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Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« on: March 06, 2017, 11:54:15 AM »
I upgraded my phone to an HTC 526 last April because work told me my iphone 4 was no longer supported and I need to have the newest one, or an Android 5.1.  This phone runs 5.1

Now they are telling me I have to have Android 6.0.  UGH.  (Thankfully the new phone only cost $60.)

Can anyone tell me
1) Is there a higher version than that? If I upgrade to 6.0, are they going to expect me to buy a new phone again in a year? (Which is an obscenely short time to own a phone.)
2) What is the cheapest option to get a new Android that runs 6.0 (or higher...)- right now I'm prepaid with Verizon.  Is there another service that is going to save me a lot of money?  We looked into Google Fi, but it wasn't available where I live.


My work gives me an after-tax credit of $40 for BYOD.  My bill is $45/ mo for unlimited talk and text and 2 GB (?) of data.
Do you think I should just tell them to give me a work provided phone and have a separate home phone? I hate the idea of carrying two phones- but I also hate this "buy a new phone" every year BS; especially if I can cut my bill a lot lower than $45.
I mostly just use my phone for a glorified Wifi receiver with occasional telephone calls and texts. (I use minimal data, though I'm not sure I'd want to be without it.)  What do you recommend changing to?

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 12:03:33 PM »
Well, you could theoretically root the phone and install Android 6 on it. Unfortunately, android is on 7 now. Upgrading your phone would cost $0, so although it would take some work, it is absolutely the cheapest option. One you get past the rampant acronyms in the phone rooting community, it is rather easy. I currently have a phone that came with 5.1 that I am running 6.0.1 on.

However, I do not have the same phone as you, so I cannot tell you what root method I used. Here is one guide- a marhmallow ROM- follow the links for rooting/bootloader unlocking info:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/desire-526/development/rom-marshmallow-htc-desire-526g-t3500557

Here is one that looks like it the verizon variant specific:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/desire-526/general/root-100-vzw-desire-526-perm-root-t3498197

And here is somewhere else you can get a Marshmallow (6.0.x) ROM for your phone
https://forum.xda-developers.com/desire-526/general/rom-marshmallow-htc-desire-526g-mt6582-t3505808

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 12:12:26 PM »
A rooted phone isn't supported on the security agent.

So that's a non starter, unfortunately.

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2017, 12:23:14 PM »
I upgraded my phone to an HTC 526 last April because work told me my iphone 4 was no longer supported and I need to have the newest one, or an Android 5.1.  This phone runs 5.1

Now they are telling me I have to have Android 6.0.  UGH.  (Thankfully the new phone only cost $60.)

Can anyone tell me
1) Is there a higher version than that? If I upgrade to 6.0, are they going to expect me to buy a new phone again in a year? (Which is an obscenely short time to own a phone.)
2) What is the cheapest option to get a new Android that runs 6.0 (or higher...)- right now I'm prepaid with Verizon.  Is there another service that is going to save me a lot of money?  We looked into Google Fi, but it wasn't available where I live.


My work gives me an after-tax credit of $40 for BYOD.  My bill is $45/ mo for unlimited talk and text and 2 GB (?) of data.
Do you think I should just tell them to give me a work provided phone and have a separate home phone? I hate the idea of carrying two phones- but I also hate this "buy a new phone" every year BS; especially if I can cut my bill a lot lower than $45.
I mostly just use my phone for a glorified Wifi receiver with occasional telephone calls and texts. (I use minimal data, though I'm not sure I'd want to be without it.)  What do you recommend changing to?

1.) Current latest Android is 7.1.2 (Nougat) with version 8 being likely sometime this summer/early fall (Google has been releasing a new major version -- indicated less by version number and more by branding -- yearly for many years)

2.)

If your phone is required by your employer, they should be carrying 100% of the cost. If not, they are a shitty employer (and in some locales possibly in violation of the law). There's no cheaper option for you than to have them provide you with a phone. Is it against policy for you to use a company provided device for (reasonable) personal use? That could prevent you from having to have two phones. Your usage profile (as described) easily falls under what any employer would call "reasonable".

Otherwise you have two options:

1.) Buy the cheapest Android device you can, and be on the upgrade train endlessly (how often depends on your company support policy). Your employer may not support the bargain bin Android devices as they may not include the libraries or hardware necessary. Ask your employer.

2.) Buy a super expensive Apple device (because they all are) but have a device that will be supported by Apple (and your company) much longer.

More detail about your costs, your phone needs and your company support policy would be required to determine if #1 or #2 is the cheaper option.

