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Chase Sapphire Reserve vs. American Express Platinum
« on: August 04, 2017, 06:55:26 PM »
What is the better travel card: Chase Sapphire Reserve or American Express Platinum?

I have had the Chase Sapphire PREFERRED for years now, and I love the 1:1 miles transfer to partners (I use United). Very recently I got the Amex platinum, only because I waived the annual $550 fee. After one shower in the Amex Centurion Lounge (in Seattle), I began to see the benefit of this card. So the other question being, should one ditch the Preferred for the Reserve? Would love to hear your stories about the hacks / uses of each card.

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Re: Chase Sapphire Reserve vs. American Express Platinum
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2017, 03:57:21 PM »
Bit late, but I just mentioned the comparison here: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/chase-sapphire-reserve-100-000-points-signup-bonus/msg1765921/#msg1765921

Would love to hear your experiences on either of these cards over the last few months (assuming you got one)

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Re: Chase Sapphire Reserve vs. American Express Platinum
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 01:38:46 PM »
It's a highly individual answer.

As a heavy travel hacker, I've tended to have many cards at a time based on sign up bonuses. I've been working to get under chase 5/24 rule for the last 18 mos so have slowed down a lot and now confront the question of keeping cards more than before. Anyway I don't want to get lost in the too extreme stuff I've done/do that others wouldn't.

I personally travel enough and have other techniques that I can cash out the $200 Uber and $200 flight travel credits easily so the net fee on the personal platinum is down to $150 for me. Same goes for the chase sapphire reserve (CSR) credit of $300/yr so that's also a net annual fee (AF) of $150 in my eyes. Others discount less for these features and that may be appropriate if they can't easily and reliably cash these out. Anyway, I see each as a $150 af card to me.

Before anyone says "Spendypants" I'll just note that we have extreme credit card spend due to business activities and occasional manufactured spend.

We also use the chase ink cash card (no AF) to buy mobile phone, internet, and Amazon credit at Office Depot all at 5pts per dollar. These probably total $400/mo for me so 24k pts/yr. And we have two chase freedoms (no AF) that we max out the quarterly 5pts/dollar up to $1500/qtr in rotating categories on about 75% of the time so that's 45k chase points per year.  Between these two sources, we've got 67k chase points per year whose value jumps from $.01 each to $.015 or better if we have one of the premium cards such as Sapphire reserve or preferred. That boost in value is $335/yr for having a premium card easily justifying the $95 AF on a card like the preferred. Discounting by that, the csr premium is down to just $55 ($450-$300-$95)

For business reasons, I have high restaurant and parking and transit spending which easily make up the $55 remaining fee via the 3pts/dollar on these from the csr over alternatives.

We find the chase card set critical to support our heavy southwest flying and occasional united use via point transfers. Hyatt is strong too as is Singapore and Korean if you do into. British airways can be a good one on occasion. We also use them at $.015/pt for paid tickets pretty often.

Bottom line for me is that a chase sapphire reserve plus other chase cards is a great point earning machine in significant part because of meaningful spend associated to our businesses. It's complicated but the math works. The travel benefits themselves are things we hardly use because they duplicate things elsewhere. Primary car rental insurance is top of my list that does favor the csr.  Priority pass lounge access is getting better in the US but duplicates other means of access for us and Citi prestige is better there but beyond the scope of your question. Anyway, chase card set is all about the high earn of points for me. We re-up'ed for another year.

The Amex platinum is a slightly harder case for me to make because it's not obvious math. Lounge access is superior and the centurion lounge really stand out. I try hard not to assign values to luxuries I'd not pay for but it's nice! Anyway, back to numbers. The amex offers feature should not be ignored. This feature let's you opt into offers that provide additional points or cash back (e.g. spend $100 at a supermarket, get 1500 bonus points that I value at $22.50). The amex app tells me I've saved $190 in cash (not counting pts) in the last 15mos I've had it so I've made up the net fee right there easily and have re-up'ed (even while having a Citi Prestige and CSR and an amex business platinum but that's a product of our extreme travel hacking).

