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General Discussion => Welcome and General Discussion => Topic started by: PantsOnFire on March 06, 2014, 08:15:05 AM
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The IQ thread got me thinking that there are probably some predominant Myers-Briggs types here in the MMM community.
If you've ever been tested and know your result, please vote. If not, please don't guess... it's very easy for people to feel that they identify with a certain description, but that doesn't make it so. You should go through the formal test before drawing conclusions (many people are at least slightly surprised!)
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There is another thread about this on the forums, but it didn't have a poll. IIRC, most of the responses were INTJ.
I will say, I had for years gotten one particular result using free online Meyers-Briggs type tests, however when I took the official branded Meyers-Briggs test, I was strong result that differed type for one letter. So use caution if posting your type based on the results of a free online tests-- your results may vary from the official test, which you unfortunately need to pay for.
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PantsOnFire - What really crazy is I almost made this same post! Curious to see if other people are awesome ENTJ's like myself :D And edited to reflect my result if official (officially awesome) my company paid for the test.
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Is there a reputable place to take this test online?
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So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.
ewwwww feelings!!!! I hate those, they make everything so messy. I worked with an INFP once and I swear if I looked at her wrong she cried. Married to and INTJ and we are basically devoid of emotion...not entirely sure if its a good thing or not.
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I agree that the online tests are not the same as the official test, which I believe has to be administered or at least reviewed by a professional. From conversations I've had with others, I think the test is often part of a course or seminar that includes education on all 16 personality types, with one-on-one discussion of your particular type and the opportunities and challenges that often come with it.
Some schools and corporations provide the seminars and testing for their students/employees free of charge. I was tested when I was an intern with my current employer. If I recall correctly (this was like 12 years ago) it was part of a multi-day seminar that also included Franklin-Covey time management/organization material. Maybe it was all the Kool-Aid I drank, but I really do think the MBTI and Franklin-Covey stuff helped me get my career off to a good start and understand how to at least "fit in" in such a humongous bureaucracy.
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So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.
Hah! My husband is an INFJ and such a delicate, fragile little flower about some things. It's been good for me though, and I'd pick my little flower again 10/10 times. Having such a sensitive and emotional partner has taught me a bit about how to interact with others without ALWAYS being so damned cold and logical.
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High school through grad school I've probably taken the MBTI about a dozen times. Seeing all the INTJ's isn't too surprising this is a financial blog that appels to INTJ priorities - its analytical, makes it's appeal through logic rather than emotion, encourages people to fiddle with individual details, and make detailed plans.
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At this point, the killjoy jumps in and says...
the Myers-Briggs, despite being wildly popular for reasons that personality psychologists cannot fathom, is neither a valid nor a reliable (your scores will change depending on when you take it) predictor of anything. It was created by a bored housewife based on a now largely discredited field of psychology (Jungian). The publishers of the Myers-Briggs are laughing all the way to the bank, which is possibly why they've never made the time to publish any validity studies in respectable peer reviewed journals. Although, the descriptors are vague enough to roughly fit about anyone's personality, making it appear valid to people on the face of it. So, if it's fun to chat about, then enjoy. But, don't take it seriously.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.
If he has tons of feelings, he's probably an "F" not a "T". The P/J difference between the two of you has nothing to do with feelings.
"Decisions: When making decisions, do you prefer to first look at logic and consistency or first look at the people and special circumstances? This is called Thinking (T) or Feeling (F). "
"In dealing with the outside world, do you prefer to get things decided or do you prefer to stay open to new information and options? This is called Judging (J) or Perceiving (P)."
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/
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Is there a reputable place to take this test online?
http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test (http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test)
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Is there a reputable place to take this test online?
http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test (http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test)
THHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! (sorry, boring day at work and feeling punchy)
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What is the point of this thread? How is bragging about your MBTI mustachian in any way? The test is completely useless as an indicator of personality anyways, especially some online test. Moreover, you need "don't know" and "don't care" options.
Did I miss anything? :-)
"Anyone seeking more info might also check here:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/continue-the-blog-conversation/the-principle-of-constant-optimization-what's-your-myers-briggs/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/are-you-an-intj/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/calling-out-intj's-enxp's-(and-other-known-personalities)/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/any-infp's-here/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/27-problems-only-introverts-will-understand/
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And my test shows INTJ- but it does seem like the questions are vague. Like "Do you feel anxiety in a stressful situation"- I mean, it depends on the kind of stress. Finishing work just under a deadline- no anxiety at all. Having to confront an employee about their sub-par performance- YES.
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What is the point of this thread? How is bragging about your MBTI mustachian in any way? The test is completely useless as an indicator of personality anyways, especially some online test. Moreover, you need "don't know" and "don't care" options.
Did I miss anything? :-)
"Anyone seeking more info might also check here:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/continue-the-blog-conversation/the-principle-of-constant-optimization-what's-your-myers-briggs/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/are-you-an-intj/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/calling-out-intj's-enxp's-(and-other-known-personalities)/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/any-infp's-here/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/off-topic/27-problems-only-introverts-will-understand/
Hahahahahaha. +1
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BTW I voted INTJ because that's that I usually am. But I've gone through periods where I've been more like XNTX. I'm definitely NT though. Plus, I want to fit in w/ the cool kids here.
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you need "don't know" and "don't care" options.
Why would you need those options? Are you physically incapable of just moving on?
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you need "don't know" and "don't care" options.
Why would you need those options? Are you physically incapable of just moving on?
This seems to be a popular post on the forum of late. Don't read the threads you don't like, people. I don't run over to the carpentry and day trading threads whining that they don't interest me.
I have OCD and must click on every link three times, in order. If I accidentally click the wrong link, I have to start over. All these extra threads are real hell on my carpal tunnel.
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ISFP for me. I highly recommend anyone to learn about this test if they haven't already. It's a great thing.
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LOL. Here's a mantra that might help:
"The truest expression of not caring is complete lack of participation."
Maybe we can implement a forum tool that subtracts from your post count whenever you click "I don't care" in a poll... Would that help? It'd be like one of those shock collars that keeps your dog from barking. :-)
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haha, oh I am not surprised in the least that this forum skews INTJ/ENTJ/INTP
Especially the INTJ - you folks so, so opposite to me (ENFP). I'm always amused by the attention to detail most posters exhibit here.
While obviously I think we're all more complicated than our Myers-Brigg type, the test is a good indicator of how one perceives and interacts with the world at large.
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While I haven't taken an "official" test, I did do the lengthy online one that was posted and came up as INFJ. After reading the description, it sounds about right.
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I'm surprised at the results of the poll. When this test was administered to me by a psychiatrist a decade or so ago, he told me INTJ was the least common of the distinct personality types, especially in females.
I have misgivngs about the reliability of online tests, but I've taken the free Myers-Briggs a few times in the past and found I score a consistent and strong INTJ.
Or maybe there is something about the Mustachian mindset that attracts INTJs like bee to honey?
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Is it just me, or do the results sort of look like a middle finger extended?
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ISFP for me. I highly recommend anyone to learn about this test if they haven't already. It's a great thing.
Hi Cwadda - My daughter is an ISFP too. Have you chosen your work/studies based partly on your type? I am encouraging my daughter towards psychotherapy but doing health aide work as a money earner while she studies, and basing this partly on her ISFP status.
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Oh wow, I finally read the INTJ description and it is indeed dead on. I always just assumed I was a robot or something.
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So many INTJ's
http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/mastermind.asp
An alternative that has evolved from Myer Brigg is Keirsey, he uses the same 4 letter coding, I can't believe how many "masterminds" are around here. I would hate you guys if I met you in real life.
I"m an "idealist champion" (ENFP) http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/champion.asp and this describes me dead on. Very interesting.
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So many INTJ's
http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/mastermind.asp
An alternative that has evolved from Myer Brigg is Keirsey, he uses the same 4 letter coding, I can't believe how many "masterminds" are around here. I would hate you guys if I met you in real life.
I"m an "idealist champion" (ENFP) http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/champion.asp and this describes me dead on. Very interesting.
