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Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« on: January 18, 2014, 10:47:18 AM »
I'm curious. How many here would consider themselves vegan/vegetarian whose diet is plant centered?

I know MMM is not a vegetarian by any means, but it seems to me eating a WFPB whole foods plant based diet not only is healthy, but a huge step in saving money.

For those of you who don't follow a plant centered diet, I ask you to please not respond to this post. I'd like to hear just from those who eat a WFPB diet, perhaps how they came upon that way of eating and how it saves them money.

Thank you.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2014, 11:01:45 AM »
I have been practicing a vegan diet for about 8 months now. It had nothing to do with health reasons, rather it was the end result of some conclusions I came to regarding my personal code of ethics. I do think it is far better for the environment to eat plant based. As to whether it's healthier, YMMV. I know a few vegetarians who eat processed expensive garbage all day, and non-vegetarians who eat all organic and grass farmed blah blah blah.

As to whether it's cheaper, that's also YMMV. Sure beans and rice are cheaper than steak, but if you're like me and (was) eating out nearly every day, it's no cheaper (example: a vegan Chipotle bowl is the same price as a chicken one). I did a turnaround recently and started home cooking everything and it has definitely been pretty cheap - I can feed myself three meals a day for around $40 per week in groceries. If I skipped getting some fancy stuff like Daiya cheese it would be even lower.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2014, 11:34:21 AM »
My wife and I have been vegan for 8 years.  I don't know that it is any cheaper for us since we buy about 95% organic food - most of it from Whole Foods.  I would say if you didn't do that, it would be cheaper, since beans and grains are cheap.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2014, 11:55:18 AM »
I've been vegan for 15 years, but can't really say if it's cheaper for me since I've been vegan longer than I've been buying groceries - I switched when I was 12. I definitely spend less than people I know - we live in Vancouver and average $230/month grocery spending, which includes household stuff like dish soap and paper towels.

We don't eat out, but for a variety of reasons, including ridiculous prices, north american tipping culture, crappy food quality in restaurants, nutrition, hassle, and a desire to know exactly what's in our food. This saves us a ton of money as well.

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2014, 12:05:54 PM »
I was vegetarian for about 15 years, and vegan on and off for parts of that.  I say "was", because since moving in with my omni boyfriend, there has definitely been some cross contamination going on (i.e., if we are having eggs for breakfast on the weekend and he wants to fry his eggs in leftover bacon grease, I can't be bothered getting a second pan dirty, so my eggs get fried in the grease as well), and I also do eat meat with him on occasion (maybe 1-2x/month).  I don't eat a load of dairy or eggs, so it's quite common for me to have days on end of vegan-only eating.  Since moving in together, the boyfriend also eats a lot less meat, because I do most of the cooking and there's only so often I will cook it for him :)  Plus, we both agree that if we're going to eat meat, we want it to be as sustainably raised as possible, and that kind of meat is EXPENSIVE!  So I don't really see it ever becoming a huge part of our diet.

My reasons for shifting to a more plant-based diet were pretty much entirely environmental.  I was too young to really be concerned about health benefits (what teenager cares about their cholesterol or blood pressure?), and while I'm aware in the abstract that farmed animals don't have the happiest lives, I guess I'm not quite empathetic enough to change my diet for them (sorry, hope that doesn't make me sound totally heartless).  I'm still pretty concerned about the environmental costs of eating meat, though I'd say health and budget benefits definitely contribute now too.

While we do buy some produce organic, we're not fanatical about *everything* needing to be organic, so I would say our diet definitely keeps our food costs down.  There are a few things I will only buy organic (like strawberries), for those things I wait until they're in season, pig out then, and take a pass for the rest of the year.  One thing that has made my diet more expensive in the past couple of years is eliminating most soy from my diet (I cut it out in an effort to reduce my super heavy periods, and it worked, so...).  To keep my protein intake up, I have wound up supplementing a bit with protein powders (rice, pea, hemp), which are more expensive than, say, whole rice and beans.  The cost per gram of protein is still much less than for organic chicken, as I remind the BF whenever a shipment of powder arrives and he asks how much it cost!  I've tried to get the same amount of protein from 100% whole foods but I find I do just feel a lot better when I'm getting a more concentrated dose each morning, even if using protein powder does feel a bit wasteful or frankenfood-y.   I did actually have some bloodwork come back a few years ago suggesting that I was not eating enough protein (one of those things the intro vegetarian nutrition literature always tells you is impossible), so I do try to keep a closer eye on it now.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2014, 12:59:43 PM »
I've been vegan for 7 years. I'm confident I will eat this way for the rest of my life.

