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« on: December 23, 2020, 10:18:01 AM »
I have posted this elsewhere but think MMM is best for this sort of question-

I am really in a tough spot and feel free to throw at me whatever you want. I just need some good ideas/suggestions more than anything.

First two questions I need answered so if people dont read the whole thing I can get this covered.

Do you know how many credits you have to take per semester to avoid having to start paying back FAFSA?

Once you are done with school , do you know how long before you have to start paying back FAFSA?

If a person owes 20k to FAFSA any idea what their monthly payment would look like?

So here is my problem. My oldest DS was /is a D1 athlete and got an offer when in HS to go to the State of his dreams to play over 900 miles away his sport. Good School but I told him not to accept its your first offer but end of day he was to excited and we told our kids they had 60k in there 529s (equals 4 years of in state costs) so if you go somewhere else your responsible. In his sport for a male scholarships are tough to come by and in the end we agreed. He went and the first year played every minute and one conference awards and so on. Fall of sophomore year same thing but he really hated it as the team stunk and the coach wouldnt cut him a break and made him played no matter how hurt he was and so on. End of fall season he decided to transfer and went into whats called a transfer portal but right before this his coach told him he was going to give him a 100% or close to the next two years but he didnt care. In the portal he got probably at least 100 schools wanting to try and make it work and though his grades were around a 3.0 there wasnt much money for academically and because of the middle of year regular scholarships are spoken for so it came down to about 5 schools. The one he chose he was going to replace a player in the same position that went Pro and they saw him coming in and doing the same thing and everyone saw this potentially so it wasnt far fetched. They had enough to cover everything for the spring semester of his sophomore year except about 5k which he took from FAFSA. Well he got hurt and hurt bad. Then a coaching change and then no guarantee of money because of injury . He had a great academic semester in the High 3's but lost credits when he transferred and switched from econ to Business and Finance. So after sometime and the state of the injury he said he is done with the sport and just wants to be a student. So I was of course fine with that but just said if your going to come back to our state pick a school that has a D1 program so if you heal and want you know you can walk on and wont have any problem making the team. Well he transfered and did horrible academically. Now drops Business and just does finance. Covid sets in he moves home and does the online thing and gets a job because I helped pay for the transfer and now the second transfer so long and short of it I am into this about 80k he owes FAFA about 20k. He is working about 32 hours a week and between doing poorly and losing credits instead of graduating after one more semester had more like a year and a half to go. He makes about 1600-1800$ a month and I charge him 200 a month for food because he is a beast and it doesnt come near to covering 1/3 of what he eats in a week. Plus he goes to the gym everyday and works out 6 days a week. Hes been living at home for 8-9 months and hasnt saved a dime. He still drives a car (2015 kia) of mine , I pay his cell phone and car insurance and the deal was he had to by the car if not going to school or once he hit a set mileage I believe 60k. So two days ago he comes do me and says hes not going back to school he just cant do it. Says he doesnt want to spend anymore money and wants to find a job he likes. I am worried even though there are other ways to go then college he has 100k into it already and he is going to be shocked when I tell him ok then you have to start paying for the car, insurance, phone and some groceries all of which comes to around 500$ a month which really is nothing and his take home should go up. He is really a good kid, intelligent, adults really like him but he is just lacking that umph. I think he was to identified by his sport and hasnt been able to replace that yet so I want to help just not sure how and to avoid it continuing to be at my expense. With Covid and the lack of 21 year olds being able to do much I dont want to toss his ass out or be just a jerk but I need to do something because its to comfortable for him around here. I know he appreciates it but doesnt pitch in and never does what he says he is going to do. I am stumped.

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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2020, 10:37:55 AM »
Ouch.  I can't really give advice, but making him pay his own way is the way to go.  I've known several kids/ men that age who kind of lost their way part way through college.  Many of them got through it and ended up finishing after a break. 

If he wants to be an adult ... welcome to adulthood!  I include making him move out also, and pay all of his own bills.

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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2020, 10:49:57 AM »
As to your questions at the top: I don't think it matters how many credits your son will have to take per semester to avoid paying back student loans, since he says he won't go back. Generally, the repayment clock on student loans starts six months after a student is no longer in school.

Covid makes this harder, definitely, but your kid has a job already, so that kind of makes Covid a moot point. He needs to start paying his own way in the world. I would give him a timeline by which he has to be out of your house and living on his own. By summer, for sure. Preferably sooner.

