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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1550 on: July 10, 2015, 04:43:59 PM »
There was a survey on the forum, and I think we ended up much closer to 50/50, and definitely not all engineers.
Lots of us are INTJ, way more than the % in the general population, from another poll.

Assumptions are dangerous. Generic (non-gendered) names are common on here.   

I'm just going to refer to everyone that I don't konw the gender of on here as a guy, because I don't care, I think MMM even made a post saying that a large majority of his readers are men, also that the most common occupation was Engineer, maybe I'll start calling people him PE lol

I'd say in most discussions each person's gender is largely irrelevant anyway, so it wouldn't really matter. In discussions where your gender does matter it's not hard to simply clarify that. Any time I believe my gender might affect a discussion in one way or another I simply make a point to mention that I'm male so everyone understands that's where my perspective comes from.

Outside of that, I don't really care what gender someone assumes I am because I don't think it matters. I've had a couple people online assume I'm female, most people on the phone think I'm a 20 year old girl by the sound of my voice (having an androgynous name doesn't help that), occasionally people I meet believe I'm gay at first, and despite being 25 every person I meet believes I'm anywhere from 32 to 38 years old until I actually tell them I'm not. I've just grown to not be bothered by any of it.

Ultimately, none of it should affect the value of my opinions or anything I say, so there's no point in getting upset; once it does apparently affect that I can just correct the misunderstanding, no big deal. Just my personal view on the subject.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1551 on: July 12, 2015, 11:02:41 AM »
In English, as in many other languages, it has always been proper to refer to persons of unknown gender by the male pronouns. So get mad at history or something. No one's wrong by doing that. It's not like they're being misogynistic, they're just using the English language as it's been taught for centuries. (And don't start putting words in my mouth. Obviously there are no derogatory meanings to the word "he", so it doesn't compare to other historical words that are best not to use.)
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« Reply #1552 on: July 12, 2015, 12:22:09 PM »
In English, as in many other languages, it has always been proper to refer to persons of unknown gender by the male pronouns. So get mad at history or something. No one's wrong by doing that. It's not like they're being misogynistic, they're just using the English language as it's been taught for centuries. (And don't start putting words in my mouth. Obviously there are no derogatory meanings to the word "he", so it doesn't compare to other historical words that are best not to use.)

People keep bringing this up but it's not the point. What you're talking about is the convention when talking about a generic, non-existing example person. e.g., "An investor who wants to balance his investments ought to [etc.]". What's being discussed is assuming the gender of an actual, existing individual, someone who has a specific set of genitals and/or gender identity, not a nebulous quantum androgyne. There is no grammatical convention in formal english for when there is a specific individual you're trying to refer to but you don't happen to know their gender. Well, I mean, except saying "he or she."

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« Reply #1553 on: July 12, 2015, 01:12:25 PM »
Ah. I didn't realize a specific person of unknown gender was included in that. I like learning, though, so thanks for the education. :)

Maybe people don't need to get angry about it? I'm sure no one means any harm by it. I've seen people of both genders assume something about the gender of someone else in an internet conversation, and as someone said before, it doesn't usually have any real relevance to the conversation. Most discussions and advice apply to both (should I use "all" now?) genders.
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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1554 on: July 12, 2015, 01:43:59 PM »

Shh, you might mess up his spreadsheet.

Don't assume everyone on the internet is a man.

I make no such assumption.


The word "his" certainly was such an assumption.

Or it was a convenient default pronoun to use since English lacks a commonly used gender-free pronoun. Using "she" would've been an equally large assumption.

FFS, just use "their"!!! (Pet peeve...)


Gah. Please don't.


Look at it this way: with a reference to an individual person, guessing outright you have about a 50% change of getting it right if you pick a gender. With "their," you are 100% guaranteed to be wrong; the one thing you know about an anonymous poster is that there's only one,


I recommend a workaround such as screen name or he/she. Guaranteed to be correct.

