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Penelope Trunk of Debt
« on: January 30, 2014, 05:25:35 PM »
Penelope Trunk, owner of Brazen Careerist and career advice extraordinaire. I respect her words and posts, but today she posted this article, which you can read by following the link or reading below.

My question: Is it Mustachian, or no?



http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2014/01/30/13-ways-to-keep-your-debt-from-holding-you-back/

I have tons of debt after launching four companies. There has never been a launch that didn’t mess up my personal finances. Most entrepreneurs have no credit – I am like that as well – so I have learned to live with debt and without credit. This is what has enabled me to take risks, set lofty goals, and go after dreams that lots of people tell themselves their debt precludes.

How do I do it? It’s all mental. Here are thirteen ways to think about debt to keep it from ruining your life.

1. Compartmentalize.
When you’re saving for a house you still buy food.  When you go on vacation you still expect to buy a car in the next ten years. That’s compartmentalization. We compartmentalize our financial requirements to enable us to have a long-term goal and fulfill short-term needs too.  Get a money-allocation system in place that will keep creditors from calling all the time, and then stop thinking about it. Do that system and any money left over put toward your bigger goals.

(For a visual explanation of compartmentalization, see the photo up top. Last year I set aside the fact that our house is missing siding and I used that money to build a new section in my garden so I wouldn’t miss spring planting.)

2. Make deals and stick to them.
You can negotiate with anyone. Most creditors are used to negotiating payback plans – it’s part of the business of lending money. So propose one you can manage without too much duress. If they say no, then tell them to take you to court. They rarely will. Instead they’ll likely just accept what you’re offering. Even if it’s the IRS, if you show that you are offering what you can pay without ruining your life, they’ll take the offer. Then stick to the agreement. Consider it a tax for living. And then you can go on with your life.

3. Give up the idea of retirement.
Retirement is an idea from the 1950s when people hated their work. Today you can find fulfilling, engaging work with no need ever to stop doing it. Most baby boomers could not retire, but it ends up that not retiring is a better way to live the end of your life – you remain engaged and relevant and involved. We do not need to aspire to having a pile of money at the end of life, so then continuing to pay back debt at the end is not that bad a situation.

4. Realize you can take back the debt’s power.
At big milestones like graduation, marriage, kids, we can choose to feel optimistic or we can choose to focus on our fears. When it comes to our outlook, 70% is driven by our genes. But you control the other 30%. Practice being optimistic and happy-go-lucky with your debt. When you practice optimism in one area it ripples into other areas in your life.

5. Don’t stop taking risks – the price is too high.
One of the most common regrets people have at the end of their life is that they didn’t take risks. They played it too safe. Most of your life will include some form of debt. If you put off doing what you want because of your debt you are way more likely to have regrets than if you pay your debt off really slowly, or if you never even get it paid off.

6. Talk to your friends.
When people started talking about what sex they were having, they understood both sex and themselves better. Lots of people try gay sex who aren’t gay. Lots of women ejaculate during orgasm. Lots of men can’t keep an erection. We didn’t know all that until we talked freely about it. Talking about something enables everyone to cope with their problems. It’s true with debt, too. If you find out what other people are doing and how they are feeling you can get better ideas for coping with your debt.

7. Forget about the dream of zero debt if you want kids.
I don’t know anyone in their 40s who has kids and no debt. Well, I know one person: she hired me to coach her because she is pathological about saving money and she never feels secure. Otherwise, people who have kids have debt because it’s human nature to want to give your kids what you can give them. And it’s human nature to be willing to go into debt to do that. Once you know that, you can free yourself from the need of being debt-free before you have kids, (or don’t have them).

8. Achieve financial security as a mental state.
Financial security is all mental. Science says it has to do with the people around you: do you have the same amount of money as the people around you? If you do, you feel okay. Which means a lot of financial management in life comes down to doing a good job of deciding where to live. If you live in NYC with college debt, you feel poor since the millionaires around you could pay cash to get rid of that debt. If you live in Appalachia with college debt you feel rich since you could leave and get a job, and your neighbors cannot. Put yourself somewhere so you can get to a good mental state.

9. Don’t use debt as an excuse.
A risk-taking mentality is not a result of good finances. Entrepreneurs take financial risks all the time, even after they have ruined their personal finances. Don’t tell yourself you’ll take risks after your debt is paid off. It’s simply not true. If you are not taking risks when you have tons of debt you are probably not a risk taker. For better or worse. Debt is not actually bad in itself, but entertaining false beliefs about yourself and debt is.