Like any other diet, it can be really cheap or really expensive. Money was not a factor at all in my decision to go vegan (or stay vegan).

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2014, 01:03:09 PM »
I have been vegetarian for about 20 years, but until 2 years ago this included too much cheese and processed food.   I switched to more whole foods diet about 2 years ago.    I upped the veggies and fruit to huge amounts, replace the processed carbs with unsalted nuts and whole grains, and am not a strict vegan (I will eat some dairy out of the house and we have our own chickens for eggs) but I don't buy any dairy/eggs grocery shopping and try to avoid regularly eating it.   I lost 25 lbs and went from being slightly overweight 6 months after having DD to now being a healthy weight.

Looking into the issue, not only do I feel better about eating this way out of concern for the conditions animals are kept in and environmental impacts of eating meat, but the research is overwhelming that eating a diet based on unprocessed plants is really the best way to prevent the most common diseases (eg., cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc).   

I would not call this lifestyle super expensive, but I have found that in order to not be tempted to eat crap, I really need to have lots of fresh fruits, veggies, nuts, etc on-hand.    So, there's a floor limiting how much I'm able to cut our grocery budget and do this (around $100 a week for the 3 of us).   But, even if our grocery budget is not as low as it could be eating ramen, spending $100 a week to  eat bell peppers, broccoli and clementines is still less expensive than what we'd spend on diabetes and cholesterol meds.
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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2014, 02:43:12 PM »
It's really as cheap/healthy as you make it.  Beans/rice/vegetables are vegan; so are Oreos and Coke.

Quick note on Chipotle someone mentioned, I know most of us are probably trying to restrict eating out to some degree but many people will eventually travel or otherwise want the convenience of restaurant food at some point.  If you order a vegetarian item at Chipotle, the huge scoop of delicious guacamole is free.  If you order an item with meat, the guacamole is $3 extra or something ridiculous.  I think this extra charge varies regionally and seasonally, but it's high.

This is true of all frugal people on any kind of restrictive nutrition, but from time to time you are certain to be offered free food that you can't or won't eat, I'll just throw that out there.

I didn't see anyone bring up kitchen gadgetry and storage for it yet.  Depending on the individual, it could end up being six of one, half dozen of the other, but I'm inclined to believe that for the most part plant-only is simpler.  I have a blender, a Cuisinart and a Magic Bullet.  But, I have no giant roasting pans or platters big enough for a turkey.  My house came with a standard size range, but I could be happy with a smaller one if the opportunity arose since I only ever roast a few vegetables or bake a casserole.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2014, 05:00:27 PM »
I've been a vegetarian for... geez, I had to count. 23 years! I'm not vegan - I LOOOOVE good cheese; that's my big vice.

I stopped eating meat in college, mostly for ethical reasons (I had a roommate who was very vocal about environmental issues and I decided it was the right thing to do; she and I decided to go veg together). I stuck with it because it is something that clearly works for my body. I almost immediately stopped getting sick, where before, when I ate meat, I would catch every single bug that went through our dorm.

My food bill has gone down since I've mostly eliminated fake meat products. I'll buy one once in a while, but when I was relying on boca burgers and fake chicken nuggets, I was probably spending as much money on fake meat as a meat-eater would on meat.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2014, 05:30:52 PM »
I went vegetarian just over 20 years and vegan about 15 years ago. I have no idea if it's cheaper, as I have nothing to compare it to. I think I eat really well on about $200/month. I do a little of the convenience food stuff or processed meat analogues, but I am also perfectly happy with tofu/tempeh/seitan when I need extra protein.

