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Regrets, I've had a few...
« on: September 26, 2017, 12:53:11 PM »
How do the rest of you deal with regrets from your pre-mustachian days?

We're refinancing our mortgage to a crazy low interest rate.  Now I'm kicking myself for putting so much of my savings (and a small inheritance from my grandmother) into the house downpayment rather than into Vanguard.

Trying really hard not obsess about this as what's done is done.  Anyone else have regrets like this?

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2017, 12:58:46 PM »
How do the rest of you deal with regrets from your pre-mustachian days?

We're refinancing our mortgage to a crazy low interest rate.  Now I'm kicking myself for putting so much of my savings (and a small inheritance from my grandmother) into the house downpayment rather than into Vanguard.

Trying really hard not obsess about this as what's done is done.  Anyone else have regrets like this?


Oh yes.  But there are far worse things to feel regret over than money mistakes.

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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2017, 01:02:20 PM »
At least I can say "I did it my way"

I mean, yeah - we'd be hundreds of thousands of dollars richer today had I not made so many mistakes in the past.  But learning a better way and working towards it is a good thing.

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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2017, 01:04:11 PM »
My biggest pre-MMM regret it the big house we bought, using 401k loans for the downpayment. Then, instead of paying the loans off when we sold our old house, I insisted we put in a pool. I would absolutely, positively NOT make the same decision now; this was 2.5-3 years before I'd ever heard of MMM or the concept of FIRE. We were definitely in the high earner/high spender crowd. We are on a good track to get the loans paid off in the next couple years, but I have a lot of regret about it now. All I can do is make better decisions now that I know better. I grew up with NO financial guidance, so I'm pretty happy with where I am now!

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2017, 01:10:57 PM »
Meh, the best thing you can do is to learn from your past mistakes.  It takes a lot of energy to beat yourself up over choices you made in the past.  Best to move forward and put your energy into your future, rather than a past you can't change.

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2017, 01:31:26 PM »
Meh, the best thing you can do is to learn from your past mistakes.  It takes a lot of energy to beat yourself up over choices you made in the past.  Best to move forward and put your energy into your future, rather than a past you can't change.

Well said.

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2017, 01:46:48 PM »
At least I can say "I did it my way"

Very clever!

The way I avoid obsessing over past mistakes is thru shear volume - I've made so many that it's pointless to think about them too much.  That being said, if someone could invent a time machine I would travel back and deliver a series of well deserved face-punches to my former self.

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2017, 01:54:01 PM »
DH and I have always been reasonably frugal people. But I/we did some dumb things that delayed FIRE:

Sold our previous car after 100.000 km, after replacing a number of parts that typically need replacement. I guess the next owner got a pretty good deal.

Replacing our previous el cheapo house with an expensive house. I needed to sell all my funds to be able to pay for it. Now practically all we own is in the house. We are now saving like mad to produce new cash to invest in funds again. This big house is not energy effective. And it has 2 private roads that we pay appr. 800 dollars a year for to use and to clean snow.

These are the big money mistakes that we made. There are also numerous small things. At least, we have room for improving ourselves in the future.

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 02:16:56 PM »
Let it go. I just have to accept that I made decisions that either were the best decisions at the time, or seemed to be the best decisions based on the information and experience I had at the time. It wasn't always about the money.

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2017, 02:20:05 PM »
"But then again, too few to mention..."


If you're here and became self-aware of your past mistakes, then you're probably moving past them and dwelling on them is a waste of brainpower better put to productive means.

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2017, 02:26:36 PM »
Makes me feel better to learn that I'm not the only one.  We've actually always been frugal but I guess no one is perfect.

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2017, 04:34:12 PM »
i started a share plan with my first employer in 1993 , £250 a month for 5 years ..

After 12 months my mums unemployment benefits were messed around with i cashed in and gave her some money . I wish i'd borrowed some money to help her now .

If i'd have kept on with it i'd have got 7300 shares after 5 years at a strike price -20% of face value in 1993 which was £2.32 each , they were split 3 ways in 2003 so i'd have had 21900 of them they are worth approx £8.50 each today .
I keep the certificate as a reminder ..
« Last Edit: September 26, 2017, 04:36:27 PM by FI4good »

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2017, 11:57:03 PM »
Given that money can be converted into other items (largely) at will, and one dollar bill is the same as the next unless you're some kind of serial number fetishist, money regrets are not the worst type to have - there's always a chance to make it up with your future actions. Far worse to have regrets in those areas that are not replacable - family, relationships, health or whatever else you might care to add.

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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2017, 04:31:21 AM »
Paula Pant over on Afford Everything mentioned on her pod cast the other day in relation to buying rental properties.  On your first one you are going to make more mistakes than on your 7th one.  Why just like anything in life, learning how to play an instrument, ride a bike or do math you have to practice in order to get better.  The same is with investing.  That is how I'm looking at my "money" mistakes in the past, mistakes I made because I needed more practice and therefore nothing to really regret.