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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2020, 10:51:30 AM »
Remember, advice here is free, and you get what you pay for. Before big decisions are made, should he get a complete physical, including a mental health check? He (and you too!) have been through a lot!

But to your original questions, federal loans are usually a 10 year payback, so he’s looking at around a $220 a month payment for those 10 years. I think a student needs to take more than 12 credits to be considered full time. Check his college website for that information.

If he can stick it out for a bit more, that degree would represent, if anything, a finish line to a tough slog! I think he can do this!

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2020, 11:08:55 AM »
I think you're asking about student loan repayment.  The FAFSA is the Free Application for Federal Student Aid and is the online application submitted each year to determine eligibility for financial aid, both from the federal government as well as the state and the universities.

Federal student loan repayment begins when you graduate, quit, or drop below half time units.  Some loans have a 6 month grace period.  You and your son should be notified when the first payment is due.  To answer your question, he has to be enrolled in at least half time units to avoid going into repayment.

To respond to the rest of the situation, you need to communicate limits and expectations.  I'll write about how we're handing this with out college age students.

Child #1 is finishing is A.S. transfer degree this spring, with plans to transfer to a private university if the financial offer is good enough.  Even though this is his first choice school, if the financial aid package isn't good, he'll go to a state school.  Either way he will live at home.

Child #2 is also finishing community college with an A.S. transfer degree.  Because he wishes to move out, he will be going to the local state school.  We won't pay private university tuition in this situation because he'll have to work more hours to support himself, which will likely cause his academic performance to suffer.  We will pay the state school tuition as long as he meets our expectations, which include not failing classes and not having his GPA drop below 3.0 -- if either of these things happens he is a) required to pay us back for any failed classes, and b) will have to take over paying for his own education if he drops below a 3.0 GPA.

Both children have part time jobs.  They are currently responsible for paying for their own clothing, any junk food they want, their own entertainment and hobbies, incidental expenses, etc.  When child #2 moves out he will have to get his own cell phone plan and car insurance (once he gets his license).  He can stay on the medical and dental insurance but will be responsible for his copays.  The way we see it, wanting the independence of living on his own requires taking on the responsibilities and expenses of living on his own.  Our agreement had always been that they would live at home through university.  He wants to change that, so he has to take on the cost.

We haven't bought a car for either child.  We have one car shared by all of us, although child #2 doesn't have his license and if he doesn't take the initiative, he never will.  We've offered to pay for driver training once he gets a permit, which we also did for his brother.  It's possible we will provide him with a used car (in the $5K range) when he starts state school.  We don't want him to fail at attaining his degree -- we just want him to take financial responsibility for himself if he chooses to move out.

In general, we've been slowly turning off the tap for a few years now, with the goal to have them capable of financial independence once they attain their degrees and find jobs in their chosen fields.  For example, neither of them will move out and still be on our cell phone plan.  I don't care if it would save them a few dollars.  I see staying on cell phone plans as a larger problem of parents providing economic outpatient care to adult children.  My dad kept my sister (and her husband) on his plan until she was 43 years old because she whined and pleaded, and of course that wasn't he only way he helped.  He subsidized my brother for years as well, only stopping when my dad lost his business and couldn't find a job for awhile.  My FIL was subsidizing DH's siblings all the way up until his death (when he died BIL was 39 and SIL was 48), giving rent money, giving them his used cars, etc.  My experience has been that adult children who aren't required to support themselves don't learn necessary financial skills and likely never will.  My sister still expects handouts.  My BIL and SIL still rely on MIL to bail them out (SIL is living with MIL because she can't afford to live on her own).

If your son isn't going to school and is making that kind of money, stop undercharging him for food.  Start charging him rent.  Tell him to buy a car.  Do what you can to make him financially independent.

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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2020, 11:13:46 AM »
  I say let him work, and then return to pursuing college when he is ready.  Things didn't work out to a satisfying ending, with either the sport or the degree, so he needs time and a new goal to work towards.

 You say he has $100K into this degree so far,  does that total include his dorm room / house expenses, meal plan, clothes, party money, etc - when he was away  ?    It wasn't just for tuition, books, and class fees, at the scools he attended, was it ?    Either way, you had laid out, once he had spent thru the $60K 529plan, he was responsible. It was your decision to pay any costs you've borne since he came home. So you need another " EndPoint" to agree on- or dictate- so this  past 9 months doesn't increase into 2 years.