10. Stop putting so much money toward your debt.
Negotiate the minimum amount you can put toward the debt. It might feel like you’ll never pay it off, but it doesn’t matter. Paying it off does not actually change your life, and  financial stability comes from something deeper than paying off debt. So put the least amount of money possible toward the debt and then use your money to do something that will change the trajectory of your life. Good money research: if you put your money toward experiences, money can make you happy.

11. Just tell people you don’t have money.
Look, we don’t have debtors prison anymore. If you don’t make enough to pay your college loans, you can put them in forbearance. Forever. It’s not against the law to not have money to pay your taxes. It’s against the law to lie about it. You have to tell the government how much you owe, and you have to tell the government why you can’t pay. If you do that, the IRS is actually pretty nice about it. I know: I’ve done it. And credit card debt goes away after seven years (three years in Kansas!). So you might be able to wait it out. (I’ve done that, too.)

12. Declare bankruptcy.
You’d be surprised how many people declare bankruptcy. In fact, a very big group of people declaring bankruptcy are medical students who don’t want to be doctors. See? You’d never guess, right? There is a false belief that bankruptcy is somehow dishonest. It’s not. It’s admitting that you made bad financial decisions. People who gave you money expecting to get it back took a risk. They are professional risk takers. And they took into account everything they knew about you. So, they bet wrong: you couldn’t pay back the money. They are gamblers, and it’s part of their business to get stung by bankruptcy sometimes.

13. Wait out the terrible feelings instead of panicking.
Debt is like depression. It feels big or small at different times in your life. And sometimes if you wait, it will go away. College debt seems insurmountable in your 20s, but the average college debt is $26,000, and the earning power of someone in their 40s makes that debt seem manageable. Paying for two teenage kids to get all the way to college while you’re paying a mortgage and buying a car and paying for summer camp sounds impossible. But the kids will grow up and then your cash needs will decrease.

There is no point in being the most financially responsible person you know. You will not be rewarded. It’s like being the kid who gets a better score than everyone else on the test. Being that much better than everyone else serves no purpose but to skew the curve.

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Re: Penelope Trunk of Debt
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 06:22:19 PM »
Wow.  Just wow.

That was thoroughly repulsive.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2014, 06:45:47 PM »
I must be doing everything wrong..... lol

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 06:58:41 PM »
I dislike all of her advice.  It comes from a place that I don't relate to and seems removed from reality.  Everything she writes is calculated to get a reaction imo.  This particular article was particularly bad advice.

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 07:13:08 PM »
I must be doing everything wrong..... lol

Lol


When she said "I don't know anyone in their 40s with kids and no debt" my first thought was "you need to upgrade your friends".   

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 08:06:54 PM »
Penelope Trunk is interesting, but IMO she should not be taken seriously.

And Mustachian?  She is the ULTIMATE antimustachian. 

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 08:28:08 PM »
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I am not sure about debt, per se, but I definitely think that needing money is what makes me work. And I have seen it in the people I coach. It’s really really hard to build a career you care about if you don’t need money because every career requires us to do stuff we don’t want to do.

Penelope

So, it was a pretty horrible article but I looked into the comments as saw her write that.  That helps me understand where she's coming from.  I think there is probably something to that.  There can be a nice convergence of liking your career generally that gets you into your field but the push from needing money that gets you over some of the more tedious tasks.  Still, my solution to that is going to be to really assess what I want after FI and see if a career is part of that.  It's not going to be stay in debt and not have enough invested so I never have a choice.

Edit: and I can't not link to this other great article: "your friends are your health insurance".  You can always commit fraud by using their policies.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 08:53:48 PM »
I must be doing everything wrong..... lol

Lol


When she said "I don't know anyone in their 40s with kids and no debt" my first thought was "you need to upgrade your friends".


Haha, I know.  She went off on the hopelessness of debt and totally lost me.

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Re: Penelope Trunk of Debt
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 09:37:49 PM »
Obviously we all have a different view on debt than she does. I just threw up in my mouth!

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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2014, 09:40:17 PM »
Credit card debt just automagically vanishes? I've been doing it wrong!

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2014, 10:10:14 PM »
Penelope Trunk...

« Last Edit: January 30, 2014, 10:13:30 PM by MrMyMoney »

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Re: Penelope Trunk of Debt
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2014, 09:37:35 AM »
All I learned from that article is never loan money to her or I'll never get it back. Actually, I can't expect any financial dealing with her to end fairly as I expect her not to pay the right amount even if I was selling a product to her.

