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« Reply #100 on: January 20, 2024, 10:34:01 AM »
With regards week 2, I feel like I'm ahead of the game with the exercises. I'm all about savouring experiences! The habit of stopping and taking account of a joyful moment is deeply ingrained in me. And I've been keeping a gratitude journal on-and-off for years.

Which is good, because I feel like I didn't use many of my strengths much last week. I am a little confused how you go about using 'Fairness' in day-to-day life.

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« Reply #101 on: January 20, 2024, 11:55:12 AM »
With regards week 2, I feel like I'm ahead of the game with the exercises. I'm all about savouring experiences! The habit of stopping and taking account of a joyful moment is deeply ingrained in me. And I've been keeping a gratitude journal on-and-off for years.

Which is good, because I feel like I didn't use many of my strengths much last week. I am a little confused how you go about using 'Fairness' in day-to-day life.

If you download the app, it gives you access to a lot more information, including suggestions for exercising all of the various strengths.

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« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2024, 07:39:32 AM »
I laughed. And learned a new word.

Now I just need to learn a joke so I can tell it and say the same.

That aside, I think the problem with spirituality in the questionaire is that they always asked for your faith. "my faith makes what I am".
That is of course BS for an Atheist, especially when thinking about the white bearded imaginary friend in the clouds.
However spirituality (in the psychological sense) is different than that. For example you can feel "unity with the world around you" without any religion. The main problem is that everyone defines spirituality different though.

As a German I of course need to cite Goethe's Faust here:

„Kein persönlicher Gott mehr, keine Konfession, keine Glaubensgemeinschaft, keine Kirche, keine damit verbundene sittliche Weltordnung – aber das Gefühl einer Allheit und Allverbundenheit, emotionale Übereinstimmung mit dem Weltganzen, das Absolute als Chiffre für die Liebe.“

"No more personal God, no denomination, no community of faith, no church, no associated moral world order - but the feeling of allness and all-connectedness, emotional agreement with the world as a whole, the absolute as a cipher for love."

I totally agree. I had to stop and reframe the questions in my head as not being about a *religion* but the bigger concept of connectedness. My personal version of spirituality is very ontological, very much focused on the interconnectedness of nature, and heavily informed by the Indigenous influences from my childhood where a rock has as much spirit as a human, and where you can have as much of a relationship with a body of water as you can with another person.

Human-centered spirituality is quite young compared to more ontological versions.

I really enjoyed in my linguistics degree studying the structure of a lot of Canadian Indigenous languages, especially how it puts ontological spirituality at the very center of their way of thinking.

A lot of the languages don't really have nouns for a lot of things. Like eyeball isn't a body part, it's the "round thing that allows you to witness the divine event of the sun rising daily." In English that sounds long and cumbersome, but in the language the concept of "witness the divine event of the sun rising" is such a foundational concept that it's a tiny little word segment that can be thrown into any word that involves seeing of any sort.
That all definitely makes sense, and can certainly intellectually rationalize re-interpreting the questions to align with some other version of outside-myself-ness, but even those don’t feel spiritual to me.

I guess I relate closer to the Romantics’ idea of the sublime as a kind of out of body experience of aesthetic awe - that’s what I feel both in beautiful natural settings and even more so around extraordinary artifacts of human achievement (the glaciers and volcano in Iceland were amazing but somehow the Duomo in Milan more so?). But even this feeling is very individual; it does not feel like “emotional agreement with the world as a whole” - I don’t think I’ve ever really had that. The closest I can remember is suddenly being overwhelmed at my wedding by the idea that generations and generations of Jewish people before me also stood under a huppah and said similar words to each other - but what moves me there is man-made history rather than the power of some external force.

In any case, I don’t want to think of myself as spiritual and prefer a term closer to aesthete. But maybe I’m overthinking a 10-minute personality quiz.

I have also had that feeling of overwhelming awe of beauty and the sublime, mostly at natural places, with music, but also esp when a child in church, the hushed group of people, the smell of the incense and chanting and chanting along, very moving. Part of that feeling of awe, does feel like a sense of feeling connected to something larger (esp live music, group setting) but maybe that's just the way my brain interprets it. Other times esp in nature, or like in water, the awe feels more like a sense of tinyness, I am so small but still is a feeling of deep meaning.

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« Reply #103 on: January 21, 2024, 07:44:12 AM »
With regards week 2, I feel like I'm ahead of the game with the exercises. I'm all about savouring experiences! The habit of stopping and taking account of a joyful moment is deeply ingrained in me. And I've been keeping a gratitude journal on-and-off for years.

Which is good, because I feel like I didn't use many of my strengths much last week. I am a little confused how you go about using 'Fairness' in day-to-day life.

