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Rein1987

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Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« on: September 11, 2014, 04:30:36 PM »
Inspired by another thread that our mustachians have great ways to save money on travel to Japan, I'm here to open a new post asking for help instead of hijacking that thread....

So, my husband and I are planning our overdue honeymoon next month in Japan. We will stay in Japan for 2 weeks, and we'd like to visit Tokyo, Kyoto and Honkaido. Because this is our honeymoon, we'd like to live comfortably. Also, I love Japanese food, so maybe I am generous spending money on good food (but maybe not expensive food).

I have never been to Japan, so I do not have good ideas on how I can plan the trip without wasting too much money. My husband had a few business trip to Japan before, but he is not familiar with the planning personal trip (business trip in my mind is usually expensive). We already have air tickets purchased, but other travel plan is still pending. We have more than enough money to cover all expense, but I believe it's always good to save. Both my husband and I learnt some Japanese in college, so I think we have more choices there.

I'd love to hear any suggestions, general travel planning suggestions or specific Japan trip tips. Thanks.

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2014, 05:01:18 PM »
First of all, please visit Japan-guide.com. This is your one-stop shop for planning your sightseeing/places to visit in Japan, as well as a lot of good travel tips. If you try their itineraries, they will even give you advice on which cities to go and how long to stay (you should visit Nara if you have time, for example). This will help you avoid doing guided tours (I planned my entire trip myself).

Then, for each city, you can pick among the best destinations that sound interesting to you, and plan out each day. Most of the top-rated destinations are good, so take your pick. Just remember that you may get tired of visiting just temples in Kyoto, for example (though there are some amazing ones!), so plan some variety.

In Kyoto, if you plan to visit the Imperial palace and other such buildings/gardens (highly recommended - particularly Shugakuin Imperial Villa), you will need to make reservations in the imperial household agency. Be sure to plan ahead to be there the day before, and remember you can only visit 2 sites per day.

Use tripadvisor for hotels. For Kyoto, I would high recommend Ohanabo as the best value in Kyoto. A traditional Ryokan with some of the best service available, an English-speaking owner who recommended me amazing local restaurants, breakfast served in the style of local cuisine, etc, for $100. The only problem will be getting a room! :-)

Food - it really depends how much you want to spend. Cheap Japanese food is amazing, they take a plate of Japanese curry rice (600 yen) very seriously, but you can also try a few nice restaurants - I think it's best to mix it up between cheap and more expensive. I would definitely ask your hotel owner for the best local restaurants (what I did at Ohanabo) - unfortunately there is not a Yelp for Japan (some similar sites, but not as good).

What to bring: you will do a LOT of walking, so bring excellent walking shoes. Clothing - it of course will depend when you travel. Bring some gifts for your hotel managers/housekeepers (particularly if you stay in  a ryokan) - gift-giving is the Japanese way and they will be giving you gifts! They appreciate anything local or what is not available in Japan - Trader Joe's bags and local chocolate are extremely popular from here in California, for example.

EDIT: One other thing is getting around! I used mass transportation everywhere, but it can be really confusing on some of the smaller stations for a foreigner - everything is in Japanese! I have an international data plan on my smartphone for work, and just used Google maps/GPS on mass transit directions - works amazingly in Japan. They tell you which train to take and which bus to transfer to for the shortest travel time or cheapest cost - almost no thinking required. You may want to switch to an international plan temporarily - I would have gotten hopelessly lost without my GPS, not to say it couldn't have been done. Taxis are extremely expensive - avoid them at all costs.

Please enjoy your trip! I was in Japan for the first time this February - coincidentally right during one of the worst snowstorms in some time - and I loved the entire trip. It's an amazing country with awesome people. Let us know if you have some more specific questions!
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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2014, 07:45:54 PM »
A Japan Rail pass, which is only available to foreign travellers, has always been excellent value.
It used to be that you had to apply from outside Japan in order to be eligible......worth doing your sums.

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2014, 08:14:12 PM »
Make sure you go to Yoyogi Park on Sunday.  It's hands down the best show in Tokyo and it's free!