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2017, 01:21:47 PM »
A rooted phone isn't supported on the security agent.

So that's a non starter, unfortunately.

For what it's worth, it is possible to remove root with some third party Android builds, and some older third party Android builds (such as Paranoid Android) didn't include it at all. Unfortunately, you'd need a far more mainstream (read flagship model) to probably get that sort of build support without compiling yourself.

Miles is right, though. If your employer is going to dictate you have a smartphone at all with your job, let alone a smartphone that has to meet certain OS build requirements for security and management - this should be a "their cost" "they provide" thing, not you.

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2017, 01:41:29 PM »
Okay- to clarify (I thought I said this in my first post) so my company will provide me a phone. An Iphone 20 or whatever they are on now.
They offer BYOD as a convenience so that we don't all have to carry two phones around (and I'm sure it works out favorably for them). We get a after tax $40 credit if we choose to BYOD.  I've always done that as that covers about 2/3 of my phone bill.  So having my own phone is my own choice.

If I have them provide the device, I cannot use it for personal reasons. I could probably make a phone call or two, especially when traveling, but we aren't even supposed to store personal phone numbers in it, and I wouldn't be able to have my personal apps- so I would still need my own phone.


However, I can't find anything with 6.0 under $120 or so.  Over that it doesn't seem to make sense. After-tax, I'm getting $30 a month towards the phone; so they'd barely be covering a half year of my plan costs if I have to buy a new phone yearly to keep up.  I know there are people on MMM with a plan cost much less than $45 a month though- so if I could get that down significantly, then maybe it would still make sense to BYOD?  But I'd need unlimited talk, text, and probably the 1-2 GB of data (it is important to have some data since I travel for work and not all airports have wifi that is easily accessible).


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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2017, 02:33:27 PM »
Cricket for me is $35/month for unlimited talk/text and 3gb data

Why carry two phones? Port/use google voice for personal line that connects to work phone. Service may drop at times but most of time it is good

Or forward calls/text to work phone and leave home phone at home

Personally I like blackberry phone for the work/personal spaces if company runs bes

I have a business starwood card (I know, it has a fee), it includes boingo wifi which seems to be in most places with partnership with time warner. Between boingo/time warner/att (through cricket) for wifi options, I can usually get wifi everywhere that isnt rural/residential
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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2017, 02:36:31 PM »
Cricket for me is $35/month for unlimited talk/text and 3gb data

Why carry two phones? Port/use google voice for personal line that connects to work phone. Service may drop at times but most of time it is good

Or forward calls/text to work phone and leave home phone at home

Personally I like blackberry phone for the work/personal spaces if company runs bes

Two phones because my company has very specific requirements for the phone to be able to access email/calendars on the device. My phone is about to age out of coverage due to an older operating system.  To be able to access email, I either have to upgrade (and I can't find a device that is reasonably priced with Android 6.0 as I was able to last year with Android 5.1) or get a second device.  Voice isn't the issue. It is rare to make calls for work on the phone.

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2017, 02:38:20 PM »
No I get the part about work and phone, but you said if you took company phone, you would need to carry two phones. Why cant you use work phone as personal phone as well? Forward calls to it if you want to keep number

Sorry didnt see part you said you cant use it for personal use. Used to blackberry balance where phone has a work/personal profile setting
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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 02:44:30 PM »
No I get the part about work and phone, but you said if you took company phone, you would need to carry two phones. Why cant you use work phone as personal phone as well? Forward calls to it if you want to keep number

Sorry didnt see part you said you cant use it for personal use. Used to blackberry balance where phone has a work/personal profile setting

We can't use company resources for private use.  That's just their thing. I've never worked anywhere that lets you do that.  I mean, I could probably make a quick call, but not more than that.  It's not my property, it's theirs.

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2017, 02:57:46 PM »
No I get the part about work and phone, but you said if you took company phone, you would need to carry two phones. Why cant you use work phone as personal phone as well? Forward calls to it if you want to keep number

Sorry didnt see part you said you cant use it for personal use. Used to blackberry balance where phone has a work/personal profile setting

We can't use company resources for private use.  That's just their thing. I've never worked anywhere that lets you do that.  I mean, I could probably make a quick call, but not more than that.  It's not my property, it's theirs.
no, i got that now. I misread the you can't use it for personal reasons as you don't like the phone so you won't use it for "personal reasons"

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 03:06:03 PM »
No I get the part about work and phone, but you said if you took company phone, you would need to carry two phones. Why cant you use work phone as personal phone as well? Forward calls to it if you want to keep number

Sorry didnt see part you said you cant use it for personal use. Used to blackberry balance where phone has a work/personal profile setting

We can't use company resources for private use.  That's just their thing. I've never worked anywhere that lets you do that.  I mean, I could probably make a quick call, but not more than that.  It's not my property, it's theirs.
no, i got that now. I misread the you can't use it for personal reasons as you don't like the phone so you won't use it for "personal reasons"

Oh - that makes sense :)
No, if they wanted to give me a fancy schmancy Iphone and let me play cooking fever and use my coupon apps on it, I totally would.