Although I also used to think of "their" as plural, it is actually correct to use it as third person singular as well.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/their

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:  of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
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:  his or her :  his, her, its —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses — W. H. Auden>

So this is the "safe" way to refer to a person of an unknown gender. But safe is in scare quotes because I'm sure many people like you (and me until a few months ago) will think the term is being used incorrectly.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1555 on: July 12, 2015, 02:32:26 PM »
Ah. I didn't realize a specific person of unknown gender was included in that. I like learning, though, so thanks for the education. :)

Yeah, considering I went back to check which particular poster was being talked about and then gave up because it was nested too far back, it's totally understandable that now people don't know what the heck is being talked about ha ha.

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Maybe people don't need to get angry about it? I'm sure no one means any harm by it. I've seen people of both genders assume something about the gender of someone else in an internet conversation, and as someone said before, it doesn't usually have any real relevance to the conversation. Most discussions and advice apply to both (should I use "all" now?) genders.

Absolutely. I don't think anyone is insulted by being mistaken for male. I mean, that would indicate a sort of messed up attitude toward men. And I don't think anyone gets angry in instances where someone hazards a guess about gender and is wrong. It's the underlying assumption that everyone is male until proven guilty that's weird.

Like, everyone, including women, tends to assume a person on the internet is male until they start talking about their boobs or dresses or something. If people truly didn't care or it wasn't relevant, they would assume the person is female some of the time. Or we could propose switching it entirely, assume someone is female until they start talking about their dick or something. But that would feel weird, right? So to me, that shows that it's a messy mental habit that would be worth getting out of.


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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1556 on: July 12, 2015, 06:37:13 PM »
Ah. I didn't realize a specific person of unknown gender was included in that. I like learning, though, so thanks for the education. :)

Maybe people don't need to get angry about it? I'm sure no one means any harm by it. I've seen people of both genders assume something about the gender of someone else in an internet conversation, and as someone said before, it doesn't usually have any real relevance to the conversation. Most discussions and advice apply to both (should I use "all" now?) genders.
Except that having male be the default has societal effects and harms.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1557 on: July 12, 2015, 07:34:52 PM »
So, one Mustachian People Problem (just for fun) is: Since we do not specify our gender when posting, we must give no indication of gender in our sentance structure or imply superiority of either gender. Using "he/she" is out because, listed either way, it implies a primary and secondary. Therefore, all references must either refer to the specific name of the referenced individual or use non gender descriptives such as "one could do this" or "the previous poster may do that." So, does that sound ok to you guys?

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« Reply #1558 on: July 12, 2015, 08:42:06 PM »
Yes - If you are OK with blatant discrimination against any artificial intelligences that have saved enough from a career in HFT and are now retired to a nice LCO data center in the mid west and like to post on MMM

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1559 on: July 12, 2015, 09:34:09 PM »
So, one Mustachian People Problem (just for fun) is: Since we do not specify our gender when posting, we must give no indication of gender in our sentance structure or imply superiority of either gender. Using "he/she" is out because, listed either way, it implies a primary and secondary. Therefore, all references must either refer to the specific name of the referenced individual or use non gender descriptives such as "one could do this" or "the previous poster may do that." So, does that sound ok to you guys?
But isn't the "=er" ending a male designation? I'm afraid the only true solution is to switch to a new language.
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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1560 on: July 13, 2015, 05:38:20 AM »
Instead of he/she, consider (s)he?

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« Reply #1561 on: July 13, 2015, 05:54:39 AM »
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... must give no indication of gender ...  to you guys?

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« Reply #1562 on: July 13, 2015, 06:04:20 AM »
Around here "guys" has become gender-neutral, I say it all the time to both sexes.

Be glad you don't have to worry much about the "gender" of inanimate objects - we all know boats are "she", for some reason, but one of the hardest parts of studying French was learning whether a particular thing used "le" or "la" .

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... must give no indication of gender ...  to you guys?

Ha ha ha
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« Reply #1563 on: July 13, 2015, 08:07:58 AM »
Around here "guys" has become gender-neutral, I say it all the time to both sexes.

Be glad you don't have to worry much about the "gender" of inanimate objects - we all know boats are "she", for some reason, but one of the hardest parts of studying French was learning whether a particular thing used "le" or "la" .

Oh god, brings back nightmares from high school German, which has THREE genders for objects, and the gender changes other parts of the grammar also. Even now I can't remember if what objects are boys, girls, or neutrals.
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« Reply #1564 on: July 13, 2015, 08:38:16 AM »
Around here "guys" has become gender-neutral, I say it all the time to both sexes.


