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mustachian utopia??
« on: June 17, 2016, 01:02:21 PM »
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=40239424&nid=148

http://www.newvistasfoundation.org/

It will be interesting to see if this works out. Apparently the developer's father invented the process for making industrial diamonds. He sold the company and is devoting a lot of his fortune to this cause.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2016, 01:48:36 PM »
"Residents would rent, not own, and have only 200 square feet of personal space each"

I'll pass, based on this fact alone. 

Kudos for thinking outside the box, I suppose.

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2016, 01:48:43 PM »
The whineypants appear to be very upset that this new community is [destroying] 'old communities', 'the house that Dad built' and [contributing to] 'urban sprawl'.

The last one is a complete head shaker as the whole point of this vision is to be more efficient and REDUCE urban sprawl.

But I guess since the plastic signs say 'Stop Urban Sprawl' the plan must be bad!  Umm.  Wow.

OLD and ESTABLISHED equals GOOD and SMART too.   Gotcha!

I'm sure Dad was a whiz builder too.  Yup! Yup!

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2016, 02:03:26 PM »
High density, mixed-use land, communal green space? That's a planner's heaven. God, I'd love to see something that in my community.

New urbanism has been around for a few years. I wish the developer all the best and hope his dreams come true.

Also: lol at that councilwoman saying single family neighborhoods need to be protected like endangered species. Because suburbia is in such a decline in America today, right?

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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2016, 02:32:38 PM »
Somehow I don't think many of us would fit with an LDS communal living situation...

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2016, 02:47:16 PM »
Next to BYU -- this concept sounds like a college dorm for grownups?

I'm a little suspicious, however. As much as I would like to see more walkable environments, this idea is still a mega-project under a single developer and it will share many of the same downsides as other master-planned communities.

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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2016, 03:08:32 PM »
Everybody knows the 1950s were full of good ideas.  That being said I live in a neighborhood built then. 

I'm guessing these are the same people that are all kinds of upset about government overreach into the free market, but then turn around to support Byzantine zoning laws when the free market threatens their NIMBYism. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2016, 03:55:42 PM »
Also: lol at that councilwoman saying single family neighborhoods need to be protected like endangered species. Because suburbia is in such a decline in America today, right?

Guessing, but I would say that about traditional single family neighborhoods too. Most of "Suburbia" is cookie cutter subdivision with HOAs, mirrored house plans and generally builder grade junk. Old single family neighborhoods usually grew more organically, and have a lot more character in my opinion.

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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2016, 11:59:10 PM »
Somehow I don't think many of us would fit with an LDS communal living situation...

Sounds like Utopia for blonde, heterosexual members of the LDS! For anyone who appreciates a little diversity, not so much.

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2016, 06:03:02 AM »
Sounds rather cultish to me. No, thanks. I'll keep my "single family home".

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2016, 03:14:15 PM »
Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy raw land to create his experiment?

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2016, 11:19:26 AM »
I live in the area... sounds like it could work for some people, but it certainly won't for me. 

As for the neighborhoods he's trying to tear down... old neighborhoods are what make old cities charming.  The hospital recently purchased and leveled around 60-75 historic homes in what used to be a great old neighborhood and put in a giant parking lot.  Lots of people are still ticked about it.  There's plenty of open space around here for this guy to build his utopia without forcing people out of their homes.

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2016, 11:56:39 AM »
Zero info on the economy, just wishy washy distraction. Sounds like a cult. To each their own though.

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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2016, 12:11:45 PM »
Yikes, that guy needs a new web developer, stat.

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2016, 10:39:59 AM »
As for the neighborhoods he's trying to tear down... old neighborhoods are what make old cities charming.  The hospital recently purchased and leveled around 60-75 historic homes in what used to be a great old neighborhood and put in a giant parking lot.  Lots of people are still ticked about it.  There's plenty of open space around here for this guy to build his utopia without forcing people out of their homes.

I'm very much for keeping existing buildings unless there's a really good reason.  The greenest/cheapest building is more often than not the one that's already built.  Plus, even buildings from ten years ago have historical value. 

On the other hand, though, making better use of the land is a great reason for tearing down sprawling development.  It will improve quality of life to build denser and shrink the distance between people and the places they regularly go.  Building that development on the outlying open space you mentioned would just eat up existing wild land or farm land that is even more valuable than the old neighborhood.  And dense development doesn't do any good if it's separated from the center of town by several miles. 

And the parking lot is a completely different case since it's a terrible use of the land and doesn't come close to making up for the loss of the existing neighborhood even if it was sprawling. 

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2016, 10:56:46 AM »
"The greenest/cheapest building is more often than not the one that's already built."  Well said Dougules.  It applies to cars as well.   

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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2016, 02:20:42 PM »
Somehow I don't think many of us would fit with an LDS communal living situation...

Sounds like Utopia for blonde, heterosexual members of the LDS! For anyone who appreciates a little diversity, not so much.

I lived in Utah for 3 years in the late 90's.  It may not have been diverse, particularly in the suburbs of Salt Lake where we lived, but we loved it despite being a non-Mormon, racially mixed family. It's high on our list of places to retire to.   

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2016, 02:41:11 PM »
Somehow I don't think many of us would fit with an LDS communal living situation...

Sounds like Utopia for blonde, heterosexual members of the LDS! For anyone who appreciates a little diversity, not so much.

I lived in Utah for 3 years in the late 90's.  It may not have been diverse, particularly in the suburbs of Salt Lake where we lived, but we loved it despite being a non-Mormon, racially mixed family. It's high on our list of places to retire to.

This is Provo though. Like just up the road from BYU. SLC and Provo are different places I think... SLC is only like 35% mormon now, whereas Provo is 85%+. I just imagine they're culturally quite different now! That was certainly the feel I've gotten all the times I've visited each. (Although I've only been to Provo 2 times, and did not enjoy it either. Salt Lake City is nice, although a little sterile feeling for me. To each their own though! Lovely country around both areas).