 I'd say he doesn't really {personally} have any money $$ into the adventure + education of the past few years, so far....
Someone provided $60K from a 529 style plan.  Then you added another $20K because of swapping schools due to the injury.  And he has $20K in loans which he is responsible for [ by himself or co-signed ?] - of which he hasn't repaid anything yet...   so his monetary [ not physical or mental ]  investment into this "life adventure" seems minimal so far.

  Maybe set a ' generous' value on the Kia , perhaps a couple thousand below retail , or even private party value.  And offer the car to him for that price. Take reasonable payments [ $200-300/mo seems fair] . But let him pay for his own insurance needs, on his own insurance policy. He'll tend to be a more resonsible driver this way also.   If the Kia isn't "cool enough/ good enough/ cheap enough " , let him find his own ride thru Craigslist, again while paying his own insurance - meaning his own seperate policy + policy #, in his name.

 $1800 / mo minus food, utilities, insurance and car payment , should be possible to pay rent if he lived in an apartment / small house and had a 50%-50% roomate. Maybe one of the guys from the gym ? .  Plus 32 hrs a week can be supplemented somehow.
 
 

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2020, 11:32:39 AM »
FAFSA isn’t a type of loan, it’s an application you fill out to determine what federal loans, grants, and scholarships you can get. You need to look at what kind of loans he has and then you will get a sense of options. Have him log into studentaid.gov to view his current loans and use the loan simulator on that website to see payment options. If he only took out federal loans, versus private loans that you would have had to apply for separately through a company like Sallie Mae, that makes the situation easier.

1) all federal loans are at 0% interest and $0 payments for now due to covid. (Which also means his loans haven’t accrued any interest since March.) This will continue though January 31, 2021 and is likely to be extended again through spring by executive order after Biden takes office. So start paying attention to the covid SL deferments and what that means for your family.

2) federal grace periods for students in normal times is six months from no longer being enrolled. You usually need 12 credits to be full time. It doesn’t sound like your son does well working and taking classes at the same time so, calculate his six months, while also keeping in mind the covid deferment.

3) As you will see in the loan simulator, federal loans have income base payment plans. If you’re not claiming him as a dependent, his income would likely put his payments at $0. This does nothing to make them go away, and after the covid 0% interest relief the balance will grow. But it might be best for the short term while he gets set up adulting and then he can either switch to a 10 year payment or stay on an income based plan but make extra payments to kill the loans. (Its forgiven after 20 years, with the amount forgiven taxed, but with only 20k it makes more sense to just pay it off once he’s financially stable.)

4) when you say you’re in it for 80k, what do you mean? Is that money from 529/your savings? Or did you take out parent plus loans? Was there an expectation that he’d pay those back? Any income based plan will be based on your income not his, so it will be higher. They won’t consider your loans and his loans together when basing payments. You are treated separately.

5) You might want to consider counseling for your son or see if he has symptoms of depression. Even if you want to convince him to go back to school to finish, it would be a poor decision if his mental state his such that he will continuously have to retake classes. He’ll likely end up further in the hole financially and mentally, with the same result of no degree. I’ve see it happen with someone close to me, who in hindsight I wish I hadn’t pushed to finish that last 1.5 years.

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2020, 12:53:54 PM »
FAFSA isn’t a type of loan, it’s an application you fill out to determine what federal loans, grants, and scholarships you can get. You need to look at what kind of loans he has and then you will get a sense of options. Have him log into studentaid.gov to view his current loans and use the loan simulator on that website to see payment options. If he only took out federal loans, versus private loans that you would have had to apply for separately through a company like Sallie Mae, that makes the situation easier.

1) all federal loans are at 0% interest and $0 payments for now due to covid. (Which also means his loans haven’t accrued any interest since March.) This will continue though January 31, 2021 and is likely to be extended again through spring by executive order after Biden takes office. So start paying attention to the covid SL deferments and what that means for your family.

2) federal grace periods for students in normal times is six months from no longer being enrolled. You usually need 12 credits to be full time. It doesn’t sound like your son does well working and taking classes at the same time so, calculate his six months, while also keeping in mind the covid deferment.