I am behind on you all! I found this thread last night and did week 1. Maybe I'll do week 2 today, so I can catch up.
What is weird, before I even read this post, thinking this morning, that an only constant is change. We had 9/11, we had the stock market crash, Covid, Ukraine vs Russia and now a middle east conflict (and many many personal events in between). That these things are not if but when, and to capture the good times, and the clear moments when you can.

I am not an especial fan of personality type surveys, esp as I know how much prior info, instructions can influence reponses, but mine are:
My scores: Overall Well-Being = 6.19

Your Authentic Happiness Score is:  3
My top 5 strengths are: Appreciation of beauty and Excellence
Love
Fairness
Curiosity
humility

Least strong traits:
self regulation
judgement
zest,
perservance.

the perservarance one esp was hard for me to answer. Objectively speaking, I have accomplished a lot. But I am also very much aware of the things I want to do, that I have not done or finished. I can sometimes work on many things at once, and then the things that float to the top get done, while other things languish. I have had sharp feelings of disappointment in the past of those unfinished projects. Now that I'm older, I feel, like, it's the nature of things.
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« Reply #104 on: January 21, 2024, 09:04:24 AM »
Re: historical events, I found it interesting that the average well being score for Americans in the 1940s (peak WW2) was higher than more recently.  People who were dealing with family members being drafted/sent off to war, food rationing, etc. were apparently happier than we are now.  Would be interesting to know how representative those samples were, I guess.

Re: perseverance, I think it is one of those traits that our cultural background leads us to valorize, and in some contexts it is a good thing.  The human who kept trying throwing different seeds in the ground until they ended up with edible grains?  Thank you for sticking with that.  The people who ran all sorts of experiments until they found the breakthroughs that now make our lives substantially better?  Thanks for that, too.  But do we need to valorize somebody's ability to keep writing TSP reports that never get read or used in any meaningful decision?  Or someone who toughs it out in a toxic relationship because they think that is what is expected of them and necessary?  Not so much.  Maybe one of the things that brings a lot of us here/to the FIRE community is that we have a better sense of what is worth persevering FOR.  Except those crazy folk in the multi-million OMY club. 

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« Reply #105 on: January 21, 2024, 09:40:34 AM »
Re: historical events, I found it interesting that the average well being score for Americans in the 1940s (peak WW2) was higher than more recently.  People who were dealing with family members being drafted/sent off to war, food rationing, etc. were apparently happier than we are now.  Would be interesting to know how representative those samples were, I guess.

Makes sense to me.  In "shared disaster" times like that, you get an increased sense of community.  You volunteer more.  You stay in closer contact with friends and family.  Probably the people most closely affected by the draft, death, etc. weren't happier, but overall?  I can believe it.

I remember very fondly a natural disaster where, among other things, my town was without power for almost a week, so the number of people affected was very high.  I was well supported by friends, my family reached out to make sure I was okay, I supported my friends.  I volunteered.  Hung out with people I normally wouldn't.  Enjoyed quiet reading and reflection time.  Listened to my solar-powered radio for community updates.  I was happy.

The pandemic was different, since we were encouraged to interact with people at a distance, which (at least personally) lead to a lot less happiness.

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« Reply #106 on: January 21, 2024, 10:11:44 AM »
If you download the app, it gives you access to a lot more information, including suggestions for exercising all of the various strengths.

Possibly I am being foolish, but I can't find a related app? I wandered around the VIA website for a while though, and found a couple of blog posts on using strengths.

With regards disaster, there's a 'life cycle' of emotional impact - the positive bit is near the start, as people engage in heroics and communities pull together, but it doesn't really last.

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« Reply #107 on: January 21, 2024, 10:36:45 AM »
Re: historical events, I found it interesting that the average well being score for Americans in the 1940s (peak WW2) was higher than more recently.  People who were dealing with family members being drafted/sent off to war, food rationing, etc. were apparently happier than we are now.  Would be interesting to know how representative those samples were, I guess.

Makes sense to me.  In "shared disaster" times like that, you get an increased sense of community.  You volunteer more.  You stay in closer contact with friends and family.  Probably the people most closely affected by the draft, death, etc. weren't happier, but overall?  I can believe it.

I remember very fondly a natural disaster where, among other things, my town was without power for almost a week, so the number of people affected was very high.  I was well supported by friends, my family reached out to make sure I was okay, I supported my friends.  I volunteered.  Hung out with people I normally wouldn't.  Enjoyed quiet reading and reflection time.  Listened to my solar-powered radio for community updates.  I was happy.


