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Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« on: January 06, 2016, 02:09:21 PM »
I just read a Marketwatch article on Yahoo Finance which stated most Americans are just one paycheck away from being on the street.  It went one to state 63% don't have the savings to cover a 500 dollar car repair.  I then read another article which stated that 2015 car sales will be a record.  OMG, are Americans really that financially illiterate or are they so naive to think that a new car will make them THAT happy?     

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 02:20:26 PM »
Don't think its just Americans Gunny - a lot of Aussies live by the seat of their pants from pay cheque to pay cheque.    I've got one friend who's household income would be in excess of A$180,000 and yet they wouldn't have two months worth of their living expenses in savings. 

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 02:24:56 PM »
This is not limited to the poor or lower middle class either.  I know a lot of highly-paid professionals who live by the seat of their pants.  I've heard that doctors are notorious for this - they feel they have to have the 'doctor' lifestyle, so they drive the Mercedes, take a big vacation every year, the kids are in private school and they live in an expensive home, necessitating living paycheck to paycheck. 

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 02:54:42 PM »
This isnt really all that new but people for sure have short memories. I can see it already if gas prices stay low everyone (and its already happening) will start buying big trucks and SUV's then fuel will rise and auto-manufacturers as well as consumers will be in trouble again. While its nice to have low prices there needs to be some stabilization in price to Manufacturers know what to make long term and the consumer can plan accordingly. Being against big government this is one area I think the government should get involved.

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2016, 04:50:32 PM »
This is not limited to the poor or lower middle class either.  I know a lot of highly-paid professionals who live by the seat of their pants.  I've heard that doctors are notorious for this - they feel they have to have the 'doctor' lifestyle, so they drive the Mercedes, take a big vacation every year, the kids are in private school and they live in an expensive home, necessitating living paycheck to paycheck.

I'm friends with many pharmacists and doctors, and I see this in action.  The one that I'm closest friends with, and why I know so many, is drowning in student loan debt.  She would like to buy a house but can't because she lacks a down payment, but she was able to finance a BMW SUV and just got back from Thailand.

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2016, 05:07:09 PM »
That's a clickbait headline, since "one paycheck from the street" implies that most people have no access to credit.  In reality, the lowest income Americans (and developed nations in general) get free food, free housing, free cell phone, and loads more free stuff so they are never one paycheck from the street.  The people with higher income than that have access to credit, and can easily tap credit cards, loans, home equity, and so on to cover unplanned expenses.

I'm not saying it's right, but the headline is clickbait that is flat out false.  Also, I know from having had poor family members, when they suddenly have unexpected expenses, they just pick and choose what bills to pay.  They know that the car can be easily repo'd, but a late rent payment will "only" have a $50 penalty, the city allows up to 3 months late payments on utilities before cutting them off, and they qualified for special assistance to keep their electricity turned on even without paying.  Multiple food banks in the area provide food even without having to do SNAP or anything like that.  No forms, just pick up a prepared survival box from the food bank with $75-100 in groceries in it.

The world would still be a better place if people didn't run finances in such a way, but since they do, it's worth at least being honest about how easily most people in the developed world easily cope with unexpected expenses, and almost never does it mean "Well, I guess I'm homeless now because of $500."

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2016, 06:09:34 PM »
You are right about the "click bait" headline, but the my point in mentioning the two articles was that is apparent that Americans are continuing to live above their means, not saving, and financing life style. 

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2016, 06:23:47 PM »
Sadly, it's the same (if not worse) here in Canada too.

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2016, 06:31:09 PM »
I know a lot of highly-paid professionals who live by the seat of their pants.  I've heard that doctors are notorious for this

Erroneously, unless getting £7,000 over the average UK wage makes me 'highly' paid...