And we would meet that hatred with vague indifference. ;)
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(your scores will change depending on when you take it)
This may be true for some people, but over the past ten years, I've taken an online test at least three times, and have gotten a result of INTJ every time.
INTJs do seem to be disproportionately represented on internet message boards related to early retirement. :P
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ISFP for me. I highly recommend anyone to learn about this test if they haven't already. It's a great thing.
Hi Cwadda - My daughter is an ISFP too. Have you chosen your work/studies based partly on your type? I am encouraging my daughter towards psychotherapy but doing health aide work as a money earner while she studies, and basing this partly on her ISFP status.
I'm currently working as a music director because I have a strong inclination to it as a hobby/passion. Music is my passion but applying this to a job, it gets really tough. The only strong option I saw was music education, and education doesn't fit my personality. In college I was doing Pharmacy, but decided it wasn't for me. Now I'm thinking of doing something in the Environmental Science or health field, leaning towards Environment Science though since I already have an internship and am on pace for graduating early with that degree. I've pretty much decided I'm not interested in going to grad school anytime soon - that eliminates a good deal of health care options, but I don't mind. I personally feel best working independently and working with people who have similar work ethics to myself. Feel free to message me if you want more details!
Any other ISFP's in here?
Also, I find it so fascinating predicting/assigning MB traits for people I know well (family members and close friends).
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Split INTP/INTJ
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Any other ISFP's in here?
Also, I find it so fascinating predicting/assigning MB traits for people I know well (family members and close friends).
My significant other is an ISFP.
Fortunately, my INTJ-ness is pretty "light" and I can see or be other elements decently easily when needed. I think most "fully INTJ" folks would have a hell of a time in a relationship with an ISFP. I definitely feel like a poser INTJ when it comes to threads like this...
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Last week I discovered an alternative to the typical MBTI inventory.
Spend a week with five 21-year-old college students on spring break in Hawaii. By the end of the week you'll have no doubt whether you're an introvert or an extrovert-- and you won't even have to know the meanings of the words.
The only reason I even left the house this weekend was to procure food and library books, and not necessarily in that order.
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This may be true for some people, but over the past ten years, I've taken an online test at least three times, and have gotten a result of INTJ every time.
It would be more accurate to say that the MBTI does a poor job measuring certain kinds of people. Studies show a fairly large majority of people do shift from day to day or year to year, hence why the test is discredited as a scientific method of grouping people. However, it does seem to consistently measure a few personality types, who in turn embrace it, INTJ being one of those (this last sentence is just my impression, I have no idea about the evidence).
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The most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, INTP.
http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html (http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html).
I am ISTJ.
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I'm not on your list of choices: xNTJ.
True "x" - I can walk into a room and comfortably strike up a conversation with a stranger and I'm perfectly happy spending long periods of time alone. Been tested enough times and I straddle the I/X line.
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Is there a reputable place to take this test online?
http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test (http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test)
Thanks for the great link.
I must say it is indeed a bit creepy to read about my personality type, how do they know all that based on moving a few sliders!
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INFP
You might like this site http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/survival_quiz (http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/survival_quiz)
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Had the test twice both times administered by a professional. INTJ. No wonder I feel so comfortable here.
Question: Several times I have been in situations where people who have had the test and told they were F's rather than T's have become very upset about it. Is this just because I worked with mostly males and males don't like to be told they are F's, or because I am in the sciences and scientists don't like to be told they are F's or what. All the tantrums that I recall where thrown by male scientists or mathematicians so I can't differentiate that way.
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ISTJ-A for me. Definitely on the line with E/I though.
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Had the test twice both times administered by a professional. INTJ. No wonder I feel so comfortable here.
Question: Several times I have been in situations where people who have had the test and told they were F's rather than T's have become very upset about it. Is this just because I worked with mostly males and males don't like to be told they are F's, or because I am in the sciences and scientists don't like to be told they are F's or what. All the tantrums that I recall where thrown by male scientists or mathematicians so I can't differentiate that way.
Wow, rereading this I think I may have suggested that mathematicians are sexless. Sorry mathematicians, should have specified that the mathematician was also male and only a single sample.
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Infj here.
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INTJ here. Wow, lots of us here!
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I'm not on your list of choices: xNTJ.
True "x" - I can walk into a room and comfortably strike up a conversation with a stranger and I'm perfectly happy spending long periods of time alone. Been tested enough times and I straddle the I/X line.
I'm the same way, but xNTP. Always test E but I know there is a huge amount of I in there, too. I can chat anybody up and I do truly enjoy being with people (who are not assholes) ... But I also love being alone with my thoughts and after a certain amount of time with people around, I start to get drained and/or bitchy. It's better for everyone if I get plenty of unstructured alone time. :)
For years I tested as F instead of T, but I think that was largely due to being a woman. We are so thoroughly conditioned to be feeling that I just became fluent with my feelings by default, but fundamentally I think I really am a T, and as I get older that expresses itself more strongly.
(In fact, I believe that I was able to gain whatever emotional/social fluency I have through the power of T. As a child I think I may have been mildly on the autism spectrum, but about age 18 I decided to apply my brain to learning how to act with people by observing them. Pure T...)
Honestly I feel like I'm pretty close to the line on all of the axes -- lots of times when I take the tests have a hard time choosing answers because I could easily choose either depending on the context. So I'm not sure how accurate any of t is, but like the horoscope, it's kind of fun to think about.
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So many INTJ's
http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/mastermind.asp
An alternative that has evolved from Myer Brigg is Keirsey, he uses the same 4 letter coding, I can't believe how many "masterminds" are around here. I would hate you guys if I met you in real life.
I"m an "idealist champion" (ENFP) http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/champion.asp and this describes me dead on. Very interesting.
And we would meet that hatred with vague indifference. ;)
LOL. Snort. Yep, so true ;) INTP from memory, but that was last 15 years ago, so coulda been INTJ
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INTJ like mox of you. Soon to be married to someone I suspect is an ESFP. Oh that fireball of emotion.
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What if you're an ambivert?
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Had the test twice both times administered by a professional. INTJ. No wonder I feel so comfortable here.
Question: Several times I have been in situations where people who have had the test and told they were F's rather than T's have become very upset about it. Is this just because I worked with mostly males and males don't like to be told they are F's, or because I am in the sciences and scientists don't like to be told they are F's or what. All the tantrums that I recall where thrown by male scientists or mathematicians so I can't differentiate that way.
LOL! Typical F!
I am ISTJ, and as a woman, I feel that I have a lot of traits typically attributed to men. I am also surrounded in my life by INFPs. Everyone in my immediate family, my husband, one of my best friends (although I think she has evolved into a T). I realized recently that since my husband is F, and I'm T, he can get extremely frustrated when I am being logical and disagreeing with him. He huffs and puffs and walks away from me and I have to realize that I need to be more sensitive and not just fling facts at him.
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Aha, so it's a Feeler thing. Makes sense that I wouldn't recognize that surrounded by Thinkers as I am.
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Had the test twice both times administered by a professional. INTJ. No wonder I feel so comfortable here.
Question: Several times I have been in situations where people who have had the test and told they were F's rather than T's have become very upset about it. Is this just because I worked with mostly males and males don't like to be told they are F's, or because I am in the sciences and scientists don't like to be told they are F's or what. All the tantrums that I recall where thrown by male scientists or mathematicians so I can't differentiate that way.
LOL! Typical F!
I am ISTJ, and as a woman, I feel that I have a lot of traits typically attributed to men. I am also surrounded in my life by INFPs. Everyone in my immediate family, my husband, one of my best friends (although I think she has evolved into a T). I realized recently that since my husband is F, and I'm T, he can get extremely frustrated when I am being logical and disagreeing with him. He huffs and puffs and walks away from me and I have to realize that I need to be more sensitive and not just fling facts at him.
Another ISTJ! Huzzah!
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INTJ. Have been forever…first took the Myers-Briggs test in Grade 8. Took it again in my thirties, slightly less introverted, but other that that nothing else changed in 20+ years:)
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INTP, although I have also come out as INTJ when I took it in the past.