However, I've now requested said fancy Iphone just to take up room in my purse.

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2017, 03:18:59 PM »
I noticed this on Slickdeals today:

Motorola G4 Play, for Verizon prepaid, $50 -- includes $50 of VZ prepaid credit:
https://slickdeals.net/f/9837527-prepaid-phones-verizon-moto-g4-play-50-service-credit-more-50-w-visa-checkout?v=1

The G4 Play runs on Android 6 (marshmallow) currently. 


Another option:  my wife is using a Motorola G4 (not the G4 Play, and not the G4+), on Verizon.  It's pretty close to stock Android.  Very little bloatware.  You might look at the G4 on Amazon -- they have a version that includes advertisements, for cheap.  IMHO the G4 has some distinct advantages over the G4 Play, so you might want to google some comparisons before deciding.

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2017, 03:21:48 PM »
I noticed this on Slickdeals today:

Motorola G4 Play, for Verizon prepaid, $50 -- includes $50 of VZ prepaid credit:
https://slickdeals.net/f/9837527-prepaid-phones-verizon-moto-g4-play-50-service-credit-more-50-w-visa-checkout?v=1

The G4 Play runs on Android 6 (marshmallow) currently. 


Another option:  my wife is using a Motorola G4 (not the G4 Play, and not the G4+), on Verizon.  It's pretty close to stock Android.  Very little bloatware.  You might look at the G4 on Amazon -- they have a version that includes advertisements, for cheap.  IMHO the G4 has some distinct advantages over the G4 Play, so you might want to google some comparisons before deciding.

Thanks - I'll look into this.

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2017, 03:59:50 PM »
Cricket for me is $35/month for unlimited talk/text and 3gb data

Why carry two phones? Port/use google voice for personal line that connects to work phone. Service may drop at times but most of time it is good

Or forward calls/text to work phone and leave home phone at home

Personally I like blackberry phone for the work/personal spaces if company runs bes

Two phones because my company has very specific requirements for the phone to be able to access email/calendars on the device. My phone is about to age out of coverage due to an older operating system.  To be able to access email, I either have to upgrade (and I can't find a device that is reasonably priced with Android 6.0 as I was able to last year with Android 5.1) or get a second device.  Voice isn't the issue. It is rare to make calls for work on the phone.

So, I have to ask another angle. Do you work from home, or are you paid to be on call, etc.?

Honestly, unless you are REQUIRED and COMPENSATED to be connected 24x7 then my suggestion is to not worry about the work phone at all... If they ain't requiring/paying you to check your email off hours, why are you doing it?

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2017, 04:52:41 PM »
I will never do BYOD at my job. If my employer wants me to have a phone for work then they will give me one.

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2017, 05:30:27 PM »
Buying a new(er) phone every year or so means you can sell or trade-in your old phone.
You can google "where to sell cellphone" to get lots of info - but note the date of what you're reading as things change quite a bit over time.
You should wipe your data from the old phone - after you make sure everything you need off it is put on the new phone.  http://www.hard-reset.com  will tell you how to do it for most any mobile device.

The last 3 (maybe 4) phones I bought were 'refurbished'.  It saves me money and gives me 90 days to exchange it or get a refund if something doesn't work. 
I research (google search) "best budget cell phone" and find the ones that have recently been 'replaced' by a newer model/version - this takes the price down another notch.  Once I narrow it down to 2 or 3 phones, I search/read reviews of those models to pick the one that will be best for me.
My daughter use to sell cell phones and use to buy a different used phone every 6 mos or so. She said she's "only had a problem a couple of times".
Note that the newer the phone, the more likely it can be upgraded to new version(s) of Android.   Because of this, I think you shouldn't buy the cheapest phone you can find.
Then, I google "refurbished {the model}".  You may get multiple hits for amazon - it's because there's a lot of sellers on amazon.  I always note the sellers ratings. 

Oh, you have to pick your carrier (cell service Co.) before you pick a phone as not all phones work on all carriers (for now, I've read that's changing).  The carrier has to allow 'bring your own device' (BYOD), which means use a phone you didn't buy from them.  Part of your phone research is confirming it works on your chosen carrier.

