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Moving (back) to India for retirement
« on: December 08, 2024, 05:28:32 AM »
I'm starting to plan a retirement in India.

Background
-- Mid 50s married no kids
-- Still working and planning to retire in 5-10 years. Will be at least 62+
-- Naturalized US citizens and originally from India
-- Have lived in the US for most of our lives (past 30+ years)
-- Have Overseas Citizen of India status (can work/live there without need for visas)
-- No close family in US and mostly all in India
-- Currently majority of retirement investments in 401k with some in Roth IRA
-- No assets in India currently

While searching this forum, I came across a few older threads that I list below.

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/retire-in-india-$200-000-own-residence-is-all-what-you-need-!!!/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/ask-a-mustachian/anyone-retired-to-india/
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/case-studies/go-back-to-india-or-work-longer-to-fire-here/

These discussions are 5-10 years old. Things have changed in India, both better and worse. I would love to hear about any experiences that people have had recently with moving to India.  I go back to visit my family and friends in India fairly frequently and there are some very annoying quality of life issues such as traffic/pollution/bureaucracy etc. Any thoughts and advice is highly appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2024, 08:46:32 AM »
Hi rpr.

When I was planning for retirement, I did think of going back to India.After checking out the pros/cons,   I decided against it for several reasons
  • My sons are born in the US. Any possible grand children would be here too
  • I have lived the majority of my adult life in the US and I think more like an American than an Indian.
  • I cannot handle the traffic/driving in the big cities (Mumbai/Bengaluru). But smaller cities (e.g. Mysuru) are still wonderful.
  • All my friends and family have moved on. They have their own circles. They make time for us when we visit every couple of years, but it would be different if we lived there full time
  • Finding a new friend circle would be hard. I thought of joining the golf club in Mysuru, but it looks like the members just play cards and drink.
  • My siblings are in the US and I have a few cousins here. So, I am not lacking for family in the US

I go back every year or two to visit my parents. I know how much my parents missed us. I'm not sure that I want that with my kids (and any possible grand kids). This may have been the biggest reason.
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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2024, 10:04:41 AM »
Hi  @CowboyAndIndian

Good to see your response. All very valid reasons. 

Like you, I too have lived the majority of my life in the US. It will definitely be a shock to go back. As long as we are working here in the US, there is lots of engagement. Once we retire, it will be a challenge to deal with some of the loneliness.

Unlike you situation, most of my family is still in India. A few cousins here in the US but no close family. And many friends from back in the school and college days with whom I'm still engaged.

And similar to what our parents faced, their kids are starting to move away. Sometimes, this is to the US which can be a challenge for the parents. Since I don't have kids, it is hard for me to fully understand what they are going through.

I expect that we will do this via a trial run spending part of the year in India and part of it in the US and see how it goes.

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2024, 11:06:29 AM »
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I expect that we will do this via a trial run spending part of the year in India and part of it in the US and see how it goes.

Do this before you make a permanent decision.

Do you have any ideas of where you would likely move to?

I would suggest the following
  • Minimum 6 month trial period, more realistically a year before you make a decision
  • Have a set of criteria you would make your decisions with.What is important to you. What are the deal breakers.
  • How are you going to handle Medical/dental stuff?

My BIL always wanted to go back to live in Bengaluru, the town he grew up in. Bengaluru of the 1970's is  a completely different beast than the Bengaluru of today. He finally stayed 6 months there. Though he loved the family and friends interaction, he made the decision to come back to the US.

One of my friends did move back to Mysuru permanently. He is a big Carnatic music fan. There are always concerts and events in Mysuru. This is something he could not get enough of in the US.

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2024, 11:53:28 AM »
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I expect that we will do this via a trial run spending part of the year in India and part of it in the US and see how it goes.

Do this before you make a permanent decision.

Do you have any ideas of where you would likely move to?

I would suggest the following
  • Minimum 6 month trial period, more realistically a year before you make a decision
  • Have a set of criteria you would make your decisions with.What is important to you. What are the deal breakers.
  • How are you going to handle Medical/dental stuff?

My BIL always wanted to go back to live in Bengaluru, the town he grew up in. Bengaluru of the 1970's is  a completely different beast than the Bengaluru of today. He finally stayed 6 months there. Though he loved the family and friends interaction, he made the decision to come back to the US.

