak. I'm not going to walk out or anything, but I do need this crap to have an end point.
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Get in at 9, leave at 5. Do not answer the phone off hours. When they demand things, tell them to prioritize. “I can do A or B today, but not both. Which one is more important?” You must learn to set boundaries or you will have these issues in every job.
I work in the health industry. It's not a 9-5 job. It's not even a beginning of shift to end of shift job. It's very definitely not a don't answer the phone after hours job. I will be applying for jobs that involve a bit of a sideways move and won't be frontline anymore!
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In many organizations, giving informal notice puts you up on a short list to fire. Please thread carefully here. Without FU money, this is a high risk.
You have stated you work in healthcare. Do you have days when you are on call? Are you expected to be available outside of your working hours? Nobody is able to work 24/7 for long time. As someone else suggested - you need BOUNDARIES.
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Second this. Don't tell them you're leaving until you're ready to leave.
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Second this. Don't tell them you're leaving until you're ready to leave.
Agreed. Plan on leaving and look for something new, just don't tell your employer you're doing it until you have an offer and are out the door.
And maybe call in sick tomorrow.
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Totally agree with this thread. Get a job lined up before you jump.
It sounds like a terrible situation, and it sounds like the right thing to do to leave. But you want to protect yourself from and retribution here (i.e. write ups, firing, etc.). Taking some sick leave for a few days until you can come up with a coping plan while you’re looking for another job could be a good option.
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My current employer doesn't know I'm going to quit soon. DON'T give them notice - they could tell you to "go home now" out of spite. Then what?
They'll get the info soon enough...
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It's generally much easier to get a new job while still employed. If you can tough it out, consider staying until you have a solid offer for a new job. Sounds like you're a pharmacist.
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I agree with the part about not telling them you quit until you are actually going to quit. My amazement is this..... you said that you seen a few JOBS advertised? Why on earth do you want to go from the frying pan in to the fire? I need help understanding why someone would want to quit one job and go to another job. Why would you not start your own business so YOU can make the important decisions? Please help.... I don't understand. This seems like a perfect opportunity to make lots of money so why not take it?
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I agree with the part about not telling them you quit until you are actually going to quit. My amazement is this..... you said that you seen a few JOBS advertised? Why on earth do you want to go from the frying pan in to the fire? I need help understanding why someone would want to quit one job and go to another job. Why would you not start your own business so YOU can make the important decisions? Please help.... I don't understand. This seems like a perfect opportunity to make lots of money so why not take it?
Being in business is not a guaranteed way to make lots of money. Many, MANY people lose a great deal of money. I've been self employed before, and, frankly, I teeter from self employed to employed. There are pros and cons with both. Besides, the right job does not preclude a lucrative side hustle!
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So many opportunities out there, I just can't wrap my head around people not making it work. Who would have ever guessed that I would have made $428,000 in the house cleaning business in just 1 year? The first 2 months back in 1998 I made $5200.
What kind of side hustles have you had before and what type are you looking at now? Maybe we can help you get it to take off this time. Sometimes all it takes it just 1 new thing and off you go....
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So many opportunities out there, I just can't wrap my head around people not making it work. Who would have ever guessed that I would have made $428,000 in the house cleaning business in just 1 year? The first 2 months back in 1998 I made $5200.
What kind of side hustles have you had before and what type are you looking at now? Maybe we can help you get it to take off this time. Sometimes all it takes it just 1 new thing and off you go....
You seem to have very good luck. And probably went along with good management, as usual. That's certainly not the case for every start up. You've surely seen the stats. Anyhoo, given that I'm burned out and pissed off, this doesn't seem like an ideal time for me to start a business. In my experience, they involve a lot of hard graft and I'm not sure I have that in me right now. Another time.
And the rest of you lot are right, I definitely shouldn't share my plans with employers. But the sooner I'm out of there, the better.
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Second this. Don't tell them you're leaving until you're ready to leave.
Third this. Never tell them your plan. Good luck OP!
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I'm aware that it's not a strictly rational decision. That's probably because I'm not a robot, and part of my decision making process is emotional. What can I say? I'm human. It's a bummer. I do need to stop giving a fuck. I don't intend to leave without a job to go to, especially just before Xmas. I'm going to let them know that I'm looking and that they also need to start looking. I'll give formal notice when I've found a job, and I'm updating my CV as we speak. I'm not going to walk out or anything, but I do need this crap to have an end point.
You're doing the right thing. Only you know, for your circumstances, whether it makes sense to give notice, to tell them you're leaving soon, to quit outright, etc.
When it's time to go, it's time to go, and damn the torpedoes.
Good luck to you.
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You said healthcare and no limits on after hours, etc so maybe u are a physician? please do what you need to do to take care of yourself. Female physicians have one of the highest suicide rates. Is your job physically dangerous? So many assaults in healthcare. Some things are more important than money
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You said healthcare and no limits on after hours, etc so maybe u are a physician? please do what you need to do to take care of yourself. Female physicians have one of the highest suicide rates. Is your job physically dangerous? So many assaults in healthcare. Some things are more important than money
Any job where you're dealing with stressed and frightened people is dangerous. I get to be on their side and helping them, though, so I don't generally have problems. I'd be more afraid to work for Inland Revenue, or the police.
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Get in at 9, leave at 5. Do not answer the phone off hours. When they demand things, tell them to prioritize. “I can do A or B today, but not both. Which one is more important?” You must learn to set boundaries or you will have these issues in every job.
I work in the health industry. It's not a 9-5 job. It's not even a beginning of shift to end of shift job. It's very definitely not a don't answer the phone after hours job. I will be applying for jobs that involve a bit of a sideways move and won't be frontline anymore!
As someone who works in a public service job, my eyes almost roll out of the door and under a bus when people go, "Oh, stay in your job and just do the minimum." It's not like we can. Doing the minimum would be a fast track to having to deal with the immense stress and inconvenience of disciplinary action.
I've done what you're considering doing. The net always appeared when I jumped.
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Do you have an option for some kind of transfer into another position in your current job? Just until you find something better?
Please use your sick days for what they are worth.