The Tsukiji fish market/tuna auction is free too if you are jetlagged and up at 4am.

Eating sushi is cheaper in Japan than in the states.  By sticking to Japanese food, (and tea instead of coffee) you should spend less than at home.

I think you'll just miss out on the Sumo tournament if you're going in October.  (Another cheap way to kill a day in Tokyo.)

In Kyoto, the Golden Pavilion (Kinkakuji) in autumn is must see.

Have a great time!


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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2014, 08:28:17 PM »
Make sure you go to Yoyogi Park on Sunday.  It's hands down the best show in Tokyo and it's free!

Actually, Yoyogi park is mostly closed at the moment due to the outbreak of Dengue fever. Maybe they'll have it sorted by next month, but be prepared.

http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2014091100523

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2014, 09:24:13 PM »
The Tsukiji fish market/tuna auction is free too if you are jetlagged and up at 4am.

Just don't go on a Sunday (and some other days). The taxi driver who I had handed $40 (taxis are so expensive, but the trains/buses don't run at 3:30AM) kindly told me after he had dropped me in front of the market at 3:30AM that it was closed Sundays. :P  And apparently even 3:30AM may be too late these days. I didn't get to see it, and decided to walk the 5 miles home to my hotel. Walking the streets of Tokyo at 4:30AM was interesting though...

Eating sushi is cheaper in Japan than in the states.

Maybe it's because I live in California, but Japanese fish is much more expensive than fish here in the states. Sushi is a rare treat for most Japanese - they don't actually eat it much.

I ordered a side of Sashimi, and it was 2x the price of a Japanese restaurant in the US.

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2014, 09:31:05 PM »
I'm a huge fan of the "Hakone round course" as a day trip from Tokyo.  It's fun in and of itself, but it's best if you get weather that allows a good view of Mt. Fuji from the aerial tram.

If you can, I'd recommend renting a bike in Kyoto.  A lot of the temples are a decent distance apart and not near (regular) transit. A bike can get you between them quite quickly.

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2014, 09:49:06 PM »
When I went I stayed at this hostel (http://www.khaosan-tokyo.com/en/original/faq/index.html) and there was a really close bike rental place.  It was 200 yen a day or 500 a week.  Crazy!  The bike rental place didn't have a website so I listed the hostel so you can check their map.

Biking is super easy in Japan.  You do it on the sidewalks rather than the street.  All the pedestrians and cyclists are really aware of each other and polite.  The bikes are all cruisers with low seats so you can easily put your feet down.

I went to the National Theater in Tokyo and thought it was well worth it. I went to a performance of kabuki for kids so someone was explaining what it all meant which was quite helpful :)  The performance calendar will indicate whether english translation headphones are available.

Agreed about the gift culture.  You can even bring little pins or something else small from your home area that you can bring a bunch of and give them to random strangers who you talk to on the bus or who give you directions, etc.

Shrines are usually free to go to, would suggest putting some change in so you're not being a total tourist, plus you can buy fortunes which are a fun souvenir.

Wikitravel is another good website for info, tends to be geared cheaper IMO.

Might not be up your alley, but depending on the weather you might still be able to climb Mt. Fuji.  It's more like hiking, not really climbing.  Start at the 5th station and give yourself a day and a half.  Book a hut in advance.

Another great Japanese experience is the onsen, or bath house.  Just make sure to read up on the procedure. Even if you do that, it's can still be a high-pressure situation as everyone stares at you, the dirty foreigner, waiting for you to do something wrong :)


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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2014, 09:50:43 PM »
I love Japan!!!! I just posted advice in another thread about southern Utah, my favorite place in the USA. Japan is my favorite place in the world. I've traveled all over from remote towns on Hokkaido to remote towns on Kyushu, hiked the Kumano Kodo and Nakasendo. My first trip I landed at Narita on March 11, 2011 at 2:20 pm JST and then got stranded overnight at Narita. I spent that first 24 hours stunned by the calm, stoic, patient and respectful character of the Japanese people. (If you're not sure what happened on that date Google it. ;))

Did you mean Hokkaido, not Honkaido? Hokkaido has a totally different feel from the lower three main islands - fewer temples and shrines, different architecture, very rural, so much less crowded. I do hope you visit Hokkaido - in the fall the hiking and fall foliage will be awesome.