One of my friends did move back to Mysuru permanently. He is a big Carnatic music fan. There are always concerts and events in Mysuru. This is something he could not get enough of in the US.

That's very useful information.

It will likely be Bengaluru but spending parts of Nov thru Jan in Chennai (Carnatic Music festival). I've been to Mysuru a long time ago and loved it (back in the 1970s/1980s). :)  Indeed all of India has changed.

May I DM you?

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2024, 12:34:04 PM »
Sure. Please DM me.

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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2024, 06:05:09 PM »
Hi,

I came across MMM in 2014, saved up and my family semi-retired to India in 2018. it was a HORRIBLE experience ! I would not advise anyone to go unless you have a strong need and will ( though we did too, we came running back to the U.S in 2023). Hope your experience will be different.

we made 2 major mistakes
1. Went to India semi-retired. My spouse was still working and we depended on his salary partially. He managed to get a cushy central got job. Still the amount of stress / hirearchial headache is unimagianble for someone who is used to the U.S work culture. Private sector is out of question.
2. We moved all the investments from USA to India. So when we moved back in 2023, our investments were stuck in India ( they still are ). Selling real estate is not as easy ! bringing money back is not either ! You send money from US to India with a click of a button but vice versa takes a ton of paper work !
Even if you dont plan to move back to the US, moving alll the money to India is not advised. Either do it slowly as you understand the Indian Market or find a way to receive income in USD which will be hugely profitable.

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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2024, 07:40:17 PM »
I am very interested in following this thread. I'm not Indian, although I've been there and loved it (LOVED!). I'm in IT, which has many Indians in the U.S. Every last one of them to whom I've spoken has emphatically declared that they would never, EVER, willingly go back to live in India. As you might imagine, their respective caste had a direct correlation to the strength of their sentiment on the issue.

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2024, 02:23:12 AM »
Hi,

I came across MMM in 2014, saved up and my family semi-retired to India in 2018. it was a HORRIBLE experience ! I would not advise anyone to go unless you have a strong need and will ( though we did too, we came running back to the U.S in 2023). Hope your experience will be different.

we made 2 major mistakes
1. Went to India semi-retired. My spouse was still working and we depended on his salary partially. He managed to get a cushy central got job. Still the amount of stress / hirearchial headache is unimagianble for someone who is used to the U.S work culture. Private sector is out of question.
2. We moved all the investments from USA to India. So when we moved back in 2023, our investments were stuck in India ( they still are ). Selling real estate is not as easy ! bringing money back is not either ! You send money from US to India with a click of a button but vice versa takes a ton of paper work !
Even if you dont plan to move back to the US, moving alll the money to India is not advised. Either do it slowly as you understand the Indian Market or find a way to receive income in USD which will be hugely profitable.
Thanks @mountainquail01 for posting your recent experience. Sorry to hear that it was this rough. Had you not needed to work and left the money in the US, would you feel different about the return?

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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2024, 04:25:42 AM »
I am very interested in following this thread. I'm not Indian, although I've been there and loved it (LOVED!). I'm in IT, which has many Indians in the U.S. Every last one of them to whom I've spoken has emphatically declared that they would never, EVER, willingly go back to live in India. As you might imagine, their respective caste had a direct correlation to the strength of their sentiment on the issue.

@RetireOrDieTrying -- I too was strongly in the camp of "No return". But slowly as I age, I find that this has changed somewhat. I do love my life here in the US. Live in an active, bustling city with so much going on and I'm doing something that I enjoy and passionate about. Walk to work and back for exercise and relaxation. Plus the outdoors are never too far away.  And love all of the seasons and have even gotten used to the cold rain of winter.

At the same time, every trip back to visit family and friends in India makes me realize that I miss it as well. It's going to be very difficult to choose. But grateful for what I have.

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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2024, 09:19:56 AM »
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As you might imagine, their respective caste had a direct correlation to the strength of their sentiment on the issue.

Sorry, I do not think you know anything about this to comment about it.

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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2024, 09:48:47 AM »
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As you might imagine, their respective caste had a direct correlation to the strength of their sentiment on the issue.

Sorry, I do not think you know anything about this to comment about it.

I'm repeating their own statements. Perhaps you think THEY have the right to comment upon it?

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2024, 10:51:10 AM »
I don't know enough about India to comment knowledgably on specifics, but I do get the sense that you're romanticizing moving back the India.