I occasionally book airfare on it because 5 amex pts per dollar is fantastic but otherwise don't put spend on it. For what it's worth, Citi prestige gets airfare for me despite fewer point because the travel insurance is so superior. For intl car rentals, if you're in a country not covered by CSR or don't have it, the amex opt-in $75k primary opt-in car insurance for $19.95 / rental is good to have. Having a relative whose credit card didn't cover a $15k stolen rental made the complexities of into car rental obvious to me.

Somewhere there was an thread about whether people have AAA. We drive old cars and skip it, instead relying on the services from amex plat. They've worked great and are superior among the premium travel cards. That said, I've had AAA before for the occasional hotel discount but never used it for the obvious services!

Back to points. The platinum doesn't have good earning and isn't required the same way the csr/csp are with chase but amex mr are very be useful. In the us, that's mostly for Delta but they are also very valuable on some of the more obscure partners. Definitely not as easy a case to make as chase partners. Anyway, the platinum card is not about point earning directly or indirectly the way csr is but don't write off amex points as a valuable currency.
 
I've not revisited the point math fully in a while because I'm confident I can justify both but there's a case in the back of my mind that lurks... Should I dump all of it and just solely use my BOA travel rewards with no AF and earn 2.625% all the time and have no travel benefits but cease all this travel hacking thinking/obsessing? It's tempting sometimes... But I've been doing this for 8 years or more so in many ways, the skills are developed and it's just a matter of staying on top of the latest developments for me.

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Re: Chase Sapphire Reserve vs. American Express Platinum
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2017, 11:36:25 AM »
I would say that unless you travel a lot, one premium card with the attendant high fee is enough at any given time.  In my case that's a CSR.  Well, by that I mean DH got it in Mar 2017 and will downgrade to CSP when the annual fee is due again.  In the meantime I'll get the CSR in Jan-March 2018 timeframe. We'll move UR points between accounts for best value.  Rinse and repeat.   If that every-other-year plan stops working then maybe we'll move on the a Amex premium card.

Admittedly, I just jumped on the CSR b/c we already had UR points and it had (past tense) a 100,000 signing bonus. 

If you travel as much as CoffeeandDonuts does, that's a whole different equation.

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Re: Chase Sapphire Reserve vs. American Express Platinum
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 07:05:01 AM »
We didn't jump on the CSR 100k offer last year (that was pretty dumb), now both my spouse and I have the CSP (so we can't get the CSR for some time). I have to say that the lounge access premiums travel cards offer is starting to seem more and more enticing to me. We'll be traveling a fair amount in the next year, so I'm waiting on and hoping for a good sign-up bonus for either the Citi Prestige or Amex Platinum.

One thing to keep in mind is that you'd want to make sure that the card your getting offers lounge access (in the airports/terminals you need it) not only to the cardholder but also to guests.

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Re: Chase Sapphire Reserve vs. American Express Platinum
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 08:06:36 AM »
The breakeven between the CSR and CSP is $2,750 per year in combined restaurant and travel spending. So if you spend more than $2,750, getting the CSP is silly. Between the Amex and CSR, you need to make sure your uber/airline credit is actually a benefit to you. For instance, I rarely book directly with the airline because my job requires me to use a travel agent and I use points for most/all of my personal travel. Also, Amex partners are Delta, United, and American where Chase's main partners are United and Southwest (others are possible such as transfering to fly blue and booking a partner flight on Delta, but it can be difficult to get the flight to show up in partner systems). I fly American a lot and have a lot of stranded points that would be nice to be able to transfer some points from Amex to American and complete a RT ticket.

Also, as CoffeeandDonuts mentioned, the ability to combine points across across the chase program makes earning points far easier than Amex. For me, the CSR is better, but I can see situations where the Amex is better for some people.

Fun fact, if you are active military - Amex waves the $550 fee. Meaning you get free uber and $200 on flights as a perk.   