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2014, 09:44:52 AM »
This strikes me as a pretty optimistic viewpoint of some underlying issues that she doesn't want to address. The outlook is positive and upbeat, but it's sitting on top of a fatalistic viewpoint that we Mustachians don't subscribe to.
Not really my thing. The attitude is good, but I vote that it's very much antimustachian.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2014, 02:19:34 PM »
She is saying this to get readers. Most people who are in debt don't want to be told that they're living far above their means and ruining their lives. They rather be told(by a woman in the spotlight) that debt is okay and normal. It's literally a cruel ploy for HER to make money. This will get eaten up by the masses.

I am a very very very large man who loves to over eat. I'm 6'6 370lbs.. The only thing I need to do to lose weight, is not eat so much. Extremely simple.

All my overweight friends come up to me "there is this new diet pill/miracle that you continue eating a billion calories a day, but it still has you lose weight!!!"

These types of gimmicks are all marketing.

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2014, 02:49:22 PM »
"Give up the idea of retirement."

This sounds like Tim Ferriss, who advocates having a series of mini-retirements or something like that.  From him, I don't think it's at odds with this site, because he seems to be referring to "retirement" where you are lazy and spend lots of money on the golf course.

"Today you can find fulfilling, engaging work with no need ever to stop doing it. "

This reminds me of a recent popular article on Slate, against the "Do What You Love" mantra:

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2014/01/do_what_you_love_love_what_you_do_an_omnipresent_mantra_that_s_bad_for_work.2.html

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2014, 03:38:50 PM »
It makes me wonder if the OP is Penelpe Trunk looking to increase readership on her site.

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2014, 03:49:15 PM »
Nah, if it were her she wouldn't have posted the entire thing, just an excerpt for click-bait. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2014, 03:52:12 PM »
I'm glad I'm not the only who laughed out loud when I read "I respect her words and posts"

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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2014, 03:53:46 PM »
If I lived like this article says to, I couldn't sleep at night. I know several baby boomers that have lived the way this article says and are under a type of stress I never want to face in my life. My 72 year old father works at Walmart and it's sad. I don't want that to be me.

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2014, 03:59:53 PM »
Yeah. . .  "Today you can find fulfilling, engaging work with no need ever to stop doing it"--unless you become disabled, get sick, get laid off and can't find a new job, find your job skills no longer fit the market and your credit sucks too much to get the loans to go back to school. . . 

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2014, 04:00:48 PM »
Nah, if it were her she wouldn't have posted the entire thing, just an excerpt for click-bait.

Yep, think you are right about that. 

The level of self-promotion and shock value used to direct you to her products reminds me of how Garth Turner sells his financial services in Canada. 

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2014, 04:14:43 PM »
The whole post reminded of that old joke:

The only way to avoid a hangover is to keep drinking.

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2014, 04:20:44 PM »
Nah, if it were her she wouldn't have posted the entire thing, just an excerpt for click-bait.

Yep, think you are right about that. 

The level of self-promotion and shock value used to direct you to her products reminds me of how Garth Turner sells his financial services in Canada.

Although it is interesting that this is the OP's first post...

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2014, 05:04:59 PM »
When it comes to our outlook, 70% is driven by our genes. But you control the other 30%.

[citation needed]

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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2014, 05:36:25 PM »
WoW! This article is, I think, supposed to take the readers' cloudy days of self-imposed debt and the depression/stress they likely feel because of it and say, "don't worry. You're okay." So they will read this, feel happy, and wake up at 5 AM thinking about the CC bill or student loans. CRAP. I almost was following her when she said don't worry about debt and pay the minimum because I am stupidly paying off a SL w/ 3.0% interest just to get rid of it when I could be investing the money. Then I realized she had no intention of investing the money, just spending it on experiences. IMHO, there are many free experiences that one can have w/o paying for the Carnival Cruise that I think she is imagining.

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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2014, 10:50:07 AM »
The thing I like about Penelope Trunk is that she always makes me think. It's like she's devil's advocate or something, haha. I'm also impressed by how her sensationalized and kind of crazy viewpoints much get her SO MUCH TRAFFIC.

But yeah, this article on debt... is nuts.

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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2014, 12:08:54 PM »
This is probably the worst financial advice I have ever read.  I understand that debt has its uses, but if your only argument for it is "feeling financially secure in your debt is just a matter of how you frame it in your mind" then I think you might lack credibility on the subject.

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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2014, 11:41:20 AM »
Ugh, I hate all of this advice, so so much! Being debt-free feels amazing. This lady and I could never be friends.