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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2024, 11:53:26 AM »
Hi,

I came across MMM in 2014, saved up and my family semi-retired to India in 2018. it was a HORRIBLE experience ! I would not advise anyone to go unless you have a strong need and will ( though we did too, we came running back to the U.S in 2023). Hope your experience will be different.

we made 2 major mistakes
1. Went to India semi-retired. My spouse was still working and we depended on his salary partially. He managed to get a cushy central got job. Still the amount of stress / hirearchial headache is unimagianble for someone who is used to the U.S work culture. Private sector is out of question.
2. We moved all the investments from USA to India. So when we moved back in 2023, our investments were stuck in India ( they still are ). Selling real estate is not as easy ! bringing money back is not either ! You send money from US to India with a click of a button but vice versa takes a ton of paper work !
Even if you dont plan to move back to the US, moving alll the money to India is not advised. Either do it slowly as you understand the Indian Market or find a way to receive income in USD which will be hugely profitable.
Thanks @mountainquail01 for posting your recent experience. Sorry to hear that it was this rough. Had you not needed to work and left the money in the US, would you feel different about the return?

I dont think so. Being with family was a huge bonus but facing the reality was too much for me. Waking up every day to see misery, poverty and helplessness around me was tough. Seeing toddlers and young kids begging every time our car stops at the traffic signal, overcrowded trains/busses/roads, purchasing drinking water in plastic containers ( and many more).. started to bother me. I think it is because we become sensitive and forget how things work in India. Ignoring what's happening around us and getting accustomed to the life there again is unimaginably tough. By the time we finished 2 years, we felt depressed and miserable.

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2024, 05:33:45 PM »
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As you might imagine, their respective caste had a direct correlation to the strength of their sentiment on the issue.

Sorry, I do not think you know anything about this to comment about it.

I'm repeating their own statements. Perhaps you think THEY have the right to comment upon it?

Just because you overheard a couple of people talking about it and you read a couple of articles about it does not give you right to make blanket statements about India and its problems.

It's like an Indian seeing a couple of articles and commenting on school shootings or race relations in the US.

@rpr, sorry about this in your thread.

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2024, 07:11:26 PM »
I don't know enough about India to comment knowledgably on specifics, but I do get the sense that you're romanticizing moving back the India.
Very perceptive. There definitely is a huge dollop of that. I don't deny it.

It helps to listen to various opinions both for and against as it's a big decision.

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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2024, 09:28:11 AM »
I don't know enough about India to comment knowledgably on specifics, but I do get the sense that you're romanticizing moving back the India.
Very perceptive. There definitely is a huge dollop of that. I don't deny it.

It helps to listen to various opinions both for and against as it's a big decision.

It makes a lot of sense to stay a year in India before making a final decision. If there are unsurmountable differences after a year, you can come back. On the other hand a decision made after living there a year would be based on reality.

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2024, 05:06:04 PM »
I will join the chorus of negative views and add another severe pessimistic note to the return to India idea based on a recent experience with healthcare there. It was absolutely horrible!

My father was in the ICU at a reputable private hospital and needed a couple of stents urgently and was approved for one by CGHS but not for the second.  We were prepared to pay out of pocket for the 2nd stent for an agreed upon price and surgery was scheduled.

On the day of the surgery, when we went to pay the amount, the same admin office said they did not know how much we needed to pay and directed to us another office to get the correct price. The other office said unless we paid more than 3 times the original cost, they would not proceed with the surgery. When we said we had an agreed upon price, they said they did not know anything about that and they said we needed to go back to the first office to figure it out. Both these sides made us run around from one to the other for more than 5 hours without helping us in any way. The surgery was simply stalled during this time.

When we finally begged them out of frustration to just take the 3x amount and perform the surgery,  they next said they will not provide a bill or receipt for the payment. We were perplexed as to why and when we started getting agitated with this treatment, the admin officer threatened to call the police on us pointing to the CC cameras in the hallway (stating that we were threatening her with our raised frustrated voices). We were forced to apologize to her and were essentially reduced to begging her to please proceed with the surgery and that we agreed that we will not be given a receipt for our payment. Basically 7 hours after the original scheduled time, the surgery was performed.

