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Zette

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Path to becoming a small business owner
« on: May 23, 2020, 09:48:31 AM »
My 14 yo son is starting high school in the fall.  He currently says he does NOT want to go to college. (I think the 8th grade teachers have been laying “you’ll have to do it this way in college” on a bit too thick on boring assignments.) I’m encouraging him to keep his options open, to look at both trade school and college when the time comes.  He likes the idea of being a small business owner, but doesn’t have any specific business in mind.  He’s not interested in any of the construction trades, I’m picturing something more like owning a frozen yogurt shop or providing a service like carpet cleaning.

Supposing he sticks to this idea of becoming a small business owner, what preparation or experiences should we encourage? How could we best use the $200k or so that we have set aside for college to help him get started?


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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2020, 01:44:24 PM »
It sounds to me like he's feeling a bit burnt out on school. He also might not understand why people go to college. It's to get career training and at the very least, to get a piece of paper so his resume is competitive.
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Private sudbury highschool so he can take time to think about who he is and what he wants in life

Boarding school abroad so he can experience other cultures

Dual credit highschool courses so he can get college credit in highschool and graduate with an associate's degree

Internships,  maybe not right now but an internship as a carpet cleaner would help him figure out that he would rather have a college degree than do manual labor.

Get him a book or two on how to start a small business. He can get a bachelor's degree in business and entrepreneurship if he wants.  He has to learn those skills somehow.

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2020, 01:58:39 PM »
Why can’t he start a small business now? Mowing, deliver newspapers, pet sit, raise chickens to sell eggs, worm farm, wash cars, something. He will need to learn how to sell, market himself, etc.


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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2020, 02:03:08 PM »
I noticed Nextdoor.com is now allowing members to register business pages. There are two categories:
  • Professional business
  • Resident available for hire to provide services (dog walker, lawn care, etc)

If you can get him to come up with a service he can provide to your local area, and Nextdoor is available with a large population where you live, check it out. You can create a business profile and then list a "business deal" that is exposed to everyone in the neighborhood and it's pretty cheap (where your $200k comes in, even though it's low as $3 I saw).

It's a great way to get started doing some things in the neighborhood to build a reputation, learn, and avoid things that are going to require professional certificates, etc.

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2020, 05:31:33 PM »
Unless your son is already demonstrating an aptitude for making/saving/investing his own money into business-like activities (you've made no mention of this) and discipline to match, it is way the heck too early to be thinking of/encouraging him to start a business of his own after graduation.  In fact, I don't even think you should be presenting it as an option to him, and in no way should you be thinking about setting aside the 200k nest egg in order to purchase a business for him.  That doesn't mean you have to pack him off to college against his will (and it's also way early to think that he might be opposed to it-- there's a lot of excitement he can get swept up in his later high school years as his friends and peers start prepping for their college lives.)  There are lots of options.  But I really don't think 'becoming a business owner' is a good one.

I don't know if you & your spouse are small business owners yourself, but there is a sort of glamour and prestige to ~being a small business owner~ that people like to talk up.  Hey, isn't it nice to set your own hours, own your own [insert the blank], be the boss?  As a small business owner, I don't work for The Man, I work for myself!!  Who needs a ridiculously expensive degree when you can just Own Your Own Business??  That sort of thing. But the fact is, most small businesses fail.  Some of them fail small, they make enough for the owners to live on and run their course.  Some fail big and cost their owners tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, years of their lives, and loads of stress.  Even the successful ones can be a ball and chain upon their owners.  Businesses take money, dedication, tons of hard work, experience, and a lot of luck to succeed.  You can provide your son with only one of those things-- he has to be willing to learn/work on the rest.

You ask 'what preparation and experiences should we encourage?'   I actually recommend a customer service type job-- yup, receptionist or food service or retail.  One where he's going to need to deal with people from all walks of life and learn to deal warmly and professionally with them-- and a really important skill for business owners because they need to deal warmly and professionally with employees, customers & clients, even the shithead ones.  In that same vein, encourage him to take charge of his own money, whether it's allowance or wages.  Teach him the value of tracking every bit of it, saving, investing, and spending smartly in ways that maximize the benefits he gets.   Business owners are always faced with the question of what to do with money they've earned-- what do they keep, and what do they reinvest into the business?  How can they invest in their business to maximize their profits/make their lives go more smoothly?

