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Hi all,

I would like to get your thoughts on whether you would switch to part time in my situation. I don't know if this really qualifies as a case study so much as request for your thoughts on risk assessment for a person in my situation, but feel free to move it if that's where it belongs.

I'm 57, F, no kids and no close family, and partnered but we don't cohabitate and don't plan to. So my old age is all on me.

I have $600K invested, a paid-off home worth about $310K, and a paid-off 2017 Outback. The house shouldn't need a new roof until at least 2032, if then, and otherwise is in very good condition. No pension, no expected inheritance.

My current position pays $75K. For the last five years I've been living on $18-20K per year and investing the rest. I work from home and honestly this is pretty much a part-time job, but I'm not actually free to do the things I want to do (hike with my dog, etc.) and have to hang around the computer in case someone needs me. As far as full-time jobs go, other than disliking the work and intensely disliking two of the people I work with, it's about as good as it's going to get. But I am not a person who has ever enjoyed work, period.

I am currently pouring all of my paycheck into my 401(a), 403(b) Roth, 457(b), and HSA, and living off of my cash.

My goal is to stop work altogether when I hit $800K.

Investment calculators are telling me that if I keep investing at this rate, I should get there in a little less than three years.  If I get a part time job covering my expenses and don't make any further investments, I should get there in four years.  This is, of course, assuming that the economy doesn't further implode (case in point, my investments are currently exactly what they were over a year ago despite funneling almost all of my income into them). Either way, I would get roughly the same amount of SS ($17K vs $18K).

Can you please offer any and all thoughts on this situation? Some things floating around in my head:

-If I quit, I will lose my sweet options for tax advantaged investments and I'm not sure how to factor this in.
-If the market doesn't perform at an average rate, then I might wish I had stuck it out in this job.
-Maybe the thing to do is just to go ahead and act like I have an actual part-time job (i.e., use my time the same way I would if I had no obligations for half of the week) and see what happens. I work for a state agency so they're not going to unexpectedly fire me--it would first involve a PIP. That would feel pretty bad though. A big part of my desire to quit is to get some psychological distance from the institution and its objectionable policies and disagreeable people.

I don't post often but I've been reading for years and have come to value your wisdom so much. Thanks for any help you can offer in thinking this through.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2023, 02:02:07 PM by cannotWAIT »

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What sort of part time job would you get? Would you enjoy this more?

Have you considered living off investments until age 70 and seeing how the increased SS would impact your retirement goal?

Would it be possible to quit all together now, live off the investments for 13 years, then live off of SS income alone?

Honestly I would just quit and live off investments if I were in your situation, then switch to SS at age 70.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2023, 02:23:51 PM by TreeLeaf »

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I would look for a part-time job in tech writing, legal research and writing, or compliance. (I'm a lawyer who hates actual lawyering.)

Have you considered living off investments until age 70 and seeing how the increased SS would impact your retirement goal?

When I said my SS would be $17K-$18K whether I stop working in three years or four, I meant my PIA. So yes, it would be higher than that at 70, the amount at 70 would not vary significantly based on whether I continue working full time for three years or part time for four-ish.

Would it be possible to quit all together now, live off the investments for 13 years, then live off of SS income alone?


Well, CFireSim and FireCalc say that I can spend about $30K a year and I'll be okay. And I don't spend anywhere near that. So you might think that would be the end of the story, but I worry a lot about having enough to pay for help when I can no longer do everything myself. I think that getting to $800K is the prudent course. That way my withdrawal rate will be low enough that it will continue to grow, hopefully to the point of being able to pay for help. If anything, I worry that that amount is too low. I also worry about quitting an objectively good job in the current economic climate. I also worry that, you know, I'm 57, this is the age when health shit starts happening and already I've lost most of the year to a knee problem. I'm just keenly aware that time is short. To summarize: I worry a lot, about everything!

I guess I just need help sorting out all my competing desires. I actually hired a therapist for this purpose earlier in the year but I felt like her personal financial circumstances/knowledge/philosophy made her unable to understand what I was even talking about. I need a FIRE therapist!