I feel similarly when there’s a big snowfall and many help shovel their neighbor’s sidewalks, or the driveways of elderly neighbors. That sense of community flourishes during shared struggle.

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« Reply #108 on: January 21, 2024, 11:13:01 AM »
Possibly I am being foolish, but I can't find a related app?

It's mentioned in Week 1 in the Rewirement Tracking module. The app name is Pattern Health and module includes details of how to log in.

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« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2024, 09:55:10 AM »
Week 3 coursework completed! Homework is to do acts of kindness and/or social connection 7 times this upcoming week. Ok that might be a little hard for me as I'm kinda working on personal projects this week but I will keep my eyes peeled for opportunities. Most interesting part of the coursework this week for me was talking about reference points and how we select who to compare ourselves to. Again not surprisingly reminds me of MMM and how he encourages us to realize how fortunate we are and to practice optimism and this quote from MMM that I really like: "Happiness comes from many sources, but none of these sources involve car or purse upgrades."  See you all in a week!

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« Reply #110 on: January 23, 2024, 10:03:06 AM »
Still on Week 2 here, but it's going well and I am enjoying savoring and gratitude-ing.

Met up with a friend and took our dog on a winter walk through the woods. (My dog is never happier than when there is snow on the ground to roll in.)

At one point, my dog turned to face me and friend. He lifted a leg and peed on the side of the trail, beaming happiness at the both of us, as if to say "Isn't it a great day to be alive?!"

Hard to beat.

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« Reply #111 on: January 26, 2024, 07:09:10 AM »
Yes I am just starting the savoring, gratitude week. I do often try to jot down a few notes before bed; will try to make it a habit even if just a few lines. The winter birds have arrived and they always cheer me up singing, hopping about, etc. Dark eyed juncos and cardinals are regulars in my yard.

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« Reply #112 on: January 26, 2024, 07:41:27 AM »
I haven't been cheered up by jncos since the 90s.

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« Reply #113 on: January 26, 2024, 07:43:56 AM »
The savoring and gratitude week has gone quite well. I think I already was basically doing savoring quite a bit anyway in my regular life - something I taught myself from previous forays into the "better living" space. But I think it's good to be reminded about how key metacognition is - noticing that you're savoring something and staying mindful about it is equally important to actually finding something to savor.

Things I've savored this week include a really gorgeous and odd-looking sunrise (a purple sky full of tiny cumulus clouds all tinged orange-pink - something out of a fantasy novel), a very fun walk with the family on a cold sunny day, laughing our heads off at an Improvised Shakespeare Company show (always an absolutely brilliant evening - strong recommend if they ever come to your neck of the woods), and how good my homemade granola came out this time.

I'm less good at writing down my gratitude, but we talk a lot about things we are thankful for at home, so I feel like I've sort of fulfilled that part of the week's homework?

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« Reply #114 on: January 26, 2024, 07:45:42 AM »
I haven't been cheered up by jncos since the 90s.

Oh my god, I begged my parents for those hideous pants! Jncos and jamz were the height of summer camp fashion. Thank goodness my mom said absolutely not.

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« Reply #115 on: January 26, 2024, 07:59:58 AM »
I haven't been cheered up by jncos since the 90s.

Oh my god, I begged my parents for those hideous pants! Jncos and jamz were the height of summer camp fashion. Thank goodness my mom said absolutely not.

They can still be yours today!


https://jnco.com/collections/mens/products/thug-50-dark-stone

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« Reply #116 on: January 26, 2024, 08:07:54 AM »
I think I'll just savor the image instead :)

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« Reply #117 on: January 26, 2024, 08:23:37 AM »
I haven't been cheered up by jncos since the 90s.

Oh my god, I begged my parents for those hideous pants! Jncos and jamz were the height of summer camp fashion. Thank goodness my mom said absolutely not.

They can still be yours today!


https://jnco.com/collections/mens/products/thug-50-dark-stone

I wanted those so badly when I was 15.

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« Reply #118 on: January 26, 2024, 08:27:06 AM »
I haven't been cheered up by jncos since the 90s.

Oh my god, I begged my parents for those hideous pants! Jncos and jamz were the height of summer camp fashion. Thank goodness my mom said absolutely not.

They can still be yours today!


https://jnco.com/collections/mens/products/thug-50-dark-stone

I wanted those so badly when I was 15.

At first glance they seem silly . . . but thinking about it further, they're kinda a modern take on the traditional Japanese hakama.




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« Reply #119 on: January 26, 2024, 01:25:04 PM »
I did this course 3 years ago and it shifted my perspective of many things. I hope you guys will also enjoy the the experience

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« Reply #120 on: January 29, 2024, 06:07:58 AM »
I haven't been cheered up by jncos since the 90s.