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2016, 08:24:56 PM »
This isnt really all that new but people for sure have short memories. I can see it already if gas prices stay low everyone (and its already happening) will start buying big trucks and SUV's then fuel will rise and auto-manufacturers as well as consumers will be in trouble again. While its nice to have low prices there needs to be some stabilization in price to Manufacturers know what to make long term and the consumer can plan accordingly. Being against big government this is one area I think the government should get involved.
And, used Prius prices are already way down from just a few months ago, and lots more for sale. I am keeping my eyes open for a good bargain there.

Are you suggesting the government set a floor price on gasoline? I understand your logic, but trying to imagine all the downstream unexpected consequences gets dizzying.

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2016, 10:51:22 PM »
This isnt really all that new but people for sure have short memories. I can see it already if gas prices stay low everyone (and its already happening) will start buying big trucks and SUV's then fuel will rise and auto-manufacturers as well as consumers will be in trouble again. While its nice to have low prices there needs to be some stabilization in price to Manufacturers know what to make long term and the consumer can plan accordingly. Being against big government this is one area I think the government should get involved.
And, used Prius prices are already way down from just a few months ago, and lots more for sale. I am keeping my eyes open for a good bargain there.

Are you suggesting the government set a floor price on gasoline? I understand your logic, but trying to imagine all the downstream unexpected consequences gets dizzying.

Sure it's unlikely to happen in the USA but it certainly is possible to do.

For example here in the UK petrol (ie gasoline) has just dropped to around £1 per litre for the first time in 6 years which makes the maths easy. Of this £1:

- 20% so £0.20 is vat - basically sales tax but built into the sticker price
- £0.5795 is fuel duty paid to the government - this is set at a flat rate so doesn't change with price of oil

- Leaving only £0.22 or less than 1/4 the sticker price as the actual cost of fuel, including retailer's markup, oil price, refining & distribution.

Because the fuel duty is a fixed rate it effectively acts as a floor to fuel prices, and means that the volatility of price to movement in oil prices is much lower than it otherwise would be.

Before you freak out at the cost - and by my back of the envelope calculations £1 a litre is about USD 5.8 per US gallon - this is part of the reason we generally have far more fuel efficient cars as the market for huge gas guzzling trucks is pretty small as a consequence. It also incentivises cleaner technology like hybrids, electric cars and public transport - something many on here would surely support?
 

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2016, 07:21:54 AM »
There is a real need for liquidity to cover unexpected expenses.      We're working on that now.   We were actually investing too much of our savings and had to resort to the credit card for an unexpected car repair.     We had no trouble paying off the debt quickly, but if we'd had the cash on hand we wouldn't have needed the card at all.    Even when your living costs are well below income there is still a need for cash on hand.   

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2016, 08:58:01 AM »
I know a lot of highly-paid professionals who live by the seat of their pants.  I've heard that doctors are notorious for this

Erroneously, unless getting £7,000 over the average UK wage makes me 'highly' paid...

I don't live in the UK - I was writing from the perspective of someone living in the U.S.

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2016, 09:21:07 AM »
That's a clickbait headline, since "one paycheck from the street" implies that most people have no access to credit. 

Looks to me like the headline is even more of a clickbait (or just terrible interpretation of the results) than you say.  I've seen this reported the way OP lists it and also as "Most Americans Couldn't Deal With a $500 Emergency".  The actual survey asked people, "How would you deal with a $500 emergency?"  Since only 37% said, "Pay with savings,"  they report the 63% being close to being on the street or not being able to deal with the expense.  But some of those 63% said "Reduce other expenses" or "Put it on a credit card."  I have plenty of savings, but when those minor emergencies come up, I definitely try to reduce non-essential costs to avoid using savings and I almost always put it on a card first so that I have until the next billing date to figure out the best way to meet the expense.  So I would definitely give one of the answers that their 63% said even though I have plenty of savings.

Of course, the overall point that most people are in terrible financial shape is true, but probably not for the reasons in the article. 