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Are those SS figures estimates for when you turn 62, or age 70?

Either way, if you continue to live roughly the same lifestyle you won't need that much more than SS will provide to cover your basic spending once you start taking it (assuming SS payouts more or less keep up with inflation). 

So let's say you need 25k/year to cover your lifestyle for the 13 years from age 57 to age 70.  That's 325k.  Even if your current investments did nothing but sit there earning nothing during that period, you'd still have 275k + paid off house when you reach age 70. 

How would that feel to you? 

For me, I think I would experiment with seeing how much I could step back from the job/do my own thing with a good portion of my time while still getting paid.  Kind of hard to say how it would work in practice without knowing how often your coworkers are contacting you, but at the very least you could experiment with doing productive things around the house while "on the clock" but being mindful of responding quickly to calls/texts/emails that come in.  Maybe there are ways to program Chat GPT or some other program to respond to messages that come in while you are busy with other things?

Another question, since this is a state job, is what kind of personal/vacation/sick leave do you have built up, and could you carve out more time for yourself by utilizing some of that?  Mental health is a health need, too. 

And finally, could you just ask to step your hours down a bit?  You would lose out on the FT pay/benefits, but having more documented time to yourself/less hours per week when you had to be available to your employer might make staying longer a bit more tolerable. 

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Are those SS figures estimates for when you turn 62, or age 70?

They are my PIA--so for when I turn 67. At 70 they would be $21-22K.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2023, 03:33:20 PM by cannotWAIT »

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I would look for a part-time job in tech writing, legal research and writing, or compliance. (I'm a lawyer who hates actual lawyering.)

Have you considered living off investments until age 70 and seeing how the increased SS would impact your retirement goal?

When I said my SS would be $17K-$18K whether I stop working in three years or four, I meant my PIA. So yes, it would be higher than that at 70, the amount at 70 would not vary significantly based on whether I continue working full time for three years or part time for four-ish.

Would it be possible to quit all together now, live off the investments for 13 years, then live off of SS income alone?


Well, CFireSim and FireCalc say that I can spend about $30K a year and I'll be okay. And I don't spend anywhere near that. So you might think that would be the end of the story, but I worry a lot about having enough to pay for help when I can no longer do everything myself. I think that getting to $800K is the prudent course. That way my withdrawal rate will be low enough that it will continue to grow, hopefully to the point of being able to pay for help. If anything, I worry that that amount is too low. I also worry about quitting an objectively good job in the current economic climate. I also worry that, you know, I'm 57, this is the age when health shit starts happening and already I've lost most of the year to a knee problem. I'm just keenly aware that time is short. To summarize: I worry a lot, about everything!

I guess I just need help sorting out all my competing desires. I actually hired a therapist for this purpose earlier in the year but I felt like her personal financial circumstances/knowledge/philosophy made her unable to understand what I was even talking about. I need a FIRE therapist!

IMO I still think this should be the end of the story....

You seem unreasonably worried about money.

Frankly I would not look toward money to help protect against the medical issues old age might include - I would be looking for a partner I could cohabitate with.

ETA: This is what *I* would do in your situation. I think you will ultimately have to do whatever helps you sleep best at night.

ETA2: This seems more like a psychological hang up. I will recommend doing whatever you feel will make you happiest and feel the best. :)
« Last Edit: March 31, 2023, 04:26:05 PM by TreeLeaf »

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As you suspected, your low recent expenses make it difficult at first to see the reasons for continuing to work, especially at a job you dislike. But I understand the possibility that old age could be costlier once you lose some of your abilities; I agree that's worth planning for.

That you've set $800k financial assets as your benchmark for being prepared seems reasonable offhand. But whether you can safely quit now, should slog "full time" for years or should downshift your work could depend on various assumptions, so permit me to dig deeper.

You work for a govt agency, it sounds like. Most govt workers get some pension credits but those are absent from your description. Are you contract only, no pension credits? (I'm vested in 2 pension plans though with only small pension amounts; 50something, expenses 21k, several years FIREd; peer to peer questions here, maybe).