Oh my god, I begged my parents for those hideous pants! Jncos and jamz were the height of summer camp fashion. Thank goodness my mom said absolutely not.

In my day it was Gloria Vanderbilt (which we called Gloria isn'tbuilt) and Calvin kleins, with Levis never going out of style. I remember being proud of my first GV, walking around making sure my shirt was tucked in so people could see the back pockets! What possessed us back then, I don't know. 

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« Reply #121 on: January 29, 2024, 06:16:47 AM »
My course got slightly derailed in that I got COVID and so I wasn't keeping up on anything except taking 2 hour naps and watching bad tv on the couch.
I realize with my habit of journaling, I have been doing things similar to this. Tho I have been so busy with house stuff sometimes all it is a download of a to do list.
I really want to SHIFT. Things I am grateful for. In addition to modern medicines and hot showers, that I have a couple conditions that could have been disabling or life ending but weren't as bad as they could have been.

I have a friend who is both himself an esteem poet, and daily posts a beautiful poem by other poets. They are so beautiful and consciousness expanding

I was going to share one but I dk if I have rights to, but the first 2 lines are

Too many people to say hello to anyone starts the day
pale green cargo van through January gray on Millbrook

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« Reply #122 on: January 29, 2024, 07:40:13 AM »
I am behind in the course, but for very good reasons -- been helping some family and friends with urgent downsizing/decluttering tasks.  Won't go into the details here, but suffice to say that offering this kind of help has been incredibly rewarding to me in addition to being a great help to some people who otherwise would have been overwhelmed by the task.  Feels good to be making a difference for some people I care about!

I'll get back to the coursework when I have a bit more time.  Or not.  Even just a few weeks in I have learned a lot and started to modify my behaviour/daily habits in ways that are making me much happier/healthier than I was just a few weeks ago.


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« Reply #123 on: January 29, 2024, 12:50:09 PM »
I'm on Week 3, which talks a lot about the importance of reference points and comparisons. This was really valuable information to me. Despite having made a conscious choice to take my career in the direction of lower pay for lower stress, I still get aggravated when I hear how much other people--other people who could be me--are making. And that's because salaries and titles are easy to compare. Too bad we don't also publish statistics on hours worked, ill health from stress and sitting all day, commute times, strained relationships, etc. because it would be a lot easier to stay aware of my true wealth.

Anyway I have really been diving into the whole gratitude thing and it's very effective and kind of feeds on itself. And I realized that we can also help others to feel grateful, and this can be a great act of kindness. This morning I was waiting at the vet clinic and remembering when my dog was a puppy--I had him with me in a bookstore, and an older lady, very similar in looks and voice to Toni Morrison, gazed at him for the longest time, and then leaned in and said very slowly, "You are so fortunate." It made such an impression on me. I mean of course I adored my puppy and felt lucky to have him, but the way she said it, I realized what a luxury it is to have the time and money and living situation that will allow you to have a happy life with a dog. What if you couldn't afford it? What if you couldn't find housing that allowed pets? What if you had a family member who didn't like dogs, or was allergic? What if you had health problems that prevented you from being able to care for a dog? That woman gave me a great gift with her simple words.

I guess so far the class is really basically just stoicism repackaged, but it's a good way to spend some time revisiting the concepts.

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« Reply #124 on: January 29, 2024, 12:58:20 PM »

I guess so far the class is really basically just stoicism repackaged, but it's a good way to spend some time revisiting the concepts.

I would say that it's more like scientific validation of a lot of stoicism and wisdom that older cultures didn't need quantitative research to understand, lol.

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« Reply #125 on: January 30, 2024, 07:40:30 AM »
Week 4 coursework completed! Homework is to exercise and get a good nights sleep. For me an easy assignment as one of my surprise benefits of FIRE was how I now had the time to do these 2 things routinely. Focus in lecture this week was on strategies on how to overcome hedonic adaptation. As one can tell from my prior posts I feel the professor and this class really pair nicely with the MMM view for the majority of time so that made her Amazon prime shopping example so jarring. Wow. But as usual mostly good messages, savor what you have, seek experiences over expensive things, feel gratitude etc. etc. See you all next week!

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« Reply #126 on: February 02, 2024, 07:55:21 AM »
*sorry long post but NYT Wellness letter had this about savouring so I wanted to share


How to savor life like an astronaut


By Jancee Dunn


Mike Massimino used to complain about the weather when he was growing up outside New York City. Then he went to outer space.

“In space, there is no weather,” he told me. “No atmosphere. No seasons. Nothing.”