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« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2014, 01:32:54 PM »
I think she's a sociopath. Her advice is either ethically questionable or illegal (insurance fraud). She basically has no regard for anyone but herself, not even her kids. Who's going to cleanup the mess she makes or take care of her when she has no savings at 80.

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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2014, 02:00:24 PM »
That to me is very bizarre advice.

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« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2014, 02:40:00 PM »
I think she's a sociopath. Her advice is either ethically questionable or illegal (insurance fraud). She basically has no regard for anyone but herself, not even her kids. Who's going to cleanup the mess she makes or take care of her when she has no savings at 80.

"sociopath" is exactly the word I thought of.

so disturbed.

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« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2014, 03:03:54 PM »
That to me is very bizarre advice.

Even if you remove yourself from the theme of this site and put yourself into a normal financial environment where you purchase cars on credit and maybe buy a touch too much house than you can afford and don't save quite enough.....  this is still very bizarre advice.  That the comments section seems to essentially be filled with "YOU GO GIRL" types of comments leaves me a little confused.

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« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2014, 07:36:58 PM »
I loved her blog for her strong opinions, but this post actually inspired me to finally *unsubscribe*. Really, she doesn't know anyone who has kids who's not in debt?

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« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2014, 09:13:04 PM »
It makes me wonder if the OP is Penelpe Trunk looking to increase readership on her site.

Nope. I'm just curious what others reactions are. New to MMM, old follower of PT's career/homeschooling advice for women.

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« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2014, 10:07:22 PM »
Who's going to cleanup the mess she makes or take care of her when she has no savings at 80.
I'm going harsh on this one.....PT lost me many years ago with her bullshit columns on Yahoo Finance.....my goodness, in my pre ERE / pre MMM days, I recognized her for the bullshit queen with horrible advice for what it was. 

More specific to the quoted question:  No one will take care of her.  With that M/O, she'll use and abuse everyone and eventually find herself alone as everyone tires of her "gimmie, gimmie, gimmie" ways.  She'll also get old and ugly eventually and won't be able to rely on her looks any more - she'll have to rely on her [giggle] smarts and personality, clearly on display in the OP's quote.  She'll end up pushing a shopping cart with all her things, to die under a bridge somewhere.

It'll be the city / county M/E putting her into a paupers grave for clean up as the other folks who had followed her advice would have picked her shopping cart clean of anything useful.

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« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2014, 11:13:59 PM »
I'm going harsh on this one......She'll end up pushing a shopping cart with all her things, to die under a bridge somewhere.

Isn't she pushing a shopping cart full of experiences though?

Reminds me a bit of Paris Hilton -- someone who thinks of herself as a businesswoman when it is quite clear that she is nothing but a self-absorbed, self-promoting twit.

Oh well -- makes the world go round, I guess.

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« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2014, 02:32:42 PM »
This is what she wants! Just like those tasteless Kmart commercials around the holidays. People talking about her.

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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2014, 10:53:29 AM »
Sadly, I actually think Paris Hilton is a better businesswoman than she is. PT had this phase on her blog where her husband was abusive and she didn't leave. It drove my crazy and that's when I stopped reading. I didn't really buy most of what she said before that but sometimes it was like watching a train wreck happen, you just couldn't stop reading.

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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2014, 09:02:22 PM »
Nah, if it were her she wouldn't have posted the entire thing, just an excerpt for click-bait.

Yep, think you are right about that. 

The level of self-promotion and shock value used to direct you to her products reminds me of how Garth Turner sells his financial services in Canada.

You either own a house in Toronto or Vancouver. Maybe Calgary.

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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2014, 11:09:09 PM »
Nah, if it were her she wouldn't have posted the entire thing, just an excerpt for click-bait.

Yep, think you are right about that. 

The level of self-promotion and shock value used to direct you to her products reminds me of how Garth Turner sells his financial services in Canada.

You either own a house in Toronto or Vancouver. Maybe Calgary.

No. 

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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2014, 07:33:22 AM »
Is this consistent with the idea of spending meaningfully and striving to increase your personal savings rate?

Not at all.

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How do I do it? It’s all mental.

I used to be mental about it too.  I did very similar things.  But in the 1990s I remember we used to ask people "Are you mental or something?"

It's not good to be mental.

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Retirement is an idea from the 1950s when people hated their work.

How does she know this, was she there taking surveys?