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Years ago, I took a class at work for new managers; there were maybe 50 people in the class. One of the activities was to have people with similar Myers-Briggs types congregate in different sections of the room - SPs, SJs, NFs, and NTs in each corner - in order to do a group exercise. I stood all alone in my NT corner, with flashbacks to elementary school (and middle school, and high school...). They had to send one of the (relatively few) NFs over so that we could do the exercise. I don't remember much about the exercise, except at one point thinking of my ersatz MBT compatriot, "Wow, we sure look at the world differently."
I've always wondered where my fellow INTJs were; now I know. They're hanging out on the MMM forum!
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INTx, my P/J preference is extremely weak.
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Has anyone taken a DISC analysis, enneagram or Strength Finders? I find if you are able to combine multiple test data you can get a much better understanding of your personality.
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[moved from less pertinent thread]
Huh. So far I'm the only ESFJ on the poll above. My N/S are almost even, but since I started working as an editor, my S has been pulled out due to all the detail work.
I'm married to a pure ENTJ, and I'm mom to an IN_J - her T and F are still forming, but I think she leans F. Why does it help to know these things? Because I had to have someone explain what introverts are, and what they need, and why they act like they do. Having the MB types gives us language to use and a framework to understand our daughter, especially in recognizing that we have similarities in personality as well as differences. We emphasize the J we all share and accommodate the difference between our E and her I.
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ENTP, all the way. Describes me to a T.
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INTP, although I have also come out as INTJ when I took it in the past.
That's funny. I went the opposite way! I used to be INTP, but now I'm getting a strong J in INTJ. I've heard people say that the last letter is the one that changes the most throughout your life.
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INTx, my P/J preference is extremely weak.
I'm the same way. I'm officially INTP, although they had to ask more questions to determine whether I was P or J.
I'm always on time, but never organized :)
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INTx, my P/J preference is extremely weak.
Same here. I've tested out both INTJ and INTP, apparently landing right on the border.
It's fascinating that a group that is estimated to only account for 2-4% of the population as a whole makes up a majority of the people on this board. I wonder what characteristic it is exactly in the INTx bucket that draws people. In my case I'd say there was more that a whiff of OCD mixed in, manifested by an obsession with tracking net worth, spending etc.
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I wonder what characteristic it is exactly in the INTx bucket that draws people. In my case I'd say there was more that a whiff of OCD mixed in, manifested by an obsession with tracking net worth, spending etc.
From my perspective INTJ personality type is a ruthless and relentless optimizing personality.
Finances are a very tangible thing to optimize.
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For anyone wondering exactly what you are, or if you've tested for multiple types, look at this: http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html
Read what you think you are, and if it's inaccurate, try a different one. It should be pretty much spot on.
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Really? I am INTJ and I would not describe myself like that. I have mostly operated on the principle " the perfect is the enemy of the good". Maybe I need to go to http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html (http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html) as posted by Cwadda and find my "true" self.
From my perspective INTJ personality type is a ruthless and relentless optimizing personality.
ETA - went and looked, I am a mix of INTJ and INTP, but when I do tests the J comes out ahead a bit.
I suppose the Serenity prayer is particularly appropriate for our groups.
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I'm an ISFP with a well-developed J side. It's spot on :D
Keep in mind that just because you're a P doesn't mean you can't do J things (long-term financial planning, for instance).
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(your scores will change depending on when you take it)
This may be true for some people, but over the past ten years, I've taken an online test at least three times, and have gotten a result of INTJ every time.
INTJs do seem to be disproportionately represented on internet message boards related to early retirement. :P
I had a company administered test in my late 20s, I've taken at least 4 different online test over the last 20 years. I always come out INTJ. Some of the time I'm more borderline between I/E.
I've also seen this poll being run on now four different early retirement/financial planning forums going back to 2000, and every case INTJ was the dominant personality type. I have also seen the poll run on several forum that had nothing to do with retirement, and while Introverts were fairly common, in no case were there lot of INTJs.
So for people who dismiss this as psuedo science, how much more data do I need to collect?
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+1
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I used to be an INTJ all through high school and college until Junior year, when I became ENTJ. I just took two of these tests because I was so surprised by the result, and now apparently I'm an ENFP. After reading the descriptions of T and J versus F and P, I can't say I'm really surprised. I feel like I've changed a lot in the last year or two.
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Bumping this survey. Curious if this forum is still attracting an inordinate number of INTJ's or if the composition is shifting with increased popularity!
General MBTI discussion is here too: http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/continue-the-blog-conversation/the-principle-of-constant-optimization-what's-your-myers-briggs/
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Has anyone taken a DISC analysis, enneagram or Strength Finders? I find if you are able to combine multiple test data you can get a much better understanding of your personality.
I have done the DISC analysis as well. Our fitness instructor team did it a a group. Not shockingly the major of the group were I. There were 2 S and 2 C. I was the only D. It was pretty lonely in my quarter of the room when we divided up!
My MB type is INTJ. On the surface this seems to be a contradiction; however I am most definitely introverted, but I am also able to confidently teach and direct a room full of people in activities I am knowledgable and passionate about.
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At this point, the killjoy jumps in and says...
the Myers-Briggs, despite being wildly popular for reasons that personality psychologists cannot fathom, is neither a valid nor a reliable (your scores will change depending on when you take it) predictor of anything. It was created by a bored housewife based on a now largely discredited field of psychology (Jungian). The publishers of the Myers-Briggs are laughing all the way to the bank, which is possibly why they've never made the time to publish any validity studies in respectable peer reviewed journals. Although, the descriptors are vague enough to roughly fit about anyone's personality, making it appear valid to people on the face of it. So, if it's fun to chat about, then enjoy. But, don't take it seriously.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
I hate to say it since I used to love taking the Myers-Briggs tests, but I agree with this analysis. I also think that some of the axes might be more valid than others. I've found the I-E axis really useful and I think it does correspond to something real in many people's personalities, but P-J and T-F? Maybe it's just me because I seem to always fall right smack in the middle of these axes, so I usually come up with something like INXX as a type (which really isn't that helpful).
But then one day, I realized that I'm not really middle of the road when it comes to (T)hinking and (F)eeling, I am both a strong thinker and a strong feeler. I feel very comfortable thinking and feeling and this shows up in my life. For my undergraduate I was in a double degree program in Computer Science and Vocal Performance (think opera singing) and was very good at each. I really enjoy analyzing things and making these works and yet I also understand both my emotional life and the lives of others.
Moreover, philosophical neurologists (like Antonio Damasio) have theorized that emotion is not the opposite of reason (in spite of centuries of philosophy that has organized itself in part around this opposition) but instead that our reasoning abilities depend on our emotional lives.
I also think there might be something wrong with the P-J axis. A couple of signs of being a J are being organized and good with deadlines -- being a finisher, vs. preferring things to be more open-ended. What can I say? I think I (and many other people) are very much both depending on the situation. For certain things I really like being orderly and getting things done on time or even early (like when I do my taxes). When I am writing a long, complex, emotionally-charged letter (email) to a friend, however, I prefer to take my time, put the letter aside, rework it, put it aside again, and then finally send it (or not) as I see fit.
I have mentioned these problems to people and have heard that I really need to have the test administered by a professional. Then, I think: "Ah, yes, I might have believed that in my 20s, but I have been around the block of few times ..."
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At this point, the killjoy jumps in and says...
the Myers-Briggs, despite being wildly popular for reasons that personality psychologists cannot fathom, is neither a valid nor a reliable (your scores will change depending on when you take it) predictor of anything. It was created by a bored housewife based on a now largely discredited field of psychology (Jungian). The publishers of the Myers-Briggs are laughing all the way to the bank, which is possibly why they've never made the time to publish any validity studies in respectable peer reviewed journals. Although, the descriptors are vague enough to roughly fit about anyone's personality, making it appear valid to people on the face of it. So, if it's fun to chat about, then enjoy. But, don't take it seriously.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
I took mine because my counselor requested it, and in a controlled testing environment. She didn't pretend that it predicted anything, she was trying to get a 'snapshot' of my personality. The Myers-Briggs is useful in relationship analysis, even if it is not a good predictor of the future.