From the day I wanted to quite a previous job, it took me a few weeks to update my CV. From then on it took about 2 years to find the kind of job I was looking for, including the correct location, benefits and conditions. If you are critical in finding a new job, find the correct job might be very time consuming. I didn't tell my employer until I handed over my notice. But just the fact that I had made the decision and was in the process, helped me feel a lot better. Although two years felt way too long.
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Do you have an option for some kind of transfer into another position in your current job? Just until you find something better?
Please use your sick days for what they are worth.
From the day I wanted to quite a previous job, it took me a few weeks to update my CV. From then on it took about 2 years to find the kind of job I was looking for, including the correct location, benefits and conditions. If you are critical in finding a new job, find the correct job might be very time consuming. I didn't tell my employer until I handed over my notice. But just the fact that I had made the decision and was in the process, helped me feel a lot better. Although two years felt way too long.
Wow. I've updated my CV and called referees to ask their permission today. I've applied for 2 jobs today, both of which I'd quite like. I think you must be looking for a very niche sort of position. What I want is pretty simple, really.
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Get in at 9, leave at 5. Do not answer the phone off hours. When they demand things, tell them to prioritize. “I can do A or B today, but not both. Which one is more important?” You must learn to set boundaries or you will have these issues in every job.
I work in the health industry. It's not a 9-5 job. It's not even a beginning of shift to end of shift job. It's very definitely not a don't answer the phone after hours job. I will be applying for jobs that involve a bit of a sideways move and won't be frontline anymore!
As someone who works in a public service job, my eyes almost roll out of the door and under a bus when people go, "Oh, stay in your job and just do the minimum." It's not like we can. Doing the minimum would be a fast track to having to deal with the immense stress and inconvenience of disciplinary action.
I've done what you're considering doing. The net always appeared when I jumped.
Exactly! There is no minimum. You give it all everyday! And you actually have to, otherwise the service to patients is compromised. Things like regular hours, lunch breaks and "doing the minimum" don't exist.
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Sorry to hear of your troubles at work, and glad that you've pulled back on telling your bosses you want to leave. It sounds to me as though they already know all the problems anyway and still aren't solving them, so frankly if you left overnight with no replacement they would only be getting what they deserve.
The other thing I would say is that being emotionally invested in being a good employee, which it sounds as though you are, is always a bad idea because it puts you at such a disadvantage in negotiating with your bosses - make no mistake, every time you make a complaint to your bosses you are negotiating with them.
What you need to do, if you can, is separate out being a good employee (which is all about helping your bosses) from doing a good job (which is all about helping the people on the receiving end of your work). The people who don't give a damn about going above and beyond to help their bosses while still wanting to do a good job for the clients are the ones who manage overwork situations best.
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Sounds good. Time to find a new job. Good luck with your search.
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Carry on as "normal".
Seek new employment.
Wait until written offer of employment is in your hands.
Give your notice.
It will be hard to keep your mouth closed at times but you just have to battle through it. You are looking at a few weeks max really.
As for running your own business, seems like you have that one sussed but I don't think its right for you given your current circs.
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Best of luck to you, Anna. I'm glad you've already got some potential places to jump! No job is worth the stress you're enduring right now; you've got to look out for your own health.
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Exactly! There is no minimum. You give it all everyday! And you actually have to, otherwise the service to patients is compromised. Things like regular hours, lunch breaks and "doing the minimum" don't exist.
You sound awesome and with an attitude like this any employer would be lucky to have you! Good luck Anna and hang in there until all of your ducks are in a row so you can escape!
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Following for the eventual post when you have given your notice. Keep the focus on a new job until that moment. Delayed gratification.
In the meantime, read the Epic FU money thread, which is cathartic:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/epic-fu-money-stories/?topicseen (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/epic-fu-money-stories/?topicseen)
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Exactly! There is no minimum. You give it all everyday! And you actually have to, otherwise the service to patients is compromised. Things like regular hours, lunch breaks and "doing the minimum" don't exist.
I'm in a similar boat Anna. Healthcare industry where there is no option of slacking off for a bit, or prioritising etc. It sounds like you still want to do the job, but in a different workplace. If so, my 2 cents is to stay as long as you can while you sort something else. It is a bit easier that way.
I'm done with the secondry grief and trauma jobs, so am about to ignore my own advice and walk away. My mental health is more important than that of my patients in the end. A bit risky, but a better risk than going nuts.
Good luck; do what seems right for you
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No, I don't have enough FU money and I won't be FIREing. I've reached the end of my damn tolerance for this underpaid bollocks and tomorrow I'm telling the boss that I'll be looking for a new job and they should start looking for my replacement. Enough is enough. It's nice how much relief there is in a decision made, isn't it?
Anna - How'd it go? I understand the folks who say "take it easy and don't give a F", but most high performers just aren't wired that way. Its not in your DNA to "just not care" and thats okay. Best of luck in your decision and search...
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Right, so I've gone against all advice and anything rational! I've given notice now. I have no job to go to right this second. I have done this in the past and managed to come up with a good job in short order. In the meantime, I feel like a HUGE weight is off my shoulders and I feel good about the decision. I was in desperate need of an end date.
So... management have been good and we've set up an exit plan. They've assured me writing that should I get a job earlier than planned that I will not have to work out my full notice. My immediate colleague burst into tears when i told her I was leaving.
The comments about doing as little as possible and staying have been eye opening. No matter the industry, I don't think I could work that way. And in this industry, patients would suffer. You deal with whatever walks in the door. There's no task list. There's no 'can't I'm at lunch'. There's no 'get back to me about it later'. There's no clocking off at 5:01pm. It's not that unusual to come to work, work flat out until past your shift end and never have a food break.
Anyhoo, I'm not going to work like this for much longer. The end is in sight!
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Wow! Good for you. Sounds like you could even benefit from a short respite between jobs. I hope you get it.
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Right, so I've gone against all advice and anything rational! I've given notice now. I have no job to go to right this second. I have done this in the past and managed to come up with a good job in short order. In the meantime, I feel like a HUGE weight is off my shoulders and I feel good about the decision. I was in desperate need of an end date.
So... management have been good and we've set up an exit plan. They've assured me writing that should I get a job earlier than planned that I will not have to work out my full notice. My immediate colleague burst into tears when i told her I was leaving.