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Re: Chase Sapphire Reserve vs. American Express Platinum
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 12:11:36 PM »
As CoffeeAndDonuts described, by having several chase point cards, the chase sapphire reserve becomes an excellent deal.  If you spend any amount of money on spend that provides bonus points such as freedom 5x and ink 5x you really get some significant benefit by having the CSR.  As he put it, if you'd spouse max out the $1500 for a few of the categories you very quickly end up with 45,000 points.  When using CSR those points are worth 1.5x which in effect gives you an extra $225 in value.  Deduct the $300 travel credit and the card pays for itself plus gives you some lounge access.

Amex is much more difficult to justify and having a more difficult time myself. I put some value into the Centurion Lounge which I am willing to pay a little for.  Every so often having gold status at Hilton has been helpful Both cards provide Marriott and Starwood gold status so there is no extra benefit there. I have the business card which is $450 which after the airline credit is down to $250.  We have on many occasions when arriving to a destination would go to the lounge for lunch or dinner saving $20-$50 on a meal. Plus it kills some time for our luggage to show up for pickup.  This also works when we come home and don't have to cook dinner or buy groceries right away.  To us that feature alone seams to be worth $250.  I doubt we would end up using the Uber credit often enough to make the extra $100 fee worth it for the non business platinum.

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Re: Chase Sapphire Reserve vs. American Express Platinum
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 12:29:35 PM »
As CoffeeAndDonuts described, by having several chase point cards, the chase sapphire reserve becomes an excellent deal.  If you spend any amount of money on spend that provides bonus points such as freedom 5x and ink 5x you really get some significant benefit by having the CSR.  As he put it, if you'd spouse max out the $1500 for a few of the categories you very quickly end up with 45,000 points.  When using CSR those points are worth 1.5x which in effect gives you an extra $225 in value.  Deduct the $300 travel credit and the card pays for itself plus gives you some lounge access.

Amex is much more difficult to justify and having a more difficult time myself. I put some value into the Centurion Lounge which I am willing to pay a little for.  Every so often having gold status at Hilton has been helpful Both cards provide Marriott and Starwood gold status so there is no extra benefit there. I have the business card which is $450 which after the airline credit is down to $250.  We have on many occasions when arriving to a destination would go to the lounge for lunch or dinner saving $20-$50 on a meal. Plus it kills some time for our luggage to show up for pickup.  This also works when we come home and don't have to cook dinner or buy groceries right away.  To us that feature alone seams to be worth $250.  I doubt we would end up using the Uber credit often enough to make the extra $100 fee worth it for the non business platinum.
Priority pass is starting to experiment with alternative lounges. Basically restaurants where you get a certain amount of credit to buy food ($28 per person if I recall correctly). They have started this at the Portland airport and it is an amazing perk.

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Re: Chase Sapphire Reserve vs. American Express Platinum
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 06:11:35 PM »
We didn't jump on the CSR 100k offer last year (that was pretty dumb), now both my spouse and I have the CSP (so we can't get the CSR for some time). I have to say that the lounge access premiums travel cards offer is starting to seem more and more enticing to me. We'll be traveling a fair amount in the next year, so I'm waiting on and hoping for a good sign-up bonus for either the Citi Prestige or Amex Platinum.

One thing to keep in mind is that you'd want to make sure that the card your getting offers lounge access (in the airports/terminals you need it) not only to the cardholder but also to guests.

I've had GREAT success with the CSR priority pass guest.  We were traveling in europe with 6 total people and we had two cards.  Never had a problem putting 2 guests on each card, but I have a sneaking suspicion we could have gotten away with putting everyone on one card.  From random comments made by check-in staff, they don't really care, they will enter the number of guests you want and if the machine approves it you're good.  I heard something like "they will have to pay if the request doesn't go through" a few times, but it always worked.

Unfortunately, with priority pass you are really at the whim of your terminal/gate.  There's only one lounge in SFO, which is amazeballs (AirFrance) but you have to be flying international and have about a 50/50 chance of getting the correct gate.

I'm curious about the Centurion lounges.  Do they have a self-service booze or a bartender?  Because I'm a cheap bastard I'd even forgoe free booze if it means I have to tip a buck.  For easy things like a beer, can I tip $1 for two?