For that matter, no personality test is a good predictor of future personalities. Otherwise we would all just be organic machines, doomed to react to stimuli based upon our chemical programming.
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Where are all the ENTJ's? Is there another forum I should attend to find like minded individuals?
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ENTP here, I have also gotten ENTJ results before. I usually just say "ENTP" because I am actually an inventor and thats usually the overall description of the type.
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So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.
ewwwww feelings!!!! I hate those, they make everything so messy. I worked with an INFP once and I swear if I looked at her wrong she cried. Married to and INTJ and we are basically devoid of emotion...not entirely sure if its a good thing or not.
This made me laugh so hard because I am INFP and I DO CRY if someone looks at me wrong! I am married to an INTJ and we confuse the heck out of each other but it works! I have enough feels for the both of us anyway.
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Has anyone taken a DISC analysis, enneagram or Strength Finders? I find if you are able to combine multiple test data you can get a much better understanding of your personality.
I have done the DISC analysis as well. Our fitness instructor team did it a a group. Not shockingly the major of the group were I. There were 2 S and 2 C. I was the only D. It was pretty lonely in my quarter of the room when we divided up!
My MB type is INTJ. On the surface this seems to be a contradiction; however I am most definitely introverted, but I am also able to confidently teach and direct a room full of people in activities I am knowledgable and passionate about.
I'm also INTJ and spent my whole life teaching. Sometimes the J is almost even with the F, but the others are consistent.
It's an indicator, it helps us understand ourselves and each other. So do other things - birth order can have an effect, for example, and some think that season of birth can also have an effect - if astrological signs have any use at all (not much, I am an atypical Leo) it would relate to season.
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Where are all the ENTJ's? Is there another forum I should attend to find like minded individuals?
I think most of the ENTJs must be commanding and controlling their money "in the real world", not posting here often. e.g., making it happen. Or, they don't like MBTI or answering surveys...
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Where are all the ENTJ's? Is there another forum I should attend to find like minded individuals?
I think most of the ENTJs must be commanding and controlling their money "in the real world", not posting here often. e.g., making it happen. Or, they don't like MBTI or answering surveys...
Ha! I'm a pretty strong ENTJ, I don't recall ever testing differently. I read the descriptor up thread a bit and it nails my personality pretty effectively, with one exception, I am able to empathise and understand other people's POV's. I dont think this is my "natural" state though. In my younger years, I was often frustrated people couldn't see it the right (ie my well researched) way. I've spent much time developing the ability to walk a mile in others shoes. Today I'm certainly more empathetic and understand why people see the same issues differently, but they are still wrong :)
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Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement. It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html
The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:
"Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"
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Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement. It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html
The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:
"Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"
It seems my fellow ENTJ's are under represented in early retirement. I wonder if this is a social phenomenon vs inherent to the personality type itself. ENTJ's tend to be thinkers just like the the three biggest categories of early retirees, however, our thinking function is outer world oriented. Since in modern western society early retirement in not something we regularly see around us, ENTJ's tend to have never thought about the concept. I used to work in finance and the idea of retiring in my 30's or 40's never even crossed my mind. However, once I became dissatisfied with the whole system of work/employment, was introduced to the concept of FIRE, and learned from others working toward this goal, it has become the only logical path.
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Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement. It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html
The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:
"Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"
It seems my fellow ENTJ's are under represented in early retirement. I wonder if this is a social phenomenon vs inherent to the personality type itself. ENTJ's tend to be thinkers just like the the three biggest categories of early retirees, however, our thinking function is outer world oriented. Since in modern western society early retirement in not something we regularly see around us, ENTJ's tend to have never thought about the concept. I used to work in finance and the idea of retiring in my 30's or 40's never even crossed my mind. However, once I became dissatisfied with the whole system of work/employment, was introduced to the concept of FIRE, and learned from others working toward this goal, it has become the only logical path.
My two thoughts as an INTJ? ENTJ tend to be a bit more power-seeking than INTJs and probably as a result would rather build a very successful career. Influence matters more to them than INTJ and they have the ability to get it.
/shameless generalizations
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My two thoughts as an INTJ? ENTJ tend to be a bit more power-seeking than INTJs and probably as a result would rather build a very successful career. Influence matters more to them than INTJ and they have the ability to get it.
/shameless generalizations
Wait... you mean I won't be handed keys to the kingdom AND receive accolades from all of my peers once FI is reached?!?!
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Has anyone taken a DISC analysis, enneagram or Strength Finders? I find if you are able to combine multiple test data you can get a much better understanding of your personality.
Yes, I have found the enneagram to actually be one of the more useful personality classifications in that it (at least for me) is more predictive of how I will behave and more actionable. I found the predictive paths of integration and dis-integration to be spooky in the way they describe and predict my behavior. The best book I've read on the topic is Wisdom of the Enneagram by Riso and Hudson.
None of these personality systems have lots of peer reviewed scientific evidence behind them (that I know of), but if used properly as a tool for insight into ourselves (rather than to justify all of our pathological behavior) I think they can be quite useful.
Never looked at strength finders, but I've heard of it. Is there a resource you recommend for checking it out?
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So very, very INTJ. I'm married to an INTP. He has so many feelings.
ewwwww feelings!!!! I hate those, they make everything so messy. I worked with an INFP once and I swear if I looked at her wrong she cried. Married to and INTJ and we are basically devoid of emotion...not entirely sure if its a good thing or not.
I'm an INFP. Although I don't think a typical one. I hate crying! I think she was just overly sensitive. Strangely, my husband is an INTJ and he introduced me to this blog and apparently they are well represented here. HA HA.
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I test out as an ISxJ when I do these things. I think like a "T" but I don't like confrontation so I get "F" sometimes too.
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Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement. It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html
The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:
"Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"
Interesting, MMM forum is trending a tad differently at 1) INTJ 2) INTP 3) INFJ
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Never took the test.
Just stay away from me, don't talk to me.
Where's my hammer?
I took graphs of my BP into my doc last time.
I swear I'm not obsessed with my health.
I just think he needs good info to change my meds.
My BP meds! :-)
OK, I have taken the test, but so long ago, I don't have a clue
about the results.
Where's my hammer?
Sometimes I question my short term memory.
However, I do remember things that matter to me.
:-]
Edit to add,
OK, trying to be a little bit funny above, maybe it didn't work :-)
I just took this test.
http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
ISTP-T I don't know what the added T is.
https://www.16personalities.com/istp-personality
Kind of interesting, " Often mechanics and engineers, ISTPs find no greater joy than in getting their hands dirty pulling things apart and putting them back together, just a little bit better than they were before."
My hobby is electronics, yep, I like to take things apart and repair them. As I''ve gotten old, I've lost a bit of interest in getting my hands dirty as in working on the car, but when I do, I feel good about the repair achieved, or the troubleshooting that was correct. I also like small construction projects, wood , metal, plastic or PCBs.
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Awhile back this webpage did an informal study of MBTI and early retirement. It takes into account the different frequencies of the types in the population (for example, extroversion is more common than introversion): http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/mbti.html
The results seem to be borne out by the survey on this thread:
"Actually, there appears to be three "retire early" personality types. (For those familiar with the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) the three most common types among Retire Early board participants were ISTJ, INTJ, and INTP.)"
Interesting, MMM forum is trending a tad differently at 1) INTJ 2) INTP 3) INFJ
Looking at the graph in the link, they separate out actual early retirees from people who hope to retire early, and INFJs were over-represented among hopeful but not actual early retirees. Maybe that personality type is intrigued by FIRE but never quite pulls the trigger. ISTJ seems to be a genuine difference between the MMM population and the population in the earlier study. In fact, it looks like ISTJs are undderrepresented in the MMM population relative to the overall web population.
Also, there are a lot more people in the survey above than in the linked study.
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Really? I am INTJ and I would not describe myself like that. I have mostly operated on the principle " the perfect is the enemy of the good". Maybe I need to go to http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html (http://www.personalitypage.com/html/portraits.html) as posted by Cwadda and find my "true" self.