My doctor says my cholesterol levels are the best she has seen (I do live in the south...). I have a b-12 deficiency that is not caused by my diet but my diet certainly doesn't help, so I give myself shots every two weeks. I have zero desire to eat cheese or eggs or meat ever again - it just doesn't seem like food to me. I did try to keep chickens once thinking I would eat the eggs, but I couldn't do it.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2014, 05:54:02 PM »
I would be generally okay with home laid eggs from a cruelty or environmental standpoint, but dude.  My neighbors have chickens and they are truly free range and run all over the place.  I have seen them do things such as eat cat food, which is probably made from other chickens...

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2014, 06:19:21 PM »
I'm not Vegan/Vegetarian, but we do try to eat at least 1 Vegetarian meal a week. Haven't been doing as well recently, but it's something.

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2014, 06:27:42 PM »
I changed about 3 years ago, I am mostly vegan, I sneak a little cheese, egg, or deer meat once in a while.  I switched for ethical and environmental reasons.  As I learned more the health benefits reinforce my decision.  Later on the rest of the family switched also.  I was hoping to see a great decrease in our food bill but it didn't seem to change much.  That is something that I've been curious for a while.  Granted I didn't keep track of the expenses as much then as I do now. 
 

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2014, 02:17:51 AM »
I've been vegetarian for 27 years. I was only a toddler at the time I decided that I just didn't want to eat meat and haven't since then. 
I've always wondered how I would be now health-wise if I had grown up eating meat instead of as a vegetarian.

I don't think a vegetarian diet will necessarily save money, it can be as cheap or expensive as you want it to be.
As for how we save money, its through doing things like bulk buying items like rice, beans and legumes and buying fruit and veg from the local market or asian grocery stores.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2014, 07:59:51 AM »
I'm just gonna leave this here...



Why you gotta hate? Just plain ignorant.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2014, 08:18:12 AM »
I've been vegetarian for a few years and I'm moving towards vegan. Basically I eat vegan at home but vegetarian when out - I'd probably starve at social events otherwise, I'm in Bulgaria and to say that cheese is an integral part of the food here would be somewhat of an understatement!

I don't find it cheaper. But that's because I eat organic where possible and treat myself to things like nuts and avocados. If I lived in Australia however (which is where I'm from originally) being vegetarian would be much cheaper. I tend to make everything from scratch which doesn't save money either, but I like knowing what is in my food.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2014, 08:22:55 AM »
My husband is mostly vegan (although if we're traveling and eating out sometimes he does eat dairy products), and I'm vegetarian. Generally I'll cook mostly vegan at home.

My husband loves the taste of fake meat but instead of buying it I mostly make it from scratch using vital wheat gluten or tofu or whatnot - seitan, hot dogs, burgers, cutlets, etc. We used to buy soy chorizo from TJ's but it looks like they've now discontinued it (it was really delicious and really cheap), and I was also buying their soy "ground beef" for sloppy joe's, but the prices went up recently.

Even when I make most of our fake meat, I'm sure it results in a higher food bill than if we just relied on beans for protein. We buy vital wheat gluten and nutritional yeast in bulk online, but it's still not that cheap. Although we also don't buy much nuts, which can get expensive really fast. I would guess that for people eating pretty varied diets that generally most vegetarians probably eat more cheaply than vegans since they can use cheap eggs and cheese rather than some other esoteric stuff. But this is just a guess based on how I would eat if I were to go full vegan.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2014, 09:55:40 AM »
If one is truly eating a plant-based whole foods diet, then I think the financial benefits can be quite impressive!  By "whole foods" I mean that you would buy (and eat) olives instead of olive oil, legumes instead of the products that come from them (such as soy milk, tofu) and real grains and starches (brown rice, oats, quinoa, sweet potatoes) instead of breakfast cereals or flour-based products.  *That's* when it becomes extremely cheap to feed yourself!

