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Mustachianism in Ancient Philosophy
« on: April 16, 2014, 10:10:32 AM »
The thoughts that we share here have been around for a loooong time.  As an example, here's a quote from the Roman Stoic philosopher Seneca (4BC - 65AD):

"I do not interdict the possession of wealth, but my aim is for you to possess it fearlessly, and this attitude you can achieve only if you are convinced that you can live happily even without wealth, if you can look upon it always as on the point of vanishing."

He goes on to say:

"We must train on the punching bag; Poverty must become our familiar so that Fortune may not catch us unprepared.  We can be rich with easier mind if we are convinced that poverty is not a disaster."

I love it!

The book is a collection of writings titled The Stoic Philosophy of Seneca translated by Moses Hadas.
http://www.amazon.com/Stoic-Philosophy-Seneca-Essays-Letters/dp/0393004597

Does anyone have one to share?

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Re: Mustachianism in Ancient Philosophy
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2014, 11:20:37 AM »
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Pleasure that leads to pain shoul be avoided and pain that leads to pleasure should not be avoided.

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Re: Mustachianism in Ancient Philosophy
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2014, 07:50:45 PM »
Here's a few quotes I've found from reading Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius. I found Marcus Aurelius to be especially inspiring because he chose to lead a simple life despite his status as emperor. His path to stoicism was certainly by choice, not necessity. In the same way, I may not be impressed by someone following a mustachian lifestyle while poor (who thus has no choice) yet I may marvel at someone who can maintain those same mustachian principles while possessing great wealth.

From The Golden Sayings of Epictetus:

I am richer than you: I am not racked with anxiety as to what Cæsar may think of me; I flatter none on that account. This is what I have, instead of vessels of gold and silver! your vessels may be of gold, but your reason, your principles, your accepted views, your inclinations, your desires are of earthenware.

From the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius:

Consider the nature of all worldly sensible things; of those especially, which either ensnare by pleasure, or for their irksomeness are dreadful, or for their outward lustre and show are in great esteem and request, how vile and contemptible, how base and corruptible, how destitute of all true life and being they are.

How base and putrid, every common matter is! Water, dust, and from the mixture of these bones, and all that loathsome stuff that our bodies do consist of: so subject to be infected, and corrupted. And again those other things that are so much prized and admired, as marble stones, what are they, but as it were the kernels of the earth— gold and silver, what are they, but as the more gross faeces of the earth— Thy most royal apparel, for matter, it is but as it were the hair of a silly sheep, and for colour, the very blood of a shell-fish; of this nature are all other things.

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Re: Mustachianism in Ancient Philosophy
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2014, 09:35:46 AM »
Frugality in literature is nothing new: 

Jesus spoke about money (treating one's fellow man fairly, not allowing wealth to be a priority) more often than he spoke of Heaven.

Both Shakespeare and Chaucer spoke of being careful with money.  Shakespeare himself was attacked in a pamphlet for being "waspish with money". 

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Re: Mustachianism in Ancient Philosophy
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2014, 09:43:44 AM »
One of my favorites from Epicurus:

"It is folly for a man to pray to the gods for that which he has the power to obtain by himself."

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Re: Mustachianism in Ancient Philosophy
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2014, 10:26:03 AM »
Wow, Marcus Aurelius sounds like a Benedictine Monk.

No matter how much we accumulate, we leave it all behind on death, other than our good acts in this life (and perhaps knowledge taken into the after-life).

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Re: Mustachianism in Ancient Philosophy
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2014, 03:41:22 AM »
Thankyou for the quote, serpentstooth. 'Not all desires are to be satisfied' would make a good Mustachian quote. We do not have to have everything.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2014, 12:18:48 AM »
Wow, Marcus Aurelius sounds like a Benedictine Monk.

Yeah, there's definitely overlap with medieval Christianity. In fact, the translation I read of Marcus Aurelius (by George Long) began with an introduction which drew parallels to Thomas à Kempis' The Imitation of Christ. After reading both, I preferred Aurelius and wasn't quite as inspired by all the shame, self-hatred, and dismissal of science described in the latter.

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Re: Mustachianism in Ancient Philosophy
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2014, 10:10:23 AM »
Here is one that I received at the bottom of a daily industry email. I think it fits perfectly and is spot on with everyone's focus on consumerism - "You HAVE to keep up with the Joneses" Amiright?

To be content with little is hard; to be content with much, impossible."
-- Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach,
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Re: Mustachianism in Ancient Philosophy
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2014, 10:42:28 AM »
Here is one that I received at the bottom of a daily industry email. I think it fits perfectly and is spot on with everyone's focus on consumerism - "You HAVE to keep up with the Joneses" Amiright?

To be content with little is hard; to be content with much, impossible."
-- Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach,
Austrian writer

Love it!  Thanks for sharing.
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