Have you prepared tentative withdrawal sequences for the 3 scenarios (quitting now, CoastFIREing, 3 more years)? If so, explaining them might help the reader assess.

Fwiw, I myself assume that old age will at some point require assistance, but that that phase will be finite. Also, I assume roughly the same cost regardless of whether my future disability (so to speak) occurs soon or far in the future. These assumptions are not guaranteed, of course. After helping my Dad's Alzheimer's I do trust the stats that most cases of assisted living last 1 to 4 years, not the rarer and scarier 10+ years, though of course those occur too. I assume that when things go bad, I'll spend down 200k or 300k but not go broke. This is partly influenced by our successful search for decent assisted living that cost 4k to 5k per month during dad's Alzheimer's, not the 10k of scary Costly Coast (West Coast, East Coast) examples that do happen too. If you can line up some young trusty friend who might help with the financial management / casework in the event of mental difficulty on your part, that would make you safer. In the 5% or so chance I'm wrong, of course, I get stuck with Medicare/ Medicaid financing and, given family history, a good shot at Alzheimer's. If I didn't have some family to intervene with respect to case management (responsible Sis, gruff but caring BIL) I'd be even more worried but still I gain peace now (no more work! pleasant life) in return for a bit of risk later. Where to draw the line is to some extent a matter of personal values and judgment, not just a financial calculation.

Intuitively your plan sounds quite safe, but intuitively, I suspect you'd also be all right if you quit now. That said, if you feel like a bad sequence of returns would significantly endanger your plan (in other words you're set on a bigger safety margin than I think is strictly needed), my guess is the next 2-3 years will deliver bad returns along with excellent buying opportunities. If this market timing guess is correct, sticking with the job you have until end 2025 or so would be better for establishing the safety you really are looking for. Steady work would be better than freelancing in the downturn case.

I say this assuming that you can stand to work that next 2 or 3 years at your current job but if you really can't, pull the plug. At some point, you need to shift to playing offense - deciding to live the life you want. Without that decision, no amount of money will make you free.

In the scenario of 2024 Means S--t Hits the Market Fan, you'll feel uncomfortable quitting in 2026 but I suspect you'd actually be quite safe, even without any pensions outside SS. Anyway, awaiting any replies you share.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2023, 04:10:31 PM by BicycleB »

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One question:  what is your plan for health insurance between now and when you are eligible for Medicare?  That's the biggest hole I see in the plan. 

Other than that, yeah, you're letting your fears drive you.  I understand that, particularly in your circumstances, where you have no safety net other than yourself.  But look at it the other way around:  you're not happy where you are now.  You've worked your ass off for a lot of years and have saved a lot of money.  Why would you accept a guarantee that you'll be unhappy (continuing to work) for a possibility that something might go wrong (quitting/going part-time)?  That just doesn't make sense.

One idea:  if you're worried about the market, keeping up with inflation, etc., why not put a big chunk of $$ into an inflation-adjusted annuity?  Normally I'm not a huge fan, because it means no $$ for your survivors, but you don't have to worry about that.  A quick search on the web is telling me that if you put $500K into an inflation adjusted annuity today (leaving $100K for emergency fund, roof, etc.), and start drawing in a month, you can get somewhere between $20-24K/yr in guaranteed income (which, again, will rise every year).  That means you don't have to worry about anything (except medical insurance) between now and claiming SS, and then you can take that SS $$ and add it to your 'stache to cover future medical expenses.

Also:  could you go part-time at your current job?  I know it doesn't solve all your problems, but that might be one way to split the baby.

The tl;dr is that you have many, many options, and your constraints are more in your head than anywhere else.  So make some sort of change to improve your life right now, today.  You deserve it.

