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« on: December 15, 2018, 09:32:24 PM »
Howdy y’all!  I caught up with a friend last week and Mustachianism dominated the conversation.  He forwarded Tim Ferris' first interview with Mr. Money Mustache and it really resonated with me.  I'm so excited to have found this community so I can learn, be vulnerable with my spending habits, and push myself to retire at or before age 40.  Here's a bit about me:



Age 34 Male, some college but no degree (mechanical engineering), divorced at age 32 after ten years, casually dating, no kids or pets, three air plants.  I’m an outdoor adventure sports enthusiast (rock climbing, backpacking, mountain biking, snowboarding, etc).  I am all about optimizing happiness, and have no desire to climb the corporate ladder and retire with more money than I need to live simply.
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Mustachian strengths:
  • Living off-grid in a renovated '84 Avion camper for the past 3 years (similar to an airstream).  I pay $700/month to lease the corner of ranch in the Cleveland National Forest in CA (SE corner of Orange County).
  • No storage unit, everything I own is in my trailer or truck
  • No student loans
  • No CC debt
  • No debt on the travel trailer
  • No debt on a 250cc motorcycle that gets 75+mpg (Janus Phoenix).  I use this to get around LA when I’m in the city for a week or longer.
  • Driving a dependable diesel vehicle that I hope to own at least up to 400k mi
  • Landlord to a townhouse in Park City Utah that brings in $450 profit/month.  Home Equity: $160k.  Refinanced after my divorce from a 30 year to a 15 year note at 3.5%, only paying the minimum with 13.5 years remaining.
  • I earn a solid income, but only “above average” by Orange County standards (not sure if people share these stats openly here but I’m willing put myself out there as needed)
  • Maxing out 401k contributions w/ employer match
  • Just enrolled in a deferred compensation program set to 20% of my salary (I can explain this later if anyone is interested)
  • Maxing out HSA with employer match
  • I travel 100-150 days a year for work, during which time travel expenses and food and beverage are covered by my employer.
  • My technology is employer provided (macbook, ipad, iphone and associated bills)
  • Costco is right across the street from my office where I get fuel, and a few food staples in bulk
  • Rarely drink alcohol or coffee
  • My daily breakfast costs me less than 50 cents (oatmeal), topped off with fruit and nuts from my offices pantry
  • When I’m not traveling for work I mostly eat a can of Amy’s Soup for dinner (from Costco) at less than $2, or $3.5 if i need variety from Whole Foods.
  • 24/hr fitness membership at my employer discounted rate of $27/month, which is on the same block as my office, and this is where I shower.
  • I'm a do it your selfer who sometimes struggles to find the time



Mustachian Opportunities (Idiocracy I believe you call it?):

  • Considering my salary, I have a low amount of savings ($150k in 401, $27k in a betterment account, and $20k elsewhere)
  • I invested poorly in stocks, and managed them even more poorly
  • Living in Orange County CA and dealing with high cost of living
  • $15k loan on a base model 2015 F250 Diesel 45k miles, 16mpg.  Will be paid off at the end of 2019. (I justify my truck for camping/overlanding at least 2 weekends a month and of course towing my camper which is 8,500 lbs).  I have been contemplating the purchase of a small commuter car and letting my truck just do truck duties.
  • When I do commute to my office in Irvine (80-130 days a year), it is 27 miles
  • I am not, and have never been frugal.  As a young man I spent most of my cash on: Travel, customizing autos, food & beverage, office attire from Nordstrom Rack, and sporting gear (carbon mtb’s, snowsports gear, etc)
  • My post divorce dating life is excellent, but it costs me dearly, as 99% of the time I am covering all F&B, Travel, and Entertainment expenses for both of us.  When I was married we split everything 50/50 except F&B which I covered 90% of the time.  The past couple years I seem to attract poorly paid yoga instructors with CC debt
  • My lunch is my daily meal splurge at $11 for an organic salad or bowl
  • I often have three fitness memberships (24/hr monthly, $40/week for yoga, and $26/week for indoor bouldering).
  • My vitamins and supplements are expensive, $? (Organic whole food daily vitamin, organic vegan protein powder shake w/ hemp milk (2/day), creatine).

I want to thank you if you made it this far through my story!  I welcome your comments/questions.  Looking forward to further optimizing my spending habits.

updated wood stove project pic below
« Last Edit: December 16, 2018, 06:57:16 PM by the_new_nomad »

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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2018, 10:06:40 PM »
Welcome. Since you just found the forum, I would suggest rewinding and reading through all the blog posts. You’ll learn a lot and also understand the forum a lot better.

