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dividendman

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Re: our new Indian overlords
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2017, 01:18:20 PM »
As an aside, I've had plenty of white bosses do the same thing. I quite frankly assumed that this WAS part of American values in the workplace.

The only consistent value I've seen across the American workplace is to increase profits and to screw the worker maximally if required to increase said profits.

Interestingly, labor protections in India are much greater than that of the United States.

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Re: our new Indian overlords
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2017, 04:01:40 PM »
At my last company talking to some new grads here on student visas, I learned that there are Indian recruiting/training companies that in addition to teaching skills code-camp style, will also give you fake work experience and fake references to pad your resume. They can also set you up to work for shady companies that have a deal with them. In both cases they get to keep a portion of your salary for the first X years.

I was in disbelief. How is this not a form of human trafficking??
Yes this is fairly common. nothing out of the ordinary.

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Re: our new Indian overlords
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2017, 04:02:38 PM »
I believe the word fuck is apreciated by MMM, so fuck u to the OP. :) 

Saying that I do not work in tech (healthcare actaully).  And my American corporation boss is just as bad as everything that is listed here.  I believe it's is easy to blame the race, and overlook the real problem here: American corporations taking advantage of the US Law system and finding the cheapest replacement to maximize profits for the top few.  In this case, the cheapest option has been h1b workers who are often new grads that speak another language with different accepted cultural norms.  I think blaming an entire race let's the corporation go free and ultimately doesn't stop the corporatin abuse.  I would recommend the OP to realize this and vote and affect change politically with this big picture in mind instead of his petty racist rant that takes the focus off the real problem.
lol looks like I hit a nerve.  American bosses can be very bad, but it is comparing apples to oranges.

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Re: our new Indian overlords
« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2017, 05:08:57 PM »
At my last company talking to some new grads here on student visas, I learned that there are Indian recruiting/training companies that in addition to teaching skills code-camp style, will also give you fake work experience and fake references to pad your resume. They can also set you up to work for shady companies that have a deal with them. In both cases they get to keep a portion of your salary for the first X years.

I was in disbelief. How is this not a form of human trafficking??

That was a big thing with the Russian immigrants in the '90s. There was a school in Brighton Beach that taught them how to pass a tech interview, and provided fake resumes. If they still didn't feel confident enough to pass the interview, they could pay extra to have someone take it for them (most contracting companies did phone interviews back then). If they landed a job, they would work in groups until they passed enough knowledge around to actually do the job.

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Re: our new Indian overlords
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2017, 11:50:49 AM »
At my last company talking to some new grads here on student visas, I learned that there are Indian recruiting/training companies that in addition to teaching skills code-camp style, will also give you fake work experience and fake references to pad your resume. They can also set you up to work for shady companies that have a deal with them. In both cases they get to keep a portion of your salary for the first X years.

I was in disbelief. How is this not a form of human trafficking??

It has a much older term than human trafficking: indentured servitude, which is often compared to slavery by historians.

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Re: our new Indian overlords
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Re: our new Indian overlords
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2017, 06:13:30 PM »
Point 1: I'm sure Americans were involved in these hiring decisions so it's also a problem with American culture too. Learn to look in your own culture's mirror before putting all the blame on others. It says something about you when your first explanation for a group of people's failings is true culture rather than your company's poor hiring skill. There are plenty of lazy idiots from American cultures, don't see you blaming American culture for their failings.

Point 2: you are falling in common trap of attributing a trait of a group of people you have limited experience with and extrapolating to a billion or so other people. Only people with limited exposure to a set of cultures and a frankly limited life experience would reach that conclusion. Also, Indian culture is not homogenous so your race or ethnicist comments, like most, are cherry picked to confirm your hateful views.

Point 3: anecdotes are not data. If I characterized all Americans based on my experience in my hometown I'd have a much poorer appreciation of good parts of American culture than I do now.

my interpretation of this as an outsider (industry - wise) and insider (ethnicity-wise) is you have a industry culture problem and are placing the blame on another culture because it's easier than admitting your company hired terrible offshore employees from terrible companies. This is the same as all the manufacturing companies blaming Chinese people and a few sketchy companies instead of their employers. I'd expect more from well educated people.

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Re: our new Indian overlords
« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2017, 07:06:29 PM »
This is a very sensitive topic for many.  Most people focus on manufacturing going to China or other parts of Asia.  What I've seen impact more middle-class and educated Americans is the mass influx of Indians taking high-tech jobs and changing the culture of many companies.

Dislcaimer: I'm not against Indians, some of my very good friends / colleagues are Indians, but even they, would never work for an Indian boss or an Indian company.

Many Indian companies now dominate the high tech sector and spreading out.  Many of them are using off-shore models, using Americans to sell work here, and do the work off-shore, at insanely low rates.  Many of them are getting into management in America, with Indian values that don't exactly value individuals or their rights.

I know of Indian companies using Indian recruiters trying to pretend to be American companies, looking for Americans to hire, or to sell to, using very questionable methods.  For instance, "Jane" (Janish in reality), or "Bob" (Bhavin), or "Adam" (Arun), or "Sean" (Satish) will call companies, trying to set up meetings to sell high tech services.  Once they find someone who responds, they try to recruit an American employee to get on the sales call to do the pitch.  Same thing with trying to get 1099 contractors or people looking for work, to find and work on their projects.

I found myself eventually working for an Indian boss.  He was fine at first, then became slowly more and more over-bearing and micro-managing.  A few times on vacation, he phoned me, and texted me, about inconsequential things.  That crossed the line for me.

I wrote off an F-bomb laden email to my boss, and basically gave an epic "FU" email (FIRE based) that I would not put up with this kind of behavior.  I never had to do that in my career before, but it seems to happen more and more with Indian bosses, who don't understand American values or autonomy to work.

I do feel a little sadness for the future generation of workers, who will have to put up with this kind of crap.  Politicians seem to focus on losing manufacturing jobs, but they are completely ignoring the loss of high paying tech jobs and other white collar jobs to Indians, which affects middle class Americans more, in my opinion, from a salary perspective and for the longer term perspective.

I find your assessment to be totally correct. I am pretty familiar with Indian culture and I can tell you they don't respect anyone's right.

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