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2017, 06:06:07 AM »
As someone who has wasted way too long beating herself up over past mistakes, I can say only that no one lives a perfect life; no one makes the optimal decision every time.  The question is what kind of mistakes are you beating yourself up over?  Sometimes you make a mistake because of faulty logic, poor analysis, emotional reactions, laziness/sloppiness, etc.  E.g., I thought a bigger house would make me happy, but now I am spending too much time taking care of it and resenting the higher mortgage and utility bills.  These are useful mistakes: they are how most people learn what works and what doesn't so they can make better decisions in the future.  In these cases, regret is a useful nudge -- it is a mental reminder of how you got it wrong in the past, so you don't repeat the same mistake in the future.  But there is still no reason to beat yourself up.  As Maya Angelou said, you did what you knew how to do; when you knew better, you did better.   

But sometimes you make a reasonable choice given the information available to you, and things turned out poorly because your information was imperfect.  You see this with, for example, investing:  if only I'd known that the market was going to crash, I should have gone all cash and jumped back in when it turned around -- or, more frequently, if only I'd known that the market was going to turn around, I'd have jumped back in!  When the reality is that no one can possibly tell exactly when the market will drop or rise; there are thousands of extremely intelligent people, with Ph.Ds and all the sophisticated computer power they could possibly use, who get paid a shit-ton of money to call the market -- and even they get it wrong.  So what chance does a normal average human have of doing better?

These kinds of regrets are completely useless; there is nothing to be learned from them (other than that, yes, you are human, and humans are not omniscient).  At best, they are a waste of time; at worst, they add stress and anxiety by making you feel responsible for events that are completely out of your control. 

Tl;dr:  if your mistake is something you can learn from, take it as a gift that you learned that lesson when you did instead of years or decades later, and do better in the future.  If your mistake is due to circumstances beyond your control, let it go.

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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2017, 06:21:33 AM »
Indeed, no-one knows how the stock market will develop, so no one should blame themselves for selling stock too early. Same with house prices, those are also unpredictable.

I am not really blaming myself for the 2 mistakes that I mentioned. I just accept that they could have cost me 2-3 years of FIRE and I regret that a bit. At that time I wasn't aware enough of what choices to make. I know better now.

The good thing is, that we were already saving a lot of money while we bought brand new cars. And still while we live in the big, expensive house. So things can only go up from here, since we now are much more aware of what we spend on. From now on I realize that a brand new car (Norwegian car prices are insane) = 1 year of FIRE. So we have decided to keep driving our current car for many years to come and then we will probably look at second hand cars. If then world hasn't changed and private cars are gone by that time.
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2017, 06:33:52 AM »
A big element of truly appreciating where I am today is being able to look at where I came from . . . so, no . . . no regrets.  I may not have figured it out as quick as others but, at the end of the day, I did figure it out so I'm happy with that.

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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2017, 07:12:46 AM »
To make you all feel better: Last year I sold out of shares in a oil company I was invested in for about 10 years. Highs and lows but came away with a small profit. Looking back at least it made me save/invest. I got £3K of new shares as part of the buy back which I also sold last year. At one point two weeks ago that £3k of shares were worth £77k. Ouch!

They have dropped back a little now but its taken a while to get my head round what could have been. In days gone buy I would of wanted to blow that cash but now I think that would of been 60 months expenses. Only regret is blowing so much cash on cars and bikes.

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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2017, 02:19:49 PM »
My ex told me when I was first starting my career that I couldn't contribute to my work's 401K because he was self-employed and contributed to a SEP IRA.  I was young, just starting at a firm and had children soon after, so I didn't research it and took him at his word.  Later, when I figured out he was full of shit, I started contributing, but I missed out on 8 years worth of tax deferral and matching.  At least I took half his SEP in the divorce...

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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2017, 08:16:00 PM »
I specialise in stupid decisions. I mean I could olympic in stupid. I was brought up to be stupid, which really only enhanced my own native stupid. Yes, I am that stupid. But I'm here, and I'm trying to do better, and that's pretty much not stupid. What more can I say?

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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2017, 09:04:19 PM »
I regret not leaving Hillbilly Mountain sooner. I'd be much closer to my goals today if I had. To be fair, though, I wasn't mentally prepared when I was younger for the complete rebuild of my entire existence that leaving Hillbilly Mountain required. I literally started over from scratch with a credit score in the 300s, a small amount of money from selling all my worldly possessions, and a 10 year old used Chrysler as my only major asset.

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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2017, 09:19:44 PM »
My ex told me when I was first starting my career that I couldn't contribute to my work's 401K because he was self-employed and contributed to a SEP IRA.  I was young, just starting at a firm and had children soon after, so I didn't research it and took him at his word.  Later, when I figured out he was full of shit, I started contributing, but I missed out on 8 years worth of tax deferral and matching.  At least I took half his SEP in the divorce...

Ouch! Trust but verify...