Within that subset, I think the following rules apply:
1. The more starch-based your diet is, the cheaper it has the potential to be.  The more vegetable-based your diet is, the more potential for it becoming somewhat pricier.  Think of how much it costs to buy a week's worth of rice, potatoes or dried pinto beans.  Pennies really!  But when you start adding in a head of broccoli, a butternut squash and a grapefruit, it is no longer dirt cheap.  (Quite affordable still, just not dirt cheap.) 
2. More exotic and specialty foods can increase the grocery bill, while eating humble, more commonly available foods keeps the grocery bill lower.  Huge cost difference between, say, purple fingerling potatoes and bulk-bought white potatoes.  Ordinary green cabbage vs baby bok choy.  Apples vs. persimmons.  White button mushrooms vs criminis.
3. Expensive condiments can really add up, while eating plainer food is more cost-effective.  I know of (non-cost-conscious) vegans who buy high-quality mustards, expensive exotic vinegars, as well as things like miso or nutritional yeast.  People also seem to like using nuts as a condiment, which adds up. 
4. It's sometimes cheaper to buy frozen or canned.  If you care about the grocery bill, then it helps to be willing to buy frozen or canned when the fresh version is at a premium.  When strawberries are out of season, it is more effective to buy frozen than fresh.  In a non-tropical climate, it is more effective to buy canned pineapple than fresh.     

I've been working on getting my grocery spending a little lower and yes, I absolutely think that eating a whole-foods vegan diet is to my advantage!  If I tried to factor in all sorts of other cost savings (medical savings due to being healthier, clothes savings due to having a thinner body and being easier to dress), I think the advantages are huge!

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2014, 10:10:07 AM »
So glad to see that we have quite a few vegetarians/vegans on the MMM forum!

I stopped eating red meat and chicken about 20 years ago.  I kept eating turkey at Thanksgiving for a few more years to please my mom.  Had fish for the last time when I was in Alaska about 12 years ago.  Vegetarian since then!

I don't consume dairy in any regular fashion.  Rarely buy cheese.  Haven't had cow's milk for several years.  Now and then I have eggs--not often.  Occasionally I break down and have Ben and Jerry's!

I gave up red meat, in part, to save money.  But now, partly because of the smallish town I live in, I bet I could spend less money if I bought what the average Joe does:  cheap meat products and processed crap.  OTOH, the health benefits for me are worth the extra cost of real food.  And, as another poster mentioned, I like to know what I am eating.  I also do not trust the Big Food industry--not at all.

I struggle to keep my grocery bill down.  In 2013, it averaged over $200 per month.  Just for me.  Just food.  Really trying to get it down to about $180 per month.

I look at the thread "What are you eating right now?" sometimes, but usually meat products are involved in the answers.  Should we start a vegetarian/vegan version of it?

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2014, 10:56:17 AM »
Fiance and I are vegan and we do most of our shopping at Aldis but we still somehow manage to have a higher grocery bill then most people here.

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2014, 11:00:33 AM »
Vegetarian-based diet here (occasional shrimp or fish when out). I find I can save a ton of money by buying my beans, rice, and spices at the local Asian stores. Have enough spices to make almost anything in the world. I find eating Indian is about the cheapest good meal. Dal or mushroom based dishes are cheap as hell, even considering spices (if you buy at Asian store). My weakness is the meat substitutes. They are expensive and likely very processed. Wish I could knock them out, but I love the chicken strips as a substitute for Buffalo-style wings.

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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2014, 11:08:08 AM »
Just realized that in a dream last night I ate some seafood!  How odd!  (It has been many years since I have done so in real life!)

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2014, 02:44:53 PM »
Another longtime vegan here. I agree that what you spend depends on how you cook. From scratch vegan cooking is usually cheaper, but if you're using lots of convenience products, it's likely more expensive. We've developed a nasty eating out habit lately. Getting a handle on our food costs is high on my to do list now.

An internet acquaintance of mine is doing a cooking challenge this year. She's trying to spend less than $1,000 on groceries for the whole year. It's just started, but should be a good place to get an idea of what the cheaper end of vegan cooking looks like.

http://thousanddollarvegan.wordpress.com/

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2014, 09:49:31 AM »
How many of you are supplementing with creatine?  Everything that I've read indicates that creatine supplementation while on a plant based diet notably increases IQ/memory/brain function.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1691485/?tool=pubmed

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2014, 10:06:27 AM »
I take creatine. The study says 20g/day for 5 days, which is imho, too much. The average person lifting weights would not need much more than 5-10 per day. A side effect of taking creatine is you need to drink a lot more water or you will feel dehydrated. Some people say they get cramps more frequently when using creatine, but I've never felt this side effect myself. Creatine is cheap and I highly recommend it.