The comments about doing as little as possible and staying have been eye opening. No matter the industry, I don't think I could work that way. And in this industry, patients would suffer. You deal with whatever walks in the door. There's no task list. There's no 'can't I'm at lunch'. There's no 'get back to me about it later'. There's no clocking off at 5:01pm. It's not that unusual to come to work, work flat out until past your shift end and never have a food break.
Anyhoo, I'm not going to work like this for much longer. The end is in sight!
Wishing you strength and success. Well done. I hope you can find some space to care for yourself in whatever you do next.
The work pattern you describe is very familiar to me, and I'm planning to leave within 18 months, and probably much sooner than that. I like my colleagues and feel a sense of responsibility towards the organisation, which may not survive my departure, but I'm worn out, I've never had a break of more than a few weeks from work, and nobody else is ever going to say, "You work too hard, have some time off."
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Right, so I've gone against all advice and anything rational! I've given notice now. I have no job to go to right this second. I have done this in the past and managed to come up with a good job in short order. In the meantime, I feel like a HUGE weight is off my shoulders and I feel good about the decision. I was in desperate need of an end date.
So... management have been good and we've set up an exit plan. They've assured me writing that should I get a job earlier than planned that I will not have to work out my full notice. My immediate colleague burst into tears when i told her I was leaving.
The comments about doing as little as possible and staying have been eye opening. No matter the industry, I don't think I could work that way. And in this industry, patients would suffer. You deal with whatever walks in the door. There's no task list. There's no 'can't I'm at lunch'. There's no 'get back to me about it later'. There's no clocking off at 5:01pm. It's not that unusual to come to work, work flat out until past your shift end and never have a food break.
Anyhoo, I'm not going to work like this for much longer. The end is in sight!
Good for you. I know it's a hard step to take, but it sounds like it was definitely time. Life's too short for toxic work environments, no matter how worthy the actual job.
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Right, so I've gone against all advice and anything rational! I've given notice now. I have no job to go to right this second. I have done this in the past and managed to come up with a good job in short order. In the meantime, I feel like a HUGE weight is off my shoulders and I feel good about the decision. I was in desperate need of an end date.
So... management have been good and we've set up an exit plan. They've assured me writing that should I get a job earlier than planned that I will not have to work out my full notice. My immediate colleague burst into tears when i told her I was leaving.
Anyhoo, I'm not going to work like this for much longer. The end is in sight!
Good for you. I know it's a hard step to take, but it sounds like it was definitely time. Life's too short for toxic work environments, no matter how worthy the actual job.
Totally agree! Anna, good luck and update us on how you are doing. I hope you find a new and better job soon!
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Exactly! There is no minimum. You give it all everyday! And you actually have to, otherwise the service to patients is compromised. Things like regular hours, lunch breaks and "doing the minimum" don't exist.
I'm in a similar boat Anna. Healthcare industry where there is no option of slacking off for a bit, or prioritising etc. It sounds like you still want to do the job, but in a different workplace. If so, my 2 cents is to stay as long as you can while you sort something else. It is a bit easier that way.
I'm done with the secondry grief and trauma jobs, so am about to ignore my own advice and walk away. My mental health is more important than that of my patients in the end. A bit risky, but a better risk than going nuts.
Good luck; do what seems right for you
How can this industry keep continuing like this? Don't all employees get burned out soon or change jobs? I can't imagine a lot of flexibility.
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Get in at 9, leave at 5. Do not answer the phone off hours. When they demand things, tell them to prioritize. “I can do A or B today, but not both. Which one is more important?” You must learn to set boundaries or you will have these issues in every job.
I work in the health industry. It's not a 9-5 job. It's not even a beginning of shift to end of shift job. It's very definitely not a don't answer the phone after hours job. I will be applying for jobs that involve a bit of a sideways move and won't be frontline anymore!
As someone who works in a public service job, my eyes almost roll out of the door and under a bus when people go, "Oh, stay in your job and just do the minimum." It's not like we can. Doing the minimum would be a fast track to having to deal with the immense stress and inconvenience of disciplinary action.
I've done what you're considering doing. The net always appeared when I jumped.
Exactly! There is no minimum. You give it all everyday! And you actually have to, otherwise the service to patients is compromised. Things like regular hours, lunch breaks and "doing the minimum" don't exist.
I can so relate to everything you've posted here.
I'm a veterinarian in a low-income area where everyone seems be drunk or on drugs. (Okay, not everyone, but a LOT of clients.) I get yelled at and screamed at on a daily basis. This morning, I had an all-out panic attack on the way to work. Literally cried the entire 45 minute drive (including a stop for gas... yep, I was bawling while standing outside my car at the gas station) and considered making the turn that would take me to the human hospital instead of continuing on to work. But then who would take care of the damn pets? The clients sure as hell aren't going to pony up the money to take them to the emergency clinic.
I ran out of f*cks to give today. Seriously, monotone robot all day long. Interacted with each client as little as possible. One of my techs informed me that the entire staff is on Prozac or other antidepressants/anxiolytics, and that I need to start on them because it's the only way that I'll be able to stomach the clients.
Veterinarians? Yeah, we really DO have the highest suicide rate. And I don't want it to be me.
I can't stomach the thought of quitting without something else lined up, and I know my husband wouldn't forgive me for it, but the time may be coming. I wish I could just care less and do a better job of disengaging, but I can't. When you have ELEVEN scheduled patients between 8:30-10am and you're the only doctor working, you can't just decide to ignore half of those clients. So you suck it up and do it, dying a little inside.
I get it.
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Exactly! There is no minimum. You give it all everyday! And you actually have to, otherwise the service to patients is compromised. Things like regular hours, lunch breaks and "doing the minimum" don't exist.
I'm in a similar boat Anna. Healthcare industry where there is no option of slacking off for a bit, or prioritising etc. It sounds like you still want to do the job, but in a different workplace. If so, my 2 cents is to stay as long as you can while you sort something else. It is a bit easier that way.
I'm done with the secondry grief and trauma jobs, so am about to ignore my own advice and walk away. My mental health is more important than that of my patients in the end. A bit risky, but a better risk than going nuts.
