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texastumbleweed

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Planning savings when you are self employed
« on: December 30, 2016, 01:13:06 PM »
How do you balance your savings when you are self employed?  We have a small monthly income and then big checks come in periodically.  Usually I use these to go straight into out Roth IRA accounts.  We also want to renovate our house and I'd like to start setting some aside for that, but it will be so expensive I'm not quite sure where to start.  We own our house, but at 1200, two bedrooms, one bathroom, and three kids I know we are running out of space.  Anyway, I want to plan out monthly savings, but I'm not sure what to do or if this is even possible.  I also feel like I can't save up for vacations when we need to add on to our house, but I would like to do that as well.  Thanks

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Re: Planning savings when you are self employed
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2016, 01:21:30 PM »
Even if your income is variable your expenses should be somewhat consistent and knowing exactly what those expenses are month to month (budgeting) is an important first step and then keeping x month of those expenses in savings to give you enough safety before the next big drop. Then you know anything above this buffer is extra savings. A good friend of mine at http://2frugaldudes.com/ owns his owns business but pays himself a consistent salary from the business.

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Re: Planning savings when you are self employed
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2016, 03:14:29 PM »
Lots of different questions!

The key with variable income (or annual expenses), is to use the money that comes in THIS month, to use for NEXT month's spending.   If you don't have as much income as intended, you have another 2-3 weeks to reduce your future spending and accommodate it.

For lumpy expenses, you need to pay yourself first out of your budget.   Have those amounts taken off the top of NEXT month's budget and put aside.

Only you can decide if you will pre save for renovations, take a loan, save for retirement, etc.   First ensure that you have at least 6 months of basic monthly expenses set aside, due to your income fluctuations.

My advice is to presave at least 75% of the renovation costs.  What they say about renovations being 50% to 100% more than planned is really so true.   If you presave the money, you can then decide not to finish the renovation (e.g., do not install interior trim, doors, floor covering) immediately if you run out of money, and that puts quite a strong brake on cashflow for renovations.

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Re: Planning savings when you are self employed
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2016, 05:51:34 PM »
Our income is through self employment and very seasonal so it waxes and wanes. We have a yearly budget and give our selves a "monthly paycheck" based on that. Our paycheck is more virtual since I just track that set amount in YNAB throughout the month to make sure we aren't going over. Anything over this amount goes to investments. Sometimes that is a little bit, sometimes a lot. But I have found this is the best way for us handle it.

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Re: Planning savings when you are self employed
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2017, 02:14:06 PM »
For us (both my husband and I work for our business) our payroll paychecks go 100% into our SIMPLE IRA accounts. Depending on your income, you can make goals to either max out or contribute a set dollar amount to these accounts annually and then only after meeting this goal, using whatever is left over after for savings for some of those bigger projects. For us it is most important (after an emergency fund!) to take advantage of tax free investing as much as we can realistically manage.

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Re: Planning savings when you are self employed
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2017, 06:26:29 PM »
Lots of different questions!

The key with variable income (or annual expenses), is to use the money that comes in THIS month, to use for NEXT month's spending.   If you don't have as much income as intended, you have another 2-3 weeks to reduce your future spending and accommodate it.

For lumpy expenses, you need to pay yourself first out of your budget.   Have those amounts taken off the top of NEXT month's budget and put aside.

Only you can decide if you will pre save for renovations, take a loan, save for retirement, etc.   First ensure that you have at least 6 months of basic monthly expenses set aside, due to your income fluctuations.

I love this.  I understand YNAB works this way, so that might be an effective tool to implement this.

When I was working on a project basis, the only way we made it work was to base our minimum "required" standard-of-living expenses on our minimum monthly income.  [side note:  I would strongly suggest using YNAB or some other method to track what you spend to make sure that what you say you spend is actually what you spend - it's super easy to go over without noticing, and if it's a low month, you can't afford that.]

After that, you just need to decide what to allocate to the extra, and in what order.  E.g., first extra $100 to vacation fund, next $250 to renovation fund, next $50 to extra lifestyle fund, then another $100 to vacation fund, the, $500 to renovation, etc.  You can layer it this way so that you can make progress on multiple goals, but always putting the most of the extra into your higher-priority goals.  [second side note:  I intentionally put "extra lifestyle" in here so that you can reduce your base budget to real bare-bones, but then in good months allow yourself a little extra -- a restaurant meal, a movie, whatever the thing is that floats your boat -- so you don't feel deprived all the time.  Because otherwise those things tend to creep into your base budget, and then, boom, you don't know where the money went]

Or you can just sit down each month and decide how much you want to put to each goal.  That works too, if you want to revisit and discuss more frequently [me, I like to decide once and then not have to worry about it, but YMMV].  Or you can just dump all the extra into one big savings account and decide later how much you want to spend on vacation vs. reno -- it may feel more encouraging to see one number grow faster vs. watching separate pots grow.  Or do something in-between -- we used to combine "known longer-term recurring expenses" (e.g., car fund, vacation) in a separate pot than one-time things like renovations, just because of how my brain works (I wouldn't spend on the big thing if I worried I was taking money from other known future needs -- totally illogical because we had budgeted for everything, so it wasn't like the cash wasn't there, but I have found that life is a lot easier when you work with your quirks instead of trying to fix them). 

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Re: Planning savings when you are self employed
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2017, 10:30:46 PM »
I am self-employed and have set up Capitol One accounts for savings, vet bills, and travel.  I have money pulled from my checking account every Monday and use an amount that I know I can cover.  It has taken me a LONG time to get to this point though.  It is soooooooooo much harder to save when you are self-employed :-(.

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Re: Planning savings when you are self employed
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2017, 05:36:57 AM »
I had a lumpy income as a young adult.  Some months I would earn money, some months not. 

I would put all the money I received, from whatever source, into a savings account, and then monthly I would transfer a set amount (I called it my "monthly allowance") into my checking account.  I had set up what I later learned was a zero-based envelope system budget (no actual envelopes, though; I did this in Quicken), with money allocated to categories.  I made sure that my monthly allocation for 12 months could be covered by the 9 months of assistantship money.

You could do something similar--the amount you transfer to yourself could include money for savings, as well; just include that as a monthly "expense" in your budget.  The challenge, of course, is limiting yourself to your "allowance" and regarding your savings as untouchable.  :)
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