Author Topic: Recommended countries for Spanish immersion? Family-friendly, safe enough, LCOL?  (Read 7198 times)

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We've thought about Spain, Nicaragua, Equador, Chile, Mexico (Yucatan?). Any personal experience/advice with these (or others) you can offer? We have a 4YO and newborn. I won't be working while there, we love the outdoors and would like to have outdoor activities available. This would be for a long term stay (year possibly more).Thanks!
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I only have personal experiences with Mexico and Chile.  I would not hesitate to recommend Chile for an extended stay.  Fewer people in Chile speak english compared with Mexico, so you will definitely find yourself in immersive situations more often. Because Chile straddles so many degrees latitude you get every imaginable biome from sub-arctic to the brutal Atacama desert. We spent much of our time between Santiago and Valdivia to the south, which has a climate and look not unlike central California.

There are areas of Mexico which are awesome and safe too - as a general rule avoid the boarder towns and anywhere where there's a US travel advisory. I worked in southern Baja and its amazing in a desert/ocean landscape sort of way.

My brother lives in Nicaragua, about 45 minutes from Costa Rica. From what he tells me its the next up-and-coming country in central america - cheap housing, stable law-and-order/government, and way fewer US expats than nearby Costa Rica.

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I second Nicaragua as a great place to live long term. Wonderful people, and not so jaded by tourism yet as Costa Rica.

Ecuador is very nice as well, multiple Biomes within short flights or medium distance drives from the Capital Quito.

Both are relatively cheap to live in, which doesn't hurt.


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My in-laws lived in Southern Spain for 14 years. A place called Nerja/frigiliana which is about an hour from a fairly major airport (Malaga). The whole coast is reasonably developed with some overdevelopment going west from Malaga. Very hot in summer (35+ degrees C) but pleasantly mild winters/rest of time. Plenty of accommodation to choose from. Definitely safe but you could risk not being immersed as there are lots of ex-pats and tourists. As such, the locals will mostly try to speak to you in English. Would be very family friendly / safe / easy option as a more 'developed' nation when compared to some of the other options you mention. Not so helpful to provide a non-recommendation but it wouldn't be my first choice in Spain for a whole year as it is perhaps not the most interesting / cultural option (villas, swimming pools, golf courses, etc). That said, I used to cycle / mountain bike there a lot and there is quite a bit of climbing / caving.

Culturally somewhere like Barcelona would be great depending on your budget for the year as total cost would be wildly different compared to somewhere like Equador (and you could drive to skiing in the winter in Andorra).

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You can't stay in Spain as a tourist for more than 3 months without securing a visa.

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California or Florida would be my bet.

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You can't stay in Spain as a tourist for more than 3 months without securing a visa.

Yeah, but you could stay in Spain for 3 months and Gibraltar for another 3 before going back to Spain.

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California or Florida would be my bet.

Ha, emphasis on the LCOL and safe part.

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You can't stay in Spain as a tourist for more than 3 months without securing a visa.

Yeah, but you could stay in Spain for 3 months and Gibraltar for another 3 before going back to Spain.
Sure, you can come up with convoluted schemes to go around the 90 days in 180 days rule and jump back and forth. Expect difficulties at the border. While Spain is pretty lax with people overstaying and bending the rules, the UK is not and will give you trouble if they suspect funny business.

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My sister just spent a few months in Chile for school and is going around recommending it to absolutely everyone.

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California or Florida would be my bet.

Ha, emphasis on the LCOL and safe part.
Are you seriously suggesting that California and Florida, as a whole, are not safe? (won't even get into the COL, which varies market-to-market).

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California or Florida would be my bet.

Ha, emphasis on the LCOL and safe part.
Are you seriously suggesting that California and Florida, as a whole, are not safe? (won't even get into the COL, which varies market-to-market).

No, it's like anywhere else in the world, some parts are safer than others. I meant the U.S. in general as not being ranked very high in safety.

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Guatemala!  The city of Quetzaltenango is well know for it's numerous schools.

I studied there - full immersion for 6 weeks.  I want to return for 6 months and become fluent.  Quetzaltenango is a beautiful city, just the right size, lots restaurants, gyms you can join, great climate in the mountains.

I took 4 hours per day one on one five days a week.  I lived with a family with meals as well.  Everything included was $200 per week total. (this was 5 years ago).



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California or Florida would be my bet.

Ha, emphasis on the LCOL and safe part.
Are you seriously suggesting that California and Florida, as a whole, are not safe? (won't even get into the COL, which varies market-to-market).

No, it's like anywhere else in the world, some parts are safer than others. I meant the U.S. in general as not being ranked very high in safety.

Agreed.  Considering 10s of thousands of us are murdered each year, I'd probably consider many areas of the world much safer. 