Good luck; do what seems right for you
How can this industry keep continuing like this? Don't all employees get burned out soon or change jobs? I can't imagine a lot of flexibility.
It survives because it's staffed by people who give a shit. Those are the kind of people attracted to the job. It's vocational stuff. And it never pays as much as it should - we're talking medical staff, teaching staff, first responders etc etc.
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Get in at 9, leave at 5. Do not answer the phone off hours. When they demand things, tell them to prioritize. “I can do A or B today, but not both. Which one is more important?” You must learn to set boundaries or you will have these issues in every job.
I work in the health industry. It's not a 9-5 job. It's not even a beginning of shift to end of shift job. It's very definitely not a don't answer the phone after hours job. I will be applying for jobs that involve a bit of a sideways move and won't be frontline anymore!
As someone who works in a public service job, my eyes almost roll out of the door and under a bus when people go, "Oh, stay in your job and just do the minimum." It's not like we can. Doing the minimum would be a fast track to having to deal with the immense stress and inconvenience of disciplinary action.
I've done what you're considering doing. The net always appeared when I jumped.
Exactly! There is no minimum. You give it all everyday! And you actually have to, otherwise the service to patients is compromised. Things like regular hours, lunch breaks and "doing the minimum" don't exist.
I can so relate to everything you've posted here.
I'm a veterinarian in a low-income area where everyone seems be drunk or on drugs. (Okay, not everyone, but a LOT of clients.) I get yelled at and screamed at on a daily basis. This morning, I had an all-out panic attack on the way to work. Literally cried the entire 45 minute drive (including a stop for gas... yep, I was bawling while standing outside my car at the gas station) and considered making the turn that would take me to the human hospital instead of continuing on to work. But then who would take care of the damn pets? The clients sure as hell aren't going to pony up the money to take them to the emergency clinic.
I ran out of f*cks to give today. Seriously, monotone robot all day long. Interacted with each client as little as possible. One of my techs informed me that the entire staff is on Prozac or other antidepressants/anxiolytics, and that I need to start on them because it's the only way that I'll be able to stomach the clients.
Veterinarians? Yeah, we really DO have the highest suicide rate. And I don't want it to be me.
I can't stomach the thought of quitting without something else lined up, and I know my husband wouldn't forgive me for it, but the time may be coming. I wish I could just care less and do a better job of disengaging, but I can't. When you have ELEVEN scheduled patients between 8:30-10am and you're the only doctor working, you can't just decide to ignore half of those clients. So you suck it up and do it, dying a little inside.
I get it.
Aww, that sounds frickin horrible. Is there any way you can actually have less interaction with the clients? Maybe by buddying up in the consult room with a vet nurse? That's what we do when a particularly tricky one comes in. Sometimes we even buddy up with security staff. Either that or JUST talk to the animals. Their idiot parents can listen in. With a bit of luck, they might think you're insane and choose not to rile you!
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I am excited for you Anna. You seem very grounded, focused and know what you want.
Hope you keep us updated.
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I am excited for you Anna. You seem very grounded, focused and know what you want.
Hope you keep us updated.
Hahahha, well, I'm glad I SEEM that way! I'm actually excited about Xmas now, though. Before I was just living day to day and dreading it. It's so good to quit! So good to not have to worry about a few shitstorms I can see coming in January! And definitely quite exciting not quite knowing how I'll be earning a living then!
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Get in at 9, leave at 5. Do not answer the phone off hours. When they demand things, tell them to prioritize. “I can do A or B today, but not both. Which one is more important?” You must learn to set boundaries or you will have these issues in every job.
I work in the health industry. It's not a 9-5 job. It's not even a beginning of shift to end of shift job. It's very definitely not a don't answer the phone after hours job. I will be applying for jobs that involve a bit of a sideways move and won't be frontline anymore!
As someone who works in a public service job, my eyes almost roll out of the door and under a bus when people go, "Oh, stay in your job and just do the minimum." It's not like we can. Doing the minimum would be a fast track to having to deal with the immense stress and inconvenience of disciplinary action.
I've done what you're considering doing. The net always appeared when I jumped.
Exactly! There is no minimum. You give it all everyday! And you actually have to, otherwise the service to patients is compromised. Things like regular hours, lunch breaks and "doing the minimum" don't exist.
I can so relate to everything you've posted here.
I'm a veterinarian in a low-income area where everyone seems be drunk or on drugs. (Okay, not everyone, but a LOT of clients.) I get yelled at and screamed at on a daily basis. This morning, I had an all-out panic attack on the way to work. Literally cried the entire 45 minute drive (including a stop for gas... yep, I was bawling while standing outside my car at the gas station) and considered making the turn that would take me to the human hospital instead of continuing on to work. But then who would take care of the damn pets? The clients sure as hell aren't going to pony up the money to take them to the emergency clinic.
I ran out of f*cks to give today. Seriously, monotone robot all day long. Interacted with each client as little as possible. One of my techs informed me that the entire staff is on Prozac or other antidepressants/anxiolytics, and that I need to start on them because it's the only way that I'll be able to stomach the clients.
Veterinarians? Yeah, we really DO have the highest suicide rate. And I don't want it to be me.
I can't stomach the thought of quitting without something else lined up, and I know my husband wouldn't forgive me for it, but the time may be coming. I wish I could just care less and do a better job of disengaging, but I can't. When you have ELEVEN scheduled patients between 8:30-10am and you're the only doctor working, you can't just decide to ignore half of those clients. So you suck it up and do it, dying a little inside.
I get it.
Aww, that sounds frickin horrible. Is there any way you can actually have less interaction with the clients? Maybe by buddying up in the consult room with a vet nurse? That's what we do when a particularly tricky one comes in. Sometimes we even buddy up with security staff. Either that or JUST talk to the animals. Their idiot parents can listen in. With a bit of luck, they might think you're insane and choose not to rile you!
Unfortunately, no such luck. We usually only have 1 tech per doctor, and the tech is typically loading the next room and drawing samples as I'm in a room. Speaking as little as possible yesterday seemed to help, though. I'm sure there will be clients who complain that I'm unfriendly, but that's better than giving them ammunition with which to attack.