From my perspective INTJ personality type is a ruthless and relentless optimizing personality.
ETA - went and looked, I am a mix of INTJ and INTP, but when I do tests the J comes out ahead a bit.
I suppose the Serenity prayer is particularly appropriate for our groups.
That's really it's own optimization category though. For example, a perfect product would take me years to complete and have zero ROI, whereas a balanced imperfect product could be delivered in 3 months and start delivering value immediately.
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Impressive. I had taken the official test in a high school class my senior year, and got INFJ. Out of curiosity, because I feel like I have changed a LOT over the years, I took the online one posted earlier... sure enough, INFJ. Funny that.
Although to be fair, the type name is "The Advocate", which is the #1 directive for nurses (which I am): patient advocate. So I guess I shouldn't be too surprised!
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^ Another INFJ. Though I've changed a lot over the years too, there has always been a cause to champion :)
Looking at the graph in the link, they separate out actual early retirees from people who hope to retire early, and INFJs were over-represented among hopeful but not actual early retirees. Maybe that personality type is intrigued by FIRE but never quite pulls the trigger. ISTJ seems to be a genuine difference between the MMM population and the population in the earlier study. In fact, it looks like ISTJs are undderrepresented in the MMM population relative to the overall web population.
Also, there are a lot more people in the survey above than in the linked study.
Thanks for pointing that out! Evidently we need a separate survey for the actual early retired than the hopefuls :) And from 2000, goodness the original survey is due for an update!
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When I was younger I tested as an INTJ. I got a little more extroverted as I got older, so now it's ENTJ. But the J is strong, I keep getting a perfect score on that. :)
jfolsen
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Most of the time when I take these things I end up INTJ, which I think suits me fairly well. I took it again this afternoon for kicks and got ISTJ, which surprised me and was a first, but also seemed to fit.
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Just added my vote- INFJ here too.
Someone once told me that INs over represent in online communities compared to real life. That makes a lot of sense to me.
Also re the earlier post about INFJs not actually retiring early, I also suspect that I will not retire early (not from lack of funds, but I bet I will have a hard time pulling the trigger).
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Just added my vote- INFJ here too.
Someone once told me that INs over represent in online communities compared to real life. That makes a lot of sense to me.
Also re the earlier post about INFJs not actually retiring early, I also suspect that I will not retire early (not from lack of funds, but I bet I will have a hard time pulling the trigger).
See, I don't actually *want* to retire early. I want to *be able to* retire early, but I don't foresee wanting to retire completely. I enjoy nursing, and there's always a new field to try. But I want the security of knowing I CAN early retire, if I change my mind.
Plans and back-up plans and back-ups for those, just for good measure =)
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See, I don't actually *want* to retire early. I want to *be able to* retire early, but I don't foresee wanting to retire completely. I enjoy nursing, and there's always a new field to try. But I want the security of knowing I CAN early retire, if I change my mind.
Plans and back-up plans and back-ups for those, just for good measure =)
Me too! I want to be able to have the freedom of walking away if I need to but I suspect I won't. My plan is actually to leave my corporate job and go into teaching (I might take a couple of detox years in between though). I've always been intrigued by teaching but could never justify it financially. My FI will bring me the ability to do a job that I'm passionate about instead of one that just pays well :)
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It is so great to see more INFJ's! And very well said. SWAMI (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/30/weekend-edition-retire-in-your-mind-even-if-you-love-your-job/)-hood is more what I aspire to as well. FI will enable working or volunteering in a field/cause of choice. Also planning to leave a boatload of money to charity/things I support.
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Personality type: “The Logician” (INTP-T)
Individual traits: Introverted – 85%, Intuitive – 56%, Thinking – 61%, Prospecting – 72%, Turbulent – 84%.
Role: Analyst
Strategy: Constant Improvement
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It is so great to see more INFJ's! And very well said. SWAMI (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/30/weekend-edition-retire-in-your-mind-even-if-you-love-your-job/)-hood is more what I aspire to as well. FI will enable working or volunteering in a field/cause of choice. Also planning to leave a boatload of money to charity/things I support.
Yes, as another INFJ, it was very exciting to see there are quite a few around here given the rarity in the general population. Supposedly INFJs typically look for meaningful careers, so it would make sense that they would be likely to be curious about ER (or using frugality skills borrowed from ER to make those meaningful careers viable/secure) but not necessarily wanting to give up work.
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Should ENTJ's with a job they enjoy retire early? I'm rereading what it means to be an ENTJ and while it's possible to replicate a similar situation in retirement, I'm wondering if it even makes sense to leave if I'm thriving in the workplace.
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Should ENTJ's with a job they enjoy retire early? I'm rereading what it means to be an ENTJ and while it's possible to replicate a similar situation in retirement, I'm wondering if it even makes sense to leave if I'm thriving in the workplace.
Get to FI, then you get to decide what makes you happiest! Doesn't matter what that is I don't think.
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My intent really is not to dump on anyone who finds Meyers-Briggs interesting, but for those who are interested in personality traits and want to learn what science has to say about them you may want to look at the Big 5 personality traits. M-B has long been discredited because of a complete lack of supporting evidence, but the Big 5 are actually supported and the subject of ongoing research. More here:
https://www.livescience.com/41313-personality-traits.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits
Again - if you have fun thinking about M-B, have a blast. But if you are interested in it then you might also enjoy learning about the Big 5.
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INTP for the win.
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My intent really is not to dump on anyone who finds Meyers-Briggs interesting, but for those who are interested in personality traits and want to learn what science has to say about them you may want to look at the Big 5 personality traits. M-B has long been discredited because of a complete lack of supporting evidence, but the Big 5 are actually supported and the subject of ongoing research. More here:
https://www.livescience.com/41313-personality-traits.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits
Again - if you have fun thinking about M-B, have a blast. But if you are interested in it then you might also enjoy learning about the Big 5.
The Big 5 looks interesting, but I didn't see much data to show that it is any more predictive than M-B for job performance,
Frankly, I don't really care how good M-B is at predicting job performance. The reason my company used it was to help, the largely INxx group of engineers communicate with everybody else and vice versa. But the whole point of FIRE is not to be working. The Big 5 very well maybe better for this role.
Obviously, this survey suggests that all personality type can be part of FIRE movement. It would be interesting to see the difference folks who have actually done it vs those are aspiring to become FIRE. The fact that INTJ and INTP are ~5% of the population and yet 50% of the FIRE movement too huge a discrepancy to be mere chance. I am sure there is some ESFP who has retired earlier, I just have yet to meet the person. We have 3 people say they are ESFJ (.5%) vs 12% of the population again a massive difference. It is entirely possible that only M-B is good at predicting at being able to retire early..
As a practical matter, I think it is moderately important. If somebody who is a ESFJ, is expressing doubts that will be happy in early retirement, I'm not going to encourage them, an INTJ, expresses doubts I will share stories about how I as INTJ really enjoyed not working.
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I have used the MB professionally to help people communicate better in the workplace and in marriage. I have also used it as one tool among many for career counseling.
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As a practical matter, I think it is moderately important. If somebody who is a ESFJ, is expressing doubts that will be happy in early retirement, I'm not going to encourage them, an INTJ, expresses doubts I will share stories about how I as INTJ really enjoyed not working.
Really? All you need to do with an ESFJ is remind them of all the volunteer work and event planning (fund raising perhaps?) that they can do in FIRE.
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My intent really is not to dump on anyone who finds Meyers-Briggs interesting, but for those who are interested in personality traits and want to learn what science has to say about them you may want to look at the Big 5 personality traits. M-B has long been discredited because of a complete lack of supporting evidence, but the Big 5 are actually supported and the subject of ongoing research. More here:
https://www.livescience.com/41313-personality-traits.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits
Again - if you have fun thinking about M-B, have a blast. But if you are interested in it then you might also enjoy learning about the Big 5.
