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Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« on: March 17, 2013, 12:33:38 PM »
Sorry if this is the wrong forum.  I hate to abuse the readers, but as it seems there are a lot of IT people around, could you recommend a good external hard drive?  My laptop is about two years old and I haven't yet backed it up (scary, right?).  It's starting to act a little finicky so I thought maybe I should back it up in case it dies.  Any recommendations?  I would think the cloud backups are probably more costly over time than a one-time purchase, but I would possibly consider it (though I feel a little worried about my personal information out there and prefer my own box thing).
BTW, how much do those things run for a reliable one?
Thanks from your non-IT fellow MMM reader.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2013, 12:55:11 PM »
This is more of an Ask A Mustachian topic for future reference...

My personal recommendation? Depending on level of portability and storage space desired, buy a proper internal SATA 2.5" laptop or 3.5" desktop hard drive with a good 3-5 year warranty and a well-reviewed external USB to SATA drive enclosure (like the Vantec NexStar TX, for example). You'll spend around the same or possibly a bit more than one of the pre-assembled units, but it's dirt easy to assemble, you'll get a higher quality build for the money, (potentially) a longer warranty, and the flexibility of easily removing the drive if the enclosure chipset fails to still access your data without resorting to sometimes difficult disassembly measures, or the option to upgrade the drive.

Western Digital is about the only manufacturer left producing a reliable mechanical hard drive these days. The Greens have a good low-wattage draw for these things, but only has a 2 year warranty... similar with the Blues. Black drives have a 5 year warranty, but will need a case with decent cooling and you'll lose any performance advantages. Red drives have a 3 year warranty and a decent robustness, but only come in 3.5" form factor. Good deals can be had at both Newegg.com and Amazon.
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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2013, 01:04:14 PM »
Western Digital is about the only manufacturer left producing a reliable mechanical hard drive these days. The Greens have a good low-wattage draw for these things, but only has a 2 year warranty...

anecdotal, I know... but I've had bad luck with the green drives.  I went through about 3 in my TiVo (about 1 per year) before I finally ditched them.  You might get better performance in the "plug in every now and then backup" usage.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2013, 01:23:23 PM »
Western Digital is about the only manufacturer left producing a reliable mechanical hard drive these days. The Greens have a good low-wattage draw for these things, but only has a 2 year warranty...

anecdotal, I know... but I've had bad luck with the green drives.  I went through about 3 in my TiVo (about 1 per year) before I finally ditched them.  You might get better performance in the "plug in every now and then backup" usage.

Yeah, I wouldn't use the Green drives in DVRs and servers, they're definitely not designed for high demand, warm environment applications. Due to the power draw and lower speeds, they're a good candidate for portable, occasional use USB drives though... but it highlights how warranty length is quite indicative of the engineering quality and overall reliability. It's why I was saddened to see the Blues demoted from three years to two on their warranty recently... but they're still generally more reliable than Seagate or Toshiba.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2013, 02:00:56 PM »
2 greens in my daily use 24/7 server/workstation. 1 is coming up on 3 years and one is 2 years old  both have been flawless.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2013, 02:24:24 PM »
I use Backblaze - it's $50/year for unlimited cloud storage. I keep well over a terabyte there.

It's a bit pricier than buying an external drive, but the cost is well worth it. It autosyncs everything on an hourly basis, and it's offsite which means I don't have to worry if my house burns down or floods or gets robbed. You can approximate this by having two external drives which you rotate on a weekly/monthly basis, but then you need to factor in the cost of having a place to store it and the constant hassle of moving them around.

It's worth the $1000 to me to have worry-free backup of my entire life.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2013, 03:25:57 PM »
First, you should figure out how much data you actually need to back up.  For me, and I think most people, an external HD would be overkill.  I do my backups to a thumb drive, and to the SD card in my (non-smart) cell phone.  (Plus I also mirror the important stuff around my several machines.)

Second, you need to remember that if you back up to an external HD, and leave it in the same place as your computer(s), you may be protected against a disk crash, but are still at risk of data loss from fire, theft, etc.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2013, 04:27:48 PM »
James has a great point re: data safety.

I ended up buying a couple modestly priced drives (e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Passport-320GB-Portable-External-Storage/dp/B006Y5UV36) and keep one at home and another at my parents' house in another state.  Each time I visit, I swap the drives and write my new backups to the drive I bring home.  One could explore other options such as online backups, but the swapping with a friend strategy provides the right trade off between hassle and data safety for me.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2013, 05:57:15 PM »

Yeah, I wouldn't use the Green drives in DVRs and servers, they're definitely not designed for high demand, warm environment applications. Due to the power draw and lower speeds, they're a good candidate for portable, occasional use USB drives though... but it highlights how warranty length is quite indicative of the engineering quality and overall reliability. It's why I was saddened to see the Blues demoted from three years to two on their warranty recently... but they're still generally more reliable than Seagate or Toshiba.