And he missed it all. His new book, “Moonshot: A NASA Astronaut’s Guide to Achieving the Impossible,” is about what he learned as a veteran of two spaceflights. One big lesson was what he took for granted back home.

Now, even on the wettest, muggiest days, he enjoys the feel of rain on his face. “It’s a reminder that the planet is alive,” he said, “and how lucky I am to be on this planet.”

In other words, Massimino now takes the time to savor.

Savoring is the process of bringing mindful attention and awareness to the positive things in life, said Patrick R. Harrison, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, who researches the topic.

And making a habit of savoring everything from small moments, like holding your partner’s hand in a movie, to major life events like watching a child graduate from high school, can yield mental health benefits, from increasing resilience to reducing stress.

You don’t have to go to outer space to appreciate the good parts of your life, though. Here’s how to do it.

Pause to notice details and sensations.

Try to fix a moment in your mind by labeling it, said Fred Bryant, a professor of social psychology at Loyola University Chicago who has researched savoring for nearly a half-century. Psychologists call this “encoding.” Tune into your senses, he said, and ask yourself: What positive sensations am I feeling right now? Why is this moment important to me? What do I see or hear?

“You can’t freeze a moment,” Dr. Bryant said. “But you can do the next best thing, which is to build a powerful memory of it.”

Dr. Harrison made an effort to label his experience when he recently became a father. While his wife was in labor, a nurse volunteered to hang up a string of twinkly lights in the hospital room.

“It was the middle of the night, and I noted how peaceful it was, and took in the soft glow of the lights, the warmth of my wife’s hand as I held it, how grateful I was to be with her in the room,” Dr. Harrison said.

Step out for a moment.

When Dr. Bryant realizes that he’s immersed in something that he should savor, like a birthday celebration, he will get up and leave.

“I will walk out of a restaurant and stand in the parking lot for a minute,” he said. He takes a moment to view the sight of his loved ones from a distance, then goes back in. Pulling back, even briefly, gives him instant perspective and deepens his appreciation.

I did this accidentally at a recent dinner with my parents. I went out to my car to retrieve my phone, and as I returned, I saw my folks, husband and kid laughing together in the dining room. Remember this, I thought.

Share good news.

If you receive happy news, Dr. Harrison said, contact a loved one and relish it together. This form of savoring is known as capitalizing, and it can help prolong positive feelings.

I used to go on “distress walks” when I had problems. But now, when I get a bit of good news, I revel in it by going on a “savoring walk” and calling one of my sisters or a friend.

Practice ‘mental time travel.’

Savoring isn’t limited to experiences that are happening right now. You can also try something called “mental time travel,” Dr. Bryant said, by focusing on the future or the past.

Dr. Bryant amps up his appreciation for the present by imagining himself in the future, pining for his current life. He has a 7-year-old granddaughter, and sometimes he’ll pretend that she is all grown up, has moved away, “and that I would give anything, just for one more day with her,” he said. Then he opens his eyes and tells himself that his wish is granted.

“I’m seeing her later today,” he said.

For Massimino’s part, he makes a daily practice of savoring everything he missed in space. He loves going to ballgames, being surrounded by a crowd (“space can be incredibly lonely”) and hearing the sound of birds.

“I even like the sound of car horns now,” he said.

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« Reply #127 on: February 02, 2024, 09:10:05 AM »
I started, but I don't know if I'll be able to keep up because I'm taking some other classes for a degree. This might end up a backburner thing I do in a couple months.

Strengths Top 5
Curiosity
Honesty
Judgement
Bravery - I think this one might be skewed
Perspective

Bottom 5
Zest
Social Intelligence
Teamwork
Humor
Perseverance

I think my teamwork score is based on getting out of a toxic job earlier this year. My group loyalty for that nonsense is way down. Same with my perseverance score. I'm leaning into jettisoning some "shoulds" that don't match what makes me happy and being willing to explore without making myself finish things I don't want. It's a good time to embrace quitting things I don't value.

I'm not surprised by Zest either. I'm excited about life, but I'm not particularly high energy at the moment.

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« Reply #128 on: February 02, 2024, 09:48:16 AM »
Love that bit about weather from the article above! It's one of the best bits of having a dog that loves walks. I get to really appreciate every season for different reasons.

Week 3 is showing me something about my socialness that I hadn't really considered. All the suggestions for acts of kindness are "buy a coworker a coffee", "give change to a homeless person"... ie things that rely upon you having physical encounters with other people. Working from home, my most reliable social connections are my partner and dog in my house. We see neighbors out sometimes... I have calls with some coworkers... but it's not the same. Even tonight! Our Friday night plans are to play mario kart with friends and catch up... ONLINE.