This experience left such a bad taste in our mouths. We had come to expect that there would be a lot of bureaucracy in government hospitals and had previously heard that private hospitals in India were world-class and much different in how they treated their patients  but our experience has shown that expectation to be completely invalid. The private hospitals are just as corrupt, bureaucratic and unaccountable, and even to people like us NRIs who were ready to pay cash right away.

Hopefully this will be another data point for you in your quest in deciding whether you should move to India. We definitely cannot because we cannot handle this kind of experience as ordinary middle class people.
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2024, 06:33:47 PM »
Wow, @petmustache. That is horrible.

We had the exact opposite experience dealing with healthcare for my father who lives in India. This was many years ago. My father needed urgent surgery in the middle of the night. Then shifted to ICU (was in coma) for 2 weeks and then finally in a ward with care for another two weeks. The final price for all of this was about $15k. Amazing care at the hospital and an amazing surgeon and team.

In contrast, we had a major health issue when we first came to the US as students more than 30 years ago.  The mandatory  student health insurance would only cover a small portion. Back then, balance billing was the norm and the hospital billed us more than $10k for the emergency care. We tried to negotiate payments but the hospital just turned it over to collections. This then led to severe harassment from collection agencies and them sending a sheriff to our door. This was a scary experience. Being new non-immigrant students, we had no idea what our rights were. This was before the days of the internet and social media. No Google search, no social media. We felt all alone in this country with no one to turn to for help. We ended up putting it on high interest credit cards (>25%) and being in debt for many years. The $10K was equal to the student stipend we had. I was in a graduate PhD program and being a non-immigrant student, was not allowed to work and pay it off. We paid a little bit more than the monthly minimums and it took us many years to pay this off. Just thinking of those days makes me still mad at the healthcare industry in this country. That incident really messed up our lives.

A few months ago, I had some bloodwork in the US for a vitamin test which surprise, surprise is not covered. It will be $300 please, out of pocket. I recently went to India to visit family and had comprehensive blood work/urine analysis/vitamin levels. The technician comes to your home in the morning for the fasting glucose blood draw. Then comes back again an hour later for the post prandial. All of this lab work cost the equivalent of $75.

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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2024, 10:08:42 AM »
petmustache - they wanted a bribe.

rpr - you didn't get stuck in a situation where they wanted a bribe in India, but in the US got stuck in a broken system.

Those are two different problems, and while they can look similar they also can look very different.

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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2024, 02:04:59 PM »
Yeah, the bribery sytem in India is extremely difficult to deal with. Atleast in the USA,  any broken issue is broken consistently across the system as a whole so that you know beforehand exactly where you stand. There is no corruption at the individual level and this makes it very comfortable to deal with at our day to day level.

In India, each situation, each system participant, each day of the week is a completely different animal and you cannot guess how you will be screwed any particular day. In almost all my experiences, I have noted that one always needs to have close ties with some important government officials or high level officers to intercede on one's behalf to have things done. If one has no such connections, one is absolutely at the mercy of any despot who wants to display their power on that day. I have faced these issues at a number of government offices before and now I have seen it at private hospitals too so there is no escape!

That is why I prefer the US - here atleast I know where the issues are and that they are systemic and not at an individual level of corruption.
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2024, 07:55:22 AM »
@petmustache, I appreciate your viewpoint.

I think that a trial run for a year or two is likely the best way to have a good outcome. During this trial period, we are likely to have higher expenses since we will be maintaining two places but that gives us better options. 

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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2024, 11:09:31 AM »
PTF because this is a very interesting thread to me. I'm not Indian, so I won't comment on that, but I am also an immigrant in the US, and also thinking about going back when I retire.

I don't know enough about India to comment knowledgably on specifics, but I do get the sense that you're romanticizing moving back the India.
Very perceptive. There definitely is a huge dollop of that. I don't deny it.

It helps to listen to various opinions both for and against as it's a big decision.

This. Over time I've come to realize that whatever I end up doing, I will always miss *something* from the other side. Some things are better there, and some things are better here. So it's a question of choosing, and accepting that I will inevitably miss what I leave behind - either way.

I think going back home as a second expatriation. It will require re-adapting to a different culture and different circumstances than what I'm now used to (granted, the culture difference between the US and my home country is probably not as big as it is between the US and India, but the idea is the same). It won't be just coming home as if I'd never left.

I have to accept that I won't be coming back to the same country that I left 15 years ago. My country has changed. My friends and family have changed. I have changed, in a different way than they have. I'm also older.