You’ll find in terms of salaries/income on this site, they are much, much higher than most other online forums you’ll find. My wife and I lived in a 40’ 5th wheel for over 5 years. We’re back in apartment now, but plan to get a 25’ airstream after this contracting gig is up.

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2018, 08:19:58 AM »
Update:  Less than 24 hours later and I read through May 20, 2011 blogs.  I wish the posts were numbered and organized in the web address accordingly so I could return to the next one easier.  Any tricks for this?

Mustachian goals for today:

  • unfollow any insta account that tricks me into thinking I need something. For example I follow some of my favorite brands, and some overlanding and travel inspirational accounts that plant a seed for an expensive purchase I don't need.
  • Building a piece of cabinetry
  • Not driving anywhere
  • Minimizing 2 items by putting them ebay

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2018, 09:00:36 AM »
Welcome to the forum, I love the enthusiasm!

When I evaluate my spending habits I always try to focus on optimizing my foundational spending. Housing, groceries, transportation, utilities (I need to work on this one). Then, when I allow myself to splurge on anything non-foundational to my lifestyle, I’m just extra mindful of what a luxury it is. I make a point of trying to really enjoy it as a one-off, and be aware that it’s something that I can live without. It sounds like you’ve done a lot of this, with the exception of having a car loan, and a few habits like multiple gym memberships and buying lunch every day, that have become part of your ongoing budget. For the record, I don’t have an issue with those things if you feel like it’s the best use of your money.

Here are my suggestions going forward.
-Spend some time on the investing section of the forum and get your investments straight. I think this should be priority #1 for you right now.
-Track your spending -  bonus points if you can go back and track spending for previous years. Get to know how much you really are spending and where, since you feel your savings are lower than they should be.
- Once you’ve done the above, set realistic FIRE goals. How much you want to retire on, and how quickly you’d like to get there. From there you can join some challenges on this Forum of people on a similar point in the journey who will help inspire you and keep you accountable.
- Consider how much it will cost to replace your comepany sponsored activities. The tech is easy to quantify. The entertainment value of work sponsored travel is a little more nebulous. Eating canned soup every night at home is a lot easier when you’re getting free restaurant meals during regular business travel. Going on inexpensive backpacking vacations are extra exciting when you’ve already gotten your fill of planes and hotels. I suggest that you really consider how much of your work sponsored lifestyle you may want to replicate in FIRE and put a price tag on it.
- Do your best, when dating, to replicate the simple life that you say you want long term. Try to find a partner who enjoys the same things. Fun experiences are great to do on dates, but your post made it sound like your dating habits were quite different from your lifestyle aspirations. In my experience, coupling up with someone with different financial realities and habits, especially if you’ve projected an unrealistic vision of your own lifestyle, will either cause issues in your relationship or issues in your finances moving forward.

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2018, 10:15:51 AM »
Update:  Less than 24 hours later and I read through May 20, 2011 blogs.  I wish the posts were numbered and organized in the web address accordingly so I could return to the next one easier.  Any tricks for this?

Mustachian goals for today:

  • unfollow any insta account that tricks me into thinking I need something. For example I follow some of my favorite brands, and some overlanding and travel inspirational accounts that plant a seed for an expensive purchase I don't need.
  • Building a piece of cabinetry
  • Not driving anywhere
  • Minimizing 2 items by putting them ebay

Good goals! I recently unsubscribed from a lot of emails that would tempt me to buy, need to do the same on IG.

I started a thread recently in the “throw down the gauntlet” section of this forum about tracking spending for 2019. Feel free to join in as a way to help hold yourself accountable!

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2018, 11:05:24 AM »
Welcome!

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2018, 02:36:28 PM »
...Do your best, when dating, to replicate the simple life that you say you want long term. Try to find a partner who enjoys the same things. Fun experiences are great to do on dates, but your post made it sound like your dating habits were quite different from your lifestyle aspirations. In my experience, coupling up with someone with different financial realities and habits, especially if you’ve projected an unrealistic vision of your own lifestyle, will either cause issues in your relationship or issues in your finances moving forward.