As a massive introvert, this mostly feels fine to me! But it shows that my regular visits to the library and our walks to our family's house a few blocks away are more special than I'd considered. 

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« Reply #129 on: February 02, 2024, 09:55:53 AM »
Love that bit about weather from the article above! It's one of the best bits of having a dog that loves walks. I get to really appreciate every season for different reasons.

Week 3 is showing me something about my socialness that I hadn't really considered. All the suggestions for acts of kindness are "buy a coworker a coffee", "give change to a homeless person"... ie things that rely upon you having physical encounters with other people. Working from home, my most reliable social connections are my partner and dog in my house. We see neighbors out sometimes... I have calls with some coworkers... but it's not the same. Even tonight! Our Friday night plans are to play mario kart with friends and catch up... ONLINE.

As a massive introvert, this mostly feels fine to me! But it shows that my regular visits to the library and our walks to our family's house a few blocks away are more special than I'd considered.

I'm a hardcore extrovert and most of my meaningful interactions with people are virtual.

I interact casually with the hundreds of people in my highrise, but that's pretty minimal in terms of valuable contact.

That said, I do prefer my time in Newfoundland where I spend A LOT more time in person having meaningful interactions, but that could be because I just like Newfies more.

But yeah, here I have a private balcony, while there I have a deck. If I'm outside there, it's just a matter of time before someone notices and comes by to sit down and talk with me, and probably tell me their life story.

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« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2024, 12:01:15 PM »
Got a massage yesterday. Not only was that something to savor (it not only feels incredibly good but relieves my pretty much chronic pain in neck and back) it prompted a conversation with the therapist. That essentially if you are using poor poster 10 + hours of the day, even doing yoga 20 min a day is not going to "fix" that. And incorporating both new changes (squatting, moving different ways) as well as doing body checks and body awareness is something that children have, that we need to keep or regain.

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« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2024, 12:30:59 PM »
That essentially if you are using poor poster 10 + hours of the day, even doing yoga 20 min a day is not going to "fix" that. And incorporating both new changes (squatting, moving different ways) as well as doing body checks and body awareness is something that children have, that we need to keep or regain.

As people age they lose the ability to move in ways that they do not regularly move.  This isn't a natural or inevitable thing . . . it's just that our society has decided that old folks should only sit, stand, and lay down.  Some types of sports can really help with this (yoga being a good one . . . and I find jiu-jitsu is surprisingly good too), but really you want to be thinking of ways to move your body in funny ways every day.  Try squatting on your heels above the grass instead of sitting down on a park bench, hang from the monkey bars the next time you pass the kids playground in the middle of the day, hug your knee to your chest occasionally as you're sitting in your office chair, do a backwards summersault before you get out of bed in the morning, climb a tree or small retaining rock wall while on a hike (or go for a hike!), walk up/down a steep slope, etc.  Just occasionally practicing a whole variety of movement patterns makes you much stronger, more flexible, and keeps you from that old age stiffness that seems to be a death knell for so many.

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« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2024, 01:05:40 PM »
Backwards summersault? Are you telling people to kill themselves???

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« Reply #133 on: February 02, 2024, 01:10:56 PM »
Backwards summersault? Are you telling people to kill themselves???

GuitarStv has an exceptionally able-bodied lens through which he perceives the world. It's cute, I enjoy reading his perspective on physical activity and knowing it would probably kill me.

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« Reply #134 on: February 02, 2024, 01:36:04 PM »
You guys don't do somersaults?

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« Reply #135 on: February 02, 2024, 01:40:02 PM »
You guys don't do somersaults?

Dude...no...and my physiotherapist would slap me if I tried. 

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« Reply #136 on: February 02, 2024, 01:42:06 PM »
You guys don't do somersaults?

I haven't done a somersault since I took Gymnastics in 3rd grade.

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« Reply #137 on: February 02, 2024, 01:57:19 PM »
I'm enjoying the course so far, although I think I'd prefer a different format like a podcast or a book. I haven't been very good about keeping up with the rewire homeworks, although I have been trying to practice "savoring" a bit more, and I think that's been nice.

The material on "miswanting" and hedonic adaptation wasn't necessarily new to me, but it's been a nice reminder. I'm at a life stage where perhaps my biggest challenge is figuring out what I really want out of the rest of my life.

The insight I got from last week's material is that instead of putting lots of effort into achieving the "perfect life", I should put more effort into loving the life I have. Because if I'm not happy with the life I have, I probably won't be any happier once I've achieved the things I thought would make life "perfect."