As a personal example, I run a... I hesitate to call it a small business, lol.  Maybe more like a micro-business, just me making crafts and selling them to the tune of ~30-100 odd orders a month.  And even that takes me a ton of time and energy, research into popular trends, networking, familiarity with my market, managing inventory and supplies.  It's great... but only because I love what I do, and I actually enjoy both the creative aspects and the monotonous parts of my business.  And I'm also only able to do it so well after plugging away at an ordinary office job for 7 years, learning from my company's successes and failures, and seeing firsthand the disastrous results that come about from a lack of tracking and organization.  Similarly, whether or not he goes to college, starts a business, becomes a tradesperson, joins the Peace Corp, or whatever-- the keys to success depends on the skills your son wants to learn for himself.
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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2020, 10:20:43 AM »
I’m not thinking of giving him the 200k right out of high school.  My thinking is more that if he doesn’t go to college (not a foregone conclusion at this point) and he gets some experience and then is in a position to start a business, he could use it as start up capital.  But what experience is valuable? How would he find a business to work for to learn the ropes? My husband and I are engineers and have no experience with small businesses, so I was hoping someone who went down that road could relate their experience.

I did find a couple of programs that have a business degree oriented toward an associates or bachelors in “entrepreneurship and small business management”, so that might be an option.  Are those good preparation or a waste of time compared to learning on the job? (He’s been watching too many videos about how the “left” has captured the liberal arts, and that seems to be the main objection to college.)

My son asked “is it ok if I don’t want to go into a STEM career?” and I have to agree he doesn’t seem to have the interest or aptitude for anything science, engineering, or traditional trades like auto repair, plumbing, healthcare techninian, etc.  His interests run toward creative writing, game design (the storyline, not the coding or the art), and history.  He has Aspergers and ADHD, so people skills and detail work are not a strength. I think he might be better off to be self employed since working in a group or dealing with office politics aren’t likely to be successful for him.  Our high school has a trade school program with courses in game design and film production that he is interested in. I’m just not sure that there are that many jobs available if he goes that route, and want to explore backup options.
(He is an A/B student, so community college or a state 4 year school will also be options. I’m just trying to picture what other paths are possible.)

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2020, 01:35:43 PM »
I recommend you get him this book by a curmudgeonly author named John T. Reed called Succeeding:

https://johntreed.com/products/succeeding

I enjoy his rational perspective on how to succeed in life based on his experience and his observations of others. Very non-sensational.

Some key ideas:

- Match your career choice to your personality. If you are not a people person, do not pick a job that requires you to have lots of face to face interaction.

- To learn more about a particular career path, shadowing someone who does that job is a useful information gathering technique. John T Reed wishes he had done that before going to West Point because the army was a big disappointment to him and was a bad fit for his personality.

- He covers entrepreneurship specifically and while he has succeeded in that path, he indicates it is not for everyone.

On another note, as someone who has his own business, I’d recommend your son pick a business that his little to no start-up costs. I think if he likes the act of generating money through his own direct labor and competence he’ll get hooked and explore his options. Not all businesses are alike but I do think you have to get a kick out of doing something a little better than someone else and being compensated for it.

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2020, 06:39:18 PM »
Fish Sweet is 100% right.  Being a small business owner is a dream that is oversold.  If you're one of the lucky few tenths of a percent who get big and who can then either cash out or ride the gravy train, sure, it's great.  For ninety percent, the business will fail within five years. For the remaining 9-point-something percent, it means putting in a LOT of time and effort, feeling a huge deal of stress, and dealing with a lot of uncertainty.  How many small businesses are going under right now because of an unforeseen and unforseeable pandemic and subsequent government reaction?

I work for one of those small businesses, one of the lucky few.  I know the owner personally quite well.  His job is basically "everything his employees aren't responsible for."  He's fortunate that the business has been successful enough that he can hire an accountant, some sales guys, and some folks to do customer service, so that he can focus on the actual "business" side of it--marketing, product management, business strategy, etc.  Most small business owners aren't that lucky.  A guy can be an exceptional plumber, but still fail because he lacks the ability, motivation, or time to manage the 50% of the work that has nothing to do with sweating joints or solvent welding pipe.