And when I think about home, I think about what I feel when I'm there on vacation - without a care in the world. So I also romanticize it to some extent.

I think the key is to not make decisions that can't be reversed. Maybe go home, see how you like it - because you won't know unless you try. Keep your money in the US so that if you don't like it, you can come back. If you decide that you want to stay there, take the time to cut your ties. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

Good luck to you :)

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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2024, 12:15:06 PM »
@pasadenafr , very well said. I feel exactly the same. Thanks for your comments.

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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2024, 12:51:11 PM »
rpr, sent u a pm.
I moved back after living in many countries and am happy and healthy.

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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2024, 03:41:57 PM »
rpr, sent u a pm.
I moved back after living in many countries and am happy and healthy.
Thank you @namasteyall . That was a treat. I've replied via PM as well.

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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2025, 03:59:54 PM »
rpr, sent u a pm.
I moved back after living in many countries and am happy and healthy.
Thank you @namasteyall . That was a treat. I've replied via PM as well.

@rpr in case you decide to move to India, do keep this forum updated. It will be a learning experience.

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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2025, 09:45:08 AM »

@rpr in case you decide to move to India, do keep this forum updated. It will be a learning experience.
Will definitely update this thread. It is still a few years away. 

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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2025, 05:12:28 AM »
I'm an Indian immigrant as well and this is something most of us have in the back of our minds.

This has been an interesting read.  There are always going to be some pros and cons of staying in either countries, but having the flexibility to move around is the biggest advantage.

@rpr I'll be following this thread as well

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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2025, 06:03:06 AM »
I am not from India but am an Asian immigrant to Canada. When I first cane here, I loved my home country and always planned to return - until I met my husband and he convinced me to stay.

I have a giant family network in my home country and on a recent 2 month trip back (after 9 years of not returning for a visit due to various factors) - it really hit me that the embrace of a large, loving family is something I can never get here in Canada. It really is special. I also do still have a small friend network that I have maintained relationships with through the years.

But by the end of 2 months, I was homesick for Canada. I missed my very close friend network here. I also have two young adult children firmly established here.

More than anything, I was in culture shock. Which really surprised me. In past trips, my mother had always hosted my family, which insulated me a lot. This time, my mother had moved to Canada to live with me and she had stayed behind in Canada. So I was navigating life in my home country mostly independently, staying solo in an apartment.

At the end of it, I was more than ready to return to Canada where I knew how to handle every social/life situation. The giant tropical bugs were also really getting to me. The systemic political, corruption and petty crime issues were also very uncomfortable. I also recognized that since I had never lived as an adult there, I was clueless about basic life admin stuff like interacting with the govt, getting things repaired, etc.

I’ll stick to lengthy, regular visits during my FIREd life (heading back in a month). Most people (in both countries) were thinking I might move back and were surprised by my decisiveness in choosing to stay in Canada.

Also, one word of warning that few ever discuss. If you die in a foreign country with your assets in the US, your foreign heirs may have significant difficulties inheriting. Technically, it is allowed and should just require some level of paperwork.

But when my dual citizen husband died in Canada, it has been a very very lengthy journey for me to inherit his US-based IRA in Chase. A lot of extra paperwork was triggered when I submitted his Canadian death certificate. I talked with a lot of lawyers and did a ton of research after the bank insisted I had to provide a tax clearance certificate from the IRS (which requires an intense array of forms and 18-24 months to process). I finally found a lawyer with enough experience to insist that since he was a US citizen, the bank should not require that.

The bank wavered a bit when I tossed the lawyer’s name around. And I ended up finding a loophole that did the trick. I did have a lot of documents that needed to be notarized and I have travelled to the bank branch in the US maybe a half dozen or more times in the past year to deal with this. I am still wrangling with the bank 1.5 years later but at least the IRA is in my name now.

Maybe the answer is not to bank with Chase But be warned that if you don’t maintain a US residential address, very few banks will let you manage your investments. I am moving the US investments to RBC where I have to pay a dual licensed financial advisor a fee to manage the IRA. He  has continually reassured me my kids won’t have so much trouble inheriting. Still - my plan is to spend all this money before I die.


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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2025, 07:25:28 PM »
@FeelTheRain -- definitely. For now, it's very much in the planning/research stage.