I suppose the financial angle to the same insight is instead of putting effort into obtaining a fancier lifestyle, put your effort into being satisfied with your current (or even reduced) lifestyle. Because if you're not satisfied with your current lifestyle, you won't be satisfied at an inflated lifestyle.


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« Reply #138 on: February 02, 2024, 03:08:20 PM »
Serendip, thanks for posting that about the astronaut. It's really interesting to me because my whole life long I have always been mystified by people who want to go to outer space. I always think it sounds horrible because what I like is cups of tea and sleeping dogs and the smell of the woods. The texture and rhythms of life on Earth are what interests me. And for the same reason have no use for the concept of heaven. I like it right here, thanks.

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« Reply #139 on: February 09, 2024, 10:02:08 AM »
Week 5 complete (a few days late as I caught Covid for the first time, a super dodger no longer, sigh, but happy to be feeling better today). Focus this week was on acts of kindness, social connection, meditation, exercise, appropriate levels of sleep and, the one perhaps most consistent with us MMM folk, time affluence and the act of prioritizing your time over money.  I thought it was especially good this week and I really enjoyed the two guest interviews.

Also thank you to the astronaut story in this thread - one of the many reasons I enjoy backpacking is this reset of letting you now, upon return to "real" life, now more easily savor/appreciate things many take for granted (a roof over your head, drinking water whenever you want it, a real kitchen, bathroom etc.). I would imagine this is even more pronounced for an astronaut.

See you all next week!

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« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2024, 09:27:36 PM »
Serendip, thanks for posting that about the astronaut. It's really interesting to me because my whole life long I have always been mystified by people who want to go to outer space. I always think it sounds horrible because what I like is cups of tea and sleeping dogs and the smell of the woods. The texture and rhythms of life on Earth are what interests me. And for the same reason have no use for the concept of heaven. I like it right here, thanks.

I agree @Cannot Wait! --so much beauty in these textures and experiences that we get to live with and through.  Space never appealed to me either.

A friend and I went to a sauna yesterday and I relished the moment...wood & heat & a view of trees. Simple and earthy.

Also agree with you @somers515  that backpacking really helps one appreciate the simple things like a hot shower :)


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« Reply #141 on: February 10, 2024, 06:07:35 AM »
Serendip, thanks for posting that about the astronaut. It's really interesting to me because my whole life long I have always been mystified by people who want to go to outer space. I always think it sounds horrible because what I like is cups of tea and sleeping dogs and the smell of the woods. The texture and rhythms of life on Earth are what interests me. And for the same reason have no use for the concept of heaven. I like it right here, thanks.

I agree @Cannot Wait! --so much beauty in these textures and experiences that we get to live with and through.  Space never appealed to me either.

A friend and I went to a sauna yesterday and I relished the moment...wood & heat & a view of trees. Simple and earthy.

Also agree with you @somers515  that backpacking really helps one appreciate the simple things like a hot shower :)

It's so true.

I used to be a chef and when anyone asks me what the best meal I've ever had in my life was, I don't even hesitate to think about it: bratwurst served on buns with nothing on them.

I was about 9 and had been out in the woods helping neighbours build a log cabin for many hours, it was early spring, there was still snow on the ground.

My dad and I had just met these new neighbours the day before and volunteered to help them. So there we all are, absolutely physically exhausted and I start smelling the best smell ever. I had never had bratwurst, and in that moment is was the most delicious thing I had ever, ever tasted, sitting around an open fire with new friends in the freezing cold, after a long day of hard labour.

The context of an experience is as or more important than the content of the experience.

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« Reply #142 on: February 10, 2024, 12:20:19 PM »


The context of an experience is as or more important than the content of the experience.

Absolutely and I also notice that my best, most vivid memories are of times when I was more exposed to the elements, a little less cocooned in modern comfort--especially times when I was a little cold. Washing my face in the morning in the uninsulated bunkhouse of the ranch I was working on when I was 17. Smelling the woodsmoke in my dog's thick, cold fur after raking leaves. So much so that that, more than cost savings, is the reason I try to wait as long as possible to turn the heat on in the fall. It just makes me feel a little more alive.

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« Reply #143 on: February 10, 2024, 12:28:08 PM »


The context of an experience is as or more important than the content of the experience.

Absolutely and I also notice that my best, most vivid memories are of times when I was more exposed to the elements, a little less cocooned in modern comfort--especially times when I was a little cold. Washing my face in the morning in the uninsulated bunkhouse of the ranch I was working on when I was 17. Smelling the woodsmoke in my dog's thick, cold fur after raking leaves. So much so that that, more than cost savings, is the reason I try to wait as long as possible to turn the heat on in the fall. It just makes me feel a little more alive.

