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New Mustachian Saying Hello
« on: March 13, 2017, 10:20:00 AM »
Good morning, and what a great forum!  I've been reading for a few days and never imagined there was such a large community of people just like myself.  I was google searching for life insurance information when I landed here, and quickly became addicted and have even read part of a book: "The Millionaire Next Door" by Thomas J. Stanley and William D. Danko that was recommended in the FAQ section.  About me: I am a strong saver and was already using company match on 401K and have an almost maxed out annual Roth IRA, but since have maxed out all resources to save even more on top of my company's pension plan.  Thanks for the motivation!  I'm even getting several other ideas on how to cleverly be more frugal.  I've always fended off and dismissed claims of being a cheapskate by others for years--I was always on this path from the get-go.  I doubt I will ever be able to retire early, but financial independence is my goal. 

I have a setback to FI:  My wife.  I am debt free with the exception of my mortgage and a small balance on a credit card I use to keep revolving credit (This credit card has never even been close to exceeding the balance of my checking account).  However, my wife is carrying student loan debt in the amount of about $180,000 (PhD student) that she hasn't started paying off yet and depletes her checking account monthly.  We're in our early-mid 30's.  My wife has a high balance in her 401K, as her company match is 9.5% that she takes full advantage of for an annual savings of 19% of her salary (About 12,000/year + appreciation growth).  She also clips coupons and shops for sale items (I swear Target is going to ban her one day for legitimately ripping them off over the years).  We shop at Aldi weekly for groceries and have 2 kids, another coming soon. 

Aside from a high 401K and thrifty shopping, I cannot get her to drink less than 2 fountain soda's/day (about $3/day) and to STOP eating out.  She'll do good for a while about not eating out and then revert back to her old ways... she says it's just more convenient.  She stops at McDonalds or the gas station for a sandwich and soda combo daily and usually somewhere for lunch as well.  If I don't cook or on nights I'm not home she'll eat out for dinner. It's hard to watch, but I always tell myself that there's worse things that could happen:  She's never been addicted to anything and rarely drinks.  We have separate checking accounts, and even though we're on each other's accounts we bank 100% independently of each other--credit cards and loans as well.  I've almost convinced myself that this is the lifestyle she will live forever.  Is it/should it be a major concern for someone seeking FI if she's saving 19% for retirement, keeping up with her share of the bills and living paycheck to paycheck?  I should point out we do pool savings in a joint account and it is a solid/growing balance.  We have a fantastic friendship and marriage.  My better judgement is telling me to keep living my frugal lifestyle and my hard work and our happiness will trump her convenient lifestyle in the end.  Thanks if you're still reading this stale post--I wanted to say hi and ask for advice while I was at it!


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Re: New Mustachian Saying Hello
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2017, 11:23:14 AM »
Welcome, this is a great place with a bunch of great forum members.

Wow, that is a  huge student loan, what is the plan to get rid of it?


Don't sweat the small stuff. The soda is more bad for her health than for her wallet. If you cook for the week, then the temptation to eat out in the evening is reduced.

Best of luck on your FIRE journey

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Re: New Mustachian Saying Hello
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2017, 11:40:10 AM »
Welcome Boz!

I think you really need to get serious with that Student Loan debt.  Develop a plan with her to get it paid off.  However, make sure she keeps contributing to get that huge company match!  That's astonishing.  I don't think I've ever seen one that high.

It sounds like you need to batch-cook some meals and/or pack a lunch for her to show how serious you are.  Once you build the habit, she's likely to start participating in the cooking/preparation.  That's worked with my wife at least.

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Re: New Mustachian Saying Hello
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2017, 05:45:06 PM »
Hi Boz!  So, I feel your pain, having married a spendypants who eats in restaurants with friends every weekday, and who insists on buying Diet Pepsi from the machine at work even when I stocked the fridge with grocery store bottles he could take in. 

So, first, read the awesome "how to convert your SO" thread. 

Second, it sounds like you guys keep most of your money separate, except for a joint savings?  I think separate accounts means that as long as she is covering her share, you don't get any say in what she does with the rest.  But even if you were completely joint, there's only so much you can do.  One thing DH and I did was set up a single joint account for everything, and then each of us got separate allowances out of that (I called it -- privately -- his "stupid money," because he could go buy stupid unnecessary shit with it, and I had to shut up as long as he stayed within his allowance.  Kept me from becoming a total harpy).  You guys might be able to work out some compromise along those lines -- something that lets her feel the freedom of those stupid purchases she likes to make, without messing with the overall plan.  But if you keep your finances separate and she is paying those loans out of her money, there's not much you can say or do about it.  Except for the slow art of gentle persuasion.  Which brings me to . . .

. . . two big-picture things you can do to help bring her around over time:

1.  Start talking about dreams, plans, goals, etc.  "Retirement" is very vague and far-off to some people.  You guys need to figure out what you are working towards -- not things you are running away from, not vague "wouldn't it be great," but dreams you can't achieve while in debt and working for a living.  She has to want the goal more than she wants McDonald's.  (Note: I find the liberal application of wine, a back porch, and a lovely summer's evening helps these conversations immensely).  This, of course, is a slow, multi-year process, because she is not going to believe it is possible.  So in the meantime . . .

2.  . . . You lead by example and entice her away.  Of course McDonald's is tempting (I personally go apeshit over a Big Mac), but is it more tempting than a delicious gourmet meal prepared by her loving husband?  Come up with things to do on the weekend that don't cost money; take the lead in grocery shopping and menu planning; figure out how to insource as much of what she wants to outsource as you can, and show her what a great life you guys have and how much money you are saving!

Note:  I realize you can't do it all -- honestly, this is where my own efforts bogged down, because we have two jobs and kids, so I menu plan and cook, but I am damned if I am going to spend my limited free time scrubbing toilets.  But part of this exercise is figuring out how important FIRE is to you, and how much you are/are not willing to do for it.  I bet, over time, if you are patient and focus on what you can do vs. improving her, she will see your efforts and work to meet you halfway.  And you will probably have to compromise, too, and meet her partway as well.

This may or may not work, and it's a long road.  But it's not like there's any better or faster way to convince her anyway.  So just give it your best shot and keep loving your family and socking away the money yourself.  Good luck!