I personally don't mind being addressed in a group as "guys" as much as I mind being addressed singularly as "him".  Because guys is commonly used to mean "group of people"  -  "Hey guys, we are going to the movies".  (Though I prefer y'all, because it IS actually gender neutral, and therefore does less to reinforce male dominant gender order.)

But I've never seen a situation where "his" is meant to refer to a singular female. 

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« Reply #1565 on: July 13, 2015, 10:19:50 AM »
The shortest daily used time is the New York Second, defined as the time between the traffic light changing to green and the cab beyond you honking.

A swedish automotive journalist once tried to time the lenght of the New York Second in Stockholm and started in the outskirts driving towards the city center.  When the lights turned green he waited until the car behind him honked until he started driving.  Approaching the downtown area, the times were shorter and shorter.  Once he reached the absolute center of Stockholm he realized that it was the same car behind him on the whole journey....

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« Reply #1566 on: July 13, 2015, 10:29:17 AM »
Around here "guys" has become gender-neutral, I say it all the time to both sexes.


I personally don't mind being addressed in a group as "guys" as much as I mind being addressed singularly as "him".  Because guys is commonly used to mean "group of people"  -  "Hey guys, we are going to the movies".  (Though I prefer y'all, because it IS actually gender neutral, and therefore does less to reinforce male dominant gender order.)

But I've never seen a situation where "his" is meant to refer to a singular female.

It is indeed common to refer to a person of unknown gender as "him".  Have you ever been on the Internet?

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« Reply #1567 on: July 13, 2015, 10:39:57 AM »
It is indeed common to refer to a person of unknown gender as "him".  Have you ever been on the Internet?

I have, and I find it to be rude and presumptuous.  Really, THIS is the only forum on the internet where I am routinely referred to as male.  None of the other ones I participate in do that, and I play on a lot of internet forums. 

On one board many posters have a bad habit of referring to people as "she", which I think is equally rude- as men are a minority on that board and it further minimizes their presence, but most of the boards I participate in people go out of their way to be gender neutral unless you know the poster.    (And it isn't that hard to learn who common posters are.)

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1568 on: July 13, 2015, 10:56:28 AM »
Mustachian problem:  Looking in my cupboard a few days ago and realizing I have loads of dry beans because they're a good cheap source of protein lol.   Also whining carrying my heavy change jars to the bank to empty them just to fill them again.

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« Reply #1569 on: July 13, 2015, 11:18:03 AM »
Exactly, guys is now a gender-neutral group.  Single person? The language is not good at dealing with unknown gender.  Of course back when the language was developing and communication was face-to-face this wasn't an issue.  Technology people problems  ;-)

Around here "guys" has become gender-neutral, I say it all the time to both sexes.


I personally don't mind being addressed in a group as "guys" as much as I mind being addressed singularly as "him".  Because guys is commonly used to mean "group of people"  -  "Hey guys, we are going to the movies".  (Though I prefer y'all, because it IS actually gender neutral, and therefore does less to reinforce male dominant gender order.)

But I've never seen a situation where "his" is meant to refer to a singular female.
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« Reply #1570 on: July 13, 2015, 11:29:59 AM »
Exactly, guys is now a gender-neutral group.  Single person? The language is not good at dealing with unknown gender.  Of course back when the language was developing and communication was face-to-face this wasn't an issue.  Technology people problems  ;-)

Around here "guys" has become gender-neutral, I say it all the time to both sexes.


I personally don't mind being addressed in a group as "guys" as much as I mind being addressed singularly as "him".  Because guys is commonly used to mean "group of people"  -  "Hey guys, we are going to the movies".  (Though I prefer y'all, because it IS actually gender neutral, and therefore does less to reinforce male dominant gender order.)

But I've never seen a situation where "his" is meant to refer to a singular female.

More that technology is changing faster than language is. By the time some kind of answer is decided upon, there will be new problems language is not yet equipped to handle. I mean, it's only been ~ 1 generation (20 years) since the Internet became what it has. Language doesn't change that quickly.