Japan is also a very Mustachian place to visit if you follow a few pieces of advice.

The exchange rate is decent right now. 93 yen to a dollar... it was only 75 yen to a dollar in 2011, but closer to 100 to 1 when I was there earlier this year. I averaged about $100/day there including the hotel.

Good to note: Japan is a very cash-based society so they just about expect you to pay cash everywhere. (And I love the little trays they use to pass the cash back and forth everywhere.) They don't even blink if you pay cash for a hotel room, which I did if I didn't have to pre-pay online when I booked. Another way to easily stick to a budget.

Another good to note: no tipping anywhere!

Money savers:

1) Like nz said - RAIL PASS!!! Best deal in the world. A 7-day pass will pay for itself just in the round trip on the Shinkansen from Tokyo-Kyoto which ran about $240 when I was there. Get 14 day passes and over the course of 2 weeks use it to go farther than just Tokyo and Kyoto (maybe you are using it to get to Hokkaido?) The Shinkansen are an astonishingly efficient way to travel and they are astonishingly expensive... except for foreigners holding a rail pass. It's also great to just walk on and off trains and just wave the passes. Seat reservations are quick to get too if you want them (recommended for the Shinkansen, especially the popular routes so you don't have to stand in the unreserved cars.)

2) As someone else said, avoid taxis (but maybe make sure you use one once, just for the white glove, uniformed driver and the lace doilies. Maybe splurge once in Kyoto where the key landmarks are really far apart.)

3) Business hotels - Japan has wonderfully inexpensive business hotels. http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2025_business_hotels.html The rooms are small but comfortable and you should be fine if you splurge on a double room or larger. Just do not bring a large suitcase - the room could be too small. All the hotels have coin laundry so plan to use that halfway through the trip. Beware that many hotels sell out well in advance in places like Tokyo and Kyoto and you are going on short notice. Also agree with Beric to get a couple nights of the Ryokan experience but beware they range greatly in price and some are very luxurious with prices to match.

4) Second the cheap noodle bars - get hotels that include breakfast (look for Western breakfast if that matters to you), cheap noodles (500-600 yen) for lunch and do a nicer dinner. You should still be able to stay under 1500 yen/person for dinner.

5) Convenience stores. MMM often says, "food comes from your backpack" and you can fill your backpack with tasty beverages, pastries and snacks from any one of the cheap and ubiquitous convenience stories.

Some notes from me....
- In Kyoto, be selective in what you want to see because everything is a great distance apart and after awhile you can get burned out on temples, gardens and shrines and just the touristy-ness of it all. The Southern Higashiyama walk is a great 1/2 day stroll. It's a bit touristy like all the sights in Kyoto but a break from temples. Just remember MMM's story about the manly drinking flask with horns when he was in Ecuador. ;-)

- I second the vote for Nara, an easy daytrip from Kyoto. Make sure you walk the Naramachi neighborhood. Much less crowded and less touristy than Kyoto.

- Try to get to Hiroshima. It's a long daytrip from Kyoto but the remants of the A-bomb and the museum are something everyone should see in their lifetime. Something changed in me after I went there.

- It is easy to get burned out of temples and shrines. So make sure you go for a balance.

- One of the things be aware of is how profoundly mountainous Japan is, and how much this influences population density. Nearly everyone lives on the coasts and they are packed in tight in the Tokyo-Osaka corridor. Fortunately the quiet, polite, harmonious nature of the Japanese makes it bearable but reagardless, many areas of Tokyo make Times Square mid-day feel only moderately packed. For me, I found the crush of people in Tokyo overwhelming after 3-4 days.