To the OP...Oaxaca,Mexico is right up your alley as well
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I would probably go for Nicaragua or Ecuador.

First, what kind of Spanish do you want to learn? If you want to learn Spain-Spanish, then of course you need to go to Spain, but if you prefer to learn Latin American Spanish, it's better to stick to Central/South America.

My experience in Chile was that Chilean Spanish was harder to understand than other South American Spanish. I've heard native Spanish speakers make the same observation. It's a beautiful country, though, and for outdoor activities, you can't beat Patagonia. I would probably leave that for a vacation with which to reward myself after learning the language elsewhere, rather than trying to learn Spanish there. If you're into rafting or kayaking, you must see the Rio Futaleufu!

The Spanish spoken in Ecuador is said to be "pure," and I found it easy to understand when I was there. They speak more slowly there, which is very helpful. It's also just a beautiful country full of wonderful people. And... the Galapagos. Incredible.

I haven't been to Nicaragua, but I hear it's also a beautiful country with wonderful people. Not sure about the accent there.

As far as COL goes, I would think Ecuador or Nicaragua would be lower than Spain or Chile, although rural areas in Spain or Chile are probably cheaper than, say, Madrid or Santiago. If you're planning to fly home at all during that year, then of course the cost of flights would be something to consider, and Nicaragua would probably be cheapest.

I've been to western Mexico, which obviously doesn't give me the right to comment on the entire country, but based on what I've seen, I'm just not a huge fan. And unless you go pretty rural, I would imagine that you'd run into a lot of American influence.

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Central, or colonial, Mexico is beautiful and very safe.  And there are a ton of different towns and free activities going on year round.  Festivals, classical, folk, and traditional concerts, farmer's markets, museums, etc - all free.  It's a very vibrant place.  I spent time in Morelia, Uruapan, San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, and loved all of it.  I'm partial to the towns of Morelia and Uruapan because they were less touristy than the others - Morelia is old and beautiful but the lifestyle is a mix of modern and traditional and Uruapan is small and very lush and green with lots of fruits grown there (avocado, guava, etc) and it has a gorgeous natural water park.  You can get amazing food in these two towns for practically nothing.  San Miguel de Allende is beautiful but has lots of expats from all over the world and it has become quite pricey.  Guanajuato is a beautiful college town.

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Ha! I was going to suggest Miami, since that is where I live, and I saw someone mention it above. Maybe not LCOL, but nobody in my family has been killed yet (fingers crossed) (sarcasm).

Someone above said Barcelona but I think you will be more exposed to the Catalan language than Castilian Spanish. It won't be of much use to you outside of Catalonia.

I've heard of Nicaragua as the "new" Costa Rica but I have also heard of some instability/violence there from some expat Nicaraguans. Same with Peru. But I do want to visit both places and since I speak Spanish I think I would blend in more easily and be less of a target for crime.

How about Uruguay? Seems beautiful and stable, from the little I know of it. Chile also seems stable.
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Spain - Castilla y Leon for total Castilian Spanish immersion. Plenty of small towns <500k - pick your town based on whether you like history (Avila, Segovia, Burgos), expat communities and foreigners (Salamanca), pure Castilian similar to British English (Valladolid), food (Soria, Palencia).

Cheap (food and alcohol), safe, family-oriented, friendlier and these Spaniards are not like the fun loving Andalucians (they sound similar to the South Americans) but are more down to earth because they know their province doesn't get the Costa crowds therefore they tend to find foreigners a curiosity.

If you don't know Spanish well, better start off at Salamanca due to the many language schools there including the university, then choose the historic town you want to be in and immerse yourself. In some rural places you could probably buy a village for less than $100k. In town, you can rent a place cheaply.

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I did immersion programs in Ecuador and Nicaragua. Really liked Nicaragua, was based in Granada, which felt safe, enjoyed the historic character, and could travel around from there. Did not feel safe in the capital Managua or enjoy Quito, but I'm not a big city person. These were 1.5 month trips with no special visa issues.

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Someone above said Barcelona but I think you will be more exposed to the Catalan language than Castilian Spanish. It won't be of much use to you outside of Catalonia.

Seconding. Catalan is a beautiful language, but it is very much the dominant language in Barcelona, so it'd be hard to have a Castellano immersion experience there. Also, it's definitely not LCOL area, though it is very safe. (I mean, low levels of violent crime. I have been pickpocketed there.)

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Someone above said Barcelona but I think you will be more exposed to the Catalan language than Castilian Spanish. It won't be of much use to you outside of Catalonia.

Seconding. Catalan is a beautiful language, but it is very much the dominant language in Barcelona, so it'd be hard to have a Castellano immersion experience there. Also, it's definitely not LCOL area, though it is very safe. (I mean, low levels of violent crime. I have been pickpocketed there.)