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To answer a few questions:

-I don't want to quit work altogether until I'm 60 because SSDI rolls off after 5 years.
-Pension? No. (I work for a public university which opted out of the very strong state pension program. I know.)
-Health insurance: If I keep my income to $21,000, I qualify for a subsidized ACA silver plan, which would be in the range of $3 a month, $200 deductible, OOP max $3000.
-Can I go part time? Well, in reality it's a part-time job, but they don't know that, so I suspect the answer would be no.
-Withdrawal sequences? No, I haven't gotten that far. I am sitting on about $80,000 in cash right now. My plan was to keep pouring my entire salary into my nice tax advantaged accounts for the next three years and live off the cash (and make Roth IRA contributions with it).

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The part that stands out to me is that you dislike your job and coworkers and feel ethical qualms about the employer. Why not take a break, then get another job if you feel the need?

There are tons of jobs out there. Just pushing through another 3 years sounds so familiar. I managed to push through one extra year. Cushy job, great money, basically part time aside from being tethered to the computer, toxic boss, dysfunctional organization… SOOOOO glad I left. NO RAGRETS.

But it was hard to leave, so I understand.

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To answer a few questions:

-I don't want to quit work altogether until I'm 60 because SSDI rolls off after 5 years.
-Pension? No. (I work for a public university which opted out of the very strong state pension program. I know.)
-Health insurance: If I keep my income to $21,000, I qualify for a subsidized ACA silver plan, which would be in the range of $3 a month, $200 deductible, OOP max $3000.
-Can I go part time? Well, in reality it's a part-time job, but they don't know that, so I suspect the answer would be no.
-Withdrawal sequences? No, I haven't gotten that far. I am sitting on about $80,000 in cash right now. My plan was to keep pouring my entire salary into my nice tax advantaged accounts for the next three years and live off the cash (and make Roth IRA contributions with it).

What do you mean by SSDI rolls off after 5 years?

Health insurance plan sounds great.

Re 80k cash at age 57, you can draw penalty free from 401k/IRA at age 59 !/2 and you have nearly 4 years cash, so you should have no difficulty with withdrawals.

Sounds like you could leave work tomorrow depending on how much you think is needed for unique expenses of aging.*

*Unless the last 5 years had unusually low repair / maintenance costs for home, and due to deferred expense, future costs will exceed the 5 year average. Still, sounds like the biggest issue is confidence.

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You are doing well financially and should recognize that as a real achievement.

My concern about shifting to part-time work now has less to do with your current finances than the state of the economy. You have already experienced a no growth year with your investments, and that is disappointing. But it is not a calamity.

The broader US market is up more than 7% year to date but the ride has been very bumpy—ups and downs based on inflation and fed-reaction predictions every couple weeks. I don’t think the average investor would be surprised if our investments experienced zero growth in real returns for 2023. We simply do not know where we will be in the next few years.

So a recommendation: Sit put.  If the economy stagnates or heads south, the best thing you can have is the earning power of a full-time job.

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To answer a few questions:

-I don't want to quit work altogether until I'm 60 because SSDI rolls off after 5 years.
-Pension? No. (I work for a public university which opted out of the very strong state pension program. I know.)
-Health insurance: If I keep my income to $21,000, I qualify for a subsidized ACA silver plan, which would be in the range of $3 a month, $200 deductible, OOP max $3000.
-Can I go part time? Well, in reality it's a part-time job, but they don't know that, so I suspect the answer would be no.
-Withdrawal sequences? No, I haven't gotten that far. I am sitting on about $80,000 in cash right now. My plan was to keep pouring my entire salary into my nice tax advantaged accounts for the next three years and live off the cash (and make Roth IRA contributions with it).

ACA is probably the biggest reason you should plan your withdrawal sequence.

In my state, the minimum income needed to obtain ACA is over $20k. Getting my income that high has often required planning my withdrawals from retirement accounts to produce the needed income. Specifically, there have been several years when having money in 401k or traditional IRA was a good thing because I was able to "create" the needed income by moving the desired amount into Roths. If I had already had all the money in Roths, I would have had a problem.

Getting in the sweet spot of roughly $20k to $26k is very valuable in my state. I suggest learning the minimum for your state, then making a year by year spreadsheet to verify you can hit the sweet spot. This may affect your decision about when to spend the $80k and how to allocate current income.