Thank you for the comments!  All good points, and I agree the investment piece needs to be priority number one for me.  As for the dating part, I do a pretty good job of choosing a partner with similar interests, which means we go adventure in the wilderness a lot.  An example of when that falls apart though, is my trip to Yosemite on Thanksgiving weekend where the weather was bad.  If I went alone I would have braved the cold and rain while still car camping in the back of my truck (it was cold enough to snow).  But when I bring a sexy lady along that I only get to spend time with every couple of weeks, I want have a cozier bed.  So I ended up booking 3 nights in lodges, however we still managed to use my jetboil in the hotel room to cook our meals. 

On another note, I am decreasing my utilities even further by installing a wood stove.  I have a propane furnace, but the motor drains my batteries faster than they can recover in the winter months from the solar panels.  That's where the wood comes in.  My grandfather tells me that wood stoves heat you up three times.  Once while chopping, another while loading/storing it, and lastly by burning it.  You may wonder why I need heat in socal, it's because I'm at 2300' elevation currently average high 40s to mid 50s at night, sometimes dipping down to freezing point.  Here's a pic of the cabinetry I"m working on along with the chimney mock up.

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2018, 03:03:30 PM »
What kind of mountain biking do you do? Bikes can be $$, not that I'm one to judge on that front, haha!

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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2018, 04:42:57 PM »
What kind of mountain biking do you do? Bikes can be $$, not that I'm one to judge on that front, haha!

Mountain biking: Mostly Cross Country, some Enduro.  Post FI I plan on bike touring as a means of low cost travel (domestic and international).

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2018, 05:38:08 AM »
What kind of mountain biking do you do? Bikes can be $$, not that I'm one to judge on that front, haha!

Mountain biking: Mostly Cross Country, some Enduro.  Post FI I plan on bike touring as a means of low cost travel (domestic and international).

Very cool,  I bet your situation gives you plenty of time for epic rides or showing up for an enduro race weekend. And of course buying used and servicing your own stuff is the way to go!

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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2018, 06:01:06 AM »
Fabulous!!

Obvious gaps may be the vehicle and the $11 lunches.  Consider trading the truck for an equivalent one with a few more miles and eliminate the loan.  Take your lunch and whittle those $11 lunches down to 2-3 per month.

Dates can be expensive or free, your choice.  Meet for coffee and just have water.

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2018, 07:26:15 AM »
Very cool!  Very different from my life as a native nyc'er now living in the burbs of jersey. 

Here's the one thing that leaps out at me: I don't see any math yet.
You've gathered some data, now it's time to crunch the numbers.  You don't have to share your income, but you should find out your savings rate, what you spend on the essentials and nonessentials.  Forcing yourself to categorize also sharpens your priorities.  For example, I categorize my brazilian jiu-jitsu as essential spending, even at the exorbitant price of $150/mo.

Good luck!

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2018, 08:02:18 AM »
We all suck at investing too. that is why we use VTSAX. 

Pretty sweet view. I can see how the dating life would be going well.

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2018, 06:22:26 PM »
Please be careful to ensure the wood stove chimney is properly sealed up.  Carbon monoxide is nothing to take lightly.

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2018, 07:41:22 PM »
Very cool!  Very different from my life as a native nyc'er now living in the burbs of jersey. 

Here's the one thing that leaps out at me: I don't see any math yet.
You've gathered some data, now it's time to crunch the numbers.  You don't have to share your income, but you should find out your savings rate, what you spend on the essentials and nonessentials.  Forcing yourself to categorize also sharpens your priorities.  For example, I categorize my brazilian jiu-jitsu as essential spending, even at the exorbitant price of $150/mo.

Good luck!

Yes I need to dive into this.  Four years ago I set up some spreadsheets that considered the cost of living for post FIRE without knowing what the 4% rule and FIRE was, I just kind of stumbled across it when I was trying to figure out how I could leave my corporate job to pursue my passions.  I remember showing it to my wife at the time who is a CPA, and she thought I must have been not considering many things since we are all brainwashed to think we need millions to retire.  I'm sure this community has much better templates, I just need to catch up on the blog posts first.

We all suck at investing too. that is why we use VTSAX. 

Pretty sweet view. I can see how the dating life would be going well.

That was a pic from Teton Valley, I'm still in the mountains but no view like that.  If people are more interested in my current living situation I can share more.  I've got the home life pretty dialed for sustainability, efficiency, and lowest cost of living possible.

Please be careful to ensure the wood stove chimney is properly sealed up.  Carbon monoxide is nothing to take lightly.

Absolutely, I do have a CO detector, smoke detector, and propane detector.  I'm using a very high quality double wall insulated pellet stove chimney pipe.  I'm actually more nervous about burning the place down.  I've heard RV's go up in seconds.  Once I fire it up I'll be shooting the temperature on all nearby surfaces with an infrared gun and plan on being super cautious about watching in closely for the first week of use.