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« Reply #1571 on: July 13, 2015, 11:40:14 AM »
Can we PLEASE stop the gender terms discussion and go back to the original thread? I used to enjoy clicking into this thread, but not so much lately... Maybe start a separate off-topic thread to continue the discussion?
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« Reply #1572 on: July 13, 2015, 11:46:16 AM »
Exactly, guys is now a gender-neutral group.  Single person? The language is not good at dealing with unknown gender.  Of course back when the language was developing and communication was face-to-face this wasn't an issue.  Technology people problems  ;-)

Around here "guys" has become gender-neutral, I say it all the time to both sexes.


I personally don't mind being addressed in a group as "guys" as much as I mind being addressed singularly as "him".  Because guys is commonly used to mean "group of people"  -  "Hey guys, we are going to the movies".  (Though I prefer y'all, because it IS actually gender neutral, and therefore does less to reinforce male dominant gender order.)

But I've never seen a situation where "his" is meant to refer to a singular female.

More that technology is changing faster than language is. By the time some kind of answer is decided upon, there will be new problems language is not yet equipped to handle. I mean, it's only been ~ 1 generation (20 years) since the Internet became what it has. Language doesn't change that quickly.

I've been told to use 'ze' and 'hir'. I don't know if those terms will become common knowledge eventually or not, but you are right, change happens slowly.

However, I think in English there are not so many words to change. What happens in other languages that have many more gender differences, like Spanish. Many more words change based on one's gender in those languages than he/she, her/him, hers/his, husband/wife, etc.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1573 on: July 13, 2015, 12:37:32 PM »
Yes - If you are OK with blatant discrimination against any artificial intelligences that have saved enough from a career in HFT and are now retired to a nice LCO data center in the mid west and like to post on MMM

Wait, is the Daemon on this board?! Man, I'd love to meet... um... it? ...Them?

I personally don't mind being addressed in a group as "guys" as much as I mind being addressed singularly as "him".

But that's one of the cases where there are widely known, non-awkward alternatives. "Folks" usually works well, or "everybody", or something along those lines.

OK, /foam.

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Re: Mustachian People Problems (just for fun)
« Reply #1574 on: July 13, 2015, 12:53:10 PM »
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« Reply #1575 on: July 13, 2015, 12:58:44 PM »
So, one Mustachian People Problem (just for fun) is: Since we do not specify our gender when posting, we must give no indication of gender in our sentance structure or imply superiority of either gender. Using "he/she" is out because, listed either way, it implies a primary and secondary. Therefore, all references must either refer to the specific name of the referenced individual or use non gender descriptives such as "one could do this" or "the previous poster may do that." So, does that sound ok to you guys?

"their" can be third person singular and is OK in this situation.

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"their" is non offensive to advanced AIs too.

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« Reply #1576 on: July 13, 2015, 01:32:03 PM »

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« Reply #1577 on: July 13, 2015, 02:08:47 PM »
So, one Mustachian People Problem (just for fun) is: Since we do not specify our gender when posting, we must give no indication of gender in our sentance structure or imply superiority of either gender. Using "he/she" is out because, listed either way, it implies a primary and secondary. Therefore, all references must either refer to the specific name of the referenced individual or use non gender descriptives such as "one could do this" or "the previous poster may do that." So, does that sound ok to you guys?

"their" can be third person singular and is OK in this situation.

Yes - If you are OK with blatant discrimination against any artificial intelligences that have saved enough from a career in HFT and are now retired to a nice LCO data center in the mid west and like to post on MMM

"their" is non offensive to advanced AIs too.

Their is offensive to single-person entities because it assumes a hive mind, or at least perpetuates the dominance of corporate entities worldwide

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« Reply #1578 on: July 13, 2015, 04:08:00 PM »
Tax-free weekend coming up in  few weeks, but I cannot think of anything I want to buy. Oh well, can't take advantage of this.
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« Reply #1579 on: July 13, 2015, 04:28:52 PM »
I spent several minutes trying to figure out if Prime day was 2am on July 35th or something before the person who asked me if I had any plans for it filled me in that it was about Amazon Prime.

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« Reply #1580 on: July 13, 2015, 04:55:05 PM »
Tax-free weekend coming up in  few weeks, but I cannot think of anything I want to buy. Oh well, can't take advantage of this.