I JUST bought a Motorola Moto G4 (not + or play).  I've started doing some side gigs and I'm finding some of them are app (and cell data) based.  It's my first 4G phone. It is WAY faster and sharper than my current Moto G (1st or 2nd gen.).
I've been on PagePlus cell service for years. It uses the Verizon network, which is important to me because it has the best coverage in rural areas - where it can be hard to find WiFi.  It's been $12/mo - with very little (3G) data.
But I learned on here (Thx I.P. Daley) that it's recently been sold to a Co. with poor customer service, so I'm getting Selectel for the new phone.  They are also on the Verizon network.  $30/mo gives 1.5K minutes, unlimited texts and 1Gb of 4G data.  $40 is unlimited talk and text w/ 2 Gb data.
Note that phones for Verizon pre-paid do not work on PagePlus or Selectel.




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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2017, 05:34:37 PM »
Cricket for me is $35/month for unlimited talk/text and 3gb data

Why carry two phones? Port/use google voice for personal line that connects to work phone. Service may drop at times but most of time it is good

Or forward calls/text to work phone and leave home phone at home

Personally I like blackberry phone for the work/personal spaces if company runs bes

Two phones because my company has very specific requirements for the phone to be able to access email/calendars on the device. My phone is about to age out of coverage due to an older operating system.  To be able to access email, I either have to upgrade (and I can't find a device that is reasonably priced with Android 6.0 as I was able to last year with Android 5.1) or get a second device.  Voice isn't the issue. It is rare to make calls for work on the phone.

So, I have to ask another angle. Do you work from home, or are you paid to be on call, etc.?

Honestly, unless you are REQUIRED and COMPENSATED to be connected 24x7 then my suggestion is to not worry about the work phone at all... If they ain't requiring/paying you to check your email off hours, why are you doing it?

I'm an exempt employee, so they can require me to be on call.  It's mostly nice when I travel or to keep up with emails in the evening. I don't always respond, and I turn it off when I sleep. Since they will give us a device, it is required.


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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2017, 07:00:41 PM »
How much is an iPhone SE there? They'll be supported for a while and they're less expensive than the 7 etc.

Although yeah I'm no fan of BYOD. Many employment contracts include the clause that anything transmitted using the company's resources is the property of the company, and can be logged. I'd rather keep work and personal devices (and data) separate. If that means two phones, so be it.

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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2017, 06:12:26 AM »
I've sort of been in your shoes with this. I'm going to assume that in order to access email/calendar/etc. that you have to install AirWatch, correct? I was given the option of switching my phone to BYOD (my company stopped issuing new company phones last year, everyone has to switch to personal devices after the company contract ends) but with the stipulation that AirWatch be installed.

For those who don't know what AirWatch is, it's an app that allows you to securely access company servers/etc. It also tracks everything you do on your phone and when installed, your company's IT department can remotely control portions of your device. It does not work if your phone is rooted or jailbroken.

For the reasons I mentioned above, I declined to install the app on my phone (it also bogs down Android phones). I would rather field the occasional call on my own dime, and I can use my company Laptop to do work if needed. The complete forfeiture of privacy was not worth it for me. Oh, and my company also stipulated that 6.0 Marshmallow would be needed.


If AirWatch is not needed, and you don't have a similar app that is installed, my best guess is that your Company is requiring you to have the latest OS to minimize security vulnerabilities.

My advice? Really think long and hard if you need to be accessing work info on your personal device. Can you just field the occasional call/text and use email/calendar through other means? If not, I might go one step further and spend the $$$ for a phone that is capable of being updated with 7.0 Nougat and that will be able to be updated with 8.0. Otherwise you will probably find yourself buying a $200 phone every year. You will probably spend $400+ but you'll get 3 years out of the new phone (or more).
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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2017, 07:34:23 AM »
I've sort of been in your shoes with this. I'm going to assume that in order to access email/calendar/etc. that you have to install AirWatch, correct? I was given the option of switching my phone to BYOD (my company stopped issuing new company phones last year, everyone has to switch to personal devices after the company contract ends) but with the stipulation that AirWatch be installed.

For those who don't know what AirWatch is, it's an app that allows you to securely access company servers/etc. It also tracks everything you do on your phone and when installed, your company's IT department can remotely control portions of your device. It does not work if your phone is rooted or jailbroken.