Regarding the auto loan, with a loan at 4.75% should I be using my bonus this spring to pay off the truck or invest it?  I know I have a lot of learning to do...

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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2018, 08:31:28 PM »
Welcome.

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Regarding the auto loan, with a loan at 4.75% should I be using my bonus this spring to pay off the truck or invest it?  I know I have a lot of learning to do...

I'd recommend paying it off.   It's equivalent to a 4.75% after-tax, guaranteed return. There's no way to get that in the market today.  If you'd prefer to take on the extra risk investing in equities is not a bad decision, but it's a matter personal preference and level of risk. For me there's also a mental component -- I find it liberating to eliminate debt and monthly payments.

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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2018, 09:05:55 AM »
Welcome! I'm a 34 year old nomad myself!

I think your situation is interesting enough that I would consider going even further. If you travel 150 days a year for work, do you really have to be in an office the rest of the time? Can you push for even more days traveling? Or push for remote the rest of the time? $700 per month is a lot to live off the grid... you could save quite a bit if you  could just find a plot of land outside, say, St George, UT and get work to let you be remote.

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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2018, 09:35:35 AM »
Welcome! I'm a 34 year old nomad myself!

I think your situation is interesting enough that I would consider going even further. If you travel 150 days a year for work, do you really have to be in an office the rest of the time? Can you push for even more days traveling? Or push for remote the rest of the time? $700 per month is a lot to live off the grid... you could save quite a bit if you  could just find a plot of land outside, say, St George, UT and get work to let you be remote.

Right on! What are you living in?  You're absolutely right, on one hand $700 is 25% of the going rate for a studio or 1 bedroom in OC.  On the other hand it's $700 a month for a piece of dirt with clean mountain air, a water supply, close enough wifi that I can hijack, and a convenient laundry situation (In my landlord's barn).  I may be able to work remotely by 2020, but I need to be close to an airport (preferably international), I have an agent current looking for property outside of Boise for me.  In years 2020-2023 I will likely be travelling full time for work.  Which I also hope will be my last four years before FI, and convenient as I will have very little living expenses as everything would be employer sponsored during those heavy travel years.

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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2018, 10:48:54 AM »
Look forward to following along!

What do you do for a living? Have you figured out what you spent for 2018? Can you slash it a bit in 2019 while increasing income?

Solid plan and it doesn't look like you're "giving up the present" to save for the future!


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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2018, 05:39:02 PM »
...Do your best, when dating, to replicate the simple life that you say you want long term. Try to find a partner who enjoys the same things. Fun experiences are great to do on dates, but your post made it sound like your dating habits were quite different from your lifestyle aspirations. In my experience, coupling up with someone with different financial realities and habits, especially if you’ve projected an unrealistic vision of your own lifestyle, will either cause issues in your relationship or issues in your finances moving forward.

Thank you for the comments!  All good points, and I agree the investment piece needs to be priority number one for me.  As for the dating part, I do a pretty good job of choosing a partner with similar interests, which means we go adventure in the wilderness a lot.  An example of when that falls apart though, is my trip to Yosemite on Thanksgiving weekend where the weather was bad.  If I went alone I would have braved the cold and rain while still car camping in the back of my truck (it was cold enough to snow).  But when I bring a sexy lady along that I only get to spend time with every couple of weeks, I want have a cozier bed.  So I ended up booking 3 nights in lodges, however we still managed to use my jetboil in the hotel room to cook our meals. 

On another note, I am decreasing my utilities even further by installing a wood stove.  I have a propane furnace, but the motor drains my batteries faster than they can recover in the winter months from the solar panels.  That's where the wood comes in.  My grandfather tells me that wood stoves heat you up three times.  Once while chopping, another while loading/storing it, and lastly by burning it.  You may wonder why I need heat in socal, it's because I'm at 2300' elevation currently average high 40s to mid 50s at night, sometimes dipping down to freezing point.  Here's a pic of the cabinetry I"m working on along with the chimney mock up.



Overall it sounds like you have quite a great life and really know your values. I respect that. I semi-fired last year and am very much enjoying life. One of my next major goals (in the next 2 years) is to sell my house and build a house using sustainable building techniques (my favorite being straw bale).