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When people started talking about what sex they were having, they understood both sex and themselves better. Lots of people try gay sex who aren’t gay. Lots of women ejaculate during orgasm. Lots of men can’t keep an erection. We didn’t know all that until we talked freely about it.

From Penelope Trunk, Awkward Things You Never Cared to Know!  All proof people talk too much sometimes imho =p.

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10. Stop putting so much money toward your debt.
Negotiate the minimum amount you can put toward the debt. It might feel like you’ll never pay it off, but it doesn’t matter. Paying it off does not actually change your life, and  financial stability comes from something deeper than paying off debt. So put the least amount of money possible toward the debt and then use your money to do something that will change the trajectory of your life.

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There is no point in being the most financially responsible person you know. You will not be rewarded. It’s like being the kid who gets a better score than everyone else on the test. Being that much better than everyone else serves no purpose but to skew the curve.

This is just not true and I have to disagree.  One of the most life altering events I’ve ever experienced was getting out of debt.  If I could somehow bundle up my mental/emotional state post debt and transmit it accurately to people who are in debt, you’d see a drastic pay down of every kind of debt imaginable!  To say getting my financial house together changed my life trajectory would be completely accurate.

It's also not about being "better" than other people, it's about being better for your own sake in a way that can benefit other people (but that's incidental).

She’s right in the sense that you don’t suddenly become euphorically happy… well actually you do, but that dies down after a bit.  What does last though is real and harder to describe.   And she’s right in the sense debt is like depression, but if you could get rid of depression completely why wouldn’t you?

You don’t know what that is until you’ve experienced it, to realize your personal actions do matter and you can make yourself happier despite it all. I can’t really scorn her though; there was a point when I was so far upside down financially speaking I believed the same or similar things.  But that’s not the truth, that’s as a coping mechanism for someone experiencing cognitive dissonance.

But it’s okay to have cognitive dissonance as long as it leads to a resolution.  I pray this is just the prelude to her “Come to Jesus” moment.

One of the most, for lack of a better word, empowering things about my life now is I don’t have debt or borrow money.  It’s not nearly as dramatic as exiting debt, but it really is a lifestyle you can choose if that’s what you really want, and makes you think about things very, very differently.

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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2014, 07:48:48 AM »
I've read a bit more about Penelope Trunk since first seeing this post, and I think that her debt is likely the least of her problems.

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Re: Penelope Trunk of Debt
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2014, 05:36:27 PM »
I've read a bit more about Penelope Trunk since first seeing this post, and I think that her debt is likely the least of her problems.

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I've been a reader of hers since 2009, but I certainly don't agree with quite a bit of what she does.

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Re: Penelope Trunk of Debt
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2014, 07:13:10 PM »
And pray tell:  What could be more problematic than being an idiot when it comes to money, and (seemingly) being an idiot in general?  What other idiocies is this chick up to??? 
 
For the record, I'm not curious enough to start personally reading anything she has written!

I *completely* agree with LalsConstant that being debt-free is far and away a better place emotionally than juggling debt while swimming in a famous river in Egypt.  What a horror to not be sure if you're about to bounce a check and incur insufficient charge fees.  It fully sucks to have noplace to turn if you should need a root canal or a crown or something.  No matter how much you tell yourself that you're a visionary risk-taker, there's still going to be those moments of shame where you put the items back on the shelf because your card declined.


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Re: Penelope Trunk of Debt
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2014, 06:41:36 AM »
And pray tell:  What could be more problematic than being an idiot when it comes to money, and (seemingly) being an idiot in general?  What other idiocies is this chick up to??? 
 
For the record, I'm not curious enough to start personally reading anything she has written!

Uhh, well, I'm not sure I'd call it "idiocies" but probably "life complications" or something, because it seems she's experienced domestic violence and abuse, and childhood sexual abuse, and shared an in-progress miscarriage while at a work function, among other eyebrow-raising things that she's shared over the years: http://jezebel.com/5871929/who-is-penelope-trunk

It seems to me that she tends to over-share in the interest of getting web traffic, and she seems to enjoy the controversy she sparks when sharing these details. But she also seems... what's a nice way of saying this? She seems pretty damaged to me. I honestly feel sympathy for her more than anger about the bad advice she gives; my DH works with teenage girls who have experienced trauma, and their decision-making abilities... just aren't the greatest, you know? It's like physical and emotional trauma causes a huge ripple effect in their life, and so saying silly, illogical things about how to manage debt and finances seems almost normal, based on knowing this. I obviously can't say for sure, but I'm not going to waste any time reading Penelope Trunk's advice on anything. *shrug*

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!