For the reasons I mentioned above, I declined to install the app on my phone (it also bogs down Android phones). I would rather field the occasional call on my own dime, and I can use my company Laptop to do work if needed. The complete forfeiture of privacy was not worth it for me. Oh, and my company also stipulated that 6.0 Marshmallow would be needed.

If AirWatch is not needed, and you don't have a similar app that is installed, my best guess is that your Company is requiring you to have the latest OS to minimize security vulnerabilities.

My advice? Really think long and hard if you need to be accessing work info on your personal device. Can you just field the occasional call/text and use email/calendar through other means? If not, I might go one step further and spend the $$$ for a phone that is capable of being updated with 7.0 Nougat and that will be able to be updated with 8.0. Otherwise you will probably find yourself buying a $200 phone every year. You will probably spend $400+ but you'll get 3 years out of the new phone (or more).

Yeah- Airwatch is the new issue. We got told to install it yesterday and if it isn't on by Friday we get dropped from BYOD.
In addition to not having 6.0; my phone is only 8 GB. I'm not sure I can even FIT all the apps that go along with airwatch on it.

I have no problems with getting calls or texts on my personal phone- it's rare to get those anyway (texts mostly when we travel, and often "want to go for dinner?" sort of things). I've notified my team that until I am approved for a company device I can no longer receive emails or calendar updates outside of my regular office hours. 

I have no interest in spending more than $100 on a phone, since the BYOD stipend is only $40 (taxable) a month. It isn't worth it otherwise.


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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2017, 09:38:01 AM »
Not that I like the idea of BYOD with corporate overwatch on a device I own... but if you'd rather get the stipend, stay on the Verizon network, and have ongoing VMWare AirWatch support reasonably indefinitely (or at least on similar life support cycles to iOS) without spending much money, consider using a Lumia 735. $120 new purchased outright, $60 (or lower) used in excellent condition on Ebay with clean ESN, probably even a few floating around on your local Craigslist. If your smartphone needs are reasonably simple and "this is a tool" oriented, it should be a good option. Not a great option for everyone (especially if you want a toy instead of a tool), but it is a good option for a lot more people than you think. There's better and cheaper Windows 10 Phones (such as the Lumia 640) if you abandon the requirement for Verizon coverage and can go to an AT&T or T-Mobile based MVNO. Service would be a bit cheaper, too.

You probably don't actually need unlimited anything in your calling plan, however, and I'd be surprised if you actually needed that much data... especially on Windows Mobile as they're actually very lean on background data usage. If you feel you must stay with Verizon coverage, however, definitely consider switching to Selectel. You'll probably find that if you restrict your phone plan to what you actually need, you'll probably spend less per month, but again, Verizon MVNOs are more expensive than AT&T and T-Mobile MVNOs.

So there you go, another option (or two) to consider.

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Re: Need phone help: Android 6.0; or not...
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2017, 02:17:34 PM »
Not that I like the idea of BYOD with corporate overwatch on a device I own... but if you'd rather get the stipend, stay on the Verizon network, and have ongoing VMWare AirWatch support reasonably indefinitely (or at least on similar life support cycles to iOS) without spending much money, consider using a Lumia 735. $120 new purchased outright, $60 (or lower) used in excellent condition on Ebay with clean ESN, probably even a few floating around on your local Craigslist. If your smartphone needs are reasonably simple and "this is a tool" oriented, it should be a good option. Not a great option for everyone (especially if you want a toy instead of a tool), but it is a good option for a lot more people than you think. There's better and cheaper Windows 10 Phones (such as the Lumia 640) if you abandon the requirement for Verizon coverage and can go to an AT&T or T-Mobile based MVNO. Service would be a bit cheaper, too.

You probably don't actually need unlimited anything in your calling plan, however, and I'd be surprised if you actually needed that much data... especially on Windows Mobile as they're actually very lean on background data usage. If you feel you must stay with Verizon coverage, however, definitely consider switching to Selectel. You'll probably find that if you restrict your phone plan to what you actually need, you'll probably spend less per month, but again, Verizon MVNOs are more expensive than AT&T and T-Mobile MVNOs.

So there you go, another option (or two) to consider.

Thanks for the suggestions. I don't think I've ever used more than 1 GB of data, but I get close on the months work has me travel a lot. In my personal life, it's really just a wifi device.   I don't need a toy as far as a "tech toy"- but I do keep a number of coupon apps, a few games, etc on it, so it isn't just a work tool.

We aren't totally tied to Verizon, but have been happy with them. My understanding is T-Mobile has crappy coverage in my area, though I'm sure AT&T does. I don't know much about Selectel, will look at them.