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2016, 09:26:32 AM »
This isnt really all that new but people for sure have short memories. I can see it already if gas prices stay low everyone (and its already happening) will start buying big trucks and SUV's then fuel will rise and auto-manufacturers as well as consumers will be in trouble again. While its nice to have low prices there needs to be some stabilization in price to Manufacturers know what to make long term and the consumer can plan accordingly. Being against big government this is one area I think the government should get involved.
And, used Prius prices are already way down from just a few months ago, and lots more for sale. I am keeping my eyes open for a good bargain there.

Are you suggesting the government set a floor price on gasoline? I understand your logic, but trying to imagine all the downstream unexpected consequences gets dizzying.
I want to pick up a first generation Honda Insight...but I really don't need another car.

But I really want one. And they should be getting really, really cheap now.

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2016, 10:00:29 AM »
Most people are idiots when it comes to budgeting money, this isn't a shock.

 

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2016, 10:21:22 AM »
When deciding between a prius and an insight I found that there were a lot more reliability concerns about the Insights battery.  Something you should look into.


I want to pick up a first generation Honda Insight...but I really don't need another car.

But I really want one. And they should be getting really, really cheap now.

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2016, 10:48:06 AM »
I just read a Marketwatch article on Yahoo Finance which stated most Americans are just one paycheck away from being on the street.  It went one to state 63% don't have the savings to cover a 500 dollar car repair.  I then read another article which stated that 2015 car sales will be a record.  OMG, are Americans really that financially illiterate or are they so naive to think that a new car will make them THAT happy?   

You'd be surprised at how people treat themselves and their money. My husband and I work retail jobs that, as you can imagine, pay very little but there's not much else available. Though we make little, we are able to live within our means quite easily.

I know many coworkers who seriously buy games or a new phone, then complain about having no money until next paycheck. These aren't teenagers I'm talking about either. These are adults.

I have had a couple of them ask how we could afford goibg out so much on our dates, buying groceries, and still paying bills and rent. We told them we just budget and stick to it as best we can (we eff up sometimes :/). Also our going out is usually like...just taking walks along nature paths or something, maybe just walking around somewhere interesting. We don't get the newest phones or games, etc. Because we know we can't actually afford it, nor is it truly essential. I'm not trying to rag on people who do buy the coolest stuff, just saying we aren't interested, and choose not to.

One of them just went "Huh. Ok." And the other just said ," See I couldn't do that. I like having the newer stuff".

I suppose it is a combination of budgeting and priorities.
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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2016, 12:18:58 PM »
It's just click bait.

I have enough to pay cash for a $500 emergency, but unless the business has a cash discount, I'm going to put it on a credit card with 2% cash back. I don't pay banks to use their services, they pay me. ;)

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2016, 04:57:08 PM »
Looks to me like the headline is even more of a clickbait (or just terrible interpretation of the results) than you say.  I've seen this reported the way OP lists it and also as "Most Americans Couldn't Deal With a $500 Emergency".  The actual survey asked people, "How would you deal with a $500 emergency?"  Since only 37% said, "Pay with savings,"  they report the 63% being close to being on the street or not being able to deal with the expense.  But some of those 63% said "Reduce other expenses" or "Put it on a credit card."  I have plenty of savings, but when those minor emergencies come up, I definitely try to reduce non-essential costs to avoid using savings and I almost always put it on a card first so that I have until the next billing date to figure out the best way to meet the expense.  So I would definitely give one of the answers that their 63% said even though I have plenty of savings.

Of course, the overall point that most people are in terrible financial shape is true, but probably not for the reasons in the article.

Agreed. If I had a $500 emergency repair, I would put it on a credit card even though I could pay it off immediately. Gotta take advantage of the cash back rewards from my credit card. Makes things cheaper than buying with cash.

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2016, 07:37:52 PM »
   These articles are a little misleading, IMHO

   How many places actually require cash nowadays?  25 years ago after an auto accident my insurance company sent me to an auto body shop that stared blankly when I tried to pay the $500 with a credit card. I had to walk back to my bank to get the cash to pay him. I keep cash at home in case that or a hurricane disrupts ATMs. Haven't had to use it but still.