Another one is Signature Strengths (https://www.viacharacter.org/www/Research/What-the-Research-Says-About-Character-Strengths-Signature-Strengths), which assess 24 universal character traits. One practical application being workplace satisfaction and ideally doing work that engages at least 4 of your top 7 "signature strengths". I found this interesting and helpful too (http://www.actionforhappiness.org/media/52486/340_ways_to_use_character_strengths.pdf)
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I was watching a SpaceX doc on Netflix and thought, "Elon Musk is *such* an INTJ. Googled it, found a debate on whether he's an INTP instead. (no one knows since Elon hasn't volunteered any info publicly)
Now, I guess he could be INTP. What was interesting to me though was the silliness of the arguments, including some INTP chick insisting that Musk must be INTP because he has a sense of humor and INTJ do not.
Going back to the survey and the disproportionate MMM presence of some of the rarest M-B types, I think its not so much to do with optimization focus, (though I think that's an important tool) but with ability to follow your own drummer, even when that means going against the greater cultural flow.
Certainly the having the fortitude and self-belief to tell everyone else that you've thought about it, and you think what they are doing is stupid and you aren't going along with it is not unique to INTJ, but it's probably the class where that trait is most strongly represented.
And this just made me laugh.
https://introvertdear.com/news/intj-personality-signs/#:~:text=The%20INTJ%20is%20logic%2Ddriven,an%20astonishing%20level%20of%20accuracy.
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To add to what @FIRE 20/20 mentioned here's a site where you can take a real BIG 5 test and choose whether to allow the results to be part of ongoing research. I found it to have a lot less fluff than Myers-Briggs. https://hexaco.org/hexaco-online (https://hexaco.org/hexaco-online)
For a example from my own life... The Big 5 spelled out in a really clear way the primary problem between me and my ex. Myers-Briggs called me a T and him an F, which might be a great balance until you look at what the more rigorous results were in the Big 5. The Emotionality index showed that we were actually outliers on this scale in opposite directions. He had a really high emotion with really strong scores in the anxiety and dependence factors. For him, emotions = anxiety and his emotions should be dealt with and fixed by other people and it's distressing and causes anger and anxiety when they don't. I was really low on the same two factors so emotions aren't a problem and even with support in the end they're mine to accept and deal with. What I see as over involvement by other people in trying to make me feel things without my say so ie manipulation he saw as how everyone is supposed to act all the time. You're not going to get that level of insight from Myers-Briggs.
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thanks for the big 5 link - I enjoyed it and am going to have my husband fill it out now.
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You're not going to get that level of insight from Myers-Briggs.
A few things: I might guess that those who carp about the relative scientific quality of these frameworks in favor of things other than M-B could be INTJs. ;)
I'm an INTP for the record.
But getting the same "level" of emotional insight that it seems the Big 5 gave isn't maybe what M-B is even for. Not all hammers are meant for all nails.
Even further into the question, though, having learned what I have about emotional abilities and how they can improve hugely with the right approach, I view the emotional characterizations given in your description not as fixed qualities ("I'm like this; he's like that") but as points in the trajectory of emotional awareness. His emotional awareness has been very low, and it's possible for people to level up from that, but they of course have to be aware that it's possible and to want to take steps toward that.
I'm not saying that you're not correct about the insight you felt the Big 5 gave, but it seems then to not be able to capture (or even recognize that there is) a delta of a person's development and so I could say it too is fairly limited in its usefulness. :)
I've heard that the Big 5s don't change over the course of a life. Really? Do we actually know that, or has this system been given a pass because it's "scientific?" (PS, I haven't looked into any current ways of deploying the Big 5 so it itself could have updated its attitude, and I could just be wrong about what I think I remember about it.)
Last, I note that sometimes I feel like people are ready to pile on M-B because it was developed by women, which seems to allow people to question it more. This may not even be a conscious thing, but the precedent of the tear-downs of its legitimacy over the years primes people's skepticism going forward. Also, psychology has had a real inferiority complex about how scientific it has to prove itself to be to be considered a real thing, which itself is umm, interesting.
Western culture has some issues surrounding epistemology and what's considered legit knowledge and wisdom, and not everything that can be observed about people is as quantifiable as in other subjects of study.
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Find it fascinating how much this group skews on the I side. I guess that’s not surprising for people who hate going into the office LOL
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Find it fascinating how much this group skews on the I side. I guess that’s not surprising for people who hate going into the office LOL
A lot of us assertive extroverts can't handle the office either.
ENFJ folks like me tend to be charismatic leaders, so everyone in an office gloms onto me to represent them and advocate for their needs, which can be a little exhausting.
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@Rusted Rose totally hear you on myers-briggs serving a different purpose. I enjoy it and find it interesting particularly as an easy shorthand in a work setting to facilitate discussions on work styles and communication preferences. I do still think its a more blunt tool for things like personal or relationship development (which isn't it's purpose anyway). I think the Big 5 is better for that. My understanding is that the big 5 does have a more scientific basis according to psychologists, but I am not a member of that field so am not the right person to defend relative merit, which wasn't really my point anyway.
I felt my personal story was a good example of some of the more in depth things that the big 5 can provide a framework to talk about. I personally like the Big 5 more for a many reasons. In case it isn't obvious, my ex isn't my ex based solely on the test or any stance the test takes on whether people can change, but based on the results of months of individual and couples therapy. However, doing the big 5 did identify areas for discussion that I think myers-briggs generally will not. Of course everyone's mileage will vary.
Editing to add - long story short I wasn't intending to take a hard stance on myers-briggs and perhaps offered too personal a story for the lighthearted "what's my type" discussion. oops.
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Hmm. ENFP here, I guess that explains my discontent with my engineering career. Maybe I should've been a comm major (https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/worst-single-financial-mistake-you've-made/msg3040967/#msg3040967)
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So, been tested 3 times (one at work, 2 online tests) each time scored intj. People at the lab I worked at were not surprised by my result. But, I feel, more intuitive, creative, feeling than that would indicate.if you met me as a child I would be seen as yes a bookworm but also spacey, artistic, But- graduate school and work I do rewards logic, efficiency, a bit of cold bloodedness? So, I'm fine with the way I am. I also will be fine, or more than fine (my desired state) in retirement baking bread, being barefoot, doing art, seeing friends. If I can ever get to that point. I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg? re: working in academia. Still I think there can be a feedback loop with job professions or life experiences emphasizing or deemphasizing tendencies.
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@Malcat, can your type change over time?
I tested as an ENTJ over the span of at least 5-6 years (tested maybe 3-4) from 2012-2018 and haven't taken a test since.
I've taken 3 different tests over the past month and get ESTP-a every time now.
Not sure if this is actual change in thinking due to experience, age, etc.....or maybe just answering the questions more honestly now?
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Yes both are possible. I have used the MB as one of many psychometric tests during vocational evaluations since 1992. Sometimes people change over time for example I used to be a very strong J and now even though still a J I tend to be more towards the middle. The test is most accurate when you read the question and go with your first response versus agonizing over your answer. It normally should take about 20 minutes to complete the assessment.
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@Malcat, can your type change over time?
I tested as an ENTJ over the span of at least 5-6 years (tested maybe 3-4) from 2012-2018 and haven't taken a test since.
I've taken 3 different tests over the past month and get ESTP-a every time now.
Not sure if this is actual change in thinking due to experience, age, etc.....or maybe just answering the questions more honestly now?
*Shrug* no clue. Probably. Likely.
I've changed a lot in my life in terms of values and priorities, but the core social presence I have has never changed. I've always been extremely outgoing, assertive, emotionally generous, and someone who has always been pushed by those around me into leadership roles whether I want them or not.
I've been in the town I'm in for just a few months and I'm already being pushed to become the next mayor. People say it like it's a given. I have expressed exactly zero interest in becoming mayor. The current Council are just stating it to people as if it's fact.
So there's obviously something pretty fundamental in the way I interact with the world that makes people, very quickly, feel safe with me representing their needs. I doubt that will ever change, it's been like that since I was a kid.
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@Malcat, can your type change over time?
I tested as an ENTJ over the span of at least 5-6 years (tested maybe 3-4) from 2012-2018 and haven't taken a test since.