It may also give you more confidence that you're safe to quit now, should you decide that.

PS. Bear in mind that laws change sometimes. In other threads, some have pointed out that the safest approach is to have a variety of funds, not just everything in Roth or everything in traditional IRA or everything in taxable. Diversification of accounts can improve long term safety by providing flexibility in meeting changes.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2023, 09:00:01 AM by BicycleB »

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I really don't understand why you would work a job you don't like and put yourself in a situation why you worry about what your investments are going to do.  You spend so little compared to your nest egg you could live off the $80k from the money market for the next few years and ladder the rest in treasuries and TIPs thru age 70.  You'll have a lot of money left at that point on top of the SS that will pretty much cover your expenses by itself.

Unless you have something/someone you want to leave a large nest egg behind to, or you do think you'll want to increase your spending a good bit in retirement, you seem to be putting yourself thru a lot of unnecessary stress at work and worry over what the stock market might do. 

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I really don't understand why you would work a job you don't like and put yourself in a situation why you worry about what your investments are going to do.  You spend so little compared to your nest egg you could live off the $80k from the money market for the next few years and ladder the rest in treasuries and TIPs thru age 70.  You'll have a lot of money left at that point on top of the SS that will pretty much cover your expenses by itself.

Unless you have something/someone you want to leave a large nest egg behind to, or you do think you'll want to increase your spending a good bit in retirement, you seem to be putting yourself thru a lot of unnecessary stress at work and worry over what the stock market might do.

I agree with this.

Live off of 20k for the next 13 yrs. Then take ss. At that point you will have 340k left plus 300k home equity to pay for medical help. 640k to pay for medical help is about the same as 840k.

Plus, think rationally about failing health in old age. If you develop alzheimers, dementia, or some other major illness where you can't take care of yourself is $200k really going to make a difference? At that point who cares? Your life won't be great if you develop one of those things anyway, at least you will be able say you had an extra 3 healthy years to do whatever you wanted. It's not going to matter much if you are laying around watching a state paid for TV or your own bought and paid for TV.

Listen carefully to what old people complain about. I've been around a lot of old people and their biggest complaints are their health not their lack of money. Rich old people and dirt poor, they all have the same complaints.  And they all live the same lifestyle - sitting around watching TV and hoping someone comes to visit them.

Make sure you aren't budgeting on the artificially low aca costs that are set to revert in 2025
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Make sure you aren't budgeting on the artificially low aca costs that are set to revert in 2025

I am, because that's the only information I have. Is there a way to know what it would be if they let it revert?

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I would probably keep working, but find a way to do the things I want to do. Do you have to be at a desktop computer with multiple screens in order to do work? Can it be done with a laptop on hotspot? It sounds like your position is ideal-minimal hours, and decent pay. Can we crowdsource how to get you more mobile?

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Make sure you aren't budgeting on the artificially low aca costs that are set to revert in 2025

I am, because that's the only information I have. Is there a way to know what it would be if they let it revert?

No one can predict the future, but the expectation is that costs would follow the same pattern as prior law. Linked below is an explanation from late 2022 of what the previous pattern was, and what the changes were that established the current price pattern. It also describes the various parts of the system in more detail, so you can recognize various factors that could cause costs to change.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/faqs/is-the-irs-saying-ill-have-to-pay-more-for-my-health-insurance-next-year/

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Thank you, BicycleB. That was very helpful.

I would probably keep working, but find a way to do the things I want to do. Do you have to be at a desktop computer with multiple screens in order to do work? Can it be done with a laptop on hotspot? It sounds like your position is ideal-minimal hours, and decent pay. Can we crowdsource how to get you more mobile?

I do generally need to be at my big monitor, but not every hour of the day, and honestly my discontent is a lot more to do with the tedious nature of the job itself and a few angry, condescending people I work with. After reflecting on everyone's comments, I'm thinking that before quitting, I should just get very assertive about using my time as I see fit. Retirement in place, if you like. I have also thought that getting an additional part-time remote job that I could do during my down time might make me care less about the fighty people at this job.

