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Antfire23

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Question about downsizing with kids
« on: October 31, 2019, 04:00:30 AM »
I approached this question on DAve Ramsey forum and got bashed about it with no real helpful advise. We have paid off over $100,000 in debt in the last year or so. We currently only have about 30k left to payoff. We have decided to put our house up for sale due to the local housing market being such a sellers market. There are over 300 new houses being built in the next year so I feel as though our value will decrease soon. As is if we sale close to our listing price we will pocket over $80,000 profit in just 4 years. We don’t see this house as a long term and have had numerous large expenses. After we sale we will pay off remaining debt and start investing the rest. We currently have our emergency fund setup. We also want to move into an apartment for a few years to allow us to save 50% of our income. We do have two kids under 5. Are we crazy for trying this? We will be moving to new apartments that should be over 900 square feet.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2019, 04:07:06 AM »
Doesn't sound crazy to me. I live in an apartment with two kids. Are you planning to find one that would allow them their own rooms? If so, I really cannot see any problem with that. What were the objections that people had?

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2019, 04:22:30 AM »
We plan to move into a two bedroom apartment, they currently share a room in our house. The main objections was that downsizing would be bad for the kids that are use to more room. Also already owning a house, we should focus on paying it off rather than selling.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2019, 05:15:05 AM »
Props to you. Seriously.

This is a stellar plan. Not many families are willing to be as disciplined as you have been and plan to be. I'd absolutely go for it.

You caught a lot of flak on the DR forum because many many people are averse to the idea that an individual or a family can live life in a way that they don't see as 'normal'. Just because you have the resources, doesn't mean you should be looking to live like everyone else does. I'm not necessarily hating on DR as his strategy is a great way for people to get started, but after a certain point his advice starts to become less relevant (especially since he and Suze Orman really don't like the ER movement).

I encourage you to stick around here, post a Case Study, or just poke around some threads that look interesting to you.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2019, 07:44:11 AM »
We are doing the same thing right now! Our house is huge, we just have 1 kid and the market is pretty good to sell. We are going to move into a 2 bedroom apartment at the barn I teach riding lessons at and be able to save 60-70% of our income. We've had our house listed for about a week and fingers are crossed for an offer soon.

I feel the smaller space, on top of the obvious financial benefits, is really going to afford us freedom of time (less to clean and maintain) and mental energy (getting rid of so much STUFF) and bring us closer as a family. I can't wait, but we are definitely getting some questioning or negative feedback from people who just don't get it. I'm trying to brush it off and remember we have to do what is right for our family, even if it's a little non-traditional.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2019, 07:49:26 AM »
Why on earth would anyone criticize you for making a sound financial decision for your family? That's beyond insane.

Your kids will be fine.

First, kids are resilient, they can adjust to almost anything as long as their needs are met and they're loved.

Second, caring about bigger houses is something adults get programmed to do, kids don't have their little egos tangled up in that nonsense.

If you demonstrate to them that there's reason to be happy in a smaller home, then they will feel happy as well. Plus this way you will raise kids who don't grow up with the stupid notion that the only acceptable dwelling for a family is a large detached house.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2019, 08:01:49 AM »
900 square feet is considered spacious in some countries. If most people in Hong Kong can raise well-adjusted multiple children in less than 900 square feet living spaces, then so can you!

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2019, 08:30:22 AM »
The plan seems sensible to me.

My only caveat is:  if you are in an area you really like and plan on being in long term, and housing hasn't historically taken big dips, make sure you don't accidentally get priced out of the area.

We sold our last house for a solid gain after being in it 6 years. It just sold again (after 3 years) for another big jump. If we wanted to get back into the same house we would be priced out of the neighborhood.

But if this isn't a long term house for you, then by all means, get out from under it and save money!

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2019, 09:12:14 AM »
Wow.  Seems like one of the saner ideas I’ve heard today. Kids care about the time and attention of mom and dad. Hard stop. You could put their beds in a closet and they’d be fine.

I think that the advice up thread is good: be careful not to get priced out of the market if you’re going to stay in the area and if you are set on homeownership for the long term.  Otherwise sounds like a good plan to knock out debt and boost savings.

Oh and welcome. A lot of us were or are DR fans. I like to think of DR as providing the HS diploma level     of personal finance. This is graduate school. Pleased to meet you.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2019, 03:56:03 PM »
We just downsized a couple months ago with two kids still at home. To be fair, we went from a 3,690 square foot clown house to a 1,642 square foot townhome (with large fenced patio), so it isn't 900 square feet but it was a dramatic change. We did it for multiple reasons but financial was a big part of it. We figured if we decide it is too small for us we can keep the townhome as a rental and find something a little bit bigger when they get older. Two months in and the kids are just fine in the smaller space. My husband and I are still adjusting to the smaller space, but the cash flow is so much better that we just can't argue with that.

Good luck, and not to care what other people think! We certainly had people in our lives who did not "get" what we did, but I don't really care what they think so it's fine.

I take the same position as @Buffalo Chip regarding DR being HS, MMM being grad school in personal finance. Welcome. :)

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2019, 07:16:42 AM »
I like the plan because your kids are young and still small. Couple years will not only allow you to figure out exactly what your needs will be but also time to really watch and play the housing market.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2019, 03:42:08 PM »
Downsizing absent a financial emergency sounds like giving up.  It’s not for me.  Raising your income to make up the difference would be easier than sending to your kids to an apartment.  Are the school systems comparable?  You don’t want to be moving to a bad school system too.

Of course I’ve publicly stated my goal is to buy a house bigger than my parents.  I might buy a smaller house now to save as a strategic move to better afford the bigger house next time.