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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2014, 10:15:15 AM »
No, not so much as a weight lifting supplement.  Creatine is used in many brain (and sleep) related duties in the body.  Although small amounts can be synthesized by the body, the average human is adapted to get most of their creatine from animal sources.  That's why there's such a significant boost to mental facilities when vegan/vegetarians start supplementing with it.

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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2014, 12:02:02 PM »
I haven't heard about that. I have heard something about creatine being associated with hair loss in men though. Anyone have any sources on that?

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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2014, 09:18:01 AM »
I've been vegetarian for 15 years.  My husband is one at home by default.  I really don't think it saves us any money since our grocery bill (for just the two of us!) averages around $500/month.  Plants are expensive - especially since as athletic people, we eat sort of a lot in an attempt to get enough plant-based protein.  I'm in love with Plant Fusion protein powder. 

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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2014, 10:21:46 AM »
I'm not sure if others would agree, but I would add two more badass benefits to a whole foods plant-based diet (a no-added-oils diet along the lines of Caldwell Esselstyn's recommendations): 

1)  No need to buy or maintain expensive kitchen appliances.  If you're eating plants in their whole, least processed form, then all you really need is a knife, cutting board and some type of cooking mechanism.  Can give away tools like food processors, high-powered blenders, George Foreman grills, panini makers, etc.  Maybe just a pressure cooker to do beans, if you like quick results.

2)  Very little prep time for meals, and very little clean-up.  I find I hardly use dish soap these days, as I'm not eating foods with a coating of oil or fat on them.  A rinse and a wipe, and I'm done. 

I'm probably on the extremist fringe, diet-wise (the no-added-oils is considered very weird by most, but I love how it keeps my weight down) -- but if you're single and cooking for one, you can afford to eat simply with very little time or money wasted. 

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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2014, 11:01:39 AM »
What would a typical no added oils meal look like?  Lots of avocados, nuts, and olives?

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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2014, 11:42:34 AM »
I've been vegetarian now for 1 1/2 years (limited dairy) and mostly vegan for the past 5 months.  I've tracked my monthly grocery spending for years and it has stayed flat for the past two years through the change.  In the meantime, my kids are getting older and eat as many calories as I do at this time and will surpass me I suspect once they hit the teenage years.   They are now eating mostly vegetarian with minimal dairy/eggs in the house. 

The biggest proportion of cost is fresh fruit (the kids - 4+ pieces/day), snack/crackers/cereals (the kids) and vegetables (me - 1-2# per day).  I already cook a lot from scratch for me, but could do better with the kids' food.  So my goal this year is to spend the same as the "thrifty" food level  for 3 from the USDA which will be about a 24% reduction in groceries if I can do it.  I've not been very good about meal planning, buying in bulk, sale shopping etc. as I could be.

So, for me it's not been any cheaper but mostly because I've really upped the quality of my nutrition with the transition. I eat a lot more fruits and vegetables now than I did (and I always ate 3-5 servings per day before).   My health and energy levels are great right now so I'm not going to compromise my nutrition to save money.     I'm going to start by trying to plan ahead more than I do now and see how it goes. 

(and a side benefit, I was just noting the other day how my kitchen garbage doesn't smell like it used after a day or so when I was throwing meat/dairy/eggs waste in there ;) )



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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2014, 12:15:08 PM »
We are ~98% vegan; I would say it's made it easier to stay close to the grocery budget. We spend $400 per month for the two of us, and that's with a CSA membership- we eat well.
Stay away from pre made vegan foods, they are a fortune! Home made seitan saves a lot, as does using dry beans, and buying nuts and grains in bulk. You can make your own coffee creamer and plant based milks as well if you have a high powered blender.