      Not everything is the fault of the little guy. But a lot of people need to learn to pay yourself first (or at least right after Uncle Sam).

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2016, 07:38:02 PM »
I just read a Marketwatch article on Yahoo Finance which stated most Americans are just one paycheck away from being on the street.  It went one to state 63% don't have the savings to cover a 500 dollar car repair.  I then read another article which stated that 2015 car sales will be a record.  OMG, are Americans really that financially illiterate or are they so naive to think that a new car will make them THAT happy?   

You'd be surprised at how people treat themselves and their money. My husband and I work retail jobs that, as you can imagine, pay very little but there's not much else available. Though we make little, we are able to live within our means quite easily.

I know many coworkers who seriously buy games or a new phone, then complain about having no money until next paycheck. These aren't teenagers I'm talking about either. These are adults.

I have had a couple of them ask how we could afford goibg out so much on our dates, buying groceries, and still paying bills and rent. We told them we just budget and stick to it as best we can (we eff up sometimes :/). Also our going out is usually like...just taking walks along nature paths or something, maybe just walking around somewhere interesting. We don't get the newest phones or games, etc. Because we know we can't actually afford it, nor is it truly essential. I'm not trying to rag on people who do buy the coolest stuff, just saying we aren't interested, and choose not to.

One of them just went "Huh. Ok." And the other just said ," See I couldn't do that. I like having the newer stuff".

I suppose it is a combination of budgeting and priorities.
I woke up so posting before back to sleep and I can manage my part time job with little sleep since did so good result on Thursday it affects Friday.

I am not an expert on console or Ipad games, but if talking about PC games there are fairly good FREE pc games:
http://www.pcgamesn.com/100-best-free-pc-games
Personally I played with one of my best real life friends Neverwinter MMO... Neverwinter MMO is an Action based(hack/slash mostly) fantasy MMO with Dungeons Dragons 4th edition World license and famous author R.A. Salvatore supports that game at least more or less with lore etc.

However be warned it is both time sink and buy to win game.
That said in theory it is possible for free earn stuff. For example as hardcore player I had no problems whatsover to get best fastest mount for free without paying any euro or dollars(and what is good that then every character can use that mount when they reach a certain level).

Technically Neverwinter Nights MMO is a masterpiece IF your graphiccard suports direct X11. It is even playable with Intel 4000 graphiccard though not at max settings.

Graphics? Well not even top of the class but if compared to World of Warcraft graphics more realistic and less cartoonlike specially the city Neverwinter.

You can even create your own adventures in Neverwinter with Foundry.

My vote for Neverwinter MMO(Massive Multiplayer Online game) is 8/10 very good, but please keep it in mind huge time sink and that is why I don't play it anymore. However for people that are retired and on a budget and have lots of time to play could give it a try.

As for other free games please look the article and choose what you want. Personally lately I have not played any computer game for almost a year and if gaming I play board games and Magic The Gathering card strategy games with friends.

I might go into more gaming, but I have my hands full of being Team Leader(part time job) and landlord and an entreprenur course(though not sure I will ever become an entreprenur due to risk) and then I play card game  Magic The Gathering etc.
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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2016, 06:02:52 PM »
I read a Pew research article that said the number was 9 days most people could last without a pay check.

Seriously scary!

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2016, 07:27:25 PM »
This is not limited to the poor or lower middle class either.  I know a lot of highly-paid professionals who live by the seat of their pants.  I've heard that doctors are notorious for this - they feel they have to have the 'doctor' lifestyle, so they drive the Mercedes, take a big vacation every year, the kids are in private school and they live in an expensive home, necessitating living paycheck to paycheck.