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I would definitely recommend getting assertive. The great thing about not needing a job is that you're free to say what you think (professionally, and not rudely of course). My husband and I don't need any of our jobs, so if there's something we're not up for doing, we just say no.

If people are condescending, you can push back on that quite firmly without any real consequences.

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Thank you, BicycleB. That was very helpful.

I would probably keep working, but find a way to do the things I want to do. Do you have to be at a desktop computer with multiple screens in order to do work? Can it be done with a laptop on hotspot? It sounds like your position is ideal-minimal hours, and decent pay. Can we crowdsource how to get you more mobile?

I do generally need to be at my big monitor, but not every hour of the day, and honestly my discontent is a lot more to do with the tedious nature of the job itself and a few angry, condescending people I work with. After reflecting on everyone's comments, I'm thinking that before quitting, I should just get very assertive about using my time as I see fit. Retirement in place, if you like. I have also thought that getting an additional part-time remote job that I could do during my down time might make me care less about the fighty people at this job.

Yay! Reading through the comments I was going to say something of this nature. Remember you are a highly educated person and you're likely getting questions from people who are not, and who have no idea what you do. You're not a call center employee expected to log 50 calls an hour. You should certainly be able to respond to things in a timely fashion while still making time to go outside with your dog. Also if you're remote, you can always be "at lunch", "at the Dr", "someone came to the door" etc. You're a professional who is paid for your expertise, and sometimes it might take a bit to respond with that expertise. If you can set up your phone to receive emails, or forward a work line to a google voice voicemail or something you could check once when you're out for a longer timeframe. I suspect no one else is holding you to the response time standards you hold yourself to.

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Thank you, BicycleB. That was very helpful.

I would probably keep working, but find a way to do the things I want to do. Do you have to be at a desktop computer with multiple screens in order to do work? Can it be done with a laptop on hotspot? It sounds like your position is ideal-minimal hours, and decent pay. Can we crowdsource how to get you more mobile?

I do generally need to be at my big monitor, but not every hour of the day, and honestly my discontent is a lot more to do with the tedious nature of the job itself and a few angry, condescending people I work with. After reflecting on everyone's comments, I'm thinking that before quitting, I should just get very assertive about using my time as I see fit. Retirement in place, if you like. I have also thought that getting an additional part-time remote job that I could do during my down time might make me care less about the fighty people at this job.

Hearing more, it sounds like you dislike your job more than you want to be free to be retired. Those are two very different motives. Yes, figure out a way to care less about your job. Whenever I am in a position where a job is no longer worth the pay, I change it so that it is worth it to me. Then my employer has a decision to make if it's still worth it to them to continue to employ me. I suggest you do the same.  Think "how can I mold this job into something I don't mind".  "I get paid $75k a year, what am I willing to do for $75k a year?" And then do that. Put the ball in the employer's court. They will probably not notice or still think you are worth it. Especially in this tight labor market. 

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That kind of stress - constantly tied to computer and working with angry maniacs - so not worth it!!! It looks like it's already doing a number on your mental health.

Considering this is the last stretch of your employment years, I'd say, with your skills and experience, you might be able to get another part time job  - work 3/4 days per week full time and take couple of days off.. that way, you are semi-retiring, testing retirement waters to see what you can do on your off days... Lot of companies require legal counsel without having to go to court..  You might actually be able to get a raise as well when you move, even as a part time person, considering your lawyer qualifications.

Another option is to become board of director in some company, which pays you for that. The job is to mostly read docs, attend meetings and share recommendations.. I hear it pays handsomely.

I'd also encourage you to try a few different part time jobs that you can do in your down time and then you can choose what works for you. If you really like it, you can get rid of your main job and take on more of the part time job.