3) As you will see in the loan simulator, federal loans have income base payment plans. If you’re not claiming him as a dependent, his income would likely put his payments at $0. This does nothing to make them go away, and after the covid 0% interest relief the balance will grow. But it might be best for the short term while he gets set up adulting and then he can either switch to a 10 year payment or stay on an income based plan but make extra payments to kill the loans. (Its forgiven after 20 years, with the amount forgiven taxed, but with only 20k it makes more sense to just pay it off once he’s financially stable.)

4) when you say you’re in it for 80k, what do you mean? Is that money from 529/your savings? Or did you take out parent plus loans? Was there an expectation that he’d pay those back? Any income based plan will be based on your income not his, so it will be higher. They won’t consider your loans and his loans together when basing payments. You are treated separately.

5) You might want to consider counseling for your son or see if he has symptoms of depression. Even if you want to convince him to go back to school to finish, it would be a poor decision if his mental state his such that he will continuously have to retake classes. He’ll likely end up further in the hole financially and mentally, with the same result of no degree. I’ve see it happen with someone close to me, who in hindsight I wish I hadn’t pushed to finish that last 1.5 years.


Very good information Thank you. I looked at his account and your right there loans and some have some interest on them. I ran some calculations online to see what he could afford. I think the best for him is to get out and work and work hard and reset himself. I dont want to say it loosely but I dont think he suffers from depression.

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2020, 02:54:17 PM »
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For example, neither of them will move out and still be on our cell phone plan.  I don't care if it would save them a few dollars.  I see staying on cell phone plans as a larger problem of parents providing economic outpatient care to adult children.  My dad kept my sister (and her husband) on his plan until she was 43 years old because she whined and pleaded, and of course that wasn't he only way he helped.

Wow.  I am so old that cell phones weren't a thing when I was a kid.  I got my first cell phone after I had my first child.  So I was, maybe, 36?  37?

In any event, several years ago, I worked with a bright young engineer who was around 24-25.  She was very proud of her degree and her job and being an adult.  But one day...she complained that her brother "stole" her upgrade.  Why, what do you mean? 

Well, she was in line to get the next phone upgrade on her parents' plan, but her brother dropped his phone in a lake.  Sweetie, get off your parents' cell phone plan.

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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2020, 03:06:14 PM »
Federal student loan repayment begins when you graduate, quit, or drop below half time units.  Some loans have a 6 month grace period.  You and your son should be notified when the first payment is due.  To answer your question, he has to be enrolled in at least half time units to avoid going into repayment.

This. All US Government backed loans have a six month grace period AFAIK, and "half time" is defined by your school last time I checked. Where I went to school 12 credits was full time and 8 credits was half time.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2020, 03:22:10 PM »
Thanks everyone for your replies it got me to at least find where to go and who to talk to.

So I was able to find his FAFSA website , see his balance and then when he got home had him contact his Loan Server. End of day they showed the same balance that was in the system and those that said 6 months grace period were correct. It begins the day after the starting date of the next semester when the school informs the loan provider he is not in school. They calculated to pay off in 10 years his payment to be just over 200$ a month but at anytime he can make the payment smaller for longer and vice versa. The only other thing was its assumed the loan payment that was pushed off till January 1st 2021 is going to be pushed out longer but he wants to get it behind him he said.

He also is buying the car from me payments starting February 1st, paying his own insurance and cell phone. So will see in 6 months to a year if it works out for him or if it motivates him to go back to school and finish. In any case alot was resolved today and I thank you. I learned alot

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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2020, 03:31:24 PM »
  I say let him work, and then return to pursuing college when he is ready.  Things didn't work out to a satisfying ending, with either the sport or the degree, so he needs time and a new goal to work towards.

 You say he has $100K into this degree so far,  does that total include his dorm room / house expenses, meal plan, clothes, party money, etc - when he was away  ?    It wasn't just for tuition, books, and class fees, at the scools he attended, was it ?    Either way, you had laid out, once he had spent thru the $60K 529plan, he was responsible. It was your decision to pay any costs you've borne since he came home. So you need another " EndPoint" to agree on- or dictate- so this  past 9 months doesn't increase into 2 years.