I've taken 3 different tests over the past month and get ESTP-a every time now.
Not sure if this is actual change in thinking due to experience, age, etc.....or maybe just answering the questions more honestly now?
*Shrug* no clue. Probably. Likely.
I've changed a lot in my life in terms of values and priorities, but the core social presence I have has never changed. I've always been extremely outgoing, assertive, emotionally generous, and someone who has always been pushed by those around me into leadership roles whether I want them or not.
I've been in the town I'm in for just a few months and I'm already being pushed to become the next mayor. People say it like it's a given. I have expressed exactly zero interest in becoming mayor. The current Council are just stating it to people as if it's fact.
So there's obviously something pretty fundamental in the way I interact with the world that makes people, very quickly, feel safe with me representing their needs. I doubt that will ever change, it's been like that since I was a kid.
wow I would take that as a high compliment. I am the opposite of outgoing. But for unclear reasons I have often be voted for small l leadership roles. In elementary school the kid who hung out in the office and delivered messages to teacher. In HS to be a peer counselor. In college to be a teaching assistant, etc at work various groups, in general the person chosen to demonstrate things. I'm guessing bc I can get along with a range of people, but not sure?
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I guess people see INTJ's as responsible? because I shudder remembering the number of executives I have been on, various roles including President. Department chair at work for years, chair of other committees for years. And always pushed into it. That darn sense of responsibility. Being a first-born may have contributed too.
Partgypsy, I think we INTJs do have an artistic side, but it isn't as obvious to others so they pay more attention to our other attributes. Retirement has been great for that part of my life. And how much of our artistic side comes out in more practical ways - i.e. gardening versus painting?
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I thought one of the things with Meyers Briggs is that you should change a bit over time as you mature and work on your "weak" areas (at that was how it was explained to me in the high school psych class where I first took it).
I was a strong INFP as a kid and a fairly balanced INFJ when I did the assessment for work a few years ago.
But I expect it has more to do with circumstances and context than anything. As a kid I was around people ALL OF THE TIME so I probably scored higher on introversion because I craved alone time. As an adult, I am alone most of the time, and I miss human interaction so I don't score as introverted anymore.
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I'm pretty firmly on the introverted spectrum, but after Covid lockdown, and working from home, I retook it and was revealed to be a raging extrovert. Hmm.
I think it would be interesting to see a breakdown between the last letter Js and Ps when it comes to the assumptions of Fire. Are the Js more like to have a steadfast, rock-solid belief in the 4% rule and the long-term ~8% real return in the SP 500. Are the Ps more likely to be constantly reevaluating those assumptions for macro changes in the economy? Food for thought.
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I thought one of the things with Meyers Briggs is that you should change a bit over time as you mature and work on your "weak" areas (at that was how it was explained to me in the high school psych class where I first took it).
I was a strong INFP as a kid and a fairly balanced INFJ when I did the assessment for work a few years ago.
But I expect it has more to do with circumstances and context than anything. As a kid I was around people ALL OF THE TIME so I probably scored higher on introversion because I craved alone time. As an adult, I am alone most of the time, and I miss human interaction so I don't score as introverted anymore.
That kind of assumes that some personalities are superior to others though, doesn't it? Personality traits aren't weaknesses. Some will change with growth but some will just depend and change in the way they're manifested.
Also, a lot of people change over time for the better or for the worse. But I'm not sure this would track directly with a personality type change. It might for some people, but not for others.
For example, insecure extroverts can be extremely socially awkward. If that person becomes more secure in themselves, they may stay just as extroverted, but more socially successful. Or perhaps they become more introverted because what was driving their extroversion was a desperate need for attention and approval.
If anything, for me I've just gotten to be a more intense version of my type as I've aged.
DH is the same personality type, but he's a much, much milder version, and we incidentally have very different weaknesses.
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I thought one of the things with Meyers Briggs is that you should change a bit over time as you mature and work on your "weak" areas (at that was how it was explained to me in the high school psych class where I first took it).
I was a strong INFP as a kid and a fairly balanced INFJ when I did the assessment for work a few years ago.
But I expect it has more to do with circumstances and context than anything. As a kid I was around people ALL OF THE TIME so I probably scored higher on introversion because I craved alone time. As an adult, I am alone most of the time, and I miss human interaction so I don't score as introverted anymore.
That kind of assumes that some personalities are superior to others though, doesn't it? Personality traits aren't weaknesses. Some will change with growth but some will just depend and change in the way they're manifested.
Also, a lot of people change over time for the better or for the worse. But I'm not sure this would track directly with a personality type change. It might for some people, but not for others.
For example, insecure extroverts can be extremely socially awkward. If that person becomes more secure in themselves, they may stay just as extroverted, but more socially successful. Or perhaps they become more introverted because what was driving their extroversion was a desperate need for attention and approval.
If anything, for me I've just gotten to be a more intense version of my type as I've aged.
DH is the same personality type, but he's a much, much milder version, and we incidentally have very different weaknesses.
For sure, and also why I put "weak" in quotation marks. Like so many things, it has been hi-jacked by corporate labor theory crap anyways. When I've taken it in educational or professional settings there has been a strong bias towards "moderation in all things is better" which I don't think that was part of the original intent of the test.
I remember reading that Briggs was big on the idea of using Jungian archetypes to achieve your best self. And then her daughter basically packaged and sold it to the US government as a tool to best-fit people into the war effort in WWII.
I like the original intention and balk at the idea that you can slot people into perfect roles based on a test.
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It is helpful in marriage counseling to get people to understand how their partner can look at the same situation and see things differently. If you have different weaknesses then your partner then you can each do tasks that you are stronger in. The GATB was developed to quickly put soldiers into the right jobs for their aptitudes during WW2. It takes 2 hours to administer and the military doesn’t care about interests.
The MBTI has lists of jobs that correspond to personality types but that doesn’t mean a person has the aptitude to be successful. One of my master’s degrees is specifically in psychometric testing, career counseling, etc to help people with and without disabilities find jobs that they will both like and be successful at. Unfortunately all the graduate programs in this specialized field have been eliminated.
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My spouse and I have tested at work and at home and we're both strong INTJs. We are very intimidating to other people sometimes but we get each other perfectly. We each have our own foibles but it's kind of funny how much our personalities sync up. I think my personality definitely lends itself to the kind of long range planning and comfort with breaking social norms that go along with planning for FIRE.
These tests are silly and fun but they can also help people have a framework for understanding someone different from them sometimes. I showed a different family member the description for INTJ and it was like a little light bulb went off for her on how she sees some things about me. She got a little better at reading me afterwards since she realized I display feelings differently than she does. Being an INTJ female definitely adds to my feelings of being a bit of an alien weirdo out in the world.
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Interesting for me is that I would probably classify my son as a likely INTJ, like myself, but my daughter as an ESFP. Strange to mix up the genetic soup a couple of times and get such strikingly different results. Wife is an ISTJ or ISFJ.
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Interesting for me is that I would probably classify my son as a likely INTJ, like myself, but my daughter as an ESFP. Strange to mix up the genetic soup a couple of times and get such strikingly different results. Wife is an ISTJ or ISFJ.
I have 5 siblings and all of them are introverts, but there are a lot of parents in that genetic soup. I'm the only one with my particular set of parents and they are both *jazz hands* EXTROVERTS *flourish bow*!
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Interesting for me is that I would probably classify my son as a likely INTJ, like myself, but my daughter as an ESFP. Strange to mix up the genetic soup a couple of times and get such strikingly different results. Wife is an ISTJ or ISFJ.
. Lol I have 2 kids. My oldest is a clone of me (if anything even more on the end of intjness than me. I joke her perfect job would be "mad scientist". And my youngest, well she is a "carer" she cares about people, all living things, very intuitive and artistic. my ex I dk what he would score at but the opposite of me. Extreme extrovert, social, etc.
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I thought one of the things with Meyers Briggs is that you should change a bit over time as you mature and work on your "weak" areas (at that was how it was explained to me in the high school psych class where I first took it).
