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All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« on: August 31, 2015, 12:08:57 PM »
All about the west, consumerism, economics, global finance, history and such. Stumbled on this the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 04:38:24 PM »
Interesting documentary; pretty disheartening in general, though : \

Video Summary (around 1:31:45 ish): "Central banking, rigged capitalism, land speculation, income tax, and neoclassical economics have corporatized democracy, stunted progress, perverted the course of human destiny, and compromised the future of this planet. If these issues are not addressed, then the next implosion will be on a scale unimagined. Whatever the propaganda, at the beginning of the 21st century, central banks' unregulated cheap [FIAT] money pumped up land values, which created an unsustainable asset bubble in a world that once again operates a rigged tax system that enriches entrenched privilege. Neo-classical economics have ruined life for the bottom billions*, tempted everyone into intergenerational conflict, and created massive suffering that has not limits."

*They make an argument that terrorism/ rioting will not end so long as the people comprising these groups feel that everything has been taken from them (ultimately by large corps). By the time money gets down to their level, and ours, its buying power is significantly diminished, etc.

The documentary gives high-level suggestions for improvement, which include: "Getting organized and preventing the culprits camouflaging the real problem means it is possible to embark on a bloodless revolution against the violent organizations and barbaric leaders who've trashed the economy." 

Yes, kind of dramatic. But also motivating.

I'm still not quite sure what we can do in general, though, and find that frustrating. I think a lot of the habits supported here by MMM and in the forums lend themselves to this (like strengthening communities, working together, sharing resources, appreciating what you have), but what about the financial side? Am I supporting the large corporation agendas by using my credit card? Or is paying off the balancing in full each month a win? What about when I want to buy a house - is taking on a mortgage enabling all of this?

Should we be trying to buy more local, Fair-Trade, or Ecocert?

Is our best bet to start with the local government? If so, what do we demand? How can we convince politicians who are already bought by large corporations?

How can we do more to move toward and support a healthy economic system? Any good thoughts out there on what we can do today? Very interested to find out how others might have grappled with this.

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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 06:29:31 PM »
I think voting in local elections is the number one thing citizens can do. It really does affect your life. Other than that you can choose what else you want to do, volunteer time or money, or become an expert in a field and move it forward for the betterment of humanity (think elon musk). We decide the future.

I also think that people shouldn't feel bad if all they can do is get through the day. I find documentaries like this to be more fear mongering than anything. "If we don't change now blah blah blah." things will change or they won't. You are not going to undo an entrenched system because you feel like it. Also remember how the current period is the best one so far in human history (since agriculture was invented, before that we were straight chillin') in terms of quality of life for billions of people/ and least amount of war. Also remember that no matter what, this planet will survive us.

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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2015, 12:13:00 PM »
I think one of the quotes in the documentary answer your question, sser: "The first step to change is awareness".

If the majority of people understood the facts brought up in this documentary, and possibly also in the 2015 movie "Bitcoin: The End Of Money As We Know It" (which actually has little to do with Bitcoin and more to do with the history of money and the current (arguably 'socialist') monetary system in the US), then revolution and reform would come naturally. Leaders will lead, civil will would occur and change will happen.

It has happened in the past.

(That being said I had to actually watch this twice to fully comprehend and absorb all the information that was thrown at me, and form the logical links clearly in my mind. )
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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2015, 06:59:37 PM »
All about the west, consumerism, economics, global finance, history and such. Stumbled on this the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

You're welcome.

That documentary is WAY biased and slanted.  It should definitely not be taken at face value... IMHO.
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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2015, 12:58:39 PM »
I know that the documentary leans towards a particular view, as many do. While meant to be thought-provoking, you always take them with a grain of salt.

And I have seen documentaries like this in the past, but am always left wondering what I can do to move things towards social responsibility.

Awareness is definitely important, though it is also hard to sift through all of the information for truths and then determine a course of action. I love that a lot of what these forums do is bring awareness and ideas to help with this.

Though, as many have mentioned before in other threads, getting others to embrace fiscal awareness and frugality can be challenging. How many people need to come to a certain level of awareness before changes are started?