 I'd say he doesn't really {personally} have any money $$ into the adventure + education of the past few years, so far....
Someone provided $60K from a 529 style plan.  Then you added another $20K because of swapping schools due to the injury.  And he has $20K in loans which he is responsible for [ by himself or co-signed ?] - of which he hasn't repaid anything yet...   so his monetary [ not physical or mental ]  investment into this "life adventure" seems minimal so far.

  Maybe set a ' generous' value on the Kia , perhaps a couple thousand below retail , or even private party value.  And offer the car to him for that price. Take reasonable payments [ $200-300/mo seems fair] . But let him pay for his own insurance needs, on his own insurance policy. He'll tend to be a more resonsible driver this way also.   If the Kia isn't "cool enough/ good enough/ cheap enough " , let him find his own ride thru Craigslist, again while paying his own insurance - meaning his own seperate policy + policy #, in his name.

 $1800 / mo minus food, utilities, insurance and car payment , should be possible to pay rent if he lived in an apartment / small house and had a 50%-50% roomate. Maybe one of the guys from the gym ? .  Plus 32 hrs a week can be supplemented somehow.
 
 


100k includes everything not the car. 80/20k

I Sold him the car for 8700$ its a Kia Soul with 40k miles on it 2015. Hes giving me 700$ down and paying me 167$ a month for 4 years. He doesn't put a lot of miles on and does take good care of it. He also is paying me 90$ a month for Insurance, 50$ a month for his Cell Phone and 200$ for food. Since he is taking ownership in all the other things I didn't want to beat him up more on the rent/Food for a few months but he was very pleased and thanked me and agreed to raising things if need be in a few months. Like I said hes a good kid the sport thing just sent him into a tizzy but he reiterated again he has no regrets other than he just wished he would of stayed with the schooling part of it. Also where he works now he works with pharmaceuticals and now with going real full time is going to go in and ask for complete benefits and more $ or he is going to look elsewhere because per him he is depended on for a lot of things and has been there for a year and a half or so. And I am aware of alot of what he told me is true.
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2020, 03:52:45 PM »
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For example, neither of them will move out and still be on our cell phone plan.  I don't care if it would save them a few dollars.  I see staying on cell phone plans as a larger problem of parents providing economic outpatient care to adult children.  My dad kept my sister (and her husband) on his plan until she was 43 years old because she whined and pleaded, and of course that wasn't he only way he helped.

Wow.  I am so old that cell phones weren't a thing when I was a kid.  I got my first cell phone after I had my first child.  So I was, maybe, 36?  37?

In any event, several years ago, I worked with a bright young engineer who was around 24-25.  She was very proud of her degree and her job and being an adult.  But one day...she complained that her brother "stole" her upgrade.  Why, what do you mean? 

Well, she was in line to get the next phone upgrade on her parents' plan, but her brother dropped his phone in a lake.  Sweetie, get off your parents' cell phone plan.


When we got our plan it was part of Xmas last year and the two in college now without any doubt that next December they have to be off our plan 100%. My DD has been paying since day 1 her 50$ So its been a non issue.

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2020, 03:53:10 PM »
I am not sure how much this helps now, but when I was the same age as your son I played soccer for the University and also waffled about whether or not I wanted to be there. My parents made me a deal. If I chose to live at home while NOT attending school - I had to pay for room and board. They did not discount it - it was market rate, and if I did not like it I was free to move out. The DEAL part of this was that if I changed my mind and returned to school within a year - they would return the money to me to use for tuition. I did end up going back to school but needed that year out to really solidify why I wanted to be there. So they gifted me one extra year of support, but with a very clear line in the sand. Looking back, it was exactly what I needed at the time and I intend to do something similar with my own kids if the situation should ever arise.

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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2020, 05:02:52 PM »
I am not sure how much this helps now, but when I was the same age as your son I played soccer for the University and also waffled about whether or not I wanted to be there. My parents made me a deal. If I chose to live at home while NOT attending school - I had to pay for room and board. They did not discount it - it was market rate, and if I did not like it I was free to move out. The DEAL part of this was that if I changed my mind and returned to school within a year - they would return the money to me to use for tuition. I did end up going back to school but needed that year out to really solidify why I wanted to be there. So they gifted me one extra year of support, but with a very clear line in the sand. Looking back, it was exactly what I needed at the time and I intend to do something similar with my own kids if the situation should ever arise.