I learned this as well, when I first took the test as a 7th grader. (I'm an INTP, not that anyone cares!). I believe the line was, "The challenge of life is to grow across type." I think it's helpful if you think of it as identifying strengths, and identifying areas that could potentially be developed (if you feel it would be helpful to develop them).
I used to really identify with my MTBI type, but as I've gotten older, I've felt less and less attached to it. I have social needs and alone-time needs. I have thoughts and emotions and I don't really see them as two separate things (feelings are just thoughts from another part of the brain, really). I have always struggled with decision-making and welcomed having lots of options, but I've worked to develop my decision-making capacity and it's improved my life a lot. I think identifying so strongly with my type discouraged me from recognizing some strengths and capabilities in myself-- for example, the ability to empathize and establish trust with other people.
I worked with another personality metric that identified priorities & impasses-- what you move toward and where you tend to get stuck. I found that more enlightening (and surprising!).
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@Malcat, can your type change over time?
I was INFP in HS. After law school, I tested as INTP. But my T/F bit was always closer to the middle than anything else.
I also get different results if I take it in "work" mode (strong T, more J, closer to E) or "home" mode.
I think changes in various factors say more about the complexity of the human psyche. Almost everyone is going to be some mix; even the strongest introvert is unlikely to be 10 out of 10 on the I scale. And those different aspects of our personalities come out in different situations where they're needed -- my first job working at the deli/pizza parlor, I quickly learned how to put on a "work face" that was friendly, cheerful, and even slightly flirtatious. SO not what I think of as "me" -- but it came from somewhere.
OTOH, I have always been an off-the-charts N, and that has stayed consistent or even grown stronger as I age.* Go figure. Maybe it's my job; I lucked into a position where my big-picture view is a real asset, so I come up with the arguments and have associates to figure out the details for me. Or maybe it's just that I have a gap in the "S" ability and so don't have the capacity to pull out that skillset as much as I do in other areas, and as I've matured I've just accepted that this is who I am and stopped trying.
*When my work did MBTI, we were asked to describe a packet of Sweet'n'Low. All the S-es provided highly detailed descriptions of the color, shape, size, writing, contents, etc. I vaulted into a story about my Granny's sweet tea. I don't care what it is, I care what it means.
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@Malcat, can your type change over time?
I was INFP in HS. After law school, I tested as INTP. But my T/F bit was always closer to the middle than anything else.
I also get different results if I take it in "work" mode (strong T, more J, closer to E) or "home" mode.
I think changes in various factors say more about the complexity of the human psyche. Almost everyone is going to be some mix; even the strongest introvert is unlikely to be 10 out of 10 on the I scale. And those different aspects of our personalities come out in different situations where they're needed -- my first job working at the deli/pizza parlor, I quickly learned how to put on a "work face" that was friendly, cheerful, and even slightly flirtatious. SO not what I think of as "me" -- but it came from somewhere.
OTOH, I have always been an off-the-charts N, and that has stayed consistent or even grown stronger as I age.* Go figure. Maybe it's my job; I lucked into a position where my big-picture view is a real asset, so I come up with the arguments and have associates to figure out the details for me. Or maybe it's just that I have a gap in the "S" ability and so don't have the capacity to pull out that skillset as much as I do in other areas, and as I've matured I've just accepted that this is who I am and stopped trying.
*When my work did MBTI, we were asked to describe a packet of Sweet'n'Low. All the S-es provided highly detailed descriptions of the color, shape, size, writing, contents, etc. I vaulted into a story about my Granny's sweet tea. I don't care what it is, I care what it means.
Lol, I used to have a work mode and a personal life mode until eventually it became clear that in my particular role, being *more* myself was actually making me more professionally successful, which you wouldn't expect since that meant swearing A LOT around patients. *Looks deep into the tear-filled eyes of a patient and says "life can be a fucking asshole sometimes, can't it?"*
So my work self is just my personal life self turned up to 11.
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I think it would be interesting to see a breakdown between the last letter Js and Ps when it comes to the assumptions of Fire. Are the Js more like to have a steadfast, rock-solid belief in the 4% rule and the long-term ~8% real return in the SP 500. Are the Ps more likely to be constantly reevaluating those assumptions for macro changes in the economy? Food for thought.
I did a quick "analysis" in Excel. I put "analysis" in quotes because I just grabbed some numbers from teh interwebs and assumed they were true. I'm going to try to post the numbers, but what I was curious about was representation relative to population. I pulled population data from here: https://imgur.com/XkwdYMy , and the names and descriptions for each type here: https://www.verywellmind.com/the-myers-briggs-type-indicator-2795583.
INTJ is the most heavily over-represented with about 35% of respondents here and a 2.1% prevalence in the population for a ratio of 16.75:1. So INTJs are about 17x more likely to FIRE (or at least to respond to this thread) than by random chance. Other overrepresented types are:
INFJ - 6.7
ENTJ - 4.3
INTP - 4.2
ENTP - 1.56
INFP - 1.3
Underrepresented are:
ESFP - 0.03
ESFJ - 0.03
ISFP - 0.09
As for the groups,
IN - 5.72
EN - 1.07
IS - 0.36
ES - 0.13
NT - 5.93 ("Rationals")
NF - 1.20 ("Idealists")
SJ - 0.31 ("Guardians")
SP - 0.15 ("Artisans")
To your question about "S" vs. "J", it was a lot closer. S-types are moderately overrepresented at 1.27, while J-types are moderately underrepresented at 0.67.
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Loved the Big 5. Is there a test you can do that gives a full report without a fee?
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PantsOnFire - What really crazy is I almost made this same post! Curious to see if other people are awesome ENTJ's like myself :D And edited to reflect my result if official (officially awesome) my company paid for the test.
Female INTJ and then ENTJ are super rare. XSFx seems more common for women.
Just like this forum leans super INTJ, if you go to an entrepreneur forum, they lean disproportionately ENTJ.
So people do tend to cluster by interest within a personality groups. Some of the types don't even have an internet presence, so that also skews it.
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I'm an INFP, but when tested in a work context, I come out as an INFJ (I'm midline P/J, so I can kind of access the J-ness when needed).
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PantsOnFire - What really crazy is I almost made this same post! Curious to see if other people are awesome ENTJ's like myself :D And edited to reflect my result if official (officially awesome) my company paid for the test.
Female INTJ and then ENTJ are super rare. XSFx seems more common for women.
Just like this forum leans super INTJ, if you go to an entrepreneur forum, they lean disproportionately ENTJ.
So people do tend to cluster by interest within a personality groups. Some of the types don't even have an internet presence, so that also skews it.
Despite what I said earlier about my personality testing consistently over the years, it's not quite accurate that I always test ENFJ, I actually always test ENFJ/ENTJ because I've always been borderline on the F/T scale.
Interestingly, the F comes out more at work than in my personal life. I'm far more feeling and sensitive towards people who work for me than those in my personal life.
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I took five personality tests and these are the results
ENTJ
ESFP
ESTJ-A
ESTJ
ISTJ
Each test was obviously created by different personality types and the way the questions are asked will definitely influence the way you answer them. I saw very little in common between the tests other than the structure of them so I question their validity.
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I just read Help Your Boss Help You (pretty good, especially for beginners, 4/5 stars). I was surprised to find a whole chapter on Myers Briggs and the related Keirsey model.
The author looks at them sort of the same way that I do. It makes for an useful model, it might not always be accurate, but a model is usually better than no model. And it's a way to empathize about how others (in this case, your bosses) feel.
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I took five personality tests and these are the results
ENTJ
ESFP
ESTJ-A
ESTJ
ISTJ
Each test was obviously created by different personality types and the way the questions are asked will definitely influence the way you answer them. I saw very little in common between the tests other than the structure of them so I question their validity.
LOL, you absolutely should question the validity of random questions off the internet!
I believe the only tested / rested valid one is "form M" . https://shop.psychometrics.com/collections/myers-briggs-type-indicator-step-i (https://shop.psychometrics.com/collections/myers-briggs-type-indicator-step-i)
You can get access to one of these through a certified provider for closer to $25.
The other online "tests" are just random guesses at questions, which are very hard to write.