- It will take you a month to see everything in the guidebooks in Tokyo so make sure you read up beforehand and decide what's a priority to you. Ginza and high end shopping window shopping or Asakusa and the museums and temples or getting crushed in Shibuya and people-watching Shinjuku and strolling Yoyogi? It's overwhelming so it helps to have some sort of plan before you go. It might also dictate where you want to try to stay in Tokyo.

- Not sure if this is a good time to go to Fuji, but a daytrip to hike around Fuji is a welcome break from the city.

- If you do have time to plan things outside Tokyo and Kyoto, do it. The best places in Japan I visited were the ones way way off the beaten path.

- Few people speak much English in Japan outside of the business community in Tokyo. There's no expectation you'll speak any Japanese but do try, they love it. You will struggle to communicate but people will try so hard and resort all kinds of gestures of hospitality from just asking that you follow them and walking you to what you're looking for because they can't tell you how to get there.

- In restaurants, pick places that have the plastic food or menus with pictures. It makes everything a lot easier to point.

- Double Beric01's point on the phone. I rent a mifi (pocket wifi) from this company: http://www.globaladvancedcomm.com/pocketwifi.html, pick up/drop off at the Narita Terminal post office. For $6-7/day you have full connectivity without worrying about an expensive international data plan and associated data limits. It will save you for the GPS and maps alone. I also used the http://www.hyperdia.com/ app constantly to plan train travel. Because there is so little English in Japan I found it a lifesaver to be connected to news sources while traveling.


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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2014, 09:52:29 PM »
PS - enjoy the toilets. They make toilet paper obsolete. Very Mustaschian!

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2014, 09:58:04 PM »
PS - enjoy the toilets. They make toilet paper obsolete. Very Mustaschian!

I never used *that* feature, but in 30F temps outside, the heated seats were amazing.

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2014, 10:04:15 PM »
So much good info on this thread! Following, for my eventual visit to Japan.

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2014, 10:51:11 PM »
PS - enjoy the toilets. They make toilet paper obsolete. Very Mustaschian!

I never used *that* feature, but in 30F temps outside, the heated seats were amazing.

Seriously! The heated seats alone are great but once you've had a warm wash...

A must read -

http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/09/westerners-guide-to-japanese-toilets/

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2014, 12:50:58 AM »
Wow, a lot of info! Thank you all for the response...

It just looks to me that 2 weeks are not enough :(

Will go over all the sites and make the plan this weekend!

p.s. my company also offer that kind of toilets...and there was a bug that one of the buttons is misconfigured to control the toilet next door! You can imagine the scream...

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2014, 02:26:02 AM »
When I went I used this place for a guide http://www.japanpackagetours.com.au/pages/itinerary.php (used mostly for locations rather than what we actually visited).

Something to note is that the food is cheaper at the restaurants they have at the train stations as rent is cheaper particularly in Tokyo (e.g. when I went you could get a meal from about 750 yen - 1500 yen.  The hotel food is often expensive, the Japanese generally go to the hotel restaurants on their businesses money or go for special occassions e.g. about 5000 yen.  The restaurants at the stations generally have pictures of what they are selling (or a selection of it) so you may need point at what dish you want through the window.  From memory, some menus have both Japanese and English on them in Tokyo, but definately not all.

If you feel your missing food from home, a lot of places sell Pizza Margahrita and Pasta Cabonara, but not often other types of pizza.  I found it useful knowing how to read some of the Katakana and Hiragana, and then being able to identify what was beef or something else for finding things like udon noodles with beef.

Unfortunately I'm not sure what prices are like in the US for various things so I can't compare, but the fruit was definately more expensive (e.g. 350 yen for a single (yes 1) orange, though as a cyclone had been through the banana growing places in Australia recently at the time Bananas were cheaper *mutters something about AU12.99kg for bananas*).  Bakery goods were cheaper than in Australia, but really thats not hard...

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2014, 12:58:28 PM »
Just realized that my trip involved a long weekend in Japan, which means the hotel will be 2 times more expensive than usual...According to trip advisor, 86% of rooms were already book in hot places like Kyoto....

Wonder how I should spend that long weekend...