That sounds like a good deal or thought on there part. I think this will work because in 3 months I plan on upping the ante' more. The one thing that really makes it different is the whole Covid-19 thing. He was doing really good until the on-line thing so hopefully some hard work and a little time away he will finish. If not at least he is starting to take on his own course plus he does have some money saved. Will see

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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2020, 05:40:52 PM »
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For example, neither of them will move out and still be on our cell phone plan.  I don't care if it would save them a few dollars.  I see staying on cell phone plans as a larger problem of parents providing economic outpatient care to adult children.  My dad kept my sister (and her husband) on his plan until she was 43 years old because she whined and pleaded, and of course that wasn't he only way he helped.

Wow.  I am so old that cell phones weren't a thing when I was a kid.  I got my first cell phone after I had my first child.  So I was, maybe, 36?  37?

In any event, several years ago, I worked with a bright young engineer who was around 24-25.  She was very proud of her degree and her job and being an adult.  But one day...she complained that her brother "stole" her upgrade.  Why, what do you mean? 

Well, she was in line to get the next phone upgrade on her parents' plan, but her brother dropped his phone in a lake.  Sweetie, get off your parents' cell phone plan.

I got my first cell phone when I was 24.  I was commuting a long distance and had to go through some sparsely populated areas with long distances between exits.  I paid $30 (+ taxes and fees) per month and got 30 minutes.  Period.  Nights and weekends wasn't a thing.

My parents put my sister on their cell phone plan when she was already an adult, because she told them they would save money by having a joint plan.  Except she never paid her portion, and this went on for 15+ years.  She even had a couple of iPads on the plan.  My dad paid the bill, but my sister had the password for online access.  She finally ticked him off in 2016 and since he was removing his deceased second wife's phone he called and got my sister, her DH, and her iPads off too.  He paid cancellation fees but it was worth it to break free.  She had a pretty major fit about it when he told her she had 3 days to get her own plan.
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Re: Need advice /help to help my college kid!
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2020, 10:41:11 PM »
Maybe take a look at enlisting in the service (Army/Navt etc), lots of benefits, he can get money for college etc. Also will get some credit towards rank for the college he has completed. Being highly competent physically is a big plus for him, maxing out physical events is really looked at favorably.  If he is careful on what job he picks going in he can end up with a decent career post service.

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Re: Need advice /help to help my college kid!
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2020, 03:19:48 AM »
Maybe take a look at enlisting in the service (Army/Navt etc), lots of benefits, he can get money for college etc. Also will get some credit towards rank for the college he has completed. Being highly competent physically is a big plus for him, maxing out physical events is really looked at favorably.  If he is careful on what job he picks going in he can end up with a decent career post service.

We thought of that but he is 6'9 and with his injury it might be tough. He still has issues to some degree with it. Plus I was in the military and I am not sure its for him. But you could be right I will bring it up again but He actually has a really good gig in Pharmaceuticals where he is at he just needs to be a little more driven in moving forward. As I mentioned I know he is very well liked as an employee and they go to him to get stuff done. But as good as he is at getting things out of us he needs to do that in the real world.

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Re: Need advice /help to help my college kid!
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2020, 07:03:01 AM »
He will find that drive, if sufficiently motivated by need. Start gradually, steadily,  and firmly cutting off his financial support.  Over the course of 6 months seems like a fair timeline.

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Re: Need advice /help to help my college kid!
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2020, 07:38:19 AM »
Check out the blog No More Harvard Debt.   Fellow had $95,000 in student loans and had been working for a few years.   He decided to pay it all off in one year, despite having a $65,000 salary.       He did it to.

If your son really wants this debt gone, and he's got a decent paying job, he can make it disappear in a few years.   He'll have to make that his #1 priority.

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Re: Need advice /help to help my college kid!
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2020, 08:44:46 AM »
Sounds like your son is going through an identity/career crisis that is extremely common for a college age kid.  And I've got to think most D1 athletes have an identity crisis upon graduation anyway. 

I really think this has only become a big deal in the last 25 years, as when I originally went to my flagship state school costs were just nowhere near where they are now.  Imagine if all school was priced like community college (probably a good comparison inflation adjusted-wise to what I paid for my state school back then), you could try a path, decide its not for you and try another major, then decide to drop out and try a different path, decide to come back at another time and try something else now that you've figured out a few things and interests, etc.  And frankly I don;t see anything wrong with that, it seems a lot more natural and wiser than picking a career at 18 and then feeling stuck with that for the rest of your life (and maybe why so many people on this site are just gritting their teeth to get to FIRE).