It was my understanding that they were actually designed for DVRs.   It used to be the standard suggested on the TiVo forums.  (It isn't any more.)

As for backup strategy: 
I have a separate large drive in my server that gets automated backups 3 nights a week.
Once a quarter, backups go to a separate queue that gets written to DVDs (at my leisure) and put in my safety deposit box at the bank.

I run Amanda (free/Linux).  IMO, it has the best scheduling of anything (commercial products inclusive).  For each partition (or directory hierarchy) it knows "I want a full backup of this every X days".  There is no such thing as "full backups of everything on Friday".  It interleaves the fulls throughout the backup schedule. 

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 10:00:02 AM »
but they're still generally more reliable than Seagate or Toshiba.

Do you have real data to support this statement?  Or, is this just anecdotal based on past experience?  If so, how old is it and what is the population size?  Is it only the 2.5" externals?  This is a subject that interests me as I have a theory as to why one of those companies makes poor 2.5" form factor drives.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 10:29:08 AM »
but they're still generally more reliable than Seagate or Toshiba.

Do you have real data to support this statement?  Or, is this just anecdotal based on past experience?  If so, how old is it and what is the population size?  Is it only the 2.5" externals?  This is a subject that interests me as I have a theory as to why one of those companies makes poor 2.5" form factor drives.

Part of my line of work is in hardware support, so I'm exposed to a lot of failing/failed hardware. There are just certain brands that die more frequently... and my observations are typically well reflected in overall longer term reviews of these drives from these manufacturers on sites like Amazon, Newegg, and CDW (amongst others); and robustness is frequently reflected in overall warranty length offered on the equipment as well. Western Digital is the only major manufacturer still offering any warranty over two years on non-enterprise grade drives, IIRC.

You might say I'm only providing anecdotal evidence as I can't point to hard scientific numbers to back the claims, but overall statistical observations both by myself as a tech, other observant techs that say similar, and overall on the internet from a fairly large spectrum of users is relatively decent enough to know I'm not just blowing smoke.

As for a pure conjecture theory, I've had a long standing one on what happened to Seagate's quality (more recently) as well as Maxtor's (before they were bought out by Seagate) over the past decade and change. I call it the Quantum Curse. Seems like every manufacturer who bought the remnants of the old Quantum Corporation eventually are cursed to produce the same quality drives that Quantum was infamously known for, and that the curse kicks in within about 24 months of acquisition. (Used to joke that the names Bigfoot and Fireball were apropos names as they were good descriptors of how they died.)

Anyway, here's the theory: Once upon a time, Quantum was one of many hard drive manufacturers before massive industry consolidation, and they produced crap drives for consumer grade computers back in the mid to late 90's. A few years later, Maxtor buys Quantum when they get into financial trouble from this practice. Two years after that acquisition, Maxtor's quality takes a nosedive. A few years later still, Seagate buys Maxtor when Maxtor gets into similar financial trouble. Two years after that, Seagate's quality takes a nosedive. I imagine when the time comes that Seagate is absorbed, it will be the remaining undoing of whatever manufacturer buys them out, be it Toshiba or WD at this point.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 11:05:17 AM »
I doubt Seagate will get bought by those other two players.  WD and Seagate make almost all of the drives and there was a big to do when Seagate bought Samsung's hard drive division and WD bout Hitachi Global data systems.  Toshiba will probably be the first to go barring some unforseen major change, but I bet it will be hard for the others to buy them.  To me, I believe that the future of the HDD industry will be to just keep cranking out drives and people will buy them.  Sort of like Pepsi and Coca-Cola, but without any brand loyalty.  Probably the most boring computer component in most people's minds.  At some point, like people have been forecasting for years, the technology will become obsolete and that will be the end. 

It will be interesting to see if your theory pans out and Seagate really is cursed.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 12:51:18 PM »
I use Crashplan (similar to Backblaze).. I've been a member for a few months, but still waiting for all my data to upload to the cloud. I use harddrive as computer crash backup at the moment.

If you're not tech savvy a well reviewed and balanced place for tech knowledge is http://thewirecutter.com/

They basically look at all products and give 1 recommendation, for all kinds of different electronics, that is probably the best option for 80% of people

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 01:48:51 PM »
Since I used to build computers for people on a pretty regular basis, I've got internal HDDs lying around all over the place.  You can pick up a SATA/IDE -> USB adapter and a power adapter then use pretty much any cheap internal HDD from an old computer as an external.  It's a little ghetto, but will work fine in a pinch.

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Re: Recommend an External Hard Drive?
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 01:57:54 PM »
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