I've never thought tax-free weekend is worth it.  Even when I had stuff to buy, I'd rather pay the taxes than fight the crowds.  The state is going to get them out of me somehow.


It's not really a "problem" but my husband and I went out to dinner this weekend.  We were trying to remember the last time we did, and it was last October.

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« Reply #1581 on: July 13, 2015, 05:51:49 PM »
Mustachian problem:
I went to a mustachian meetup on Saturday downtown and since I live in the suburbs, the bus only comes once an hour. So instead of taking the 10 dollar taxi, I waited 45 minutes for the bus from the metro when I was going home.
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« Reply #1582 on: July 13, 2015, 06:09:57 PM »
Tax-free weekend coming up in  few weeks, but I cannot think of anything I want to buy. Oh well, can't take advantage of this.

I've never thought tax-free weekend is worth it.  Even when I had stuff to buy, I'd rather pay the taxes than fight the crowds.  The state is going to get them out of me somehow.


It's not really a "problem" but my husband and I went out to dinner this weekend.  We were trying to remember the last time we did, and it was last October.

"Tax free day" is just a gift to retailers. They know that more people will be coming out to shop and will be buying those particular items, so they either just 1) increase the price of those items by the amount of the tax, 2) increase the price of other items to capture that extra money from you, or 3) both.

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« Reply #1583 on: July 13, 2015, 07:36:57 PM »
I have a $5 coupon to a local grocery store that expires in 2 weeks. I've been sitting on it for a month because I can't come up with $5 worth of stuff that's a good price all at once. I have this argument with my husband on a regular basis.

Me: "I got a $5 store coupon in my email, but I don't know what to get because everything is so overpriced there."

Him: "Stop complaining that free stuff is too expensive."

He doesn't understand that it's the principle. Apples shouldn't be $2 per pound even if they are free.

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« Reply #1584 on: July 13, 2015, 07:51:55 PM »
I have a $5 coupon to a local grocery store that expires in 2 weeks. I've been sitting on it for a month because I can't come up with $5 worth of stuff that's a good price all at once. I have this argument with my husband on a regular basis.

Me: "I got a $5 store coupon in my email, but I don't know what to get because everything is so overpriced there."

Him: "Stop complaining that free stuff is too expensive."

He doesn't understand that it's the principle. Apples shouldn't be $2 per pound even if they are free.

I still have Amazon gift cards I got last Christmas for this same reason!

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« Reply #1585 on: July 13, 2015, 08:56:29 PM »
I have a $5 coupon to a local grocery store that expires in 2 weeks. I've been sitting on it for a month because I can't come up with $5 worth of stuff that's a good price all at once. I have this argument with my husband on a regular basis.

Me: "I got a $5 store coupon in my email, but I don't know what to get because everything is so overpriced there."

Him: "Stop complaining that free stuff is too expensive."

He doesn't understand that it's the principle. Apples shouldn't be $2 per pound even if they are free.

What? If this is a $5 coupon for a $5 purchase, just use it no matter what the cost of anything is, so long as you will use/consume the item and you can get your total purchase amount to be close to $5.
If you want to throw away $5 (in opportunity cost) because you think apples shouldn't be priced at $2/lb, then sure I guess...seems stupid to me.

Now if it's a $5 coupon for a >$5 purchase, then I can understand your mentality, to the extent that the markup on the items is greater than the discount given by the coupon.
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« Reply #1586 on: July 14, 2015, 04:58:58 AM »
Oh, I'm going to use it, not throw it away - as long as I hit at least $5, I can use it. I wanted to keep it for a good sale  on something I could stock up on though, not just blow it on something stupid that I could get for half the price some other time and place.

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« Reply #1587 on: July 14, 2015, 06:23:23 AM »
Tax-free weekend coming up in  few weeks, but I cannot think of anything I want to buy. Oh well, can't take advantage of this.

I've never thought tax-free weekend is worth it.  Even when I had stuff to buy, I'd rather pay the taxes than fight the crowds.  The state is going to get them out of me somehow.


It's not really a "problem" but my husband and I went out to dinner this weekend.  We were trying to remember the last time we did, and it was last October.