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How much of this decision is about money? If none, then just live in the way you like. A co-worker of my wife's retired a couple years ago and then came back part-time. He's very happy to do (I imagine) everything he used in in a shorter work week. He has 4-day weekends, but is staying sharp and social. To me, his decision was 0% about money because he could have taken a another job to keep his state pension rolling in, but he'd rather go back to where he knew people than start over.

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I think you need to focus on controlling what you can control, that is a healthy relationship with work, whether it is in your current position or switching somewhere a bit less stressful.

You have absolutely no control over what the market does, so there is little point expending energy on it.  Turn time into an ally rather than an enemy by improving your current work sitch so that is doesn't become a burden each day - and actually, I think that having a busy job is far more conducive to this than a easy-going job where you are just counting down the hours each day.  Since switching last year I 've been much busier but also much happier, and however many years I have until I hit my target number doesn't seem as daunting - in fact, I'm rather looking forward to them.

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 I'd be wary of 2 things, if you went straight to zero paid work.
 
  - Probably if you were unemployed, and free to take your dog hiking at any moments notice, anywhere you wanted , and not tied to the house 8 hrs x 5 days a week - presumably you would spend more time out of the house with partner and dog, travelling to various destinations / picnicking / sightseeing / etc., and might find that more free time = more expense.

 - The other is the statement about living on 20K annually and saving the rest for the last 5 years.  If the last five years of high savings/ low spending rate was from a "catch-up" mindset - It might be tricky, mentally, to go from an 'accelerated' accumulation strategy , to transitioning directly to a dissipation of assets strategies + situation...
   
 

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Keep the job. $ 225,000.00 for 3 yrs and it is basically P/T  !!!! Find a way to entertain yourself while WFH. Up grade and skills you need to before you retire.
 Crafting, reading, cook for yourself so when you can you can leave the house to do your fun stuff. Can you exercise or talk short walks / hikes while  at "work" ?   
 Is it possible to find a way to keep the illusion of still being available to your workplace ? Separate computer or up graded phone? 
I think it worth your while to find different ways to deal with the "angry condescending people ". Can you set boundaries when these emotionally immature people call you and use you as their emotional punching bag ? Does HR have a policy you can re read about how to respect co- workers ? Or are you able to say stop with the drama and call when back when you are in control of your unhappiness?  Sending you a link that allowed me to work with some very immature co workers.

https://outofthefog.website/what-to-do-1

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Thank you all so much for your thoughtful replies. I've been considering all of them and also thinking about my core values. One of my core values is security, financial and otherwise. As a result, I tend to be very slow to make changes in my life. Ideally I would improve my situation without a lot of upheaval. I also like vand's concept of turning time into an ally rather than an enemy.

Another of my core values—one not always super compatible with security—is freedom or autonomy. I struggle with feeling trapped. BicycleB's comment that "at some point, you need to shift to playing offense" was really helpful in getting me to see that I need to shift the balance.

So, putting all that together, I think a good plan is to get an additional part-time job right now. This will do three things: 1) make my main job take up proportionally less of my mental landscape, 2) shorten the time to full retirement, and 3) give me a plan B so that I can be bolder about doing things to improve my main job. (And wageslave23, you're totally right that about the tight labor market. We have been losing people right and left so I do have some leverage.)

Uncharacteristically, I have already taken action on this! I applied for a legal research and writing job and two tech writing jobs. Applying for part-time jobs is a lot less scary than looking for full-time jobs!

I think this is a good plan for me. Quitting right now feels too risky and a different full-time job will likely  make me feel more trapped. This will also let me keep socking all of my main job income away into these tax-advantaged accounts, and keep my very good health insurance.


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Way to think outside the box, while already thinking outside the box by looking at FIRE :).  You took control of your life, instead of just reacting. 

Please let know know how it goes.  It is also good for others to see what options are out there other than A or B.

Loren

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Thanks! Last night I applied for another part-time remote job, and today I had one meeting, answered some emails, then took my dog for a good long walk and did a bunch of fun genealogy research. Tomorrow I'm taking the day off.

I'm surprised at how decisive I've become lately. I've been like this in my personal life too. The FU money/perimenopause combo is big medicine. :)

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!