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Hi Anna, it sounds like this will be a big relief. Good luck in your search for a new job!
startingsmall, it also sounds like you may have figured out a way to interact with mostly the animals that will help you function and cope better.
Please update when you can.
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Congrats Anna. Enjoy the break
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Hi Anna, it sounds like this will be a big relief. Good luck in your search for a new job!
startingsmall, it also sounds like you may have figured out a way to interact with mostly the animals that will help you function and cope better.
Please update when you can.
I learned yesterday that all of my coworkers except one are on Prozac and other antidepressants/anxioloytics. Some were on meds prior to working here, but several started meds specifically due to the difficult client interactions at this particular clinic. My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work, but I just don't want to stay in a job that requires meds to tolerate. So I'll keep up the job hunt.
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I learned yesterday that all of my coworkers except one are on Prozac and other antidepressants/anxioloytics. Some were on meds prior to working here, but several started meds specifically due to the difficult client interactions at this particular clinic. My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work, but I just don't want to stay in a job that requires meds to tolerate. So I'll keep up the job hunt.
imo no job is worth one's sanity and/or health. I hope you find a new one that is more enjoyable.
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I learned yesterday that all of my coworkers except one are on Prozac and other antidepressants/anxioloytics. Some were on meds prior to working here, but several started meds specifically due to the difficult client interactions at this particular clinic. My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work, but I just don't want to stay in a job that requires meds to tolerate. So I'll keep up the job hunt.
imo no job is worth one's sanity and/or health. I hope you find a new one that is more enjoyable.
+1. Make the jump and make it soon. Stress is a killer, and if it doesn't kill you it makes you weaker - less able to handle even good stress and good changes. It can take years to recover from a truly negative job. As far as the animals are concerned, the clinic will still be there and still operate. YOU can only do what YOU can do, and I think you've reached that limit. Shame on your husband for being ok with medication and not ok with quitting!
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I learned yesterday that all of my coworkers except one are on Prozac and other antidepressants/anxioloytics. Some were on meds prior to working here, but several started meds specifically due to the difficult client interactions at this particular clinic. My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work, but I just don't want to stay in a job that requires meds to tolerate. So I'll keep up the job hunt.
That's horrific when you step back and think about it. And I can totally believe it.
My job broke me once, and I said afterwards that if it looked like breaking me again my strategies to avoid another period of sick leave would include taking Prozac, because although I've never taken an antidepressant I'm not opposed to doing so if the need arises. This could yet happen to ensure I'm able to continue to work until my earliest FIRE date, which isn't all that far away.
On the other hand, having never taken an antidepressant I have no way of knowing if it will make me sick or make me give so few fucks that I'm a liability in my workplace, so I'd rather not.
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My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work
Well this is really fucked up. Are you the breadwinner? Are you supporting your husband's gambling addiction? Forget your job, quit it. There are lots of other jobs out there that don't require you to take drugs.
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I would go flip burgers or clean toilets before I'd start taking drugs to try to stay at a stressful job. Antidepressants are not nearly as effective as most people think (although they do seem to help some people, and if you, reading this, are one of them, I'm glad they're helping you), and they can have horrific side effects... including suicide. No thank you. For some people with some types of depression, exercise can be as effective as or more effective than taking drugs. But of course, when being overworked by a stressful job, it's hard to find time for exercise, so it can be a vicious cycle.
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/bad-medicine-part-2-drug-trials-tribulations-rebroadcast/
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My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work
Well this is really fucked up. Are you the breadwinner? Are you supporting your husband's gambling addiction? Forget your job, quit it. There are lots of other jobs out there that don't require you to take drugs.
I am the breadwinner. Husband is in full-time ministry, so relatively low pay and no health insurance through his job.
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My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work
Well this is really fucked up. Are you the breadwinner? Are you supporting your husband's gambling addiction? Forget your job, quit it. There are lots of other jobs out there that don't require you to take drugs.
I am the breadwinner. Husband is in full-time ministry, so relatively low pay and no health insurance through his job.
Well, you two need to sit down and talk, because this is an unworkable situation. You need to get out of that job or he won't have a wife. Maybe you need to work out how much you actually need to survive, just survival, and then work to that first of all. You might be OK just quitting. Then regroup, and go and get a better job.
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My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work
Well this is really fucked up. Are you the breadwinner? Are you supporting your husband's gambling addiction? Forget your job, quit it. There are lots of other jobs out there that don't require you to take drugs.
I am the breadwinner. Husband is in full-time ministry, so relatively low pay and no health insurance through his job.
Isn’t there a scripture about how someone who doesn’t care for his family is worse than someone without faith? (Sorry but I’ve forgotten most of the indoctrination so my memory may be fuzzy on the words.) Point is, y’all need to figure this out. No job is worth your mental health, and you two need to find a way to get you out of there ASAP, even if it means that he gets a second job or takes on a higher paying line of work.
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My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work
Well this is really fucked up. Are you the breadwinner? Are you supporting your husband's gambling addiction? Forget your job, quit it. There are lots of other jobs out there that don't require you to take drugs.
I am the breadwinner. Husband is in full-time ministry, so relatively low pay and no health insurance through his job.
+1. That.is.messed.up.
You need to get a new husband and new job. Not necessarily in this order.
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I don't think it's coming across correctly in writing :(
Husband went to seminary, with my support & encouragement, about 6 years ago. We knew the ministry wouldn't pay well, but made a joint decision for him to do it because my vet income could support us. He literally can't get a second job - his job requires 24/7 on-call availability. His current job will look very good on his resume and likely help his career over the long term, so staying is best for now.
There is another nearby vet clinic hiring, but the truth is that I've been unhappy in every vet job I've had. It's not the job, it's the career. Yes, my current job has below-average clients... but I actually have above-average co-workers and bosses. Husband says I should apply, but I don't think it's worth having another job change on my resume.
He supports the idea of me leaving my job, as long as it's for another FT job with benefits. (This is a blue-collar community and he grew up in a blue-collar family. A stable job with benefits is the holy grail. Given the uncertainty surrounding the ACA, I find it hard to argue against that with much enthusiasm.) There just aren't any in this area that appeal to me right now, because we live in a rural area with few opportunities. I'm tempted to quit and try to rely just on my freelance, but the insurance thing is the issue.