Is your spouse excited about downsizing or are you pushing it?  You both need to be on the same page.  Don’t be cheap with the house.  It’s where you live.  If everyone doesn’t have the space they need it becomes claustrophobic real fast.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2019, 05:25:34 PM »
I have no idea whether your predictions about the housing market are correct or not, but I don't think downsizing is a bad idea at all. We currently live in an 840 square foot duplex with 3 kids. It's a not luxurious, but it's also totally fine. We save a lot on our mortgage, utilities, home repairs, etc. by living in a smaller space. We also don't feel tempted to buy as much stuff, because there is nowhere to put it.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2019, 05:16:59 AM »
Downsizing absent a financial emergency sounds like giving up.  It’s not for me.  Raising your income to make up the difference would be easier than sending to your kids to an apartment.  Are the school systems comparable?  You don’t want to be moving to a bad school system too.

Of course I’ve publicly stated my goal is to buy a house bigger than my parents.  I might buy a smaller house now to save as a strategic move to better afford the bigger house next time.

Is your spouse excited about downsizing or are you pushing it?  You both need to be on the same page.  Don’t be cheap with the house.  It’s where you live.  If everyone doesn’t have the space they need it becomes claustrophobic real fast.


My wife actually has been trying to convince me to downsize for a while. A few additional comments about our thinking. There is currently a shortage of housing in our area, which has caused sale prices to be well over the value of the house. Most houses are also selling about asking price usually within a few weeks. There is currently 200 new single family houses that will start building in next 90 days. Our thinking is there will be a large amount of houses hit the market due to many deciding to upgrade to the new houses. We also hope this will bring prices down when we start to look to buy.
We spend a lot of time outside our house having two very active kids. Most weekends we are only home for a few hours a day. While we know living in an apartment is not a long term plan, we believe it makes sense. In addition it will allow us to become completely debt free which brings a lot of relief.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2019, 06:50:37 AM »
Downsizing absent a financial emergency sounds like giving up.  It’s not for me.  Raising your income to make up the difference would be easier than sending to your kids to an apartment.  Are the school systems comparable?  You don’t want to be moving to a bad school system too.

Of course I’ve publicly stated my goal is to buy a house bigger than my parents.  I might buy a smaller house now to save as a strategic move to better afford the bigger house next time.

Is your spouse excited about downsizing or are you pushing it?  You both need to be on the same page.  Don’t be cheap with the house.  It’s where you live.  If everyone doesn’t have the space they need it becomes claustrophobic real fast.


My wife actually has been trying to convince me to downsize for a while. A few additional comments about our thinking. There is currently a shortage of housing in our area, which has caused sale prices to be well over the value of the house. Most houses are also selling about asking price usually within a few weeks. There is currently 200 new single family houses that will start building in next 90 days. Our thinking is there will be a large amount of houses hit the market due to many deciding to upgrade to the new houses. We also hope this will bring prices down when we start to look to buy.
We spend a lot of time outside our house having two very active kids. Most weekends we are only home for a few hours a day. While we know living in an apartment is not a long term plan, we believe it makes sense. In addition it will allow us to become completely debt free which brings a lot of relief.

Downsizing is not "giving up" and you aren't doing anything wrong by "sending your kids to an apartment". It's not prison.

I literally just sold my 3 story townhouse and downsized to a one bedroom apartment, and no, it wasn't a financial emergency, I could easily afford a home twice the size of my old townhouse.

I bought an apartment because I prefer it, because I've wanted one since I was a kid and visited family in a major city who lived in a cool high-rise apartment with an indoor pool and a great view from the balcony.

Just because other people have "bigger is better" values doesn't mean you have to.

I'm currently sitting in a big luxury home that a very wealthy friend just bought exactly when I bought my apartment. It's beautiful and the wine cellar is a nice feature, but I would never ever ever ever choose to switch houses even if I could do so at the same cost.

Different people have different tastes and different priorities.
I prefer my concrete sky box.

Now, that said, you say that you know living in an apartment is not a long term plan, so that doesn't sound like you want to live in an apartment. What do you want?

If what you want long term is the kind of house you have now, then I would just stay put if you can readily afford it. Seriously. Having just bought and sold, that shit is so ridiculously expensive, your market would have to drop just for you to break even on the costs of selling, moving, buying, and moving again.

Major housing development doesn't typically drop prices, it can cool or slow a market, but it can also just help it chug right along.

Think about it, do you really think that a new housing development will have so enormous a negative impact on the market that someone who buys this year will end up underwater on their mortgage next year?

Houses don't tend to frequently/predictably lose a lot of value, and you're proposing that all of the houses in your area will substantially drop in value just because someone builds 200 units?? Does that actually sound like something that you could easily predict???

If your goal is to hop in and out of real estate in some houseing-market-timing scheme, then I seriously doubt that you will come out ahead, and may price yourself out of your own market and lose your opportunity to affordably own the home you want/already have.

If your goal is to save money by living smaller with your family and really embracing a more minimalist and frugal lifestyle while enjoying all of the benefits of apartment living, then that's a different matter altogether.

Whether this move is brilliant or insane really depends on what you want from it.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2019, 06:29:28 PM »
I see nothing wrong with your plan. Kids can share a room.

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Re: Question about downsizing with kids
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2019, 02:26:02 PM »
Our house is barely bigger than the apartment you are eyeing and only then because there is a garage conversion to add an extra bed and bath. We just brought home our third kid and I admit that things are getting tight, but mainly because the kids all sleep poorly and wake each other up screaming in the middle of the night. Otherwise I think sharing a room is a great idea.

I also suspect that the new houses being built are already priced into the market. It’s not like people who want to buy don’t know that new houses are being built. Sell if it makes sense and rent if it makes sense.
If it allows you to save 50% and not deal with the hassles of home ownership then I think that sounds like a winner winner chicken dinner.

 

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