Being a small business owner isn't about the schedule flexibility or the profit.  It's about doing the actual work, yes, but also it's the accounting, the paperwork, the customer service, the marketing, the sales, dealing with happy and unhappy customers, the regulatory red tape, the taxes, finding and hiring the right employees and dealing with the wrong ones etc, etc, etc.

Small businesses *do* have the benefit of flexibility and responsiveness, the ability to pivot quickly when a new opportunity arises.  But an easy path to wealth it ain't.

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2020, 11:28:51 PM »
Totally depends on what the small business is; many have little in common with others aside from the fact that they are small businesses. When I hear someone say, "I want to be an entrepreneur" or "I want to run a small business," I immediately think "of what?"

At your son's age, any working experience is a good experience. He should try a bunch of things to see what he likes and dislikes:

-The paper route/lawn mowing/dog walking approach can teach him whether he likes doing the work to make work for himself where none existed before.
-Working in retail can teach him whether he has the patience for customer service.
-Bookkeeping can teach him whether he likes working with numbers, and whether numbers talk to him.
-Interning at a company can teach him whether he cares to navigate office politics and do what it takes to prosper in a corporate environment.

And so on, and of course this is all without mentioning the benefits of whatever technical skills these endeavors confer. I think if a teenager is out there working at something, they can't go wrong.

You mentioned that he likes writing. If he wants to write for a living, CC/university may in fact be a good move for him because of all the writing he'll need to do. (As a translator, I make most of my money with writing skills, maybe 70% vs 30% with source language comprehension; the writing is the rarer of the skills. I made my biggest leaps in writing with a good 12th grade English teacher and an upper division writing class in college)

The other approach is to write write write and hope that he has the self-development capacity to make it as a pro. While this is possible, it's a lower percentage play than learning to write and having to write in school.

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2020, 02:30:31 AM »
Hi Zette, quit a bit of different response but I put it in anyway. Our 11yo is going to a democratic school since a year. For more information see this link: http://alternativestoschool.com/articles/democratic-schools/

The reason for transferring him was completely different (he was severely bullied at his former school and since we're going to transfer him anyway we decided to go look at this school as well besides regular schools, the rest is history :)). They encourage kids to really think about what they want to do later in life and once they decided start working toward it, instead of pulling a kid though a certain level at high school and deciding based on that level which options you have. His school also has a summer-program for kids who want to start their own business. It's a six-week program in which (as I understood from the message board since our son is still to young to enter the program, I believe it's for 16 yo and older) they get information about setting up a business, running it, meet local business owners (in fact, they run the program) and practical help, it's possible to finish with your own business.
I thought it a really good opportunity for those kids who are interested in owning a business to learn more, build up a network of local business owners etc. Maybe you can ask around in your neighborhood if something like this runs there as well.

On the money question: I don't know, maybe you can give him a small business loan if needed, or pay for education on specific skills he needs. But I wouldn't give him the 200K for his own business. When the business fails and he decides to pursue other skills there is a safety net, and if the business succeeds, well, you can find other ways to grand him the money (help him buying a house?) if you wish.

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2020, 08:33:50 AM »
You know, I agree with a lot of what is said above.

I own a small business. It is a law firm. But, I also sold candy to make my own money in middle school. I got friends together and started a lawn mowing service in high school. I quit a big corporate law job within months because I calculated the gross receipts I generated and compared to to my salary and understood no matter how fancy the extra perks or seemingly big the salary, I was making others fabulously rich and I should just as well do it for myself. I'm trying to point out, I had a natural inclination for business and money and it showed very early. It's funny, the successful independent businessmen I know all have stories like this. I think it is a personality quality some people are naturally inclined toward.

I think it would be an error to think that someone who doesn't like school is naturally going to master entrepreneurship (which will require mastering all kinds of subjects that are taught in school). Also, most higher education business programs are designed to teach you to work in an existing business - not create your own.

For a small business owner who is naturally inclined and successful, all the positive things you hear about are true. But, for those that don't really get it, they remain stuck in the mud and, often, with debt and consequences for their failed business. It really gets bad when the person is more of a dreamer and has a family member or bank sink significant assets trying to prop them up when they really just don't "get it."