@elaine amj -- thank you for posting your experience. I feel that it is very relevant even though it is not about India. But the experience is somewhat similar. I will probably end up trying something like this and start to spend extended periods in India.

There are definitely estate/inheritance issues that one needs to address. In our case, we don't have kids and expect what little we have to go to charity.


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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2025, 09:54:04 PM »
There’s a very good chance it will work out well for you. Especially with a strong family network in India and few ties in the US. Regardless, it doesn’t hurt to try. Even on a temporary basis to see how you like it.

A young Indian friend of mine got very sick with TB here in Canada - I think he was in and out of the hospital for a year or two. He told me his mother back in India fretted a lot and firmly believed he would have gotten better care back in India. I would expect that the private hospital network is good - I know that’s the case in Malaysia and my father’s medical care (for very major needs) has so far been excellent. Such a change to be able to text a doctor directly lol.


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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2025, 11:27:14 PM »
I also attest that US banks can be very difficult to use in other countries, as soon as you tell them you have a foreign address. Investment companies such as Vanguard can be too.

My experience has only been in South America, but I and others each experienced such difficulties. In my case, I contacted two banks plus Vanguard in advance. All assured me that I would no problems due to traveling to another country. I stayed for a year, resulting in problems such as:

1. Two factor identification didn't work because the bank could not transmit text abroad, therefore I could not receive confirmation codes.
2. Vanguard verified me by voice, but asked if I had a new address. After I gave it, the representative stated that my account would be frozen for two weeks. I was totally unable to make changes, implement investment decisions or access any of my funds.
3. Four times I reached a bank customer service rep to replace a credit card. Four times they took my new address and promised it would be sent by mail. Four times the card never came. After I returned to the US and was able to access my online account, I was clearly able to see that the address had been mistyped, but also was able to confirm that the address configuration in the bank's web interface did not allow the address to record properly even if they had typed it right.

There are said to be solutions that I didn't bother using, such as VPN to present a US profile when seeking web access, but I highly support the advice to retain a valid US address to use in your financial and banking accounts.

I apologize for not having been to India, but share these experiences because they appear to be common for expats traveling or moving from US to other countries. Best of luck in your decisions, and whatever course you take.

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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2025, 08:06:44 AM »
If you want to keep a US bank account or a trading account, you need to be able to handle two factor authentication. Lots of US banking and investment companies require an US number.

I would create a Google voice number in advance before you go.

In my case, I was not moving aboard but was trying to save the cost of $30/mo for a landline I had been using for 20+ years and did not want to lose the number.   I converted the home landline number to a Google voice number (convoluted procedure, I can walk you thru if anyone is interested). Used a "Obihai OBi200" device, an IP phone with that Google voice number. There is a one time cost of $60 for the device and no recurring costs. I do pay $10/year for 911 address database (as this a home phone number), but this is not needed if you are moving abroad. You could move this device anywhere with an internet connection and maintain your US number. I have been using this for since 2018 and have not had any issues with it.

A friend who moved out of the US uses an Ooma device, another IP based phone, that could be another choice. I believe he has the older versions which worked all around the world
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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2025, 02:22:04 PM »
If you want to keep a US bank account or a trading account, you need to be able to handle two factor authentication. Lots of US banking and investment companies require an US number.

I would create a Google voice number in advance before you go.

In my case, I was not moving aboard but was trying to save the cost of $30/mo for a landline I had been using for 20+ years and did not want to lose the number.   I converted the home landline number to a Google voice number (convoluted procedure, I can walk you thru if anyone is interested). Used a "Obihai OBi200" device, an IP phone with that Google voice number. There is a one time cost of $60 for the device and no recurring costs. I do pay $10/year for 911 address database (as this a home phone number), but this is not needed if you are moving abroad. You could move this device anywhere with an internet connection and maintain your US number. I have been using this for since 2018 and have not had any issues with it.

A friend who moved out of the US uses an Ooma device, another IP based phone, that could be another choice. I believe he has the older versions which worked all around the world

Thanks, @CowboyAndIndian!

Also, glad you have that part already sorted out.

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Re: Moving (back) to India for retirement
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2025, 04:08:09 PM »

Thanks, @CowboyAndIndian!

Also, glad you have that part already sorted out.

I was just being frugal in the MMM tradition. But I will never leave the US as my kids (and future grand kids) will be here.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!