The real savings comes from health costs. No need for Prilosec anymore, and won't need cholesterol medication. As we age, health costs should be much lower than our omnivorous family members. (And also better quality of life)
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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2014, 06:17:21 PM »
According to the USDA a family of 4 should spend $633 a month on the thrifty plan.  I have been trying to get to MMM level without success.

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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2014, 07:59:14 PM »
Whole food plant based myself, can't call myself vegan (use honey,leather, wool, etc...). N

Not much of a cost difference compared to when i ate meat/dairy, I find the fresh produce offsets the savings from meat and almond milk is so much more expensive than the typical gallon of 2%. I don't waste too much money organic and non gmo, some produce its worth it (some stonefruit, apples and berries) but others seem so unnecessary to buy organic.

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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2014, 09:22:05 PM »
My husband and I became mostly vegan a year and a half ago.  We are vegetarian when we eat out.  I figure we are spending about 25% less in groceries.  The best part about the lifestyle change is that we are healthier and feel much better since cutting out meat products.  My husband's cholesterol went from 230 to 170!!

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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2014, 12:28:48 AM »
The last time I had my cholesterol checked was a while ago, and I was mostly vegan but still indulged in occasional stuff like the odd tuna and mayonnaise sandwich.  (Hard to find vegan sandwiches with much protein at the average deli if you rely on that kind of thing, and at the time my work was paying the deli bill.  Free food can be so hard to pass up.)

I always forget which one is "good" or "bad," HDL or LDL, but the good one was still high enough and the bad one was hovering around 100.  It's probably lower now.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2014, 06:44:17 AM »
For those of you who don't follow a plant centered diet, I ask you to please not respond to this post.
So is the whole point of this thread confirmation bias?

Do people who occasionally eat meat or cheese not have valid opinions about ways to keep down the cost of the vast majority of their diet that is vegan?

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2014, 09:13:01 AM »
For those of you who don't follow a plant centered diet, I ask you to please not respond to this post.
So is the whole point of this thread confirmation bias?

Do people who occasionally eat meat or cheese not have valid opinions about ways to keep down the cost of the vast majority of their diet that is vegan?
I'm not the OP, so I can't answer for him, but threads like this (anywhere on the internet) seem to attract trolling along the lines of what MrMyMoney posted (which has since been deleted). I assume all helpful advice about the cost of buying produce and so on is appreciated. It is by me, certainly!

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2014, 01:24:10 AM »
Not much of a cost difference compared to when i ate meat/dairy, I find the fresh produce offsets the savings from meat and almond milk is so much more expensive than the typical gallon of 2%.

Almond milk is really expensive here. I still have it as a treat sometimes but I started making my own rice milk which is very cheap. Also means I know exactly what is in it. Doesn't taste as good but I find it fine for use in smoothies or on cereal.

To the person who asked about oil free cooking - I do that. Partially for weight reasons and partially because I hate the slimey feeling of oil on pots etc. And I've found it really isn't necessary. So if I want to "fry" some onions for example I just throw them in the wok with a dash of water. To me it tastes exactly the same as if I used oil. The only thing I use oil on (apart from in some baking where I use coconut oil) is making chips (french fries to Americans). If I make a few potatoes worth (which is a huge portion for one person) then I'll use about a dessert spoon of oil on them.

I get loads of fats in my diet from nuts and avocado.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2014, 07:52:20 PM »
Today I made this vegan paella, it turned out delicious.  It is enough for a few meals.  The only pricy ingredient was the saffron.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2014, 08:14:44 PM »
That looks really good!!  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2014, 09:36:58 PM »
Have you ever started a thread and keep checking to see if anyone's responded to your post?

I've kind of wondered if anyone had responded, and I was amazed so many have with their thoughtful comments. Thank you all so very much, and either my wishes were respected or the trollish type comments were deleted. Either way, I'm kind of giddy that this subject could be treated with respect, especially a forum such as this. It shows the class of people on this forum.

Reading the comments, I get so heartened by young people who've made the decision to eat a WFPB diet so early in life. I didn't start until I was 35 and it's been one heck of a learning curve ever since.