The plan is to move to a better area in a few years. At that point, I really would like to change to a career in teaching. (The schools in our area, both public and private, are not very good.) I think I want to try to hang in there with the vet thing until then. If I can. I haven't had any panic attacks since the one I posted about upthread, so maybe I'll make it?
Anyway, just wanted to try to paint a more accurate picture because, in my frustration, I don't think I really did that.
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My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work
Well this is really fucked up. Are you the breadwinner? Are you supporting your husband's gambling addiction? Forget your job, quit it. There are lots of other jobs out there that don't require you to take drugs.
I am the breadwinner. Husband is in full-time ministry, so relatively low pay and no health insurance through his job.
+1. That.is.messed.up.
You need to get a new husband and new job. Not necessarily in this order.
This is a dramatic statement which also has undertones of sexism.
Would you tell a breadwinner man stuck in a stressful job he needs a new wife?
People make life plans and things don't work as expected. I'm also a breadwinner wife stuck in a stressful job that had me crying for two hours yesterday. My husband hates this and wants to help, but the choices we've made together over the last decade have made me the one with income potential not him.
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My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work
Well this is really fucked up. Are you the breadwinner? Are you supporting your husband's gambling addiction? Forget your job, quit it. There are lots of other jobs out there that don't require you to take drugs.
I am the breadwinner. Husband is in full-time ministry, so relatively low pay and no health insurance through his job.
+1. That.is.messed.up.
You need to get a new husband and new job. Not necessarily in this order.
Sequoia, I agree that is messed up, but please don't tell SS what she "needs" to do. She shared her situation as a way of commiseration with the OP, not to get punched. Please see Forum Rule #1.
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My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work
Well this is really fucked up. Are you the breadwinner? Are you supporting your husband's gambling addiction? Forget your job, quit it. There are lots of other jobs out there that don't require you to take drugs.
I am the breadwinner. Husband is in full-time ministry, so relatively low pay and no health insurance through his job.
+1. That.is.messed.up.
You need to get a new husband and new job. Not necessarily in this order.
This is a dramatic statement which also has undertones of sexism.
Would you tell a breadwinner man stuck in a stressful job he needs a new wife?
People make life plans and things don't work as expected. I'm also a breadwinner wife stuck in a stressful job that had me crying for two hours yesterday. My husband hates this and wants to help, but the choices we've made together over the last decade have made me the one with income potential not him.
Thank you for posting this. Seriously. And like you, my situation is due to choices that we made together. Because I'm human and imperfect, there are days that I feel overwhelmed and blame/resent him... but these are choices that we made, and continue to make, together.
I needed that post today. Thank you again!
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My husband is supporting the idea of me also going on meds to help at work
Well this is really fucked up. Are you the breadwinner? Are you supporting your husband's gambling addiction? Forget your job, quit it. There are lots of other jobs out there that don't require you to take drugs.
I am the breadwinner. Husband is in full-time ministry, so relatively low pay and no health insurance through his job.
+1. That.is.messed.up.
You need to get a new husband and new job. Not necessarily in this order.
This is a dramatic statement which also has undertones of sexism.
Would you tell a breadwinner man stuck in a stressful job he needs a new wife?
People make life plans and things don't work as expected. I'm also a breadwinner wife stuck in a stressful job that had me crying for two hours yesterday. My husband hates this and wants to help, but the choices we've made together over the last decade have made me the one with income potential not him.
Yes. If my wife tells me to take drugs so I can keep working in my stressful job, I get a new wife. Got nothing to do with sexism, or who is the breadwinner (man or woman). What kind of advice tell one to take drugs to keep a job? A job is a job, not worth sacrificing one's health or sanity, but maybe I am wrong.
Am I the only person that thinks this is messed up? If thats the case, my sincere apology then.
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I don't think it's coming across correctly in writing :(
Husband went to seminary, with my support & encouragement, about 6 years ago. We knew the ministry wouldn't pay well, but made a joint decision for him to do it because my vet income could support us. He literally can't get a second job - his job requires 24/7 on-call availability. His current job will look very good on his resume and likely help his career over the long term, so staying is best for now.
There is another nearby vet clinic hiring, but the truth is that I've been unhappy in every vet job I've had. It's not the job, it's the career. Yes, my current job has below-average clients... but I actually have above-average co-workers and bosses. Husband says I should apply, but I don't think it's worth having another job change on my resume.
He supports the idea of me leaving my job, as long as it's for another FT job with benefits. (This is a blue-collar community and he grew up in a blue-collar family. A stable job with benefits is the holy grail. Given the uncertainty surrounding the ACA, I find it hard to argue against that with much enthusiasm.) There just aren't any in this area that appeal to me right now, because we live in a rural area with few opportunities. I'm tempted to quit and try to rely just on my freelance, but the insurance thing is the issue.
The plan is to move to a better area in a few years. At that point, I really would like to change to a career in teaching. (The schools in our area, both public and private, are not very good.) I think I want to try to hang in there with the vet thing until then. If I can. I haven't had any panic attacks since the one I posted about upthread, so maybe I'll make it?
Anyway, just wanted to try to paint a more accurate picture because, in my frustration, I don't think I really did that.
You're right, there's always more to the story. Could you maybe go part time on the vet thing and get a different part time job? That might mitigate some of the stress but still keep a decent income. Would you be happy just getting any other job and volunteering at an animal shelter?
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I don't think it's coming across correctly in writing :(
Husband went to seminary, with my support & encouragement, about 6 years ago. We knew the ministry wouldn't pay well, but made a joint decision for him to do it because my vet income could support us. He literally can't get a second job - his job requires 24/7 on-call availability. His current job will look very good on his resume and likely help his career over the long term, so staying is best for now.
There is another nearby vet clinic hiring, but the truth is that I've been unhappy in every vet job I've had. It's not the job, it's the career. Yes, my current job has below-average clients... but I actually have above-average co-workers and bosses. Husband says I should apply, but I don't think it's worth having another job change on my resume.