 Most doctors actually can afford all those things and have a retirement fund, unless they are in a big city where salaries are lower and cost of living is higher. All the ones I know (including my family) live that way and are set to retire in their mid 60s. Whether that's a good idea is another story.
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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2016, 01:08:19 PM »
This isnt really all that new but people for sure have short memories. I can see it already if gas prices stay low everyone (and its already happening) will start buying big trucks and SUV's then fuel will rise and auto-manufacturers as well as consumers will be in trouble again.

I'd like to share something.  In 2000, the Ford Explorer was the #1 selling SUV.  Today is is the Honda CR-V.  16mpg versus 29mpg.  People are rushing to buy "SUV's" again, but the definition of an SUV has changed dramatically.  A law called CAFE will legally require gas mileage to continue to improve even more over the next decade too, regardless of gas prices.

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2016, 02:27:33 PM »
This isnt really all that new but people for sure have short memories. I can see it already if gas prices stay low everyone (and its already happening) will start buying big trucks and SUV's then fuel will rise and auto-manufacturers as well as consumers will be in trouble again.

I'd like to share something.  In 2000, the Ford Explorer was the #1 selling SUV.  Today is is the Honda CR-V.  16mpg versus 29mpg.  People are rushing to buy "SUV's" again, but the definition of an SUV has changed dramatically.  A law called CAFE will legally require gas mileage to continue to improve even more over the next decade too, regardless of gas prices.

Very true, today's vehicles are remarkably improved in the area of.... well everything.... but mainly fuel economy. Take a look at the Chevy Corvette for instance... a 6.2L big V8, but it gets 31MPG...

Crazy.

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*That being said, pickup trucks don't seem to have improved that much...*

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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2016, 04:06:12 PM »
This isnt really all that new but people for sure have short memories. I can see it already if gas prices stay low everyone (and its already happening) will start buying big trucks and SUV's then fuel will rise and auto-manufacturers as well as consumers will be in trouble again.

I'd like to share something.  In 2000, the Ford Explorer was the #1 selling SUV.  Today is is the Honda CR-V.  16mpg versus 29mpg.  People are rushing to buy "SUV's" again, but the definition of an SUV has changed dramatically.  A law called CAFE will legally require gas mileage to continue to improve even more over the next decade too, regardless of gas prices.

Very true, today's vehicles are remarkably improved in the area of.... well everything.... but mainly fuel economy. Take a look at the Chevy Corvette for instance... a 6.2L big V8, but it gets 31MPG...

Crazy.

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*That being said, pickup trucks don't seem to have improved that much...*

Maybe because we use the terrible MPG metric rather than consumption per mile. Advances in relatively low mileage vehicles have a significantly higher return than advances in high mileage vehicles.

Example
Pickup goes from 12mpg to 16mpg over 100,000 miles.
1: 8333 gallons
2: 6250 gallons   Saving 2083 gallons

Prius 40mpg to 60mpg over 100,000 miles
1: 2500
2: 1667  Saving 833 gallons

Now in absolute terms the pickup still uses far more gas, but the relative savings of improving low mileage vehicles is far greater than improving already efficient vehicles. The prius increased by 20MPG!, but the 4MPG increase in the pickup has far greater effect.




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Re: Most Americans just one paycheck away from being on the street
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2016, 09:55:24 PM »
Very true, today's vehicles are remarkably improved in the area of.... well everything.... but mainly fuel economy. Take a look at the Chevy Corvette for instance... a 6.2L big V8, but it gets 31MPG...

Crazy.

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*That being said, pickup trucks don't seem to have improved that much...*

Eh, Corvettes have been able to get 30MPG highway since 1997 if you bought one with a man pedal. ;)

Pickups have improved a lot in the last 8 years. The biggest gain was with the move to 5 and 6 speed automatic transmissions. My last work truck was a 2007 Chevy 2500 4x4 and it got 10MPG on the highway. The current 2011 Ford F350 4x4 gets 12MPG.

Still low, but it's a 20% increase. Huge savings over the life of the truck (200-300k miles).