I think its important to not focus that you are in for this for $80k, as that money is spent.  Another year is probably gonna just be a lot more waste in his mental place.  College credits are generally accepted for quite some time by most schools (sometimes science fields and the like limit it more), so those credits are bought and paid for and may come in handy some day. 

The $20k in loans your son has should not be much of a consideration either.  Payments will likely be around $200/mth, not an amount of money that should be making decisions for anyone.  A young single guy has plenty of time on their hands to pick up the extra 20 hours/month in OT or a side job to pay on that.

Be positive and supportive, but yeah, if he's not making your household better by being there do both of you a favor and kick him out (you may need to kick him out to save your relationship, you want to appreciate when you do see him and vice versa).  Let him know there's always a meal and a couch with you if and when things go horribly wrong in his life, but this is not it, this is normal life with a job he has right now and some debt that he's going thru, which just makes him like almost everyone else.  On his own he'll learn a lot and probably a whole lot faster.




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Re: Need advice /help to help my college kid!
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2020, 04:33:11 AM »
Check out the blog No More Harvard Debt.   Fellow had $95,000 in student loans and had been working for a few years.   He decided to pay it all off in one year, despite having a $65,000 salary.       He did it to.

If your son really wants this debt gone, and he's got a decent paying job, he can make it disappear in a few years.   He'll have to make that his #1 priority.
Sounds like your son is going through an identity/career crisis that is extremely common for a college age kid.  And I've got to think most D1 athletes have an identity crisis upon graduation anyway. 

I really think this has only become a big deal in the last 25 years, as when I originally went to my flagship state school costs were just nowhere near where they are now.  Imagine if all school was priced like community college (probably a good comparison inflation adjusted-wise to what I paid for my state school back then), you could try a path, decide its not for you and try another major, then decide to drop out and try a different path, decide to come back at another time and try something else now that you've figured out a few things and interests, etc.  And frankly I don;t see anything wrong with that, it seems a lot more natural and wiser than picking a career at 18 and then feeling stuck with that for the rest of your life (and maybe why so many people on this site are just gritting their teeth to get to FIRE).

I think its important to not focus that you are in for this for $80k, as that money is spent.  Another year is probably gonna just be a lot more waste in his mental place.  College credits are generally accepted for quite some time by most schools (sometimes science fields and the like limit it more), so those credits are bought and paid for and may come in handy some day. 

The $20k in loans your son has should not be much of a consideration either.  Payments will likely be around $200/mth, not an amount of money that should be making decisions for anyone.  A young single guy has plenty of time on their hands to pick up the extra 20 hours/month in OT or a side job to pay on that.

Be positive and supportive, but yeah, if he's not making your household better by being there do both of you a favor and kick him out (you may need to kick him out to save your relationship, you want to appreciate when you do see him and vice versa).  Let him know there's always a meal and a couch with you if and when things go horribly wrong in his life, but this is not it, this is normal life with a job he has right now and some debt that he's going thru, which just makes him like almost everyone else.  On his own he'll learn a lot and probably a whole lot faster.




He will find that drive, if sufficiently motivated by need. Start gradually, steadily,  and firmly cutting off his financial support.  Over the course of 6 months seems like a fair timeline.


I think he is comfortable with the 10 year plan knowing he can pay more when he wants. I also think there was a big relief when I told him we needed to talk and then when he got home and we sat down for an hour and a half I think he felt relieved that I understood as long as he keeps moving forward in life starting with some goals the first being talking to the people where he works and if that doesn't work out to get out applications every week. I wrote up his contract yesterday and he actually seems to be happy about the fact the ball is in his court. I dont mind having him around other than just pulling his share and giving the right message to the two other still at home and he agreed. We never have real confrontation and no matter what when he leaves for work if hes upset or not he is one that always say see you later. Personally I think the right girl would really motivate him ! haha. But for sure it was partly a identity crisis because now a days even before college if you want to play a sport in D1 its pretty hard if you dont chose it to be your sport, play club and play year round. Thats the part that sucks to me because he is the type of Athlete with his size that could of excelled in multiple sports. But anyhow we will see but I think he is at least good for now and probably at least relieved he made a decision for next semester and summer