He supports the idea of me leaving my job, as long as it's for another FT job with benefits. (This is a blue-collar community and he grew up in a blue-collar family. A stable job with benefits is the holy grail. Given the uncertainty surrounding the ACA, I find it hard to argue against that with much enthusiasm.) There just aren't any in this area that appeal to me right now, because we live in a rural area with few opportunities. I'm tempted to quit and try to rely just on my freelance, but the insurance thing is the issue.
The plan is to move to a better area in a few years. At that point, I really would like to change to a career in teaching. (The schools in our area, both public and private, are not very good.) I think I want to try to hang in there with the vet thing until then. If I can. I haven't had any panic attacks since the one I posted about upthread, so maybe I'll make it?
Anyway, just wanted to try to paint a more accurate picture because, in my frustration, I don't think I really did that.
You're right, there's always more to the story. Could you maybe go part time on the vet thing and get a different part time job? That might mitigate some of the stress but still keep a decent income. Would you be happy just getting any other job and volunteering at an animal shelter?
Honestly, I wouldn't even need to volunteer at a shelter... I'm burned out on animals enough that I don't really want to work with them in any capacity anymore. Working PT vet and PT something else would be ideal, but then we're back to the pesky insurance issue. Maybe I just need to get over that, but the uncertainty about the ACA has me pretty anxious. As for other FT jobs that would provide benefits, there aren't very many in my area that I would be remotely qualified for.
The one thing that I keep going back to is teaching, though. I have teaching experience and I love it. I've taught test-prep classes, done college adjunct teaching, and have been doing some tutoring on the side for the last couple of years. The colleges in my area aren't hiring and I have reservations about teaching in the local public schools, but maybe I need to work through that.
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Right, so I've gone against all advice and anything rational! I've given notice now. I have no job to go to right this second. I have done this in the past and managed to come up with a good job in short order. In the meantime, I feel like a HUGE weight is off my shoulders and I feel good about the decision. I was in desperate need of an end date.
So... management have been good and we've set up an exit plan. They've assured me writing that should I get a job earlier than planned that I will not have to work out my full notice. My immediate colleague burst into tears when i told her I was leaving.
The comments about doing as little as possible and staying have been eye opening. No matter the industry, I don't think I could work that way. And in this industry, patients would suffer. You deal with whatever walks in the door. There's no task list. There's no 'can't I'm at lunch'. There's no 'get back to me about it later'. There's no clocking off at 5:01pm. It's not that unusual to come to work, work flat out until past your shift end and never have a food break.
Anyhoo, I'm not going to work like this for much longer. The end is in sight!
So, the situation you describe is a bad work environment caused by management understaffing and the staff killing themselves to take care of the patients.
Not reasonable. And it's on management, not on you. You should be able to take reasonable breaks, get food, have a pee break, etc. Might they be irregularly timed due to varying patient demand? Sure. But if you regularly miss eating for an entire shift, that's a management fuckup.
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I don't think it's coming across correctly in writing :(
Husband went to seminary, with my support & encouragement, about 6 years ago. We knew the ministry wouldn't pay well, but made a joint decision for him to do it because my vet income could support us. He literally can't get a second job - his job requires 24/7 on-call availability. His current job will look very good on his resume and likely help his career over the long term, so staying is best for now.
There is another nearby vet clinic hiring, but the truth is that I've been unhappy in every vet job I've had. It's not the job, it's the career. Yes, my current job has below-average clients... but I actually have above-average co-workers and bosses. Husband says I should apply, but I don't think it's worth having another job change on my resume.
He supports the idea of me leaving my job, as long as it's for another FT job with benefits. (This is a blue-collar community and he grew up in a blue-collar family. A stable job with benefits is the holy grail. Given the uncertainty surrounding the ACA, I find it hard to argue against that with much enthusiasm.) There just aren't any in this area that appeal to me right now, because we live in a rural area with few opportunities. I'm tempted to quit and try to rely just on my freelance, but the insurance thing is the issue.
The plan is to move to a better area in a few years. At that point, I really would like to change to a career in teaching. (The schools in our area, both public and private, are not very good.) I think I want to try to hang in there with the vet thing until then. If I can. I haven't had any panic attacks since the one I posted about upthread, so maybe I'll make it?
Anyway, just wanted to try to paint a more accurate picture because, in my frustration, I don't think I really did that.
You're right, there's always more to the story. Could you maybe go part time on the vet thing and get a different part time job? That might mitigate some of the stress but still keep a decent income. Would you be happy just getting any other job and volunteering at an animal shelter?
In other news, I JUST found an advertised opening for an industry position (not practice), that would involve mostly teaching (hooray), and that is for a company that I have mad respect for (important). AND I live right in the center of the territory for which they are hiring.
I applied.
All fingers and toes crossed.
So sorry for the threadjack, but thank you so much for your awesomeness, inspiration, and support!!
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I don't think it's coming across correctly in writing :(
Husband went to seminary, with my support & encouragement, about 6 years ago. We knew the ministry wouldn't pay well, but made a joint decision for him to do it because my vet income could support us. He literally can't get a second job - his job requires 24/7 on-call availability. His current job will look very good on his resume and likely help his career over the long term, so staying is best for now.
There is another nearby vet clinic hiring, but the truth is that I've been unhappy in every vet job I've had. It's not the job, it's the career. Yes, my current job has below-average clients... but I actually have above-average co-workers and bosses. Husband says I should apply, but I don't think it's worth having another job change on my resume.
He supports the idea of me leaving my job, as long as it's for another FT job with benefits. (This is a blue-collar community and he grew up in a blue-collar family. A stable job with benefits is the holy grail. Given the uncertainty surrounding the ACA, I find it hard to argue against that with much enthusiasm.) There just aren't any in this area that appeal to me right now, because we live in a rural area with few opportunities. I'm tempted to quit and try to rely just on my freelance, but the insurance thing is the issue.
The plan is to move to a better area in a few years. At that point, I really would like to change to a career in teaching. (The schools in our area, both public and private, are not very good.) I think I want to try to hang in there with the vet thing until then. If I can. I haven't had any panic attacks since the one I posted about upthread, so maybe I'll make it?