Regarding dating, I spend quite a lot on experiences with my boyfriend. He has considerably more money than I do. And while he’s good with his money he doesn’t value frugality for frugality’s sake. So we have had to find a  balance. It’s inportant to me not to let him pay for everything, and it’s also important to me that I don’t put my financial freedom in jeopardy trying to keep up with his generosity. I feel like we’ve found a good balanced way for both of us to be true to our values and have a hell of a lot of fun doing it.

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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2018, 02:14:28 PM »
No debt on a 250cc motorcycle that gets 75+mpg (Janus Phoenix).

Sweet bike, I'm thinking about getting a Janus.

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My post divorce dating life is excellent, but it costs me dearly, as 99% of the time I am covering all F&B, Travel, and Entertainment expenses for both of us.  When I was married we split everything 50/50 except F&B which I covered 90% of the time.  The past couple years I seem to attract poorly paid yoga instructors with CC debt

Women climbers might be a bit more frugal than yogis...?

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I often have three fitness memberships (24/hr monthly, $40/week for yoga, and $26/week for indoor bouldering).

This seems redundant and expensive. I'm a climber, but $26/week is really high. Monthly memberships in Denver can be found for a lot less than $104/month. Is LA that expensive?

I dig the trailer setup. We are similar age, with almost identical home equity and savings amounts. I'm hoping to quit the day job in 2030. If you're looking for motivation, read MMM's year-end posts on how much he spends annually. A lot of forum members live on < $40k spending per year, even with families. It's pretty inspiring.

Welcome to the forum!

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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2018, 03:12:50 PM »
Welcome! LOVE the Airstream and the View! Million dollar view for 700$ I think its worth it!

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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2018, 04:00:48 PM »
Food is my thing, so I'd start by packing a lunch 4/5 work days and treating yourself one day.

I make an organic salad for lunch every day.  It's not $11!

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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2018, 09:12:09 PM »
What do you do for a living? Have you figured out what you spent for 2018? Can you slash it a bit in 2019 while increasing income?

Solid plan and it doesn't look like you're "giving up the present" to save for the future!

I work on the development team for an ultra-luxury hotel operator, with most of my focus on the facility maintenance operations.  Answer to the other questions...yes and yes, I'm hoping I catch up to a blog post with some templates soon, please point me in the right direction if you know where to find them.

Regarding dating, I spend quite a lot on experiences with my boyfriend. He has considerably more money than I do. And while he’s good with his money he doesn’t value frugality for frugality’s sake. So we have had to find a  balance. It’s inportant to me not to let him pay for everything, and it’s also important to me that I don’t put my financial freedom in jeopardy trying to keep up with his generosity. I feel like we’ve found a good balanced way for both of us to be true to our values and have a hell of a lot of fun doing it.

Thanks for sharing, I like the sound of that.

Sweet bike, I'm thinking about getting a Janus.

I get so many compliments on the thing.  I think I had the first one in CA, but I have it registered in UT.  Are vanity plates anti-mustachian?  Mine says WEEE, as in WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

This seems redundant and expensive. I'm a climber, but $26/week is really high. Monthly memberships in Denver can be found for a lot less than $104/month. Is LA that expensive?

I dig the trailer setup. We are similar age, with almost identical home equity and savings amounts. I'm hoping to quit the day job in 2030. If you're looking for motivation, read MMM's year-end posts on how much he spends annually. A lot of forum members live on < $40k spending per year, even with families. It's pretty inspiring.

So I purchase punch passes for yoga and climbing, that way I don't pay for a membership I can't use while I'm on the road.  That said, yes they are that expensive in CA.  I lived in LA this summer and joined a gym for three months, the summer "special" was like $275.  And the place was packed.  I had Jeff Bezos bouldering next to me one day, with seemingly no security around.  Best celebrity sighting ever. 

I feel like my situation would allow me to spend <40k a year, but I have holes in my wallet.  That's why I'm here.  To figure that part out.

Food is my thing, so I'd start by packing a lunch 4/5 work days and treating yourself one day.  I make an organic salad for lunch every day.  It's not $11!

I'll do an experiment to see how much money this could save me vs time.  Everything is expensive in CA, never-mind Orange Orange County, so although $11 may sound like a lot, the groceries aren't much less.  One other complication, I don't turn my refrigerator on often, only for special occasions where I'm home for an extended period of time, such as 3+ days without leaving for work.  I'm so sensitive to wasting energy at home that I can't bare to have a refer cooling while I'm away for 14 hours a day just to keep a few items cool.  The refer runs on propane and 12v.