"Tax free day" is just a gift to retailers. They know that more people will be coming out to shop and will be buying those particular items, so they either just 1) increase the price of those items by the amount of the tax, 2) increase the price of other items to capture that extra money from you, or 3) both.

When I worked retail we never raised our prices for tax-free weekend. In fact, we often discounted the "luxury  goods" (things that were not tax free) by at least 8.25% so that they would be "like tax free". (And advertised "we will pay the tax!".

I haven't seen what you are describing at all.  Most retailers have sales on those weekends, because they are fighting for the back to school crowd. And holy crap is it a crowd.


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« Reply #1588 on: July 14, 2015, 06:33:12 AM »
Tax-free weekend coming up in  few weeks, but I cannot think of anything I want to buy. Oh well, can't take advantage of this.

I've never thought tax-free weekend is worth it.  Even when I had stuff to buy, I'd rather pay the taxes than fight the crowds.  The state is going to get them out of me somehow.


It's not really a "problem" but my husband and I went out to dinner this weekend.  We were trying to remember the last time we did, and it was last October.

"Tax free day" is just a gift to retailers. They know that more people will be coming out to shop and will be buying those particular items, so they either just 1) increase the price of those items by the amount of the tax, 2) increase the price of other items to capture that extra money from you, or 3) both.

When I worked retail we never raised our prices for tax-free weekend. In fact, we often discounted the "luxury  goods" (things that were not tax free) by at least 8.25% so that they would be "like tax free". (And advertised "we will pay the tax!".

I haven't seen what you are describing at all.  Most retailers have sales on those weekends, because they are fighting for the back to school crowd. And holy crap is it a crowd.

I worked retail at a big box discount store, and we would also run "bulk discounts" during these weekends--BOGO sales and whatnot, which were actually our worst deals, because you only got the deep discounts (50%) if you bought a lot. (Often more than you needed!) But during B2S, it's all about how much you can get for how cheap...

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« Reply #1589 on: July 14, 2015, 08:09:47 AM »
Oh, I'm going to use it, not throw it away - as long as I hit at least $5, I can use it. I wanted to keep it for a good sale  on something I could stock up on though, not just blow it on something stupid that I could get for half the price some other time and place.

But you're not going to get anything cheaper than free, no matter what the sticker price is. Let's say you buy apples, and they're $2/lb (which, by the way, is not a bad price in my neck of the woods). And let's say that they're enormous apples, 1lb/each, so you're definitely going to go over $5.

You buy 3 enormous apples that ring up at $6. You pay one coupon plus $1.

What if you don't use the coupon? Well, could you ever get the same amount of apples for less than $1 anywhere else? If yes, and if it's the same situation for everything that store sells (that is, everything they sell is more than $5 more expensive than the competition), then throw the coupon away. But that seems unlikely.

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« Reply #1590 on: July 14, 2015, 08:29:57 AM »
I have a $5 coupon to a local grocery store that expires in 2 weeks. I've been sitting on it for a month because I can't come up with $5 worth of stuff that's a good price all at once. I have this argument with my husband on a regular basis.

Me: "I got a $5 store coupon in my email, but I don't know what to get because everything is so overpriced there."

Him: "Stop complaining that free stuff is too expensive."

He doesn't understand that it's the principle. Apples shouldn't be $2 per pound even if they are free.

I still have Amazon gift cards I got last Christmas for this same reason!
Why not sell them then?  They are rarely discounted because most people can use them.

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« Reply #1591 on: July 14, 2015, 09:10:21 AM »
Mustachian problem:
I went to a mustachian meetup on Saturday downtown and since I live in the suburbs, the bus only comes once an hour. So instead of taking the 10 dollar taxi, I waited 45 minutes for the bus from the metro when I was going home.

I went to a mustachian meetup on Sunday downtown and since I live in the suburbs, the train only comes every 2 hours. So I got there 2 hours early, ate the lunch I'd brought from home, and read my book.

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« Reply #1592 on: July 14, 2015, 09:23:07 AM »
Folks, it's mustachian people "problems." JakeJake, I'm totally with you on objecting to something on principle.