Anyway, just wanted to try to paint a more accurate picture because, in my frustration, I don't think I really did that.
You're right, there's always more to the story. Could you maybe go part time on the vet thing and get a different part time job? That might mitigate some of the stress but still keep a decent income. Would you be happy just getting any other job and volunteering at an animal shelter?
In other news, I JUST found a full-time veterinarian position in industry (not practice), that would involve mostly teaching (hooray), and that is for a company that I have mad respect for (important). AND I live right in the center of the territory for which they are hiring.
I applied.
All fingers and toes crossed.
Fingers crossed for you!
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Right, so I've gone against all advice and anything rational! I've given notice now. I have no job to go to right this second. I have done this in the past and managed to come up with a good job in short order. In the meantime, I feel like a HUGE weight is off my shoulders and I feel good about the decision. I was in desperate need of an end date.
So... management have been good and we've set up an exit plan. They've assured me writing that should I get a job earlier than planned that I will not have to work out my full notice. My immediate colleague burst into tears when i told her I was leaving.
The comments about doing as little as possible and staying have been eye opening. No matter the industry, I don't think I could work that way. And in this industry, patients would suffer. You deal with whatever walks in the door. There's no task list. There's no 'can't I'm at lunch'. There's no 'get back to me about it later'. There's no clocking off at 5:01pm. It's not that unusual to come to work, work flat out until past your shift end and never have a food break.
Anyhoo, I'm not going to work like this for much longer. The end is in sight!
So, the situation you describe is a bad work environment caused by management understaffing and the staff killing themselves to take care of the patients.
Not reasonable. And it's on management, not on you. You should be able to take reasonable breaks, get food, have a pee break, etc. Might they be irregularly timed due to varying patient demand? Sure. But if you regularly miss eating for an entire shift, that's a management fuckup.
Totally KEE-rect. And I've been telling management this and having meetings for the last couple of months. Nothing is happening but they did offer me a small pay rise. Too little, too late. If management don't actually feel the problem themselves, and they're not getting bad feedback from 'clients', there's no problem! Now, no longer my problem, or not for much longer anyway. I feel 100% better already, just knowing that I'm leaving.
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I don't think it's coming across correctly in writing :(
Husband went to seminary, with my support & encouragement, about 6 years ago. We knew the ministry wouldn't pay well, but made a joint decision for him to do it because my vet income could support us. He literally can't get a second job - his job requires 24/7 on-call availability. His current job will look very good on his resume and likely help his career over the long term, so staying is best for now.
There is another nearby vet clinic hiring, but the truth is that I've been unhappy in every vet job I've had. It's not the job, it's the career. Yes, my current job has below-average clients... but I actually have above-average co-workers and bosses. Husband says I should apply, but I don't think it's worth having another job change on my resume.
He supports the idea of me leaving my job, as long as it's for another FT job with benefits. (This is a blue-collar community and he grew up in a blue-collar family. A stable job with benefits is the holy grail. Given the uncertainty surrounding the ACA, I find it hard to argue against that with much enthusiasm.) There just aren't any in this area that appeal to me right now, because we live in a rural area with few opportunities. I'm tempted to quit and try to rely just on my freelance, but the insurance thing is the issue.
The plan is to move to a better area in a few years. At that point, I really would like to change to a career in teaching. (The schools in our area, both public and private, are not very good.) I think I want to try to hang in there with the vet thing until then. If I can. I haven't had any panic attacks since the one I posted about upthread, so maybe I'll make it?
Anyway, just wanted to try to paint a more accurate picture because, in my frustration, I don't think I really did that.
You're right, there's always more to the story. Could you maybe go part time on the vet thing and get a different part time job? That might mitigate some of the stress but still keep a decent income. Would you be happy just getting any other job and volunteering at an animal shelter?
In other news, I JUST found an advertised opening for an industry position (not practice), that would involve mostly teaching (hooray), and that is for a company that I have mad respect for (important). AND I live right in the center of the territory for which they are hiring.
I applied.
All fingers and toes crossed.
So sorry for the threadjack, but thank you so much for your awesomeness, inspiration, and support!!
No threadjack at all - you're in the same position as me, and it's made me even happier about having quit! Make sure you come back here with updates!
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I don't think it's coming across correctly in writing :(
Husband went to seminary, with my support & encouragement, about 6 years ago. We knew the ministry wouldn't pay well, but made a joint decision for him to do it because my vet income could support us. He literally can't get a second job - his job requires 24/7 on-call availability. His current job will look very good on his resume and likely help his career over the long term, so staying is best for now.
There is another nearby vet clinic hiring, but the truth is that I've been unhappy in every vet job I've had. It's not the job, it's the career. Yes, my current job has below-average clients... but I actually have above-average co-workers and bosses. Husband says I should apply, but I don't think it's worth having another job change on my resume.
He supports the idea of me leaving my job, as long as it's for another FT job with benefits. (This is a blue-collar community and he grew up in a blue-collar family. A stable job with benefits is the holy grail. Given the uncertainty surrounding the ACA, I find it hard to argue against that with much enthusiasm.) There just aren't any in this area that appeal to me right now, because we live in a rural area with few opportunities. I'm tempted to quit and try to rely just on my freelance, but the insurance thing is the issue.
The plan is to move to a better area in a few years. At that point, I really would like to change to a career in teaching. (The schools in our area, both public and private, are not very good.) I think I want to try to hang in there with the vet thing until then. If I can. I haven't had any panic attacks since the one I posted about upthread, so maybe I'll make it?
Anyway, just wanted to try to paint a more accurate picture because, in my frustration, I don't think I really did that.
You're right, there's always more to the story. Could you maybe go part time on the vet thing and get a different part time job? That might mitigate some of the stress but still keep a decent income. Would you be happy just getting any other job and volunteering at an animal shelter?
In other news, I JUST found an advertised opening for an industry position (not practice), that would involve mostly teaching (hooray), and that is for a company that I have mad respect for (important). AND I live right in the center of the territory for which they are hiring.
I applied.
All fingers and toes crossed.
So sorry for the threadjack, but thank you so much for your awesomeness, inspiration, and support!!
Fingers very firmly crossed for you.