For me, you should not give your son more than a few thousand dollars in seed money to start his business. The business has to generate money and profit to be sustainable. Sinking capital into a small business while imagining major venture capital business models is out of touch. A small business for a single person/family should be providing a service for a profit on day one. Do work, get paid. Rinse and repeat. Then you look for better and better opportunities and services to provide (better means less time and more money). If you find a service that is in such demand that the owner has more work than he/she can personally provide and need help (employees) to provide that service to to numerous customers then you have found a good small business and you can jump from self-employment to true business ownership. It really makes no difference what the business is, you may sell toilet paper like Charmin or create a new app. The key is that it reliably makes money. It turns out selling toilet paper is a more reliable business than creating an app even though so many people are enamored with ideas like apps rather than essential services like toilet paper - you know what I mean?

It's like I could have tried to start a law firm doing intellectual property consulting or charging people $750 to help them with their drunk driving problem. Which one is more reliable for a single attorney starting out? I'll answer, I made a lot of money on traffic tickets and other common problems. 10 years later, I have employees and enough capital to look for more profitable cases and take calculated risks for bigger paydays. Some of the new opportunities are "sexier" than traffic cases and, I notice, other attorneys want to skip the drudgery and start by taking the risks for the big payday and it doesn't really work.

If you want to learn more about entrepreneurship, try reading some books so you can see the path more clearly and then think about whether your son demonstrates the qualities needed to carry out the task:

1. Cashflow Quadrant by Robert Kiyosaki
2. The E-Myth by Michael Gerber
3. The Millionaire Mind - Thomas Stanley

Those three will start to illuminate the life of a small business owner.


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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2020, 11:47:24 AM »
I majored in entrepreneurship in college with a BA in Business Administration. Like FIREby35 said I was one of those kids who always had business ideas. I sold pencils and part of my lunch in Elementary school, I sold candy at summer camp (undercutting the camp store), I started a website with my friends and almost made some advertising money before the dotcom bubble burst.

I planned to go work at a start-up after college but I met my wife and we had a baby on the way and ended up moving to a new city where I had no network, a brand new degree and I took the first job I could find. It happened to be in commercial real estate, an industry I had never considered in college. It's provided a decent career over the last decade or so but I've finally been able to start a small side business. I'm only making a few hundred in profit per month but I enjoy all of it, even the things like learning bookkeeping and accounting or registering my business and getting the paperwork to be able to purchase items for resale without paying sales tax.

My goal now is to save enough money to purchase an existing business. I'm going to keep growing and running this side business and potentially I could grow it to the point where I could sell it and use that money to buy a larger business that would support my family.


While some businesses require substantial capital, there are plenty of things an enterprising teenager can do to make a dollar that require little or no upfront investment - just a willingness to find customers and work. Here's over 100 different ideas https://www.sidehustlenation.com/ideas/

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2020, 12:36:49 PM »
He likes the idea of being a small business owner, but doesn’t have any specific business in mind.  He’s not interested in any of the construction trades, I’m picturing something more like owning a frozen yogurt shop or providing a service like carpet cleaning.

That's a pretty vague 'goal' he has along with some specific ideas you have, which is all fine given he's 14 and you're an adult.

I'd say, like any kid, encourage him to work hard and do well at school AND work AND extracurricular activities during high school (what he does later that has promise will likely evolve out of an interest and talent related to one of them).  He can focus his "free"/"extra" hours toward the one that he enjoys the most, but he needs to learn to do his best at all of them, as we all have to continue doing in whatever we end up doing.  In a couple years he'll start having a better idea as to what he likes, what he's good at, and therefore what might be next after high school. 

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2020, 02:19:22 PM »
I had a high school friend who was doing tech consulting in high school, back when it was a given that a nerdy kid could successfully set up a network of computers and software better than most adults. The one thing I remember specifically helping him was

Junior Achievement

That club helped him learn the important business skills so he could go out right from school and start a real company doing his IT work. By 6 years later he had sold it and was starting another. If your kid joins JA and doesn’t show some alacrity, maybe business ownership is not the right path. But it could point him in the right direction and get him motivated.

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Re: Path to becoming a small business owner
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2020, 05:18:17 PM »

Encourage him to start a small business while still a kid in school.

Introduce him to the concepts at https://www.popupbusinessschool.co.uk/ and various video interviews of those folks.   

If he takes to it like a duck to water, then he's a good candidate for owning his own business at some point.

If not, then probably not.

 

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