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2014, 03:07:37 PM »
Just realized that my trip involved a long weekend in Japan, which means the hotel will be 2 times more expensive than usual...According to trip advisor, 86% of rooms were already book in hot places like Kyoto....

Wonder how I should spend that long weekend...

You can try spending the night in a capsule hotel! I just heard about them and want to try one next time I'm in Japan.

You can actually travel Japan for amazingly cheap if you're willing to make some sacrifices. Japanese fast food is cheaper than American in many cases, and you also have convini's.

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2014, 04:38:11 PM »
Just realized that my trip involved a long weekend in Japan, which means the hotel will be 2 times more expensive than usual...According to trip advisor, 86% of rooms were already book in hot places like Kyoto....

Wonder how I should spend that long weekend...

You can try spending the night in a capsule hotel! I just heard about them and want to try one next time I'm in Japan.

You can actually travel Japan for amazingly cheap if you're willing to make some sacrifices. Japanese fast food is cheaper than American in many cases, and you also have convini's.

Wow, capsule hotel for honeymoon:) I'll check that.
Not sure if there will be enough space for my bags and belongs in capsule hotel...

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2014, 04:44:29 PM »
Just realized that my trip involved a long weekend in Japan, which means the hotel will be 2 times more expensive than usual...According to trip advisor, 86% of rooms were already book in hot places like Kyoto....

Wonder how I should spend that long weekend...

You can try spending the night in a capsule hotel! I just heard about them and want to try one next time I'm in Japan.

You can actually travel Japan for amazingly cheap if you're willing to make some sacrifices. Japanese fast food is cheaper than American in many cases, and you also have convini's.

Wow, capsule hotel for honeymoon:) I'll check that.
Not sure if there will be enough space for my bags and belongs in capsule hotel...

Apparently there's some capsules that are a bit larger such that you can walk around in them. My co-worker stayed in one. More expensive though, but could be an option if everything else reasonable is full.

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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2014, 07:41:40 AM »
I freakin love Japan and Kyoto may be my favorite place on Earth. I was pleasantly surprised at how affordable it can actually be, even in Tokyo. I found good hotels for reasonable prices on Trip Advisor in both Tokyo and Kyoto. Granted, these weren't five star, but good enough. However, a ryokan is worth the splurge, especially in Kyoto. Our stay in a Kyoto ryokan really made our go from good to great. (Just don't get soap in the wooden soaking tubs. That's the one faux pas that the Japanese cannot forgive of foreigners.)

As Beric01 pointed out (and he already nailed most of what I was going to say), you can eat very cheaply. While I normally avoid fast food in the States, Japanese fast food was novel to me. I loved the katsudon places and noodle joints. I found a lot of places have good lunch specials, especially if you like noodles (I do!). For a very good kaiseki dinner on the cheap, try Giro Giro in Kyoto. It's still not cheap by Mustacian standards, but it's a bargain compared to most kaiseki places around and run by some young up and coming chefs, which is partly why it's cheaper. You have to do at least one kaiseki meal in Kyoto. It's just part of the experience.

Kyoto is navigable by bicycle. In fact, I highly recommend getting around that way at least part of the time. Check out the Kyoto Cycling Project website for rentals or tours. You must, a a minimum, go to Kiyomizudera, the Silver Pavilion, the Golden Pavilion, spend time in Gion, wander the bamboo forests at Arashiyama. There's so much there to see.

There are also some good Japanese food blogs and guides in English. I can't find them at the moment, but I'll try to dig them up and post them later. They turned out to be very useful.

I see that someone else recommended going to Nara. Do that. If you have time, a side trip from Nara (short train ride) to Horyuji is worth the trip for some of the world's oldest (if not the oldest) wooden structures. When I was there, there were few tourists and I had the place to myself.
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Re: Need suggestions on planning a trip to Japan
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2014, 07:48:13 AM »
Here's one of the food guides that we used:
http://www.bento.com/

There's also a lot of good English blogs on Japanese food too. Tons more if you can read Japanese.
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