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« Reply #1593 on: July 14, 2015, 11:07:19 AM »
I have a $5 coupon to a local grocery store that expires in 2 weeks. I've been sitting on it for a month because I can't come up with $5 worth of stuff that's a good price all at once. I have this argument with my husband on a regular basis.

Me: "I got a $5 store coupon in my email, but I don't know what to get because everything is so overpriced there."

Him: "Stop complaining that free stuff is too expensive."

He doesn't understand that it's the principle. Apples shouldn't be $2 per pound even if they are free.

I still have Amazon gift cards I got last Christmas for this same reason!
Why not sell them then?  They are rarely discounted because most people can use them.

I've already redeemed them to my account. And I am using them, just slowly. I started with a bit over $400 and now I'm down to maybe $150. I think I've spent $0 of my own money on Amazon this year. I'll probably go through it all before next Christmas.

Of course, I'm only buying things I would buy anyway.

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« Reply #1594 on: July 14, 2015, 12:19:57 PM »
Tax-free weekend coming up in  few weeks, but I cannot think of anything I want to buy. Oh well, can't take advantage of this.

I've never thought tax-free weekend is worth it.  Even when I had stuff to buy, I'd rather pay the taxes than fight the crowds.  The state is going to get them out of me somehow.


It's not really a "problem" but my husband and I went out to dinner this weekend.  We were trying to remember the last time we did, and it was last October.

Typically stores tend to have some of their best sales on tax free weekend to draw in more customers. When I worked in retail, the store calmed down a lot by 3pm or so. Though I'm in the same boat... no reason to go shopping since there's nothing I need.
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« Reply #1595 on: July 14, 2015, 02:25:27 PM »
I won't be buying anything on Amazon Prime Day because we let our Prime membership lapse in December. I'm now spending way less $$$ on Amazon ... go figure!

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« Reply #1596 on: July 14, 2015, 02:44:56 PM »
I have a $5 coupon to a local grocery store that expires in 2 weeks. I've been sitting on it for a month because I can't come up with $5 worth of stuff that's a good price all at once. I have this argument with my husband on a regular basis.

Me: "I got a $5 store coupon in my email, but I don't know what to get because everything is so overpriced there."

Him: "Stop complaining that free stuff is too expensive."

He doesn't understand that it's the principle. Apples shouldn't be $2 per pound even if they are free.

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« Reply #1597 on: July 15, 2015, 06:30:28 AM »
Tax-free weekend coming up in  few weeks, but I cannot think of anything I want to buy. Oh well, can't take advantage of this.

I've never thought tax-free weekend is worth it.  Even when I had stuff to buy, I'd rather pay the taxes than fight the crowds.  The state is going to get them out of me somehow.


It's not really a "problem" but my husband and I went out to dinner this weekend.  We were trying to remember the last time we did, and it was last October.

Typically stores tend to have some of their best sales on tax free weekend to draw in more customers. When I worked in retail, the store calmed down a lot by 3pm or so. Though I'm in the same boat... no reason to go shopping since there's nothing I need.

I always go during tax free weekend.  The undershirts I like come in a "5+2" pack, plus a usual sale on them.  So I get 7 shirts for the price of 3-4.  I don't shop, just stop by, grab some shirts, check out at the jewelry counter, leave.

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« Reply #1598 on: July 15, 2015, 06:33:43 AM »
Being 21 and always being the one to suggest we DON'T go the bar and drink. I usually volunteer to even cook dinner for the friends group.
Usually I win out when I start quoting liquor prices, but it's like this almost EVERY weekend.

Ah... to be 43, where the stigma to get hammered every day possible is not nearly as strong.
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« Reply #1599 on: July 15, 2015, 07:27:13 AM »
Being 21 and always being the one to suggest we DON'T go the bar and drink. I usually volunteer to even cook dinner for the friends group.
Usually I win out when I start quoting liquor prices, but it's like this almost EVERY weekend.

Ah... to be 43, where the stigma to get hammered every day possible is not nearly as strong.

This ties in to another recent post of having "antimustachian" friends. My friend group LOVES to go out to bars all day and night on the weekends. I used to participate often, but realized that it didn't make me any happier. I've since moved out to the suburbs and still see them plenty, just not over $12 beers.