Yep, this is why DH and I make a point of going outside in brutally cold weather. Everything about the experience of being outside is heightened by extreme cold, awareness of self, body, the air, movement. Hell, even sound travels differently in extreme cold. It's just incredibly easy to be in the moment.

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« Reply #144 on: February 10, 2024, 12:49:10 PM »
I used to be a chef and when anyone asks me what the best meal I've ever had in my life was, I don't even hesitate to think about it: bratwurst served on buns with nothing on them.

The context of an experience is as or more important than the content of the experience.
Nonono, you have to put mustard on the Bratwurst. Bautzner Mittelscharf. But not too much, just that the mouth-watering tastiness of the Bratwurst combined with the crispiness of the fresh bun get's a little bit of punch to it.

There is a reason why this - the combination of bread and sausage - is Germany's most liked street food. Trust us on those two topics ;)

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« Reply #145 on: February 10, 2024, 12:54:34 PM »
I used to be a chef and when anyone asks me what the best meal I've ever had in my life was, I don't even hesitate to think about it: bratwurst served on buns with nothing on them.

The context of an experience is as or more important than the content of the experience.
Nonono, you have to put mustard on the Bratwurst. Bautzner Mittelscharf. But not too much, just that the mouth-watering tastiness of the Bratwurst combined with the crispiness of the fresh bun get's a little bit of punch to it.

There is a reason why this - the combination of bread and sausage - is Germany's most liked street food. Trust us on those two topics ;)

That was kind of a key part of the point I was making, that the food wasn't ideal, the context made it the best meal ever.

I obviously would never choose a bratwurst on plain bread, nor would I ever choose a sausage as my favourite meal. That meal in that context was the most delicious I had ever had.

Hence the last line of my post.

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« Reply #146 on: February 11, 2024, 01:23:12 AM »
I used to be a chef and when anyone asks me what the best meal I've ever had in my life was, I don't even hesitate to think about it: bratwurst served on buns with nothing on them.

The context of an experience is as or more important than the content of the experience.
Nonono, you have to put mustard on the Bratwurst. Bautzner Mittelscharf. But not too much, just that the mouth-watering tastiness of the Bratwurst combined with the crispiness of the fresh bun get's a little bit of punch to it.

There is a reason why this - the combination of bread and sausage - is Germany's most liked street food. Trust us on those two topics ;)

That was kind of a key part of the point I was making, that the food wasn't ideal, the context made it the best meal ever.

I obviously would never choose a bratwurst on plain bread, nor would I ever choose a sausage as my favourite meal. That meal in that context was the most delicious I had ever had.

Hence the last line of my post.
I know. But I could not waste this opportunity that we Germans are patriotic, even if we aren't far righters, who claim that only for themselvs.

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« Reply #147 on: February 11, 2024, 05:54:33 AM »
I used to be a chef and when anyone asks me what the best meal I've ever had in my life was, I don't even hesitate to think about it: bratwurst served on buns with nothing on them.

The context of an experience is as or more important than the content of the experience.
Nonono, you have to put mustard on the Bratwurst. Bautzner Mittelscharf. But not too much, just that the mouth-watering tastiness of the Bratwurst combined with the crispiness of the fresh bun get's a little bit of punch to it.

There is a reason why this - the combination of bread and sausage - is Germany's most liked street food. Trust us on those two topics ;)

That was kind of a key part of the point I was making, that the food wasn't ideal, the context made it the best meal ever.

I obviously would never choose a bratwurst on plain bread, nor would I ever choose a sausage as my favourite meal. That meal in that context was the most delicious I had ever had.

Hence the last line of my post.
I know. But I could not waste this opportunity that we Germans are patriotic, even if we aren't far righters, who claim that only for themselvs.

Lol, I have a lot of German friends, and yes, I totally understand the particularly German compulsion to tell people the right way to do German things...or anything really. Ha!

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« Reply #148 on: February 11, 2024, 05:23:42 PM »
Just stated today

Working on the strength exercise. My is creativity, curiosity, learning, kindness, honesty. Its going ti be interesting to find new way to use it this week

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« Reply #149 on: February 13, 2024, 08:37:25 AM »
Week 6 done (back to my regular do-my-coursework-on-Tuesdays schedule). Focus this week was on now that we know what will actually make us happier how can we actually put it into action. Part of this week's course reminded me of the Getting Things Done method (take a goal, break it down into manageable tasks and set up a method to track those tasks so you will be prompted to do them at the appropriate time, freeing up your mind to focus on the here and now).  It was interesting to hear a different way of approaching it, the focus in the class was on the WOOP method. https://woopmylife.org

Thanks again to this group, it's been fun hearing how we all are reacting to the class.