The big reasons for a WFPB diet are environmental, care for other sentient animals, and our health. Whatever reasons we choose, we get all three, which ain't too shabby.

To you young people who follow this way of eating, it takes a lot of stamina when culture, friends, society dictates a different way of living.

One of the commenters mentioned how low their cholesterol was. When I go to the gym, I see a lot of guys buffed out, working hard for bigger muscles. As I get older, the numbers that are really important are my cholesterol level, A1c, GTT, CRP, and BP to name a few. 


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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2014, 09:44:38 PM »
Ooh-pick me! I'm ovo-veg, meaning I don't eat meat or dairy but I eat eggs about twice a week. I try to eat as many things out of the fridge as I can, and not stuff from brightly covered packages. I feel like it is definitely healthier for me, which in the long run is nice on my pocketbook, it's fun, and also relatively cheap if you don't buy things like kale chips. :P It don't get much cheaper than rice and beans.

I became a veggie-head because of animal rights issues, taste preference, environmental reasons, health...it just has all kinds of awesome benefits. I think what it gave me the most of was an education on nutrition because I was forced to start actively thinking about what I are instead of grabbing a bag of cheetos for a snack. That to me is invaluable!
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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2014, 03:45:29 AM »
I've eaten 98% plant based diet for around 10 years, and am now more like 100% as my partner can't eat any dairy at present, so we no longer add the occasional hunk of goat cheese to our salads. I eat this way largely for ethical reasons now, though I was classic 'vegetarian who eats fish' for 20 or so years before that.

I agree it can be very expensive if you go for lots of meat/dairy substitutes. I use rice, almond or hemp milk in smoothies & baking, either bought cheap at Aldi & Costco, or made at home. We discovered the most widely available brand of fake sausage in Australia costs around as much per kilo as steak, though  I do buy occasional packs of locally made fancy faux meat to take to barbeques. Most times, though, I DIY seitan roasts and sausages, and marinate bulk tofu & tempeh I buy plain ( and cheap) from coops & Asian grocers. I also buy beans, nuts, grains & vegan protein powder in 5kg bags from a wholesaler. I think we eat very well, and it's pretty cheap ( though there are some luxuries we could trim). We also grow some veggies and fruit, which means we can stretch fairly minimalistic groceries with fresh herbs & greens, and/or other home-grown treats.

Eating this way seems to me to be frugal in other ways, beyond the cost of groceries themselves.  I'm highly motivated to bring my own food to work, and restaurants in general are not especially tempting.
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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2014, 11:08:30 AM »
we just started this last night! we are going for the meatless Monday to start, its a huge change, but we are more looking to be healthier for the kids, is there a website where we can search for easy recipes and grocery lists? 

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2014, 12:59:51 PM »
twinsmom, there's a ton of great vegan blogs with recipes. the post punk kitchen, chloe's kitchen, thug kitchen.. etc etc

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2014, 01:02:05 PM »
Vegetarian Times has a ton of recipes on their website: http://www.vegetariantimes.com/

The First Mess is beautiful, though maybe a little more elaborate than you want: http://www.thefirstmess.com/recipe-index/

Happy. Healthy. Life is really popular. I think her recipes are simpler and they tend to feature lots of produce: http://kblog.lunchboxbunch.com/2000/02/recipes-list.html

You might also consider a trip to the library. Most libraries have great cookbook sections, and you can get an idea of whether you like a book before committing to buying it. Some good starter books: The Meat Lover's Meatless Cookbook, Love Soup, and Isa Does It.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2014, 01:07:03 PM »
I don't know if this is helpful, but I rarely use recipes.  My breakfasts are usually some variation of hot cereal.  My other meals are usually veggies, beans, spices, and some kind of grain (quinoa, rice, couscous, etc.).  Snacks are usually fruits and nuts.  In general, I have been avoiding most processed food.

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2014, 01:15:23 PM »
I've been vegetarian since probably 1996 or 1997. Glad to see so many others here!

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Re: Plant Based Nutrition--Vegan
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2014, 01:22:53 PM »
I'm going to start a "What Vegetarian/Vegan Food are you Eating Right Now?" thread.  Let's make it lively!