So, I guess it's a struggle to continue to find awareness for yourself, find ways to act on that awareness, and encourage others to consider their situation as well so that shifts in the general social thought can actually be created.

Questions:
  • Where to find good, truthful sources for keeping on top of things / staying aware?
  • Actions to take in your every-day lives?
  • How to encourage others without pushing too hard?

One thing that I think I should start trying to do more of is being involve in local events, and can hopefully find some good sources for that. I will also continue to try and support other causes, like buying free-trade when I consume, and donating/ volunteering.

There are some other similar/ ethical threads currently active that kind of address some of these questions, but there they still are.


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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2015, 08:04:41 AM »
All about the west, consumerism, economics, global finance, history and such. Stumbled on this the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

You're welcome.

That documentary is WAY biased and slanted.  It should definitely not be taken at face value... IMHO.

Care to substantiate that or nah?

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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2015, 11:05:33 AM »
My ongoing question/pondering:

Why should I care about the 1%, if the 99% are ok?

Granted the 99% are not ok now, but generally things are - AFAIK - improving.

In the west, we mostly have universal healthcare, can expect to live to our 80s, and have good government programs that will pay us some kind of living *even if we waste all our money as we go along*.

I am warm, clothed, fed, able to get exercise, browse the internet, use the library, and so on. I'm actually, in my mid thirties, able to do this - even if I stop working entirely, and probably we as a small family would be fine if my wife stopped working too - and she finished education late, hasn't saved up much of her own in the years before we met.

There is no good reason (as this site pretty much shows) for a person to have to work past 40. In the less developed world, sure, things are different, but again - as I said - they are improving.

Democracy sure. The 1% are most afraid of riots. The Roman circus was to keep the crowds happy, and arguably sport does the same thing now.

It would be "nice" for everyone to be able to have a yacht (would it? Probably not, no), but really, it's no great tradgedy that some people - for whatever reason - can afford that stuff - and others cannot. And I have never seen anything suggesting the rich have a significantly "better experience at life". They still have most of the same issues and problems everyone else does (albeit from first class, the top floor, etc).

I'm not at all saying I actively want most of the planet's material wealth to be in the hands of a very small subset of humanity. I'm just not sure it's a major problem, IF the rest of humanity is doing ok as well.

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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2015, 06:48:20 PM »
All about the west, consumerism, economics, global finance, history and such. Stumbled on this the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

You're welcome.

That documentary is WAY biased and slanted.  It should definitely not be taken at face value... IMHO.

Care to substantiate that or nah?

Just read the darn thing.  If you think the presentation is  congruent with reality, let's hear why you think so.

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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2015, 02:02:49 AM »
All about the west, consumerism, economics, global finance, history and such. Stumbled on this the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

You're welcome.

That documentary is WAY biased and slanted.  It should definitely not be taken at face value... IMHO.

Care to substantiate that or nah?

Just read the darn thing.  If you think the presentation is  congruent with reality, let's hear why you think so.
I don't. Thanks for the enlightenment though bud.

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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2015, 07:03:21 AM »
Just read the darn thing.  If you think the presentation is  congruent with reality, let's hear why you think so.
I don't. Thanks for the enlightenment though bud.

If even the OP thinks the presentation doesn't represent reality, then....

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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2015, 03:02:59 PM »
Just read the darn thing.  If you think the presentation is  congruent with reality, let's hear why you think so.
I don't. Thanks for the enlightenment though bud.

If even the OP thinks the presentation doesn't represent reality, then....

"All Mustachians must see this.  It's an hour and a half worth of stuff I don't think is true.

You're welcome."




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Re: All mustachians should watch this movie/documentary
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2015, 11:22:51 AM »
Just read the darn thing.  If you think the presentation is  congruent with reality, let's hear why you think so.
I don't. Thanks for the enlightenment though bud.

If even the OP thinks the presentation doesn't represent reality, then....

"All Mustachians must see this.  It's an hour and a half worth of stuff I don't think is true.

You're welcome."


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