It's not a Barcelona experience unless you have been pickpocketed! Three of my friends have been pickpocketed in the city - Sagrada Familia or Las Ramblas.

The Catalans are a beautiful people but they are fiercely independent and Castilian immersion will be difficult. Love my boquerones in vinagre.

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Guatemala!  The city of Quetzaltenango is well know for it's numerous schools.

I studied there - full immersion for 6 weeks.  I want to return for 6 months and become fluent.  Quetzaltenango is a beautiful city, just the right size, lots restaurants, gyms you can join, great climate in the mountains.

I took 4 hours per day one on one five days a week.  I lived with a family with meals as well.  Everything included was $200 per week total. (this was 5 years ago).

I just did one month in Guatemala earlier this year, including three weeks in Quetzaltenango (more commonly known as Xela) living with a host family and doing the one-on-one Spanish lessons in the mornings five days per week.  There were tons of awesome opportunities for learning about culture, participating in activities like dancing or cooking lessons, visiting historical or other interesting places, and going hiking.  I absolutely loved my experience there!  That said, I'm not so sure how comfortable I would feel having my babies living there.  I mean, obviously plenty of people do it -- all the locals after all! -- but it's very, very different from what my kids would be in in the US or somewhere like Spain.

Anyway, during my traveling time, I only had the chance to spend a few days in the city of Antigua, but I instantly fell in love with it and felt like I could live there long-term.  It is a very Spanish-colonial city, including a really pretty Plaza Mayor, tons of good cafes and restaurants, history, and scenery.  From the whole city you have a gorgeous view of Volcan de Agua close to the south and a few other nearby volcanoes.  There are many Spanish language schools in the city, but the flip side of this being such a beautiful city is that many ex-pats and students are attracted to it, so there is more English around in general than in a city like Xela.  Even still, I had no problem conducting everything I did in Antigua in Spanish -- it's not like the locals were so comfortable with English that they were pushing me to use English or anything.  I'm pretty sure there is a US Embassy office in Antigua.  I would feel comfortable living here with young children.  https://www.lonelyplanet.com/guatemala/antigua

The US Secretary of State website does not have any warnings or advisories for Americans in Guatemala as a whole.  I was a single female traveling alone, using normal tourist/street smarts, and I never felt my safety was at risk.  You should be aware that there are active warnings or advisories for Americans staying in Nicaragua, Honduras, and El Salvador.  (Nevertheless, I did meet friends in Guatemala who said Nicaragua and Honduras were fine in their personal experience.)

ETA:  I forgot to touch on cost of living.  Guatemala is super cheap.  Xela was extremely affordable -- I think my 20 hours/week of study plus the family homestay, including all 3 meals 7 days per week, was $270-ish per week.  I had one friend sharing a really nice apartment with some others, and she was paying rent of $200 per month.  I found Antigua to be more expensive than Xela, but still incredibly reasonable.  Other awesome places I visited in Guatemala included several villages around Lake Atitlan (somewhat reminded me of Lake Tahoe, and has also been compared to Lake Como in Italy) and Tikal Mayan ruins.
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I've traveled to most of the places mentioned in this thread.  My #1 recommendation would be Colombia.  A city like Medellín offers everything you're looking for, and at an amazing cost of living.  The other nice aspect about it is that people expect you to speak Spanish for the most part, unlike a lot of Central American countries that rely on tourism and therefore go more out of their way to cater to English speakers.  If you do go to CA, Nicaragua or Guatemala would be my choices.  Costa Rica is not a good value and very very English friendly, which makes it tough for emersion. 

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Puerto Rico

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I spent a week (all the time I had at the time, and I had to stay within the US because I had just sent out my passport for renewal and then suddenly found myself with unexpected vacation time) studying with a Spanish school and staying in a local homestay in San Juan, PR, and the school was good, but at least in San Juan, nearly every Puerto Rican I came across spoke English. Even their Spanish, even among my Spanish teachers, is peppered with English words. Even my homestay host persisted in speaking English to me 99% of the time, even when I answered her in Spanish. Maybe it's different outside the city, but I wouldn't go back to San Juan for Spanish.

That said, "Cuando Era Puertorriquena" is a great book about the author's childhood in PR. I read it while I was in PR and it was a nice addition to my experience there. I wish I'd had more time to explore outside of the city.

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I visited the Costa del Sol in southern Spain years ago. I bet you could get some deals if you went for 6 months in the off season. Alhambra & Gibralter were a short drive in opposite directions but there was lots to see & do.

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I lived in Chile for 6 months and studied Spanish full time. My teacher was like stop trying to understand what people are saying in the street you never will. I was practically part of my boyfriends family there and spent days and days with them. SO hard to understand. Santiago is also boring. Buenos Aires also has weird Spanish but is my favorite city in Latin America and I could live between there and Mendoza forever.