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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2018, 09:32:47 PM »
How much is the organic vegan protein powder shake and hemp milk? I may have missed it, but are you vegan? If not, you’ll never notice a difference switching to a standard optimum nutrition whey, or if you really want to be healthy, some naked whey that has no artificial sweeteners or preservatives.

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« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2018, 08:27:58 AM »
How much is the organic vegan protein powder shake and hemp milk? I may have missed it, but are you vegan? If not, you’ll never notice a difference switching to a standard optimum nutrition whey, or if you really want to be healthy, some naked whey that has no artificial sweeteners or preservatives.

No idea what he's using, but I'm lactose intolerant (no whey shakes for me!) and Vega protein and greens is $20 for a 21 serving tub on amazon. 2x/day he'd be at $60/month plus the hemp milk.

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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2018, 09:22:14 AM »
How much is the organic vegan protein powder shake and hemp milk? I may have missed it, but are you vegan? If not, you’ll never notice a difference switching to a standard optimum nutrition whey, or if you really want to be healthy, some naked whey that has no artificial sweeteners or preservatives.

I am vegan, with the occasional seafood when I'm in a destination that doesn't have any nutritionally balanced vegan items.  Going on a couple years now and it has delivered amazing results for me.  I bet a vegan diet is way cheaper than one of an omnivore as well.

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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2018, 11:42:11 AM »
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I'll do an experiment to see how much money this could save me vs time.  Everything is expensive in CA, never-mind Orange Orange County, so although $11 may sound like a lot, the groceries aren't much less.  One other complication, I don't turn my refrigerator on often, only for special occasions where I'm home for an extended period of time, such as 3+ days without leaving for work.  I'm so sensitive to wasting energy at home that I can't bare to have a refer cooling while I'm away for 14 hours a day just to keep a few items cool.  The refer runs on propane and 12v.

The refrigeration thing makes it different, especially if you don't have a fridge at work.  I also live in CA (Santa Barbara), so I know me some expensive food.  Having a full kitchen and prepping my own veggies keeps my salad cost down.  Though not pennies - it's still probably $3-5. 

Is there refrigeration at the office?  I ask because when it comes to being frugal and all, I've got some good stories of coworkers.

- Coworker A lived up near the Bay Area but worked here.  She would drive down every Monday morning and drive home every Friday night.  She had a rented room during the week in an AirBNB, but no kitchen privileges.  So, she used the work kitchen.  She had her own mini-fridge near her desk, and would keep lunch makings in there (quesadillas, salads, fruits, vegetables), and would just prep in our kitchen.  She made breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

- Coworker B is, ahem, living in a "toy hauler" in the parking lot.  He was living in a 5th wheel but the rent on his space got to be too high.  So he bought a house a few hours away for his wife to live in, goes there on the weekend.  So, he uses our fridge to store his food (though is more into frozen corn dogs and such).

- Coworker C was living in a rental with not enough fridge space, so she'd fill our communal work fridge with piles of greens (chard, kale, whatever) and other food and prep at work. 

When we had a full  on 4 shifts running, there was always someone cooking in our kitchen.  We had a full sized fridge, a toaster oven, and a microwave...but about 70 people.  The night shift folks bought an electric skillet and a crock pot and would cook on their breaks and have these huge meals.  The kitchen is tiny, almost no counter space, and only a small square 4-seater table.  They made it work though!  And probably ate in the conf room at night.  During this time I bought a $50 used mini-fridge because there was no room for my lunch in the fridge at 8 am on a Monday.

There are things we can learn from keeping food cold while camping, too.  Like using ice packs.  But if you are as dedicated to eating lots of healthy greens as I am, and you are limited due to your schedule (in and out a lot), some of them will work, and some probably won't.  And shopping for days at a time will only work sometimes.

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2018, 06:41:56 AM »
I am vegan, with the occasional seafood when I'm in a destination that doesn't have any nutritionally balanced vegan items.  Going on a couple years now and it has delivered amazing results for me.  I bet a vegan diet is way cheaper than one of an omnivore as well.

I was fully plant based for 4 years until I developed serious meat cravings and went back to omnivore.

On cost it depends. Rice 'n beans, potatoes, oatmeal, nut butters are all cheap of course. Organic produce is hit or miss, gotta shop carefully.

On the omnivore side of things all of the above but eggs are cheap and so are certain cuts of meat (ground beef, chicken thighs) but of course other meats can get very expensive.

I would think if you're not refrigerating or freezing vegan staples are way easier to deal with.

 

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